Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 March 30

= April 2 =

Muzeum Przyrodnicze Instytutu Systematyki i Ewolucji Zwierząt PAN
It is a very old name and it was changed in 2009. Could you change it into the new one: Aquarium and Natural History Museum in Kraków. Please see pl:Wiki Thanks Krzyycho (talk) 20:38, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

= March 30 =

shane o' connor from ireland
i would like 2 know if u could help me 2 find a film and how i can get it or buy it , the name is The Dukes of Hazzard: Hazzard in Hollywood was a reunion film based on the American TV series The Dukes of Hazzard, and was aired on CBS television in 2000 i love this film and i have look for it everywhere i can. if u can help me u can email me at < > so i hope u can help me with this , hope 2 hear from u soom

thanks you so must

shane o'connor from ireland —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.126.25.135 (talk) 00:10, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. GB fan (talk) 00:15, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * From the article The Dukes of Hazzard: Hazzard in Hollywood, The film was released on DVD along with The Dukes of Hazzard: Reunion! on June 10, 2008. if that helps. – ukexpat (talk) 00:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

User's pages
This user made his first edit on Wikipedia on February 12, 2011. Since that time, other than the occasional vandalism and a very little bit of non-vandalism, he seems to be simply playing with his user page, his talk page, and his user subpages. This appears to be contrary to WP:NOTWEBHOST. Assuming I'm right, where should I report it?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * WP:ANI  Chzz  ► 00:27, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That was fast, thanks. I was afraid of that. Ah, well, maybe I'll grow some additional skin before I post.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:29, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, probably more polite to point the user in the direction of NOTWEBHOST before going to ANI; then if his edits don't improve he can't say he wasn't warned first. BencherliteTalk 00:31, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL. Certainly a good idea in concept, but have you seen his Talk page and earlier versions of it? At one point, he had a graphic on it saying he was blocked. I believe an admin removed it. :-) Still, it never hurts to be optimistic, so I'll follow your suggestion.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:36, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

@Bencherlite.  Chzz  ► 00:41, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * While ANI is the appropriate place (and AIV would probably ave handled it too), no need for ANI in this case; I've indef blocked as a vandalism-only account. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:43, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Moot point.

Block 2566593 targeting 1000Fast blocked by Floquenbeam for infinity starting at 2011-03-30T00:40:02Z because Vandalism-only account: actually only 95% vandalism, but that's close enough for me Flags: NOCREATE AUTOBLOCK ALLOWUSERTALK  Chzz  ►  00:46, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * LOL yet again. I had just crafted my carefully worded counsel on the user's Talk page. I then saved it and saw Floquenbeam's block, at which point, while laughing, I undid my edit. Thanks, Floquenbeam, for saving me additional trouble.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:48, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Adding a subcategory
The category Category:Catholics by nationality is missing the subcategory Category:Dutch Roman Catholics. I tried to add it from the editing page, but was not able to do so. Is there another way to do it or must another editor make that type of change?EricWR (talk) 01:16, 30 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EricWR (talk • contribs) 01:08, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You would have to edit Category:Dutch Roman Catholics and add  to it. See Help:Category. However, Category:Dutch Roman Catholics is already in Category:Roman Catholics by nationality which is a subcategory of Category:Catholics by nationality. The latter doesn't directly contain any subcategories of form "Category:X Roman Catholics", so I don't think you should make the edit without prior discussion. I'm not sure about the distinction between "Catholics" and "Roman Catholics" but maybe Roman Catholic (term) says something relevant. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:34, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Elder Johnny James
Hello!

Is it possible to turn a user page into an article? I believe I have mistakingly made a user page that was meant to be an article.

