Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 June 22

= June 22 =

Help please
I'm User 6.18.2011, and I've got a formatting problem on my talk page. If you have the time to come on over here that would be just wonderful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Since 6.18.2011 (talk • contribs) 00:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there is no user with that username. Ryan Vesey (talk) 00:25, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes there is i changed it. sorry bout that i kinda made an error — Preceding unsigned comment added by Since 6.18.2011 (talk • contribs) 00:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem appears to be in the internal bracketed links of the text (within the template). Hopefully, someone here knows how to fix that (I don't short of removing them). If not, you can try posting your question at WP:VPT.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:02, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Ryan Vesey, if you ever look here, I just want to let you know that I absolutely appreciate any and all help by you. Thanks! A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 00:15, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

User talk page template
I would like to add a template to my user talk page stating that I will reply on my own page if they post there and that users should reply on their page if I post there. Where can I find a template for this? Ryan Vesey (talk) 01:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * See Usertalkback, Usertalkconcise, User talk, User talk rules, User talk top and .--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:45, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ryan Vesey (talk) 01:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:31, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Moving other people's comments
What's our policy on moving other people's talk page comments? If I write a message on someone's user talk page and they delete it, and then repost it on an article's talk page, is that okay? I know that we can link to comments, and I know that deleting posts from one's talk page acknowledges that you've read the comment; but what about moving other people's comments onto other pages without asking them? Is there a policy on that? — Fly by Night  ( talk )  03:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * A few diffs would be nice so we can comment on your specific problem. -- Jayron  32  03:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Even without diffs, in short Wikipedia states that you can do whatever you want with the comments on your own talk page. I am not aware of any policy stating that you cannot move a comment from a user talk page to a talk page of another page. Ryan Vesey (talk) 03:11, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If you were trying to discuss article content on his talk page, and he didn't want to discuss it privately, it was a good thing thing for him to do: (except for WP:BRD discussions) discussion of article content normally belongs on the article talk page so that all editors can be a party to it. —teb728 t c 04:04, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You all make valid points. My main problem was having my old comments and an old time stamp moved over to another page. It makes it very difficult to verify that what has been posted is what I wrote, and when it was written. My date stamp says one time, the page diff says another time, and then two pages diffs need to be compared to verify if what was posted was what I said. I know that people can delete if they want, and I know they can link; but moving things feels a bit like having my words kidnapped. — Fly by Night  ( talk )  00:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Move article
Will somebody please move the article A. P. Moller-Maersk Group to "A.P. Moller - Maersk Group"? The reason for moving the article is that the correct name of the company is "A.P. Moller - Maersk Group". I am having some problems about moving the article myself. --ANCJensen (talk) 03:56, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Please, remove the interval between "A." and "P." --ANCJensen (talk) 04:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I have moved the article instead to Maersk, per our policy on titling articles by the common name used in reliable English language sources to refer to the topic. In this case, a Google Books search shows Maersk to be the common name by a truly vast margin.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Did you search on the website www.books.google.com on "Maersk" and afterwards on "A.P. Moller – Maersk Group", or...? --ANCJensen (talk) 04:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I searched <"A.P Moller" "Maersk Group"> (374 hits) vs.  (65,500 hits) and then scrolled through the first few pages of the latter search to make sure it wasn't picking up a lot of false positives.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Nurtrional value of wheat grass
I am in remission 3 years with tongue cancer. Opt not to go for radiation and went the alternative route ie carrot beetroot and wheat/ barley juice. Please advise why there is a difference between the nutritional values in the studies by Irvine Analytical Laboratories and in the book of Steve Meyerowitz data from USDA Nutrient Data Laboratory? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.30.238.56 (talk) 04:31, 22 June 2011 (UTC) We cannot offer medical advice. Please see the medical disclaimer, and contact an appropriate medical professional. --  Phantom Steve .alt/ talk \[alternative account of Phantomsteve] 05:11, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Regarding the differences in the nutritional values, we don't have an article about either Irvine Analytical Laboratories or Steve Meyerowitz (or his book). You could ask this at the Science Reference Desk --  Phantom Steve .alt/ talk \[alternative account of Phantomsteve] 05:11, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 41.30.238.56, this isn't the place for that question. Please go to a doctor. Thanks. A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 00:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Watchlist troubles
How come is FuckKorea, a page that has never existed, in my watchlist? I have also noticed that Reference desk/Language sometimes (about 2 or 3 times so far) disappears from my watchlist, and I certainly haven't ever removed it from there. (This refdesk is the page that I open most often, and I would usually read it while logged out; I usually only log in when I wish to make an edit to a page). Is there a reason for me to worry that my account may have been compromised? --Theurgist (talk) 04:41, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The Ref Desks often vanish from my watchlist because the last edit was made by a bot and I have bot edits hidden. This may be similar to why they don't show for you as well.  Dismas |(talk) 04:48, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No no. This desk disappears from the list, as if I have chosen to stop watching it. Besides, I don't have bot edits hidden and always see them. --Theurgist (talk) 04:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Either the article did exist at one time, was deleted and then the entry in the logs removed by oversighting, or someone added it to your watchlist. If it wasn't you, could someone have used your account while you were logged in but away from the computer? I would suggest changing your password and checking your contributions for anything dodgy - I'll look at your deleted contributions in a few hours when I'm at home and can log into my main, admin, account, if you want me to. --  Phantom Steve .alt/ talk \[alternative account of Phantomsteve] 05:20, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I would be grateful if you do it, because the edit counter says I have made 3 deleted edits. I remember 2 of them: one was a comment on the talk page of a file last summer (the file must have been deleted later), and the other was when I placed a template on a redirect page to request its deletion so an uncontroversial move could be performed. I can't think of a third deleted edit right now, but I might, of course, be forgetting something. --Theurgist (talk) 05:47, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The third was Category:2011–12 in European football (soccer) navigational boxes, which you created and which was deleted because it was empty. Regarding the phantom page, what often happens is that a page that is on your watchlist is the target of move vandalism, the move is then undone, but the page that it was moved to becomes part of your watchlist. Here, as above, there must have been oversighting. I highly doubt someone hijacked your account and then all they did was edit your watchlist to add a random false title (very few people even know titles can be manually added). But as above, go change your password and make sure it's a strong one.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks all :) --Theurgist (talk) 18:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Totally messed up AFD.
I obviously did something wrong here. It doesn't show up in the actual article. The last time I filed an AFD was several years ago. Can someone move this for me? Wikifan Be nice 08:42, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * See WP:AFDHOWTO. You did "step two" only. I have done steps one and three for you. I'll left you to notify the page creator. If you use Twinkle, it will do all three steps for you and notify the page creator as well. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:25, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. Wikifan Be nice  11:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

