Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 March 2

= March 2 =

Search word doesn't go away
Hi, sorry to annoy you, I just have a problem with the Main Page in the last week, in the search field with firefox 3.6.13.

The problem is sometimes when I click on search to look for an article, the greyed word doesn't go away and if for example i'd look for chicken, I get searchchicken, it does not happen that often with firefox 4 beta 12; I didn't test internet explorer myself.

I'll check back later, maybe it's a browser problem and someone can help me make it work.

Thanks in Advance, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.31.235.40 (talk) 01:06, 2 March 2011 (UTC) edit by me, sorry, forgot to sign.190.31.235.40 (talk) 01:14, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It's a known issue. See Village pump (technical)/Archive 86 and 25683. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:14, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I did get the same with a rusty old IE6.0, but only once when it was FAR from finished loading the page . Maybe that helps some techie locate the root of the problem. It is definitely not a pure FF issue. Hope that helps. User.Zero.Zero.Zero.One (talk) 16:17, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Issue at WP:NPOVN
Noticed the Auto-Archiving process is messed up there nothings been Archiving there for a while. The Resident Anthropologist (Talk / contribs) 01:15, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hm, I see. The last time Miszabot archived it was October 23, and someone's been doing it manually at intervals since then. Someone's altered the archiving configuration in the interval since the last successful bot archive; I have just reset with what I believe to be the correct settings; let's see if that fixes it while I look further into what happened. Gonzonoir (talk) 13:17, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The bot archived the board last night, so it's working again. I've left a note on the noticeboard's talk page in case my fix overwrote any desired settings. Gonzonoir (talk) 08:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

How do expand on an existing article (i.e. add to an existing article)
How do expand on an existing article (i.e. add to an existing article)

Thanks, Gmeissner (talk) 02:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * See How to edit a page. If there is a problem with a specific article then please name it. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:28, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Adda a welcome to talk page. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:03, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Strange popup on every page
Every time I visit a Wikipedia page, I get http://imgur.com/AYTvK. What's going on? This is very inconvenient. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.8.177.110 (talk) 05:56, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a new one on me. Since no one has an answer yet on this general board, if the problem is still occurring, it may be worth asking this question at the Village Pump#Technical, for input from users better versed in the site's technical operation. Gonzonoir (talk) 13:06, 2 March 2011 (UTC).
 * Reset your browser cache! maybe this helps. mabdul 13:22, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I would suspect that you have malware on your machine. I may be wrong, though. --ColinFine (talk) 18:54, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Turns out it was something with my hosts file. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.8.177.110 (talk) 05:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Table vertical alignment
At User:TonyTheTiger/Poker template/Profits and User:TonyTheTiger/Poker template/Wins as well as to a lesser extent at User:TonyTheTiger/Poker_template/Best-Worst_Day_Streaks and User:TonyTheTiger/Poker template/Best-Worst Event Streaks, I am having problems with the default alignment as well as the movement of the tables with the use of the show button on the later pages. In the default alignment, the left most section is not horizontally flush.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:36, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, what you have there is personal and completely inappropriate for the User area on Wikipedia: WP:UPNOT.Naraht (talk) 13:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If I were to become a WP:N person, which I hope to be within the next year and a half (I submitted my first script to a production studio last week), I think my online poker career may be notable. I use my userspace to maintain biographical content, until I become notable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You aren't currently a notable person and Wikipedia doesn't deal in "If"s like that. WP:CrystalNaraht (talk) 15:09, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Userfication is the common solution to biographies of currently non-notable people. I see it suggested at WP:AFD all the time.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:26, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * What you have isn't a biography, it is a technical analysis more complete than those of Chris Moneymaker (just to pick someone who is notable for poker) as well as issues about WP:AUTOBIO.Naraht (talk) 15:48, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The tabs at issue are not the biography, but rather a compilation of detailed statistics. If I were to have a biography, only small portions of that might be relevant. Yes the analysis is more detailed than career summaries of all notable poker players, but much of the information is publically available to those wishing to dig through www.sharkscope.com and www.pokerprolabs.com.  The full bio is on a different page and this is a subpage of the full bio.  I am not here to argue about what portions of my content might or might not be excised should I become notable, but rather I am here looking for help on technical matters.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:05, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the compilation of detailed statistics doesn't belong on Wikipedia *at all*, even in the user area. What you have on your userpage is "Writings, information, discussions, and activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals" to quote WP:UPNOT. I'm not doubting whether it is referencable, I'm doubting whether it is relevant". You are correct that you aren't here to argue whether those should be excised, the proper place for that is an MFD. Naraht (talk) 16:14, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If I were a notable person, poker performance could be an encyclopedic topic well within the realm of wikipedia's goals. Many people who are notable have content related to poker performance.  This is not a list of Xbox high scores or intramural football results.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * This isn't even related to how you *want* to be famous. If the screenwriter for Toy Story 3 got a wikipedia page, then their poker stats wouldn't be notable for that either. And yes, I believe that it does fall into the category with Xbox high scores or intermural football results.Naraht (talk) 18:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There are lots of people who are notable for things in the movie and TV industry who have poker content in their articles.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:10, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Name one with anything *close* to the information that you have in your pages. (Not that this means anything about information for someone who isn't notable, but I'm curious)Naraht (talk) 21:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

