Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 June 16

= June 16 =

Citations, how do I "do an Ibid"
Got this great project in my sandbox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Long_island_bob/Sandbox but I'm pretty much using the same 5 sources for all of it.

How do I "do and Ibid?" TIA Long island bob (talk) 01:58, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * See WP:IBID. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:27, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Umm...
On my wikipedia every search is redirected to “c2.com” whats the problem...thanks........


 * Do you mean that when you enter something in Wikipedia's search box at the top right of the screen, you instead get taken to the website of c2.com? Or do you mean that you are directed to the Wikipedia "article" on C2.com (which is actually just a redirect)? Or something else? 86.160.221.106 (talk) 00:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Are you by any chance typing "wiki:" in front of searches? That correctly redirects to c2.com in accordance with meta:Interwiki map. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:24, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Help with page layout problem
Hi. Large numbers of Wikipedia articles have page layout problems whereby unwanted chunks of blank space appear because of infelicitous forced alignment of page elements. I try to fix these when I see them, but Victoria Hall disaster is presently defeating me. I see a large blank space at the top of the article to the left of the image of the poster, and then the article text starts adjacent to the picture of the memorial (not visible at all on my screen unless I scroll down). It seems that there may be a problem with behaviour of "Infobox UK feature" template, but the details of this are beyond me. Can anyone help? Btw, these problems are sometimes browser-dependent. I am using IE 8. 86.160.221.106 (talk) 00:40, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I see it fine on Chrome...try purging the cache? C T J F 8 3  00:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Using IE9 I see nothing wrong either. -- Jayron  32  00:49, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * IP, clear your cache, prob ctrl + F5 or ctrl + reload button up top. C T J F 8 3  00:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's anything to do with caching. I think it's a browser-specific rendering issue. I see it time and time again. I'm not surprised it's different in different browsers. There are differences in the way browsers interpret page element floats/alignments, coupled with possible non-optimal use of Wikisyntax or non-optimal conversion of this to HTML. Can anyone check in IE8? 86.160.221.106 (talk) 00:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC).


 * Don't worry guys, I fixed it with "stack begin" and "stack end" templates. Don't know how it works but it does. Clearly this is a problem others have encountered and someone smarter than me has figured it out. Thanks anyway. 86.160.221.106 (talk) 01:20, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The versions both before and after the change display fine for me in IE8. Might it be the skin you use? I use Vector. —teb728 t c 01:35, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I have never (knowingly) made any choice of skin, so presumably I use whatever the default is. But is that not "Vector"? I have checked again, and it is completely consistent and reliable for me that the old page displays faultily and the new page displays fine. Can you think of anything else relevant that might differ between your setup and mine? It would be interesting to know, even if the problem is now fixed. 86.160.221.106 (talk) 01:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * In IE9 and vector, before the change I have the whitespace and after it is gone. GB fan (talk) 01:55, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

There's a template that can be used to help when there are big blank spaces in articles. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 22:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

how do I find out who is watching my talk page
Is there a tool or way to find out who is stalking my talk page? TCO (talk) 02:34, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it's covered by privacy. See Help:Watching pages. http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/watcher/ says there are 42 but you cannot see who they are. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Your answer is 42.  Well, it's close to your answer.  That's how many people are watching your user page but there's no way to see who those 42 people are.  Dismas |(talk) 02:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm curious...TCO (talk) 02:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * In order to a least let you know something, there are now 43. Guess who! http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/watcher/ was updated less than a second later. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:47, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * BTW, thank you PrimeHunter for your response. It's a lot better than the simple "no" when I asked this very same question last month.  Dismas |(talk) 02:42, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks man. Where are my manner!  Off to article edit...TCO (talk) 02:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, at the server level, it's quite easy to know who is watching or even visiting your page. The office staff, to control specific cases where the project has to be protected, does keep a log of ips, user ids, and their respective page views. If you have concerns that are urgent and the resolution of which involves finding out who is visiting/stalking your talk page, you should write directly to the office staff.  Wifione    .......  Leave a message  02:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Well...I have taken actions into my own hands...I know a way to find out. See here:  TCO (talk) 03:01, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ingenious.  Wifione    .......  Leave a message  03:00, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Mutant human a redirection to Human
After Articles for deletion/Mutant growth hormone, I have a question that I asked also to User talk:Courcelles who closed the deletion.

When you are writing, mutant human, you add a link mutant to mutant or mutation and a link human to human and we should not create a redirection mutant human to human.

In Principles of molecular medicine, Page 957 Par Marschall Stevens Runge,Cam Patterson, you can read "mutant growth hormone-releasing hormone (GHRH)", the word mutant is an adjective in front of GHRH. In an article of Comic Book Resources, you can read "MGH [Mutant Growth Hormone]", the word mutant is in the name.