steve wright DJ
I was trying to find information on Steve wrights TV show that he had in the 90's it was called i am sure The One Show it was a saturday night show with live guests and stupid acts performed by members of the public and I was on one of the shows but his TV show is not mentioned in his career you only have his radio shows. This show came after his radio one show please can you help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.140.53 (talk) 09:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The place to discuss article content is on the article's discussion page, in this case Talk:Steve Wright (DJ). —teb728 t c 09:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The show you're thinking of is probably The Steve Wright People Show. We have no more information about the show on Wikipedia. --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

List of Local D.O. Doctors
I am trying to find a new doctor and have been advised by an M.D. to see a D.O., but he did not refer me to anyone, telling me to go online and look. I have been unable to find any! I found one DoctorList but my search came up with totally NO doctors for this area!! Does swikipedia have local doctor listings somewhere I can't find? How do I find a listing of D.O. doctors in my area (13501, 13502)? 74.79.117.61 (talk) 10:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No. Jim.henderson (talk) 10:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No, Wikipedia doesn't have such a list nor will it any time soon. Call your doctor and ask for a referral.  Dismas |(talk) 10:55, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

listen to .mid files
hello,

I am not able to listen to .mid files. I just see the link to the file and by clicking on it I come to the file page. There I see an icon and inside a note. Is it just me? Should I download a special software? Thank you.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ Share– a– Power[citation needed] 11:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * File:Example.mid
 * If I double-click on the "note" icon I jump to yet another screen where the audio starts to play. That's with Windows Vista and Firefox 3.6.15. Any joy? -- John of Reading (talk) 11:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool, but is it possible to play it directly, not clicking two times. Thank you.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ Share– a– Power[citation needed] 16:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

