Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 July 25

= July 25 =

Mobile Wikipedia
I accidentally changed my mobile Wikipedia on my phone to the regular Wikipedia (like on a computer). How do I change it back to the mobile version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.143.251 (talk) 02:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] If you go to Enable mobile version on your mobile device and click on the link there, you will re-enable the mobile version. doom gaze   (talk)  02:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Welcoming Template
Hello, can someone post a welcoming template onto my talk page? Thank you. -- 7D HMS (talk) 03:28, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ Dismas |(talk) 03:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Navbox with collapsible groups liststyle not working
I have formated Time 100s using Navbox with collapsible groups but the liststyle parameter is not working for the background color, font color or spacing symbols.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It is working, but only the "color:white;" part is effective, because the "background:red;" is overridden by the   or   which are applied to the individual navbox rows. These force other background colours - white for odd rows, light grey for even rows.
 * As a side issue, I don't think that the which appears in the belowstyle is a good idea - try a   instead. I have  a  which should have been . -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If you add  as an explicit parameter to the two calls to, you can override the   or  . This gives you white dots and blue text links against a red background. Don't do it, it looks hideous! -- John of Reading (talk) 13:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not trying to change the background and text of the list but of the row headings. How do I do that?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * As above, apply parameters to the . The primary style for the groupn (where n is an integer in the range 1-20) comes from groupstyle - this supplements (and may override) basestyle. If special styling is desired for individual rows, groupnstyle may be used. For the listn the primary style comes from liststyle, which may be overridden for odd and even rows by the use of oddstyle and evenstyle, or for individual rows by listnstyle. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:22, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have tried list1style = background: Red;color:white; and group1style = background: Red;color:white; to get the row headings to have red backgrounds with white text and neither has worked. I am not sure what I am misunderstanding.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you ensure that the parameter was placed inside each relevant ? If it's inside the but outside the s it may not have the full intended effect. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you trying to change the colour of the year-by-year links? They are red because they are links to articles that don't exist. I don't think that can be changed by setting navbox styles. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Finally got it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

How do I submit a new article
i Have written a new article in my user space and want to submit it to wikipedia. As a new user I don't seem to be able to do this. How do I do this/request that this is done? Thanks Baby.seagull (talk) 10:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I suggest that you read the 2 useful links at the top of your article: So you made a userspace draft and Requests for feedback. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Standard advice follows:


 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article. You might also look at How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is also available to walk you through creating an article. – ukexpat (talk) 14:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Ritu Beri
The wiki article on Ritu Beri is incomplete. Ritu married an NRI and went to UK in the eightees. She had a bitter divorce and returned to India in mid-ninetees. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.99.186.113 (talk) 11:42, 25 July 2011 (UTC)




 * You could add information yourself, as long as you have reliable sources for the info (e.g. books, newspapers) - but do be careful to reference everything - see WP:BLP.
 * For the facts you said above...how can we prove they're true? It'd need a very good reference; it has to be verifiable.
 * Alternatively, you could make suggestions on the discussion page, Talk:Ritu Beri.  Chzz  ► 11:53, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Format of links to items on other Wikimedia Project sites
What is the correct way to format a link to items on Wikibooks, WikiSource, Commons, Wiktionary, etc.? Roger (talk) 12:21, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It depends on what you want to do but in general, just like regualr links we have starting and ending doubled bracket. Inside you place the name of the other project (certain shortcuts can also be used), followed by a colon, then the exact title there, then a pipe ("|") followed by what you want the link to display as. So, for example, to link to Wiktionary's entry for callipygian, you would type  or  . See Help:Interwiki linking. Note also that there are templates to display a notice in articles that announce that another project has material on a subject. See Category:Interwiki link templates.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Roger (talk) 13:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Question
Do you, by chance know - (Redacted) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pindrum (talk • contribs) 13:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   14:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Pesquisa Sobre a família Nolêto em Pontremolli
Gostaria de saber, se existem alguns membros da família nolêto em Pontremolli, região de Fivizzano, Lucca, Carrara. Será possível obter essa informação, o mais rápido possível? fico aguardando.