The point is not what is in other articles. I could point to numerous articles that I have authored that are uncommonly detailed for their subject matter. E.G., for a sports agent, Rob Pelinka is uncommonly detailed. If I become a credited creator and screenwriter of TV shows, my own bio will be uncommonly detailed if I can source anything.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Odd problem
I'm not sure how to approach this problem, so I'm throwing it out there (I hope). I'm not an experienced wiki-editor, so please bear with me.

My problem is with the "frozen dead guy days" site (FDGD) and a proposed new site "frozen dead guy" (FDG). (BTw...I'm the caretaker for the FDG and Director of the IC Institute)

THese are two distinct topics, although at this time the "FDGD" site sort of covers both. One is a Festival, put on by the Chamber of commerce in Nederland and celebrates Neds most famous dead guy....been going on for 10 years now. THe other is Bredo Morstoel, AKA the Frozen Dead Guy, who has been dead and cryonically preserved for over 20 years. THe FDG is much more than the FDGD....although they are related. I tried to create a "FDG" wiki-page, but it re-directed me right to the existing FDGD page.

My questions: 1. Should there be two separate pages on this? and, if so, how to set it up (in the usual way, I assume) and remove the re-direct.(no idea how to do that). 2. Should I set up a page for "Bredo Morstoel", and just tie it in to the festival page? But, should the info relevant to the FDG be removed from the FDGD site?

Not sure how I can hear about this....feel free to contact me Bo the Iceman Iceman (talk) 07:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC) Iceman (talk) 07:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: I have removed the email address posted above, to avoid you getting lots of spam. I assume this is regarding and the redirect   Chzz  ►  07:34, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Q: Should there be two separate pages on this? Depends on how much information about each topic has been published. The Frozen Dead Guy Days article main topic would be the annual celebration, but it could discuss the Frozen Dead Guy as well. A Frozen Dead Guy article main topic would be the frozen aspect of the person, but it could discuss the annual celebration. A Bredo Morstoel or Bredo Morstøl article main topic would be a biography on Morstoel (childhood, career, death, etc.), which also could bring up Frozen Dead Guy and Frozen Dead Guy Days. Q. remove the re-direct.(no idea how to do that). If you type over the re-direct text "#REDIRECT Frozen Dead Guy Days" inside the Frozen Dead Guy page, it removes the redirect. Q: Should I set up a page for "Bredo Morstoel"? It depends on what the reliable sources have chosen to write about. My gut feeling is that all this can be covered by the Frozen Dead Guy Days article. However, when there is enough text in a given subtopic to merit its own article, that text can be summarized from the present article and a link provided to the more detailed article. See Summary style. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:00, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deleted from my User Space within hours!
Hi

I was working on an article (my first) in my user space, which was deleted by an administrator within hours named RHaworth.

The help text says" Consider creating the article on your user page first. If you have a user id, (which you must have if you are considering creating a new article), you also have your own area to start working on a new article; you can get it in shape there, take your time, and only move it into the "live" Wikipedia once it is ready for prime time. (Note: the Article Wizard has an option to create these kind of draft pages.)"