However with the logic "that makes perfect sense to" User:Courcelles, we should have a redirection mutant growth hormone to growth hormone and not the List of comic book drugs where a merge and redirect has been proposed in the deletion process because Mutant Growth Hormone is the name of a fictional drug. Am I the only one who does not understand this deletion conclusion and this redirection mutant growth hormone to growth hormone ?

mutant human or mutant human ?

--130.120.37.11 (talk) 06:25, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia can not cover every fictional plot device in all fictional works, there are outside fan wikias specifically for that. But yeah, this is a content dispute, something we can not help with, and you are canvassing, which is inappropriate. I suggest you take this to a centralized discussion and notify (neutrally, please do not canvass) the affected WikiProjects (probably WikiProject Comics and WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology)


 * That said, I would have kept the article with a (comics) added in the title or merged into the Marvel universe article, then disambiguated Mutant growth hormone instead of redirecting it to Growth hormone. The same reasons you've given. 'Mutant growth hormone' while a common enough phrase in scientific literature, is not actually a specific term. It's simply an adjective + noun, and not something anyone would actually search for. It would be like redirecting Bald human to Human. My two cents anyway.--  Obsidi ♠ nSoul  07:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

South Africa article. Bug?
Article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa has in practice become "read only" i.e. can't edit. There's no notice posted on talk page relative to any "read only" restriction or whatever, so I assume problem is due to a bug or something technical preventing edits. How to fix pse? Communikat (talk) 08:58, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The article is semi-protected and displays a small padlock at the extreme top right as a sign of this. You will be able to edit the article once you have been registered for four days. As I check, I've just edited the article. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your help. Communikat (talk) 10:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

registration for wikipedia
Do I need to register anywhere to edit articles?91.194.221.231 (talk) 09:24, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No. But there are advantages to creating an account.  See WP:WHY.  Dismas |(talk) 09:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

uriel linn - mistype of the name
hi,

there is amistake with the tiltle of the article.

the name should be "Uriel Lynn" not "Uriel Linn". the problem is also in the description of the picture.

please change it as soon as possible

thank you

eva. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evazavaro1 (talk • contribs) 09:32, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * After checking the sources I have moved the article for you. Changing the name of the picture, File:Uriel Lin.jpg, would break the corresponding articles in the French and Hebrew Wikipedias, so I don't think this is a good idea.
 * If you are the same person as, please make sure you use just one of the accounts in future - see Multiple Accounts. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:03, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ITYM, Czech and Hebrew Wikipedias. There is no page for him on the French Wikipedia and the english language page iw-links to Czech and Hebrew on which the image is also used.Naraht (talk) 12:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ITYM, Czech and Hebrew Wikipedias. There is no page for him on the French Wikipedia and the english language page iw-links to Czech and Hebrew on which the image is also used.Naraht (talk) 12:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I should have mentioned that once you have made 10 edits and been registered for four days, you will be able to do this yourself. Moving a page has the details. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Discussion Question
Sorry I know that this is not the place to ask, but I'm new! I want to participate in a discussion but all I can find is edit the ongoing discussions... Help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geo7889 (talk • contribs) 11:17, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * When you want to participate in a discussion, you have to edit the relevant talk page. You should bring up new topics at the bottom of a talk page in a separate section by clicking the 'New section' tab. If you want to respond to a previous comment, you place your response on a new line below that comment and indent it by typing : as the first character of your response. And please remember to sign your comments by typing ~ at the end of your post. See also Help:Using talk pages. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:32, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Avoid being categorized when demonstrating a template
Sometimes one may wish to demonstrate how a template works on a doc page or other places. However if transclude the template directly, this page is likely to be categorized unnecessarily if that template adds pages to a certain categories. Is there any way to avoid is, besides subst the template and then manually delete the categories? Because that makes is all messy--Ben.MQ (talk) 14:06, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Templates have never been my strong point, but I think this is what you need. TN X Man  14:09, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well... sorry I was not clear. Say I have a maintainance template ugly page that categorises every page into Category:Ugly page. However I want to show how this template looks like on the /doc page, what can I do? noinclude does not help here. Is there anyway to get ride of the category.--Ben.MQ (talk) 14:23, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's only possible if the template is coded for it. See Category suppression. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:36, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you could code two templates: ugly_page_doc and ugly_page. ugly_page_doc would be the "ugly page" template without catting, and ugly_page would (1) redirect/resolve to ugly_page_doc and (2) categorize pages on which it is as "ugly." That way, you could put ugly_page on ugly pages, and put ugly_page_doc on the doc page (or on any page which isn't ugly but merely shows what the ugly_page template looks like), which would display like the "ugly_page" template but not cat the doc page as "ugly."
 * However, I don't know much about WP templates, and I cannot even confirm that that kind of template coding is even legal by WP policies. Sorry, but I hope that helps anyway. 217.254.183.55 (talk) 07:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Vincent Browne
The material published about me is inaccurate in a number of respects.

