Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 June 11

= June 11 =

adding logo to a institution page
Hi, I would like add the college logo to the page 'Goverment Engineering College, Kozhikode' page. Please guide me how it can be done. thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.50.66.18 (talk) 00:05, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Since their website doesn't seem to indicate that their logo seen at the top of is available under a free license, we must assume it is copyrighted. Therefore this logo is subject to our non-free content policy and must meet all 10 criteria at WP:NFC. If you need further help, you should bring this up at Media copyright questions. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 00:25, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Typically logos for the subjects of existing articles do meet the non-free content policy. But to upload an image, you must register an account and have that account confirmed or autoconfirmed.  The easiest way to have an account autoconfirmed is simply to make any 10 edits while logged in (even simple typo fixes are fine... try searching Wikipedia for some of these words) and wait four days.  Then you can click "upload file" on the left hand side of the screen and follow the prompts.  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 04:31, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Quote from the box at the top of WP:NFC:
 * "It has a valid rationale indicating why its usage would be considered fair use within Wikipedia policy and US law."
 * I do not really understand the comment
 * "Typically logos for the subjects of existing articles do meet the non-free content policy."
 * A rationale is a requirement. Just because it is the logo of the subject doesn't mean it automatically meets our non-free content policy. And I think this logo meets Threshold of originality required for copyright protection and since there is no indication that this logo is licensed under a free license, we must assume it is copyrighted. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd imagine it would be copyrighted, but that doesn't stop it being used under Fair Use. If you click "Upload file" --> "It is the logo of an organization", you get a version of logo fur that provides a partly-complete rationale that addresses most of the the 10 requirements at WP:NFC.  Logos talks about logos in more detail, and says "It is generally accepted that company logos may appear in the infobox of articles on commercial companies, but note that, if challenged, it is the responsibility of those who wish to include the logo to prove that its use meets Wikipedia non-free content criteria." Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 14:44, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Atlin_Gold_Rush
Could you someone to the Atlin_Gold_Rush article to the Atlin article? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 03:46, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Atlin Gold Rush was converted to a redirect three minutes after you posted here. Is that what you were asking for? -- John of Reading (talk) 10:02, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Dangling footnote link
The external link for the second footnote in Gunn is so long that part of it has been pushed to the bottom of the article; never seen this one before and not sure how to fix it.

Thanks, RadioBroadcast (talk) 04:31, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

If you're talking about the Google books footnote, I went ahead and captioned it hoping it helps. SwisterTwister (talk) 04:50, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, that fixed it. Thank you!RadioBroadcast (talk) 01:37, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

How can I get my article into the main Wikipedia?
I wrote the article User:Acf-jimloy/Tom Wiswell. And I was wondering how I can get it into the main Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acf-jimloy (talk • contribs) 05:39, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You click "move" at the top, and erase your user name, leaving just "Tom Wiswell" as the new page name, and submit. C T J F 8 3  09:18, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * See Moving a page for advice and screenshots. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:05, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

How to complain the administrator?
See the topic name, because someone is violating my academic freedom!! --Pierce (talk) 09:08, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You need to be far more specific, provide links, tell us specifically what you want to complain about with regards to an admin's actions. WP:ANI is probably gonna be the best place. C T J F 8 3  09:13, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * See also Dispute resolution. The first step should usually be a user or article talk page discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:54, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I find it hard to think of anything one might do on Wikipedia that constituted "violating academic freedom". Wikipedia is not academia: it has different purposes and rules. You can write anything consistent with those rules and remove anything inconsistent with them. Obviously there is often disagreement about whether something is allowed by the rules or not, and then we get content and other disputes, for which we have dispute resolution. But the governing principle is Wikipedia's rules: academic freedom is no more relevant than it would be in an other non-academic activity. --ColinFine (talk) 13:45, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Mandy Clark
Hello,

Mandy Clark, the anime voice-over actress, is not the same person as Mandy Clark, the CBS correspondent. The voice-over Mandy's Wiki page is linked to the CBS correspondent site, which is incorrect. See below: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Palmer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.88.78.186 (talk) 11:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I changed the wikilink to point to Mandy Clark (journalist). Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:46, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