João Lourenço Batista Nolêto — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.42.3.168 (talk) 15:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia Foundation RGB logo with text.svg Hello. Your question seems to be related to one of our sister projects. Please note that you are at the English Wikipedia, one of hundreds of projects hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. Each project is operated independently of one another, including Wikipedias in other languages. This page is a help desk for asking questions related to using this wiki, so we may be unable to assist in matters concerning other Wikimedia projects. You may have more luck trying to find help at the project in question. Best of luck. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Esta página é para dúvidas sobre a utilização da Wikipedia. Por favor, considere fazer esta pergunta na Wicipedia:Y Ddesg Gyfeirio . Eles são especializados em questões de conhecimentos e vai tentar responder a qualquer pergunta no universo (exceto como usar Wikipedia, pois é isso que este é para Help Desk). Basta seguir o link, selecione a seção apropriada, e perguntar de distância. Você pode sempre tentar pesquisar Wikipedia para um artigo relacionado com o tema você quer saber mais sobre. Espero que isso ajude. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 17:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's a lot of point in directing a Portuguese speaker to the Reference desk on the Welsh Wikipedia! So I've struck the link out above. I haven't been able to find a Reference Desk on the Portuguese Wikipedia: it looks to me as if there isn't one. --ColinFine (talk) 18:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * How about pt:Wikipédia:Contato/Fale com a Wikipédia? -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well the question still seems to be a knowledge question though and I don't know how the volunteers at the portuguese help desk generally deal with that. Still he or she might have better chances to be directed to the right spot there. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 19:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Running the above question through Google translate gives "I wonder if there are some family members in Pontremolli Nolet, Fivizzano region, Lucca, Carrara. Is it possible to get this information as soon as possible? I'm waiting." It would appear that the IP is asking a genealogy-related question. Mjroots (talk) 21:26, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Adding copyrights/source information to a logo or image
I am trying to prevent an image of the company logo from being taken down, I have the source information and a statement for the logo. The logo currently is a registered trademark, and I have a document allowing me to upload the logo. I'm not sure how to add this information to the uploaded image template, please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crisscutfries (talk • contribs) 15:40, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * See WP:IOWN for more information. -- Jayron  32  15:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Exhaust gas emission
Some countries are now measuring gas emissions in G/KM. Would appreciate if one of your contributors would advise names of manufacturers of emission control equipments giving results in G/KM. Thanking you for your help.

Clovis Provencal Mauritius — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clopro (talk • contribs) 16:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 17:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Article
I plan on creating an article on the Chohan family murders, that occurred in the UK on 2003. However, i am not completely certain that it meets the notability criteria. Here are the sources i plan on using. Any opinions? Joyson Noel Holla at me!  17:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The sources at User talk:Joyson Noel/Chohan family murders look very good in my opinion. I see you also started a draft at User:Joyson Noel/Chohan family murders. Once you have developed your draft further and want additional feedback, you can list your draft at Requests for feedback. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 17:21, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit paranoid about it getting nominated for deletion later, thereby rendering my time and efforts wasted. As such, i would greatly appreciate further opinions regarding the event's notability. Joyson Noel  Holla at me!  17:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked at every single of your sources, but the ones I looked at seem to support your article idea. However, it will be easier to comment if you had already written something. Nobody will delete the draft from your userspace, as long as it is not a clear copyright violation or a clear violation of one of the points at Wikipedia:User pages#What may I not have in my user pages?. See also Your first article for a guide on writing an article. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 17:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The sources look very good, I don't think you should encounter a problem. That many sources might not be enough if you were trying to write a bio, as a violation of WP:BLP1E, but you are writing about the event, so you shouldn't have a problem. As an aside, make sure to explain the term "supergrass" as I doubt many readers outside the UK will know the term.-- SPhilbrick  T  17:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the helpful comments, gentlemen! Joyson Noel  Holla at me!  06:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Need a review for my article
Hi. I have written the article Stijn Van Cauter in my own userspace and then moved it after it has reached an "okay" size. Please review the article and remove the "Unreviewed article" template if you find it fine. Sentient Planet (talk) 17:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I am not convinced that he meets the notability guidelines at WP:MUSIC. – ukexpat (talk) 17:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you are not familier with him, but he is a very prominent artist, and somewhat a celebrity, in the doom metal scene. Virtually any metal website will have some acknowledgement of him (perhaps under some of his aliases. He has so many that it's possible you'll only find "Until Death Overtakes Me" as that's his most notable one). Sentient Planet (talk) 19:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * In the absence of significant coverage in reliable sources he does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. – ukexpat (talk) 13:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Infoboxes, what is going on?
I was trying to expand the article Feed (Grant novel), and the first thing I thought it needed was an infobox.

So I went and grabbed a book infobox from another article to get the structure, and replaced all the content bits. But when I previewed that, it just showed the raw code. You can see what I mean in my userspace here: User:Gnfnrf/Feed.

I am stumped as to why it isn't doing its magic thing where it makes with the infoboxing. I thought that just happened, and despite doing a lot of editing, I've never really learned much about the process. I feel like I'm missing something simple and important, but I can't figure out what.

