Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 June 15

= June 15 =

Neutrality concerns
Hello. I would like to inform us that the article on biocomputers needs substantial editing on its neutrality. It reads like an advertisment on the potential of biocomputing. ("One day, biocomputers using nanobiotechnology may become the cheapest, most energy-efficient, most powerful, and most economical of any commercially available computer. Already, scientists are making significant headway in the advancement of this science.") While the field is exciting, it keeps touting on it like it's some promotional material. It also needs more in text citations, and some statements are vague, like the quote i mentioned. Can someone add templates describing how this page needs them?

By the way, I think itd be more sensible to change the name to "biocomputing."

--DSbanker (talk) 23:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I realize you're a relatively newly registered user, but the article is completely unprotected. You can edit the article as you see fit within the guidelines and policies of the encyclopedia. You can also raise issues on the Talk page. You'd even be the first (not counting the gibberish I just removed from it). :) As for maintenance templates, here's a starting place: WP:TC.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:04, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Im not actually a new user, ive been on here for 3 years, on other accounts. But, I didn't know what templates to put on or where to start. thanks for helping me out. ;-) --DSbanker (talk) 00:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I see that you added the tags, which is excellent. Now feel free to fix the article yourself. Tiggerjay (talk) 06:27, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Video Uploading
Hello, can someone give me a couple of good web sites were I might be able to get a good video of WindSeeker in action. It can't be YouTube because for some reason, it is not allowed. Thanks.--Dom497 (talk) 00:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you want the Reference desk; this help desk is for help using Wikipedia. Intelligent  sium  00:50, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The mention of YouTube not being allowed makes me think the Dom497 is looking for a video for referencing from a Wikipedia article, probably WindSeeker. One of the reasons that YouTube is generally not allowed is that much material on it is of dubious copyright status. I don't know if you are going to be able to find such a video that is acceptable: and you also should be thinking about whether it really adds to the article as an encyclopaedia article to link it. See WP:VIDEOLINK and WP:ELNO. --ColinFine (talk) 20:09, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi there.
Just went to look up "netta skog" an accordian player for the band turisas, and her file has been removed with the claim "there is no proof of the existance of this person".

This is kind of confusing, due to the fact that:

A: I've seen her perform in person B: She's referenced in the turisas band page of this website C: A quick search of google, or google images will quickly demonstrate she actually exists.

I'm thinking whoever deleted this page did not do a second's worth of research... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.206.112 (talk) 00:37, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually it stated "Doesn't indicate importance or significance of a real person." Not that she wasn't a real person.  A Wikipedia article needs to establish notability.  It seems odd, though, considering all of the other current band members have articles.  This was deleted in 2008, perhaps it was a very poorly written article (I cannot see it as I don't have admin privileges).  If you created an account, you could create an article about her.  Just remember to follow the five pillars and read your first article. Ryan Vesey (talk) 00:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * An article on Einstein could be deleted under A7 if all it said was "is an Austrian scientist."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:05, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Right, I meant that it is odd that she hasn't had a good page written about her. Ryan Vesey (talk) 01:06, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * A good argument for you, 210.49.206.112, since you seem interested in this subject, to a) create an account; b) learn some basics of editing; c) be bold and d) create the article yourself.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:12, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Netta Skog was created by User:Ncfcthain and completely unsourced. The only content was
 * "Netta Skog is a Finnish accordion player from viking metal band turisas. Netta first appeared as a live session musician on the 2007 UK/Euro Tour after the pervious accordion player went AWOL. Netta was made a full member after impressing on tour. Netta is the youngest member of the band at just 18."
 * There are different rules for articles about real people and fictional people. The deletion summary indicated that it was deleted per rules for real people: "A7 (bio): Doesn't indicate importance or significance of a real person".
 * Follow the links to see more. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:04, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

pablo picasso
picasso has a daugter not listed !!!!!!!in your life history paloma daughter of the maestro and francoise gilot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.40.119 (talk) 00:51, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * From the article: "...they had two children, Claude, born in 1947 and Paloma, born in 1949."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:02, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * This is the encyclopedia Wikipedia. Our article Pablo Picasso mentions Paloma six times. Were you referring to another page? PrimeHunter (talk) 02:09, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * She has her own page, too. Bielle  (talk) 02:20, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Please help with sorting
hello,

please fix the sorting in Golden Globe Award for Best Original Score; the films "10", "127 Hours", "1492: Conquest of Paradise" and "25th Hours" sorts numerically and not quantitative. For example it should be 10, 25, 127 and 1492 instead of 10, 127, 1492 and 25. Thank you.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ Share– a– Power[citation needed] 10:22, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

When creating sortable tables, there can be issues with how a column sorts. See Help:Sorting for a complete overview.