What's going on with Chinese version?
Excuse me, but what's wrong with Chinese version of Wikipedia? A "log in" webpage pops outwhenever I try to view it even if I had already log in Wikipedia. It's quite disturbing, could you fix it or send all user a letter explaining the situation, please? p.s. I'm from Taiwan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bencyliu (talk • contribs) 14:06, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I just typed zh.wikipedia.org into my search address bar and it worked fine. It may be your web browser, try using a different one. Ryan Vesey (talk) 14:44, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

it works fine 好 :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.31.102 (talk) 22:42, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

typo in the entry
Dear Wiki help desk, I have just contributed/edited an entry but failed to capitalize the last name of this person.
 * Just press the edit button again and capitalize the name. Ryan Vesey (talk) 14:43, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That doesn't work for an article's title, as with Patrice yengo. The solution is non-intuitive: visit that article, click the down-pointing arrow next to the star at the top of the page, and select "move".  Then you can "move" the article to a new title, in this case "Patrice Yengo". Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 14:51, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't initially understand that the user meant that it was in the title. Ryan Vesey (talk) 14:54, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

How can I delete an AfD?
I just browsed the help desk archives and stumbled over the old discussion Help desk/Archives/2011 May 23 That article was deleted per consensus at Articles for deletion/Faded horizon. However, the page created in the attempt to rename the article still exists at Articles for deletion/Faded Horizon. How can this page be deleted? It seems really unnecessary to keep this. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 16:08, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I think I will MfD it. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 16:33, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Bidirectionality of text juxtaposed with numeral characters
Ran into difficulty editing the article on M.F. Husain. Entered his name in the lead using right-to-left Urdu/Arabic alphabet. The immediately following birthdate had the numeral of the day first, followed by the month, e.g. "17 September 1915." I know that is preferred in the British date style used in the article. However, putting the numeral first in the date, immediately following the right-to-left Arabic text, goofed up the text direction. The numeral 17 got separated from September and moved to the opposite side of the Arabic text.

When I edited the numeral to go after the month American style, e.g. "September 17, 1915," then the text direction came out correctly. I'm no "ugly American;" it totally was not my intention to intrude American month-day style where it wasn't wanted. I just couldn't find any other way to prevent the bidirectionality from getting goofed up. So my question is how to preserve both day-month style and have correct bidirectionality at the same time. To avoid the left-to-right numeral being parsed as right-to-left.

I tried reading up on bidirectional text and Help:Arabic, but failed to understand how to input Unicode to correct the problem and got exasperated. Why does this have to be so frickin' hard? Help! Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 16:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Bi-directionality reacts in ugly ways with a variety of things, At one point Wikipedia had an issue with the vowel points in Hebrew and Arabic because of a wierd misordering of Unicode in Windows (Add a category at the end of the article and *lots* of things move around). Anyway--- I managed to get the Day Month Year to work in the article, but in order to do that, I had to move the Urdu to prior to the Hindi. There is certainly still a bug, changing things to DMY while leaving the languages in order gave the same wierdness that you had, but if I put a single letter in front of the Day in his birth date, it was fine. But it had to be a displayed letter, putting it in didn't work. With the flip flop of Hindi and Urdu fixing it (which certainly shouldn't be required), I added a note in the text that changing it back will made things wonky. I have *no* idea how to figure out a preferred order of languages in the article is in a situation like this, so I don't know whether this is a truly acceptable way of doing it. It is either a complex problem in the lang-ur template, or it is a more general bug in the media wiki software, but I don't know how to test this, or how to submit the bug. :( This certainly isn't resolved. :( Naraht (talk) 18:19, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