How to clean up a specific article
I try to clean up List of conglomerates. The article contains a large amount of entries without any verification, that the company in question actually is a conglomerate. I already provided sources for some of the entries and moved them to a separate section: 'Current conglomerates'. I tagged all unreferenced entries in the article with a citation needed tag. Now my question is how should I proceed with this article? It seems unreferenced new entries are being added faster than I am able to verify the existing ones. Should I simply remove all unreferenced entries? Is there a good place where I could request help with referencing or cleaning up this article? Any help is appreciated. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The talk page mentions criteria at Talk:List_of_conglomerates. Discussion would sensibly start there.  You might also consider discussion at WT:COMPANIES. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:26, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think what is proposed at Talk:List_of_conglomerates is an acceptable solution, since this article is not a disambiguation page and therefore requires references for verification.


 * I already posted a question at WT:COMPANIES and it took over a month to receive a reply. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Logo Removal
I was trying to edit the UNDP page to remove the UN logo and replace the updated UNDP one. I've managed to put the updated UNDP logo into the info box but cannot remove the incorrect logo.



United Nations Development Programme

This is the source code from the page source that needs to be deleted. However, it doesn't show up in the wiki edits page code. Can someone please delete it for me or tell me how to do it? Thanks!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hqny (talk • contribs) 14:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You are getting this problem because the MediaWiki software only recognises some HTML. To display the image, place Small_Flag_of_the_United_Nations_ZP.svg . For info on other wikicode, visit Cheatsheet. Island Monkey talk the talk 14:51, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually that tag is rendered code not source code. And the File:Small Flag of the United Nations ZP.svg comes from Infobox United Nations; that template always shows the UN flag image and has no provision for removing or replacing it. You can, however, add an additional image of a UN programme, which you have done for UNDP. —teb728 t c 23:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Offline editing program
Are there any official or unofficial programes I casn use to edit wikimedia code outside my webbrowser window. Iamiyouareyou (talk) 15:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Does this page help? It looks a little technical to me, but it may answer your question. TN X Man  15:45, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * You can get some of the benefits of an external editor by using WikEd, which can be enabled in the gadgets tab of your preferences. – ukexpat (talk) 16:25, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Was this racist?
So there was something earlier on this page, and I'm not sure where else to ask, but was this Help_desk/Archives/2011_June_18 comment I made racist in anyone else's eyes? Look at the latter bit of the convo and where the fellow placed the cross/dagger. Am I not seeing something here? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 15:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * No, the accusation of racism (unsigned) makes no sense. It's hard to even rebut it as it lacks any foundation.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:41, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything either. Possibly someone is upset at the confusion of the language codes. TN X Man  15:41, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Was there some misunderstanding of the exclamation "Whoops", possibly confusing it with that old pejorative term "wop"???? Otherwise, I'm stimied. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  15:45, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * But wop is a pejorative term for Italians or people of Italian descent, not for Afghanis or Iranis.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:51, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Well the guy who left it is User:Since 6.18.2011. It's not even confusion over the codes, as far as at least two international standards are concerned, they are basically the same, and the Dari-speaking gentleman said they were (as does the wiki article). @Orange: one would wonder why I would start off with a pejorative against Italians of course. :p Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 15:47, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You could ask on User talk:Since 6.18.2011 for an explanation, since that user seems to have ignored your question on the archived help desk page. The user did not sign his or her post, which suggests he or she does not yet have a solid understanding of Wikipedia, so I wouldn't worry too much if you don't get an explanation. Also note that Wikipedia must be understandable to people around the world, so it is best to stick with standard English and avoid nonstandard abbreviations such as "convo". --Teratornis (talk) 16:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Personally, I would forget about it. However, if you wish, you could ask the user. His or her edit history in the few days since registration has been a little odd, though, so I'm not sure whether any response would be helpful.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * You said "…is there much difference between the two?" Wasn't that in reference to "Dari" and "Farsi"? You are lumping together two language groups into one. That could conceivably be offensive to someone. If I am misunderstanding any of this I stand corrected and apologize in advance. But that is my understanding of it. Dari links to Dari (Persian). Farsi links to Persian language. Bus stop (talk) 16:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * @Tera:convo is a pretty well-known abbreviation as far as I know, and even someone who doesn't know it would usually understand it by the context. @Bbb, yeah, but I want to make sure I'm not being offensive without my knowledge. When I am offensive, I am normally offensive with full knowledge that I am being offensive. @Bus stop: It's not lumping two language groups (such as Romance or Germanic) together, but asking a native speaker what are the differences between a language that is referred to as court Persian and a language whose name is Persian (Farsi - Parsi - Persis - Persia), and then getting the response that they are basically the same language. :p It also cannot be denied that the language codes are in fact the same for the first two things. There's also this from the Dari article "Dari, which is also simply called Farsi (Persian) by its native-speakers, is one of the two official languages of Afghanistan (the other being Pashto)."Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 17:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * When speaking of identities my assumption is that there is significance to an identity. If there is significance to an identity then it follows that there is a significant difference between two identities.


