Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 March 13

= March 13 =

Updates with new information from 2010 census
Can you please tell me when the new updates for information from the 2010 census will be entered into the system? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.13.4 (talk) 02:09, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well there are tens of thousands of pages to update census info, so no way to tell when. Feel free to help though. C T J F 8 3  02:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 2010 US Census is devoted to trying to figure out what to do with the articles in question. Sumsum2010 · T · C  02:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Weidmann's Restaurant
Back in July 2010, I wrote the Weidmann's Restaurant article. At the time of writing, there was no "official" website for the restaurant; however, in this edit today, an IP editor (75.65.120.36 - the Geolocation tool says the contributor is in Meridian, Mississippi, where the restaurant is located so they may be affiliated with the restaurant) added an apparently new official site. The site in question, located here, seems to have copied nearly word for word the Wikipedia article, and it also includes File:Weidmanns.JPG, photoshopped to remove the "Opening Soon" sign in the original, uploaded by me at the same time I wrote the article.

To anyone visiting the article for the first time, it would appear that both the article and the picture are blatant copyright violations, but I can assure you they are not. The text in the article is referenced with 14 different citations from third party websites, and the picture's metadata clearly shows that it was taken by my camera. I don't know how to prove that the website wasn't created when I created the article, so I don't really know how to defend against any future copyvio accusers. I realize that no one has complained yet - and possibly probably never will - but I'd like to have something somewhere to point to if someone does complain. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to handle the situation? Should I contact the site's creator(s) and ask him/her/them to at least show attribution to me and/or Wikipedia? I uploaded the file under the cc-by-sa-3.0 license... not so sure about the licensing restrictions for the text, but I think a small note or something on the website would be helpful in defending the article. Any help? Thanks!--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 03:41, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Some of what you suggested sounds good-- you should be able to send an e-mail to their webmaster (often a webmaster@... address, but check their website) and let them know. If that doesn't work, try their registry information (from a WHOIS search), and that is required to have contact information. Another thing to do is to put your note here on the talk page, as a kind of documentation. I don't know the details of the licensing (and I'm not going to give you legal advice per se), but I know the licenses used here generally allow for reuse. Wabbott9 (talk) 03:58, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)Perhaps,try to findout when the website was created. This way you can prove, to the day, which was created first. Sumsum2010 · T · C  04:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Problem: This WHOIS report says the domain was registered on June 11, 2010. Apparently the site was up and running at the time I created the article, but I guess maybe it wasn't popular enough to be returned in the top results of Google? Now it is returned as the 5th result. I guess I'll just contact the webmaster and ask them about it then?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 04:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm.. maybe try to find an archived version of the site.(before July 7 2010) Sumsum2010 · T · C  23:58, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * No such luck :\.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 04:20, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The earliest thing I can find on the site is this feed dated September 22, 2010. I emailed the webmaster through the Contact Us form on the website. If I haven't gotten a reply in a few days, I may call them; there's a number on the site. Thanks for all the help!--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 04:39, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

inappropriate pictures
Is the picture at the following link inappropriate for Wikipedia since it depicts pornographic images of genitalia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fluffer_on_set.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.53.182.14 (talk) 04:21, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello. Wikipedia is not censored, so images like that are allowed. BurtAlert (talk) 04:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

How do I add the "No Free Image Available" template to an article such as Jack Pelton in the Infobox?
How do I add the "No Free Image Available" template to an article such as Jack Pelton in the Infobox?--Jax 0677 (talk) 05:17, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Add to the infobox:
 * | image = Replace this image male.svg
 * alt        = No free image available. Do you own one? Click here.
 * I have used this setup because this article is about a male but we have another for a female and a generic for non-humans.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:50, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It does not look like it is prohibited but I'm under the impression that the place holder image is frowned upon. The note on that file links to some archived discussions and says: "here was significant opposition to the use of images such as Replace this image female and this one." Is my understanding correct or is anyone more familiar with the situation?Cptnono (talk) 05:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware of any controversy but I'm going to look now.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems the results of a sprawling discussion are posted at Centralized discussion/Image placeholders/Archive 2.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:05, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

issue reverting vandalism
I was trying to revert a page blank |the blanking |what I was unable to restore but due to the spam filter I cannot. I'm not really sure where to raise it, but that a reference has to be lost due to a page blank doesn't seem right. Where should I go to have it addressed? Monty 845 (talk) 06:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Examiner.com is not a reliable source (see here). I tried visiting the lost reference and got a lot of nasty popups. IMO we’re better off without it. —teb728 t c 07:33, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Probable homework assignment
write a letter to the editor of a youth magazine in which you request him or her to publish more news and articles of environmental issues.provide appropriate reasons for your request —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.114.224.2 (talk) 06:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * —teb728 t c 06:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Driving License - Transfer
Hi Team,

I am currently residing in the United Arab Emirates-Dubai.