So, the questions are, I suppose: What's going on, how do I fix it, and how stupid will I feel when I learn what I did wrong? gnfnrf (talk) 19:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the syntax error. I can't predict how you will feel about it, though. A proper software environment would have told you what was wrong, of course. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:24, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That's actually not as bad (from my stupidity perspective) as I feared.  I was imagining the answer was something like "Silly editor, only Glooberwatsit class articles can have templates, and this is a Shitzerpiggle!" meaning some basic concept existed about templates and infoboxes that I had never heard of.  This is just a typo.  I make typoes all the time.  I probably would have found it eventually, but I didn't even consider that a typo in the box could break the entire thing like that. gnfnrf (talk) 19:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Image Dump from Suisun Bay, west coast US Mothball Fleet, USS Iowa, pics taken yesterday
Hi, I have several dozen pictures such as this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1832211/suisun%20bay%20sample.JPG

And this, the image at the bottom (could someone better integrate it, please): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Green_Mountain_State_%28T-ACS-9%29

All relevant to this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suisun_Bay_Reserve_Fleet

Taken yesterday, while on a day cruise on the SS Jeremiah O'Brien. Our ship was about 150 feet away from the parked ships which may be unusual because ships and boats generally must remain 500 feet away, so these may be somewhat unique photos. In addition, the ships pictured are all scheduled to be scrapped within a year or two.

I've also got some very nice close-ups of the current state of the USS Iowa (BB-61) which is scheduled to be converted into a museum ship in LA - rent-a-cop and port-a-poty clearly visible on the deck, along with "Keep Back 500 Feet", and many more.

How crazy should I go with adding those current images to the article about Suisun Bay Reserve Fleet and about the various ships themselves? Should I simply upload all of them to wikimedia commons, and leave it to the Naval enthusiasts to integrate them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Earthpig (talk • contribs) 19:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You can definitely upload them to Commons. If you want to add them to individual ship pictures yourself, Picture tutorial should help.  If you would like other people to add them to appropriate articles; then you should perhaps notify relevant WikiProjects.  Since these are all warships, a good place to start may be WikiProject Military history which is a very active WikiProject.  Just drop a note on their talk pages letting them know which files you uploaded to Commons, and they may very well have something useful to do with them.  -- Jayron  32  19:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Policy re dropped criminal charges in BLPs
Do we have a policy regarding if and when it is appropriate to mention that a living person was accused of a crime, but charges were dropped (or something similar to that effect). I seem to remember reading something but can't find it now. I'm specifically asking about David Goodwillie but anything general would be appreciated too. doom gaze  (talk)  19:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP and WP:LIBEL primarily, but also WP:V and WP:UNDUE. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Though it regards whether to create an article or not when someone has only been accused, so it's not applicable here, I wonder if the language you remember reading is from the last part of WP:PERPETRATOR? It's in the vein of what you were talking about. I was thinking also you might have seen WP:HARM. In any event, I agree with Redrose's links above.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Bingo, the little bit in WP:PERPETRATOR was what I half-remembered, guess it isn't really relevant to this situation after all. Thanks for your help guys, doom gaze   (talk)  12:03, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

K&E drafting machine
I need help in locating an owners manual for a K&E PARAGON deafting machine. Any links, web sites, pdf files, personal contacts are most welcome and needed. [email redacted]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rtrg (talk • contribs) 21:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:26, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Broken page layout
en.wikipedia.org is broken for me on google chrome only, It is also fully functioning on other languages, the page font has changed to Times New Roman and the layout is nonexistent. How can I fix this? 86.174.91.88 (talk) 22:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you give more details?Jasper Deng (talk) 22:53, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

The page looks like this http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w263/kingfroggy/Untitled-1.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.91.88 (talk) 23:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This is an incomplete page load. Simply refresh. Otherwise, something is stopping a complete page load.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Clear your entire cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Editing issues
Hi,

For certain articles, I have some problems with editing. Any time I try to edit an article, it says I have to download something or use some kind of software. This didn't used to happen before, and just started happening today. Any time I click the edit button, it downloads a file called "index.php", and it wants me to select whether I should download software to enable me to edit or to use software I currently have. I do not know what this is, and it's stopping me from editing.

--Bobjonespie (talk) 22:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you run a virus scan lately? What is the name of the software that it wants you to install?  Dismas |(talk) 23:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Go to your preferences editing tab, and see if "Use external editor by default..." is ticked. If it is, uncheck the box. See if that fixes the issue.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)