So I did not expect a work in progress to be deleted in this way, as it was not publicly available.

Admins such as RHaworth are a sure fire way of putting off any new contributors to wikipedia. (probably his cause I would suspect).

The page was deleted because it was deemed to be unambiguous promotion. It may have appeared that way as it was by no means finished.

Is there a mechanism for complaint about this issue?

Thanks

Matt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattgallop (talk • contribs) 08:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I see that RHaworth restored User:Mattgallop/Cakeboy. Your post to his talk page was a good way to go. —teb728 t c 09:35, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Tarique Mustafa's Page Recreation
Hi Wiki Help Desk,

I have a few questions regarding to my article that has been deleted. I was trying to recreate that page 2 times with some updated references from many different "reliable" sources that I had from doing google search. However, it keeps being deleted. Now, I plan to create the "brand new" article which I want to name "Tarique Mustafa"; however, Wiki administrator offered me another astonishing obstacle about locking that article's name. I tried to contact the administrator that deleted my article but it seems like he is busy and does not have time to take a look on my problem.

So would you please to help me to solve this problem in order for me to post this article?

I appreciate your help.

Heomap1983 (talk) 08:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)heomap1983


 * Here's the AfD: Articles for deletion/Tarique Mustafa. --Dougweller (talk) 08:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Try creating a draft in user space at User:Heomap1983/Tarique Mustafa. If you come up with something acceptable (i.e. non-promotional and demonstrating notability), it could be moved to article space. —teb728 t c 09:49, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, you can post a requst at User talk:Cirt requesting that Crit reconsider his/her deletion close of Articles for deletion/Tarique Mustafa. ( You did post on Crit's page here. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:49, 2 March 2011 (UTC). ) If that is unsuccessful, then you can post a request at WP:DRV asking that the Articles for deletion/Tarique Mustafa close of delete be overturned because the closer interpreted the debate incorrectly. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * As the OP appears to have found already, Cirt is apparently unavailable at the moment (and hasn't edited since Feb 18th), but please note it's only worth proceeding to DRV if you really think Cirt *did* misinterpret consensus, since that's all the DRV investigates. Since the AfD was unanimous and apparently uncontroversial at the time, I'd suggest it's not typical of those that are overturned at DRV. The OP didn't seem to be objecting to the original deletion, but to the deletion of attempts at recreation. For that issue, teb728's suggestion of developing a userspace draft seems to me like the best approach. Gonzonoir (talk) 12:56, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for all your helps. I have done 2 things: creating a draft in my user space (Q: How long does it regularly take to be censored and moved to article space? ), I also have posted my request to DRV. Heomap1983 (talk) 19:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heomap1983 (talk • contribs) 19:11, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * When (if ever) you demonstrate the notability of the subject, it should take only a few minutes to get the attention of an admin and have him review the article and move it to article space. So far, however, I can’t find any indication of why he would be important or significant—much less demonstrating how he would meet the criteria at Notability (people). Beside that, the only inline notes merely identify companies mentioned, which make him seem all the less notable because they point up that those companies do not have articles on Wikipedia. Meanwhile the items in the “References” section have no apparent connection to assertions in the article body, and those references that are not by Mustapha or nexTier Networks appear to be based on nexTier Networks press releases—and so are not independent. —teb728 t c 07:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I have a question right here. All the press and achievements have been made for nexTier Networks and published by Tarique Mustafa, and he is the founder of nexTier Networks, Inc. So all of the nexTier's products and achievements should belong to Tarique Mustafa legally, shouldn't they? Thanks Heomap1983 (talk) 18:48, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, how can I get this article's title unlocked?I was trying to move User:heomap1983/TariqueMustafa into "Tarique Mustafa" but its title has been locked by administrator and I can not move it. Heomap1983 (talk) 05:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The title is protected to prevent you from recreating it without demonstrating notability. Only an admin can move the article. —teb728 t c 07:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

So what should I do now? I have tried to contact the one who deleted my article? but it seems like he is busy now. Can you show me the process and whom I will contact? Thank you Heomap1983 (talk) 17:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * A good next step would be to post at Requests for feedback to see what other editors think of your new draft. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:14, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