1. I did not start College Tribune in the 1960's when I was at UCD. I was one of those involved in the launch of College Tribune in the 1980's.

2. I did not seek a nomination to stand as a candidate for Fine Gael in 1994 or at any other time, nor was I rebuffed by John Bruton or by anybody else in Fine Gael. I was asked by John Bruton to stand for Fine Gel ,in the 1994 elections to the European Parliament. Having considered the offer for few days I declined the offer. Later in 1994 when it seemed there might be a general election, there were discussions against with John Bruton this time about I standing in a general elector for the Dail. I had discussions with a few others in Fine Gael also and gghen decided I should not join the party or stand for election.

3. The contention that there was a plan to assassinate me by placing a bomb on my boat is not credible for I never had a boat. I was informed there was a plan to assassinate me but I was not informed how it was proposed to carry out that plan.

Vincent Browne — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.47.187.209 (talk) 14:16, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * This is good information, but there are two things you need to do. 1) This is not the place to post that information, you should instead bring it up for discussion at Talk:Vincent Browne, the discussion page of the article in question 2) If you want changes made to the article, you should provide reliable sources which other people can read which can verify the changes you wish to make.  This is nothing personal; even though you are the subject of the article future readers will want to be able to verify the content of our articles, so we need solid, written, published references so they can do that.  -- Jayron  32  14:43, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Pashtun Wikipedia
Hi, can you tell me if we have a Pashtun (Afghan) Wikipedia, or if there are any incubator projects or plans to make one? Thanks, Ocaasit 17:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes there is, see its Main Page. – ukexpat (talk) 17:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Ocaasit 17:59, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Theflyonthewall.com
There are two complaints regarding this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheFlyOnTheWall.com  While it is factually correct about a lawsuit, the implication from the first sentence is that we are out of business, which is not the case. Also, no description of what we do is included. We, therefore, request that that the article be replaced with the following: Theflyonthewall.com is a financial news and information website with its headquarters located in Summit, NJ. TheFly (as it is often referred to) has been serving the individual and professional investment community worldwide for more than 12 years. Or, if you prefer, you can use the following which comes directly from our website: (advertising removed) Maggiefly (talk) 20:11, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read our policies on conflicts of interest and the prohibtion of advertising.Jasper Deng (talk) 20:16, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have tweaked the lead to remove that implication, but we are certainly not going to use text from the company's website, as it is far too promotional. I have also proposed the article for deletion as not demonstrating notability. – ukexpat (talk) 20:17, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

BLPs with risky words - help
I'm working towards identifying new BLPs that contain words that imply the article wants to be closely monitored. To do this task I'd like a list of 'risky words'. So far, I've got: IF you could add more ideas here it would be most useful: Regards, SunCreator (talk) 21:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * scandal(s)
 * affair(s)
 * murder(ed/s)
 * libel
 * law-suit(s)
 * law suit(s)
 * assassin(ated)
 * kille(r/d)
 * rape(d)
 * rapist
 * (super)injunction
 * terror(ist/ism)


 * Well, I find that any bio that mentions that someone is gay always merits close scrutiny, our vandals seem to be obsessed about that. Quasi  human  &#124;  Talk  22:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not looking for short term vandalism. The various vandal bots handle that. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 22:46, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * notorious
 * infamous
 * subversive
 * legendary
 * genocide/genocidal
 * fraud(ulent)
 * -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  00:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

--Bbb23 (talk) 00:37, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * lawsuit(s) - never seen it spelled with a hyphen, not often two words
 * controvers(y/ial)
 * assault(ed)
 * sexual
 * arrest
 * convict(ion/ed)
 * sue(d)
 * attack

Expand Language template seems not to work
Why doesn't this article go into this category ? Instead, it keeps staying in this category even after an edit. -- Juergen 91.52.165.161 (talk) 22:50, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * That was a bit tricky but I fixed it with . A template returned a wrong character which caused the category name to not be recognized. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:59, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

my info
I've updated my info on the wiki page. My old bio was incomplete so I've updated it with current work. How will I know if this falls into wiki format? Thanks in advance? Also may I link my website to your site? This post and my bio updated by Michael Burger.24.182.34.181 (talk) 23:59, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It does not. The new text was not neutral, rather promotional and broke a template. Please read WP:COI on why you shouldn't edit your own bio. Jarkeld (talk) 00:09, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

CSPWC's Royal Collection Project
This article has been tagged as an orphan and unreviewed article. There are two sites that link to the article: "Canadian Society of Painters in Water Colour" and "The Arts and Letters Club of Toronto". Can an editor please help? It would be great to see these tags removed. Thank you. Artisforme (talk) 18:41, 19 June 2011 (UTC)