I have a driving License which I gained while living in the Isle Of Man (United Kingdom).

Unfortunately in the UAE they do not recognised the Isle Of Man as part of the United Kingdom and therefore refuse to supply me with a local driving licence. I was told that the DVLA would be able to change my license over to UK license. Can you please inform me of the procedures and requirements?

I greatly appreciate your help with this.

Warm Regards

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.200.62.98 (talk) 09:27, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You might try the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in answering knowledge questions there. This help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: [ click here] . However please note that we cannot give legal advice. I have also removed your contact details not only from this page but from this page's history. We do not respond by mail, email or telephone to questions posted here and this is a very public forum.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:17, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks to me that you should be talking to the DVLA directly, perhaps starting at this web page. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Quality assurance Paul Fiddes
This article is largely unstructured, and it has a list of nearly all publications of this person (is this the intention in articles about writers / Scientists?). Can someone add the appropriate cleanup templates ? I am not really aware of it in the English WP --188.110.59.133 (talk) 09:35, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅; I add some. maybe more could add. Mostly new time should be investigated to cleanup the article... mabdul 14:27, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks ! Plehn (talk) 17:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Forsvar i Aaret 1864 danish book written in 1865 by Otto Christian Hammer
Dear Sir, Madam,

I h ope I am onto the correct people but I am trying to download the above book which I have googled and found okay but I can only translate it page by page into English and seeing there 114 pages it will take me forever to photocopy. I am asking for help to how I can have the whole book translated from Danish into english so as I can print it off.

Otto Christian Hammer is a distant relative of mine and I am living in Australia and do not speak Danish, I would love to have an ENglish copy of his work.

my email is  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.149.86.1 (talk) 10:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I found your book in Google Books and then clicked "plain text" to arrive here; then the arrow keys show me five pages at a time. That shouldn't be too bad.
 * I see that you've asked this question at the Google Books help forum. You may get a better answer there; this is Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia, and this is the Help desk for those using the encyclopedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:40, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * (e/c) I have not located an actual translated version and it seems you are talking about using machine translation. If so, what you can do is convert the page to plain text through Google books and then drop the URL into Google translate. Once there (and here's a direct link), you can print it out directly, page by page. For ease you can use and then hit ; then click on the continue button at the bottom of the page and repeat that until the end of the book is reached—shouldn't take but 20 minutes or so.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:45, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm Danish. The full title of the book is as listed at Otto Christian Hammer: Vesterhavsøernes Forsvar i Aaret 1864 (The Defending of the North Sea Islands in the Year 1864). Vesterhavet is a Danish name for the North Sea (which is west of Denmark), and Vesterhavsøerne is an old Danish name for the North Frisian Islands (including the Danish Wadden Sea Islands) to the west of Southern Jutland. We also have an article about the war: Second Schleswig War. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:41, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Showing the complete string of digits in of a large number in an article
In the article Repunit, there is an ongoing discussion, whether to include the whole string of digits of numbers like 138502212710103408700774381033135503926663324993317631729227790657325163310341833227775945426052637092067324133850503035623601 in the article. Can someone point me to a guideline, that deals with such a case? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:35, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There's Manual of Style (dates and numbers) but I don't think it sheds any light on the issue. I think you're just going to have to figure it out and get a consensus. Rehevkor ✉  17:32, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Table template
I'm looking at the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Cricket_World_Cup_Group_B There's a table in there I wanted to update, it would appear to be invoked by the following line: 2011 Cricket World Cup Group B in double curly braces.

But I can't figure out how to edit it. Where is this table? Ordinary Person (talk) 15:30, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It is here, Template:2011 Cricket World Cup Group B. GB fan (talk) 15:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * If you click the "Edit" tab or preview then the bottom of the window shows links to the transcluded templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:54, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, GB fan and PrimeHunter, very useful.Ordinary Person (talk) 17:43, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Help!
Where can I get someone to help me edit and create a new page. (This one in particular: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Toontown59153/Woods_Runner) --Toontown59153 (talk) 20:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Responding to users talk page. C T J F 8 3  21:26, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * (e/c) After sampling some of the articles mentioned in the navbox, it's not clear to me how any of these books meet WP:NBOOK. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Shared content
Hi everyone - I'm failing with Google again.