 * Columns that mix alpha and numerical data will sort alphabetically— this can be resolved by using nts.
 * When using general text with and without wikilinks, use sort.
 * To sort dates, use dts.
 * For sorting names in the format last, first use sortname. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 10:25, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I know all those sortings templates, but if I use nts it displays "127" instead of "127 Hours" and without wikilink.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ Share– a– Power[citation needed] 10:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * What about using ntsh to set the collation key (but not display it) and then you can keep the existing link and display as you like? DMacks (talk) 10:38, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Non-free content in userspace
Is there an official policy regarding the use of non-free content in userspace? I am aware of WP:UP, but that is not an official policy. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:09, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Read WP:NFCC, #9... -- Jayron  32  12:12, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Somehow I didn't find that. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:15, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Change the entry to NPTA
When searching Wikipedia and placing the letters NPTA into the search box an entry comes up stating that NPTA may be one of six organisations. I wish this to now include National Pest Technician's Association as another organisation someone may be looking for. We already have an entry within Wikipedia for the full name. I am an approved person who has my own Wikipedia log in. Regards JBS Jbhygiene (talk) 13:01, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Before we do that, the article has some issues that need to be urgently addressed, see the talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 13:32, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * JBS: you should also read about conflict of interest (I have tagged the page with that as well): If you mean what I think you mean by "I am an approved person" - i.e. approved by the NPTA or one of its members - then you have a conflict of interest and need to be very careful in editing the page. Your user name also looks to me as if it may fall foul of our WP:CORPNAME policy, though I may be reading too much into it.
 * Wikipedia as a whole is very keen on getting its information correct, and contributions from people with a direct knowledge of a subject can be valuable; but it is important to maintain neutrality, and Wikipedia may not be used for promoting a cause or organisation, no matter how worthy. --ColinFine (talk) 20:19, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

How to Upload photos
I am a foundation coordinator at a nonprofit and we would like to upload our logo to our page. How can I get status or approval to do so? Smcagey (talk) 14:20, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy.
 * If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add  to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing   with the actual file name of the image, and   with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.  TN X Man  14:22, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add  to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing   with the actual file name of the image, and   with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.  TN X Man  14:22, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

TSYS
How do I stop a feed coming straight from wikipedia to a facebook fan page?

As a company, we want to have control of the content that is on our facebook page, and we cannot edit with this direct feed.

Thank you,

Jeanette Crawford TSYS Marketing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.105.192.18 (talk) 15:31, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You need to contact facebook, and not Wikipedia. Wikipedia has no control over what Facebook does.  Once content is taken from Wikipedia and reused elsewhere, it is out of our control.  -- Jayron  32  15:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Gah! Those damn javascript things!
Well, I'm having some issues with uploading an image. It comes up with the little window that has the circling light and says 'Uploading image'. Seems harmless. But no! I probably waited about 5 minutes and still nothing. Any help? Island Monkey talk the talk 15:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I assume you are trying to upload with the new uploading form in Wikimedia Commons? Try the old upload form in Upload instead of Commons:Special:UploadWizard.--  Obsidi ♠ nSoul  16:13, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No, here. Only if I had no common sense would I be asking questions about WM Commons here. Island Monkey talk the talk 17:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Why? It's perfectly acceptable. Commons is the preferred method of uploading files in en.wiki after all.


 * Anyway, large files take a while to upload, so just wait a bit. If that doesn't help, clear your cache and reupload. If it's been happening all the time/If you are getting the same problem with other files (i.e. not just for one attempt at uploading), try another browser and reupload it. If it's only for this particular file, check the image format. The file extension might be incorrect (e.g. .png for a .jpg file, etc.) If that still doesn't help, it's probably your internet connection. The usual trial-and-error approach and such.


 * Also try updating your plugins and other stuff. Uploading seems to have no problems on my end.--  Obsidi ♠ nSoul  18:11, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Erm...this is still an en.wikipedia issue, since I'm uploading an unfree image. Island Monkey talk the talk 18:30, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you tried to use another browser or to turn of JavaScript? mabdul 19:20, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * And please don't be more confrontational than necessary. We are trying to help you after all. Commons has that new fancy upload wizard and I naturally assumed you were having problems with that as a lot of other people were (exactly the same issues as you described which I have experienced once myself). But yeah, please ignore all the previous assumptions then and try our proposed solutions. A little more background on what you were trying to do and what happened would also be helpful instead of letting us guess it.--  Obsidi ♠ nSoul  20:01, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Try ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 20:15, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * [[Media:File:Logo-pgl.gif|It works! It works!]] Thank you Ed and and Mabdul! Island Monkey talk the talk 20:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * lulz, I might as well not have typed two paragraphs of the same things they suggested, eh? I apologize for trying to help.--  Obsidi ♠ nSoul  20:54, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I disabled the thing for now. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 22:25, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Lost a discussion
Someone, I thought it was here, was asking for help with historic East African transport, I think principally ships. I have lost that discussion but found a book on the subject. Can anyone give me a hand finding the discussion?--Wehwalt (talk) 15:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Was it recently? --213.196.218.59 (talk) 16:01, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but never mind, I just found it. It was under the Trains WikiProject.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:02, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

#STUPiDFACEDD
i am trying to create an article for the word/phrase "#STUPiDFACEDD"