How can I prevent archiving of a box at the top of my talk page?
I want to set up MiszaBot for archiving of my talk page. I have an ambox template at the top of my talk page to inform readers about how they should talk to me. Now my question is, how can I prevent the bot from archiving the template? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:12, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo says that the bot won't archive anything before the first second-level heading (i.e. ==Heading==) so you'll be fine. BencherliteTalk 13:14, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't think it archives without a date of some sort on it. C T J F 8 3  13:26, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If you're interested, you can put the contents from the ambox template in User talk:Toshio Yamaguchi/Editnotice to provide a message box shown above your talk page edit window when a user edits the page. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:28, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Just another question. I set up MiszaBot to archive any threads with no replies in 28 days. Will this count from now on or will it archive old threads soon, as I have some messages already much older than 28 days? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It will work on old threads (i.e. ones on the page now), not just threads started after you add archiving. BencherliteTalk 13:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to all of you for your help and the quick replies. Its much appreciated. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I suggest you make a user sub-page, such as User talk:Toshio Yamaguchi/Talk header, and put it all in there. Then, at the top of your talk page, transclude that by just putting . For example, I'm currently using User:Chzz/talkheader3 on my talk page.  Chzz  ►  15:06, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That works great. Thanks. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 17:24, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Long in the tooth AfD
This AfD has been lying around since 12 February. Can someone either relist it or close it? SanchiTachi (talk) 14:13, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Closed, article deleted. – ukexpat (talk) 15:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Wiki-slow
Is anyone else noticing a general slowdown of Wikipedia over the last few days? Are there any known problems in that regard? 86.184.108.192 (talk) 14:44, 2 March 2011 (UTC).
 * None Here —ASPENSTI— TALK — CONTRIBUTIONS 16:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. To read about reported technical problems, check the Village pump and the Wikimedia blog. --Teratornis (talk) 21:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Flagicon Templates
Hi Me and a few mates started a Wikia page so that we could easily record our F1 2010 PS3 Championship results as we thought we wouldn't be able to do it on here. The only problem is they dont have the FLAGICON template for adding flags and this is a vital part of our pages. Could you inform me of all the templates i need to copy across for this to work? Or if there is an easier way of doing this? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradley1314 (talk • contribs) 15:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It is hard to really help, for two reasons;


 * Firstly, because complex templates are often dependent not only on other templates, but also on the configuration of the specific wiki. For example, I do not know if Wikia uses the CSS class "flagicon" which that template employs.
 * Secondly, because we're here to develop Wikipedia, and not other wikis.
 * Still, whilst I cannot supply a comprehensive answer, I can perhaps point you in the right direction, if you wish to do the digging yourself:
 * This search shows the sub-pages of that template, and
 * Using Special:ExpandTemplates you can see what a template produces; for example, see this link.  Chzz  ► 19:07, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I wrote a user subpage on another wiki that tells how to port templates from Wikipedia to other wikis. See Appropedia:User:Teratornis/Template porting: theory and practice. Since I have not ported the particular template family you mention, there may be additional wrinkles I have not seen before. But I've ported enough templates to have seen most of the possible snags and gotchas by now, probably. --Teratornis (talk) 20:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The great difficulty of template porting is one of several factors that reduce the probability of success when you start a new wiki. That's one reason why Wikipedia's self-imposed content limitations have large consequences. You can start your own wiki to publish some subset of "the sum of human knowledge" that Wikipedia refuses (such as procedural knowledge), but it takes an astounding effort to replicate the same editing environment you take for granted here. WikiProject Transwiki is an attempt to reduce that effort, but they haven't gotten far yet. Template porting is a hassle even within the various Wikimedia Foundation project wikis. If Jimbo wants his Wikia to succeed, I'd recommend he try to produce a turnkey solution - if a Wikia user wants to use a template from Wikipedia, they should only have to click a menu, not embark on a research project. A wiki without a big library of useful templates is rather spartan and frustrating for anyone used to editing on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 21:08, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It also requires the corresponding country templates in Category:Country data templates. Maybe it would be easier for you to use Quikflag. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Article in article
Hi. Is it possible to make an 'article in article'? I mean - we have the List of television game show franchises article and the List of national variants in Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?. The first article is about all franchises, while the second is only about WWTBAM. Both articles have a table about WWTBAM. The second article is updated very frequently, while the first nearly never. And so is my question - is it possible to have the table from List of national variants in Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? in the first article using something like template, but without making a template, for example, making sth like this List of national variants in Who Wants to Be a Millionaire??  Kubek15  write / sign 13:24, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * For that, you would just transclude the page by putting the name of page in two brackets like this: . There are problems, though, because you would transclude the entire page and not just the list of Millionaire shows. Also, using transcluded pages in the mainspace is probably not allowed except for templates.-RHM22 (talk) 13:56, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like there are two separate tables containing similar information. If articles would make use of an identical table about WWTBAM, you could use things like " " to exclude things from transclusion, but you might just want to create a template consistent with Template:WWTBAM question and Template:WWTBAM series, such as Template:WWTBAM varients. Then you need only add WWTBAM varients to the article to have the information appear. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 16:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's not a problem for me that the whole article is transcluded, because the article consists of 1 sentence and a table. The problem is, using doesn't work...  Kubek15  write / sign 15:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason that doesn't work is that Template:List of national variants in Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? doesn't exist. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * That's because when you transclude by just putting a name, with no namespace prefix, it assumes you are referring to a template - and of course there is no "Template:List of national variants in Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?"