I'm trying to find out the Wikipedia policies for when two pages share very similar content - so the examples I'm looking at are that the last two paragraphs of the Augmentative_and_alternative_communication section is delivering the same content as Switch_access_scanning - where can I find the Wikipedia policy that deals with this? I'm wondering if it is fine as it is - or one should be changed to link to the other, or one should be a summary of the other with a link? It would be nice to reduce the size of Augmentative_and_alternative_communication a bit in any case... Failedwizard (talk) 20:06, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you seen Content forking and Merging? -- John of Reading (talk) 21:18, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Basilio
There was a great spanish singer who died like a year ago, his name is Basilio. I go to wikipedia sometimes to read and learn more about his life and his work but there is nothing about Basilio on wikipedia. why isn't there anything about Basilio on wikipedia?

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAL7manNgog&feature=related 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBEJ_GqXYrk&feature=related 3.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KT1rLntE-Q&feature=related —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.4.6 (talk) 21:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I guess that's because Wikipedia is a work in progress. The Spanish Wikipedia has a brief article at es:Basilio (cantante) which you could read via Google Translate. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

using flickr site
Lots of questions have been asked about putting images on wikipedia, I think because the image policy is a bit daunting I think. So the easiest way around is to ask the experts here. Can this image at flickr be uploaded to wikipedia? It has "© All Rights Reserved" on it. 125.239.60.145 (talk) 22:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No, someone could easily go take that picture and replace it with a free image. See WP:NFCC and WP:FLICKR for acceptable licenses. C T J F 8 3  22:06, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There would be copyright concerns even if someone were to take an image and release the image under GFDL or CC-BY-SA. The sculpture itself would be copyrighted.  It could only be used under fair use if it was used in an article to illustrate the sculpture.  GB fan (talk) 22:10, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarification, I understand only the basics of image copyrights, and nothing advanced.  C T J F 8 3  22:12, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * See Commons:COM:CB:
 * "If the original artwork remains in copyright a license from the artist is nearly always needed. Mere physical ownership of an original artwork such as a sculpture does not confer ownership of the copyright: that remains with the artist."
 * To confirm what GB fan wrote - what is the date of creation of the sculpture? It looks recent enough to still be under copyright; in most countries copyright lasts for the life of the artist plus a term ranging from 50 to 90 years. You may like to read the links under Commons:COM:EIC, which do a pretty good job of introducing copyright law as it applies to Wikimedia Foundation projects such as Wikipedia. Copyright law is a substantial barrier to what we are trying to do. Consider voting to abolish it. --Teratornis (talk) 06:53, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thankyou all. My question was about the image, not the subject in the image. I think I now understand. However, it can't be used because of the "© All Rights Reserved" stipulation. But say it was a flickr image of a canary, and it had the "© All Rights Reserved" tag, it could still be used in wiki with a fair use tag to illustrate an article about a canary. And then someone could lift it off Wiki and use it? Without any tag at all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.60.145 (talk) 08:09, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It could only be considered fair-use of a copyrighted image if it meets the WP:FAIR standards. I doubt that a picture of a widely-distributed living species could meet requirement #1 of that policy. As to what readers do with the content (assuming it was legitimately used under the fair-use standards), they are not allowed to reuse it in violation of copyright, but obviously wikipedia cannot enforce that. DMacks (talk) 08:19, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

New edit icon
Could someone provide the appropriate link for making a comment on the new edit icon? Cynwolfe (talk) 22:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Please link us to what the "new edit icon" is. C T J F 8 3  22:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw it yesterday but now it's gone. There was for a little while a pencil icon next to the edit link on sections.  And the edit link was not on the far right of the screen but right next to the section heading.  Dismas |(talk) 23:11, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, sounds like a test of some sort, and looks back to normal. C T J F 8 3  23:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Curious. I'm still getting the icon as described by Dismas. I saw it for the first time this afternoon, after I updated my browser software and logged back on (and not before I updated). I like the positioning, and think it solves layout problems, but find it visually distracting when reading articles with a lot of shorter sections. So I wanted to ask a question about it. Cynwolfe (talk) 23:50, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There's info about this in this week's Signpost. Dismas |(talk) 01:55, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of image/page
Please, delete the image File:Steinway & Sons logo 500px.png, that I uploaded by mistake. Thank you. --Peoplefromarizona (talk) 23:29, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I have marked it for speedy deletion, since is is a unused non-free image. GB fan (talk) 23:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You could WP:G7 also. C T J F 8 3  23:48, 13 March 2011 (UTC)