Can someone please help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claybusch (talk • contribs) 18:02, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Please don't - see WP:NEOLOGISM and WP:MADEUP. – ukexpat (talk) 18:04, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought the same thing, but it appears to be a song. I still don't know if it is notable, it doesn't appear that the artist, Wallpaper, even has his own page.  Could you (ip) give us some information that would let us ascertain the song's notability? Ryan Vesey (talk) 19:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Quality Scale
I notice that some articles fall under many different projects, with varying importance levels in each project. If an article is reviewed for quality, does it receive the same quality under each project? Ryan Vesey (talk) 20:03, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I think so yeah, heh. At least in practice. Unlike the Importance field, the criteria for quality AFAIK is Wikipedia-wide and people basically just copy the earliest existing assessment from the most pertinent WikiProject. e.g. a stub class in WikiProject Plants is also still a stub class in WikiProject China. The Importance field does vary though. e.g. an article on a single plant species may be high importance to WikiProject China for cultural reasons, but might be of low importance to WikiProject Plants itself.


 * More info on them can be found here: WikiProject Council/Assessment FAQ and here WikiProject Council/Guide/WikiProject--  Obsidi ♠ nSoul  20:55, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

how do I delete an account?
Hi Wiki-Team. I have created a Wikipedia account about 2 years ago and can't remember my pw and also I am pretty sure the email adress I used to recover no longer exists. I now created a new account to start using wikipedia again. however how can I delete the old account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heese (talk • contribs) 20:16, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no way to delete an account. You can abandon one, which is what you have already done de facto in this case; but the old account still exists and will continue to do so, in order to maintain the edit history of which it was a part. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Heese, please visit our Request an account procedure page for usurping information. Thanks.  Wifione    .......  Leave a message  03:09, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Delete Article
I think you should delete the article about Shannon Letandre. If you can that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Croscoe (talk • contribs) 21:06, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't delete or elect to delete any articles. And...ummm.......WHY do you want someone to delete this article? Its a perfectly fine article, and theres no reason to delete it. So...GOODBYE I guess.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.21.180 (talk) 21:13, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, he is the primary (and original) author of this page. Because they are requesting for it to be deleted, that would fall under CSD G7. A p 3 rson ‽   23:47, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * No, there are too many intervening edits for it to qualify for G7, so it was declined. – ukexpat (talk) 14:59, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Received "Proposed deletions needing attention" & a question
Earlier today, received this because the article, Cherie Roberts, was already proposed for deletion and the result of the deletion review was "delete." However, the page still remains while Ms. Roberts has become even less notable. Apparently, someone has since removed the nomination for deletion tag and it wasn't present on the Articles_for_deletion log though I just entered it again. Still, there is no tag on her page now. She doesn't approach meeting WP:PORNBIO. I attempted to contact someone who was an administrator on his talk page but never received any answer. What should I do at this point? Also, could I have nominated the article for speedy deletion under the circumstances?TL36 (talk) 23:07, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi TL36. The AfD debate, Articles for deletion/Cherie Roberts, took place in 2007, at which time the entire contents of the article were "Cherie Roberts (born December 8, 1978 in Oakland, California) aka Kitana Jade is an adult model." As you've noted, the result was delete, and the article was in fact deleted. It was re-created in 2008. The very first revision of the new version shows far more content, with sourcing in place (though whether those are reliable sources and are sufficient for notability purposes or otherwise fail relevant policies is a different issue). When an article that was deleted after discussion is recreated it can be speedy deleted under CSD G4, but only if its content is "substantially identical to the deleted version." Given the current content, G4 is inapplicable. The recent deletion request was via a proposed deletion nomination, placed through the Prod tag—you seem to have some confusion here; don't mix up articles for deletion debates with proposed deletions which are entirely different and do not involve any debate). Anyone, including the page creator, an IP, a brand new user, etc. can remove a prod tag and it should not be restored. This is because proposed deletion is for uncontroversial deletion requests, and the very act of removing the tag is considered a protest of it, rendering the deletion not uncontroversial. If you want to pursue deletion now, the only route I see is to take it to AfD a second time.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:51, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Using Template:IP address
Are we allowed to use Template:IP address on an IP user, if we have enough evidence that they use that ip (possibly in a dynamic ip situation)? Or is there another template? A p 3 rson ‽   23:35, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, Template:IPsame A p 3 rson ‽   23:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

changing a figure
I have uploaded a new version of Fig. 1 in which I have changed a caption to match the text but it fails to change. What am I missing please? is it locked or what and if so how do I unlock it. Thanks for your helpPuffingbilly (talk) 23:53, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a note that the query above apparently relates to File:Block Diagram Delta-Sigma.svg. Deor (talk) 00:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * With images you sometimes have to purge the page cache, bypass your computer's cache and on occasion make a dummy or null edit in order to have the latest version show. I have done some of these things and it appears fixed now. If you are still seeing the prior version, that's likely a cache issue on your end.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:14, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. A page purge fixed itPuffingbilly (talk) 02:25, 16 June 2011 (UTC)