 * You can force transclusion an article page, using a colon prefix - such as,.


 * However that it is generally a bad idea to transclude one article into another. It makes things very confusing, for readers and for editors, and doesn't really serve a purpose; we can easily just link to another article using a template such as  (which would display "Main article: List of national variants in Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?). It is far preferable to simply link to other articles, possibly using summary style.  Chzz  ►  18:49, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The primary exception to this are the *truly* humungous pages where they are so large that having the entire thing on one page makes editing difficult. However these are few and far between (assume page size > 100K)Naraht (talk) 21:10, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) You can transclude a mainspace page by putting a colon in front like . This is however not a good solution for List of television game show franchises It would be better to omit the long list and link to the main list instead with  which renders:


 * The same should be done for some of the others. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:57, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * See Summary style for more details about doing that. --Teratornis (talk) 21:11, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

How do I add source and license information on a file?
I'm really sorry: I've done a bunch of searches and can't seem to find it out, and can't figure it out from the few pages I found.

I've tried to look at other files, pressed edit, but can't see how they put in the information.

One of my files is marked for deletion, so I am a little pressed for time, and trying to figure this out before the file gets deleted--I apologize for cluttering this up, if the information is easily found somewhere and I am just failing to do so.

Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidstreever (talk • contribs) 16:10, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the answer to your question can be found at WP:TAGS —ASPENSTI— TALK — CONTRIBUTIONS 17:01, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't have time to respond but it looks like the OP is talking about adding license info to File:Matthewfeiner.jpg. Dismas |(talk) 17:10, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they are...I already pointed them in the right direction and notified them. Thanks! —ASPENSTI— TALK — CONTRIBUTIONS 17:13, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot folks: this is very helpful. I've got it now!--Davidstreever (talk) 18:42, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Uploading Non-Free, Copyrighted Images
I work for an educational institution in Nevada and we recently developed a new publication on Fire Adapted Communities. This publication includes a graphic which we designed depicting a Fire Adapted Community and is possibly the only one in existence. The graphic is copyrighted by us and would be a helpful visual aid for anyone visiting the Fire Adapted Communities page. My question is how do I upload this image? As far as I can tell this image would meet all the requirements set by Wikipedia for allowing non-free content. Further, I'll be sure to provide all the supplemental information required by Wikipedia to post this type of image. However, I can't figure out how to post the picture. Thank you for any help 18:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grantnejedlo (talk • contribs)