 * But I don't know—I could be guessing wrong. You could ask the User on his/her Talk page what was meant by the comment that we are discussing. Bus stop (talk) 17:25, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I should add that I don't think this is "racist" in any way. I am not sure if my analysis is even correct. But if it is correct, the wording is at worst slightly insensitive, and I wouldn't worry about it. Bus stop (talk) 23:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The guy left another comment on my talk saying he had made a mistake. There is a dif between the cultures, not the languages apparently. Meh, if the native speaker felt it wasn't insensitive I ain't worried). :p Case closed. :p Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 11:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Editing a Deleted Page
Hi, is there a way I can edit a page I have already submitted and that has been deleted due to self-advertising? I took the information off of the site thinking that would be safe but understand that it needs to be much more informational and objective and was wondering if I could go back to that page to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaysom09 (talk • contribs) 15:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I can restore it as a user subpage (assuming no copyvio issues) so you can work on it - would that work?-- SPhilbrick  T  15:41, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Is this the one? If so, done. User:Shaysom09/Cloud Pro-- SPhilbrick  T  15:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * But you might as well just delete all the text and start from scratch. Trying to make small edits to the existing text to make it less promotional is an exercise in futility. – ukexpat (talk) 15:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Irrational edits
User: Foodie 377 has been doing irrational editing/reverting in Template:Caste Groups of India (Kamma). Even after providing citations that were required, the revert game is going on. I tried to convince the person on talk page but in vain. Please help.Kumarrao (talk) 16:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It appears that Alexf placed a tag on his talk page regarding WP:RRR, so hopefully that will be sufficient. If his actions continue you can report him over at WP:AN3. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

User was blocked for edit warring. Tiggerjay (talk) 04:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

christopher plummer movies (including televiosion or cable) about time travel and JFK
there was a film, starring christopher plummer as a professor whoes son died in vietnam and the professor invented a time machine,went to dallas in 1963 to prevent kennedy assasination on therory that kennedy planned to end the vietnam war, but the result was a nuclear war; what was the name of that movie? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.99.196.169 (talk) 18:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * While the help desk is about Wikipedia related items, I did find the answer for you at List of time travel science fiction. The movie is called, A Time to Remember. Ryan Vesey (talk) 18:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I should pay more attention. The book the movie is based on is called A Time to Remember, the movie is called Running Against Time.  Ryan Vesey (talk) 18:21, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * But Christopher Plummer does not appear to be in it. – ukexpat (talk) 18:43, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It must have been a confusion on the part of the asker. This is the only movie that fits the description, and it fits the description very well. Ryan Vesey (talk) 19:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Page move history
Is there a way to sort my contribution history so that I can see only my page moves?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * See here. (Starting on your contributions page, I clicked the "logs" link and then selected "Move log" from the dropdown.) —teb728 t c 19:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Video from youtube as reference
Hello I wanted to help update the moment of truth (us game show) page with a small article and video link to a 500,000 winner that might not have aired in the USA and I got some issues saying I didn't do something right can I get some help on what to do..