unusual email
I received an unusual email through MediaWiki Mail. It's in a language I can't read. What should I do, or where should I go to find the answer to this question? Cynwolfe (talk) 17:37, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I once got one from the hindi wikipedia, one which I have never visited. More than likely its an editor posting you a 'welcome' message (at least that's what it was for me). doom gaze   (talk)  17:40, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * If you view any page at a language then your account is autocreated there. Some languages send automatic messages to new users. http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Cynwolfe indicates you visited the Indonesian Wikipedia (id) 9 June so I guess that's the mail you got. There is also a post at id:Pembicaraan Pengguna:Cynwolfe. Just ignore it. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:57, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. So if I click on a Languages link on the sidebar to any article, and I'm logged in, that automatically creates an account on that WP? Hm. Not sure I like being signed up for stuff automatically, nor do I recall visiting the Indonesian site, but thank you very much for answering my question. Cynwolfe (talk) 05:40, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It's easy to click a wrong link. You appear to know French and Italian. They are next to Indonesian on some pages. If you are curious then perhaps you can search your browsing history from 9 June for http://id.wikipedia.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:28, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Cynwolfe, type it [your e-mail] into |en this site. It's called Google |en Translate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.31.102 (talk) 22:38, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Color Templates
For the most parts Wikipedia has used simple navigation templates with minimal color, such as just a yellow top for music, blue for other media, etc. However. I've seen some templates which go above and beyond that. Is that even allowed? --Shadow (talk) 17:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The colors are thematic for the subject in those cases. See Template talk:Avril Lavigne. There is general color guidance (not navbox specific) at WP:COLOR. I think it's OK to get a little creative when there is a subject connection. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:13, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Board of Trustees Voting
I received an e-mail saying I was eligible to vote for the 2011 Board of Trustees. I looked at the instructions here. I can't figure out how to vote, though (what a surprise). I have logins here on Wikipedia and on Commons (not a global login, I don't believe). I tried to vote on Commons (while logged in), but it gave me an error message: "Sorry, you are not in the predetermined list of users authorised to vote in this election." I didn't see an obvious way to vote from here (English Wikipedia). What do I do?--Bbb23 (talk) 17:52, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The instructions there say: Go to the wiki page "Special:Securepoll" on one wiki you qualify to vote from. In your case it's the English Wikipedia so just go to Special:Securepoll here. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:19, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Gee, I didn't realize it was that easy. Clearly, I shouldn't be eligible to vote. :-) I've voted. Thanks very much.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Foreign Language Reference Sources
I have three sources I'd like to include in an article on Kevin Stea to document a career in Italy. They are news articles but are in Italian. How do you use these sources properly? Do they need to be translated? Is there an automatic translation widget or something for foreign sourced material? Do I simply translate a bit of the relevant material? Do I include them now in the hopes that a bilingual editor can revise them later? Or do we just include them and those viewing the source can use online translators on their own? Gmccombs (talk) 18:44, 11 June 2011 (UTC)Gmccombs
 * See Wikipedia:Foreign sources  C T J F 8 3  18:46, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, the short version is that we use the same criteria for foreign sources. Short translations or brief summations are certainly welcome if someone asks for one, but not required. --Nuujinn (talk) 19:10, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Does something noteworthy about a group member belong on a page about the group?
This question came up on the Tea Party Movement talk page: "I'm surprised there isn't a more concrete Wikipedia policy on whether any controversial statements or views of an individual member of a group or movement can be alluded to on that group's article... when can an individual's statement be viewed as severable, or are groups always liable for a member's or leader's faux pas?" I looked briefly in the FAQs, but haven't been able to find anything. Is yhere such a policy? Thanks. Jo3sampl (talk) 19:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the relevant policies dealing with this are mostly in WP:NPOV. Specifically due and undue weight and equal validity. If the member of a larger group does something that is attributed largely to and has great impact on the image of the group then it should be mentioned. In most cases, it must not overshadow the subject of the article itself (if it seems like it will, then that subtopic probably needs its own article per WP:SPINOFF). If the viewpoint of the member is very much a minority viewpoint within the group then it should be presented as such, if it is actually reflected by the majority of the group then it should also be stated clearly as such, etc. per refs as usual of course. As a general rule, if they are notable and do not have their own articles then yes they should be a subtopic to the group's article.


 * There's also an essay on the subject in Criticism. The main problem with the Tea Party Movement is that it's mostly non-centralized, and self-identification seems to be the norm. If they say they are, they should be treated as such. Unless the larger group specifically rejects them, then they should be mentioned and the rejection. Heh. I think I confused myself as well. :D --  Obsidi ♠ nSoul  21:36, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

links with text
I am working on an article to lace on Wikipedia, and am having difficulty using the links code with text replacement. The first word of the text is not appearing. My coding looks like this: [|music journalist]. The only text appearing is the word "journalist".

Cystalgate (talk) 23:51, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to wikilink to the article Music journalist, you should use Music journalist, which produces Music journalist. URLs are not used in wikilinks, only in links to external sites, such as for example this link to Google. See also Help:Link. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 23:59, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I would also add that at the moment, if the draft is moved to mainspace in its current form, it will likely be speedily deleted per A7 as it does not "credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject." – ukexpat (talk) 16:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)