 * If it is the only one in existence, then it is likely to be original research; also I suspect it would not meet the non-free content policy. It is hard to judge though; can you supply a link to the specific image?  Chzz  ► 18:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Alternatively, why not just donate the image freely, see WP:IOWN? – ukexpat (talk) 18:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Chzz, a copy of the publication and copyrighted image we'd like to post can be viewed on page 3 of this link - www.unce.unr.edu/publications/files/nr/2010/sp1010.pdf. I'm not certain if this qualifies as original research, but this is a university publication that has been peer-reviewed and approved by a broad range of experts. Any help wading through Wikipedia's rules on non-free image posting would be greatly appreciated 19:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grantnejedlo (talk • contribs)
 * Releasing the image under a free content license (such as cc-by-sa-3.0) would be simpler and more beneficial than wading through the fair use rules. See Commons:COM:OTRS for the procedure to obtain permission from the copyright holder and document it properly. Not all Wikipedians like the idea of fair use images on Wikipedia, since it contradicts Wikipedia's stated mission to provide reusable content. (Even within Wikipedia, fair use images are irritating because we usually cannot display them in more than one article, and some of the other language Wikipedias forbid fair use images altogether, which would complicate translating the article in question to other languages.) The fair use rules could change at any time, or fair use images could disappear from Wikipedia entirely. Therefore freely licensed images are more desirable. If the copyright holder of this image is unwilling to license the image freely, another option is for someone to draw another image that conveys the same ideas in a sufficiently original way. See Idea-expression divide - a particular expression of an idea is copyrightable, but the underlying ideas are not. I am not a lawyer, but I think if it is possible to draw an equivalent diagram to convey the same ideas, then there is no fair use rationale for the original image. That is, for us to claim fair use for the original image, there must be something unique about that particular image that we cannot convey with a replacement image. That can apply to images of particular people, or artistic works, for example. But for a mere technical diagram, it would seem many equivalent diagrams should be possible. --Teratornis (talk) 20:26, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't see a problem with the original research policy. But the last page of http://www.unce.unr.edu/publications/files/nr/2010/sp1010.pdf has a clear copyright statement. I see no way to make a fair use rationale for use in Fire adapted communities. It fails point 1 at Non-free content: "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." It would need a different license in order to be used in Wikipedia. See Image use policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:44, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * In answer to your question of how to upload: When you have 8 more posts you will be “autoconfirmed” and thus able to upload files as described at Help:Files. —teb728 t c 20:49, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

n-dash or hyphen
In my articles I write about office-holders and dates. Is it compulsory to write n-dash between two dates? For instance September 1 [n-dash] September 2001. I have written several articles using hyphens. Hope you can help me. Best wishes! Mbakkel2 22:09, 2 March 2011 (CET)


 * Does WP:DASHES help? – ukexpat (talk) 21:15, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * An en dash is the first item in the "Insert" menu bar beneath an edit window; clicking on that will insert an en dash where your cursor is positioned in the edit window. And yes, you should be using en dashes rather than hyphens. Deor (talk) 21:21, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If you've got a bunch of hyphens to fix, I highly recommend User_talk:GregU/dashes.js - an easy-to-use script that makes the correct change nearly every time. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 12:18, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

NYPL - all our IP addresses have been blocked
I am writing from the New York Public Library (NYPL.) It appears all our IP addresses have been blocked. No one on site can edit or add content. Please advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.146 (talk) 21:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * IP block exemption may be what you need. --Teratornis (talk) 21:20, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Deleted Pages
As far as I know, deleted contributions are removed from my watch list and contributions page. For example, I tagged two "articles" for db-a3 this afternoon. They have both since been deleted and both disappeared from my contributions. I only know their fate because I searched for them and saw they'd been deleted. Is there a way of keeping track of all of my contributions; deleted or otherwise? — Fly by Night  (  talk  )  21:57, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, go to My contributions/user contributions, and at the very bottom, click "edit count" You have 196 deleted and 4,711 edits total C T J F 8 3  21:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you want the edit count, or a way to see all your edits? C T J F 8 3  22:02, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I wanted to see the pages themselves, and not just am edit count. — Fly by Night  (  talk  )  02:33, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I don’t believe there is a way for non-admins to see deleted contributions. But what you may be looking for is: When a page on your watch list is deleted, a deletion entry shows on the watch list; the edit is gone, but the deletion shows. —teb728 t c 22:54, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see. Thanks for that. — Fly by Night  (  talk  )  02:33, 3 March 2011 (UTC)