Thanks, winddragon04 18:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)18:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)18:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)18:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)18:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winddragon04 (talk • contribs)
 * The source in question, a Youtube video, cannot be used as it appears to be a copyright violation, see Copyrights. These can never be linked to, never mind used as sources. The other issue is that you will need a source that directly supports the text you have written, see WP:No original research. Rehevkor ✉  19:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Why My Article every time deleted.
Dear sir,

i have published a article on a Devotional Music Singer Karan Sharda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karan_Sharda

But i got message of deletion. Can you confirm specific reason.

1. Is there any problem with singer that is not so famous and you only accept very famous people.

2. is there any wording spelling mistake.

tell me clearly the reason.

Regards Gurpreet Singh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gurpreetinet (talk • contribs) 19:27, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * All biographies of living people must have at least one reference. In addition, there is nothing in the article to establish notability. Ryan Vesey (talk) 19:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As well as reliable sources. Island Monkey talk the talk 19:31, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * For more on our standards of notability for musicians, see WP:MUSICBIO. Additionally, the tone was so worshipful that the articles could have been deleted as advertisements anyway; see our expectations on neutral point of view. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  19:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * So, the specific reason would be that the singer is not so famous. In order to meet the notability requirements for a singer the person must meet one of the criteria found in the link I offered. Ryan Vesey (talk) 19:33, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * But note that notability ≠ fame. – ukexpat (talk) 17:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

RSS - disputed structure not mosque
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:85.210.14.181&redirect=no

I was told I was having a general discussion. I was not. I was pointing out the inherent bias in the term disputed structure.

Wiki should provide as close to the objective truth as possible. The article is written by an RSS-apologist as the use of the said term instead of Mosque makes clear.

He based his justification of the term on a govt. of India link, which doesn't work, so we don't know if it was referring to the Mosque as it existed or the debate over what will replace it.

I then provided 5 links BBC, Guardian, Times, NYT, Washington Post, which all used the term mosque, as well as a google link showing that the commonly accepted term is Mosque.

723,000 search returns refer to the Ayodhya Mosque. 48,000 refer to disputed structure, but many of these seemed to include the term Mosque in relation to it as well.

And what about the fascist basis?

http://www.jstor.org.libezproxy.open.ac.uk/stable/4408848?seq=3&Search=yes&searchText=mussolini&searchText=rss&list=show&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3D%2528mussolini%2Brss%2529%26gw%3Djtx%26acc%3Don%26prq%3D%2528fascism%2Bitalian%2BRSS%2529%26Search%3DSearch%26hp%3D25%26wc%3Don&prevSearch=&item=2&ttl=124&returnArticleService=showFullText&resultsServiceName=null

Why is this not mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.14.181 (talk) 21:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * This complaint doesn't really belong here. That said, as near as I can make out, the IP posted a message on the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh Talk page. His change was reverted and labeled "vandalism" here. The same editor then posted a notice on the Talk page "referring" the IP to Demolition of Babri Masjid. The editor also posted an (unsigned, although probably inadvertent) notice on the IP's Talk page.


 * First, the use of the term "vandalism" was wrong. Although not the most coherent message, it couldn't properly be construed as vandalism. Second, the IP was addressing a sentence in the Sangh article that he was saying was incorrect, so, arguably, it wasn't proper to remove the material per WP:TPG. I haven't done anything about it, but I'm tempted to revert the editor who removed the IP's material. I wouldn't mind someone else taking a gander at this first, though. These kinds of articles usually generate a fair amount of controversy.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * FTR-I have made absolutely NO edits to the article page in question (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh). I only watch it because of the potential for vandalism and POV edits.  Maybe what the guy above did would not be considered de-facto "vandalism" to the talk page, but he had added two very large rants to it, both under identical headings, that were full of POV nonsense (as can be seen in the above message from him).  I have nothing to do with the naming of the "Disputed Structure" edit, and was trying to circumvent the talk page turning into a war zone, especially since it's obvious that The IP doesn't understand how to cite things on Wikipedia, especially that JSTOR article above.  (Though what Mussolini had to do with the Babri Masjid demolition, I have no idea...)  Bryonmorrigan (talk) 02:24, 23 June 2011 (UTC)