Please help, Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elder Johnny James (talk • contribs) 01:39, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Done, see Elder Johnny James. Now you should make a new user page for yourself and request speedy deletion of the User:Elder Johnny James page which now redirects to the article. hydnjo (talk) 03:00, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * However the page was a copyvio and has been deleted.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:15, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Oops (:-(   -hydnjo (talk) 12:23, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Rescaled fair use-deletion template?
I uploaded a rescaled version of File:SEPTAboot2.jpg after the original uploader classified it as a free file when it is not. What template do I use to get an administrator to delete the old, full resolution version (which as I understand shouldn't be there)? &mdash; Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 02:29, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Check the last line of the orange box on the file page - "Once a reduced version of this file has been uploaded, please replace this template with ." -- John of Reading (talk) 06:50, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ – ukexpat (talk) 14:02, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Citing forewords of a book
The book I would like to cite has two introductions. One is an actual foreword, titled "Foreword: Art in Traffic", and the second is titled "A Biographical Sketch". Both are short essays written by two different authors, and neither are written by the actual author of the book. (There are three names inside this book.) So I was looking at the cite book template, and I'm kind of stumped as to how to go about doing this. In terms of formatting the references, I want to use footnotes and a bibliography for my article.

If the author is Gerald Carr, and the foreword is by Warren Adelson, and the Sketch is by Lisa Hankin, this is my immediate guess as to how to format the template:

But they're not really co-authors. They just wrote two introductions in the book. Should I use the  parameter in the template instead?

Once that's settled, then how do I actually cite the introductions separately from the book? Do I even need to credit either Adelson or Hankin? If I do, how do I go about doing that? In the example below, I just throw their names into parentheses next to the actual page numbers I would be using.

The main text of this book is being cited. Now the foreword is being cited. Now the Sketch is being cited.

Thanks so much for any suggestions or advice. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  02:59, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Citation templates are a good tool because they promote consistency of formatting without having to worry about what should be italicized, what order to present the information and so on. However, their use "is neither encouraged nor discouraged." If you have a sui generis citation that doesn't easily fit in the mold they create, you can just create a citation that makes sense—good attribution so that users can clearly tell what is being cited for verifiability purposes is far more important than fitting the cookie cutter. So I would just use three different citations, maybe one might be --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:32, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm. That hadn't occurred to me. If the article were to be taken to GAN (my goal) or even nom'd for FA in the far future, is this something that would be frowned upon by the reviewers? No, of course not, your link obviously states it. Thanks! - Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  06:06, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Take a look at the cite book documentation, especially the example for "Citing a chapter in a book with different authors for different chapters and an editor." ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 11:48, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I must've zoomed right past that section! I was completely content with Fuhghettaboutit's suggestion, but this should make it much easier to read. Thanks! –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies  21:04, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

can't log in
i've been trying to log in for...at least a week. probably closer to two.

trying to remember exactly what i've done. go to log in; enter...hmm, email and password? first time. and then username and password. get message that...one or the other isn't correct. make changes; try again. same message. ask for a password confirmation/reset to be sent. it never arrives. i check immediately. i check the next day. i check several days later. yes, i check the spam folder.

i've asked several times now for an email. it never arrives.

okay, i have a few email accounts. 3 "main" ones. i've been checking the 3 regularly. but i've also taken the time to check them ALL. i KNOW what my username is. i can't remember the password. was actually pretty sure i had it right, but apparently not.

this is almost certainly all my fault. i had a bad bike accident awhile back, and got a good blow to the head. my memory's not been so great since then. but i have this annoying habit of writing down all my online info (usernames, passwords, associated email account, security questions, blah-blah) in a notebook just for that. but, for wikipedia, i only wrote down the username. must have been a bad day. i don't know.

but i also see that sometimes accounts get compromised, or hijacked, or whatever. i've only made a few edits out here. i'm fairly new and want to be cautious and not step on any toes. but i've also seen some pretty horrendous errors lately that i'd like to at least comment on and bring to the attention of others, if not actually change the damn things.

should i just start a new account?

oh, yes, i searched the archives and read what was there, but nothing that would help. because, i'm already checking the spam folders, lol. 76.255.21.94 (talk) 07:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If you're sure you can't access the "password rest" emails, then I'm afraid you'll have to start a new account. The standard advice is here, but I'm sure you've seen that already. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:43, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Remember that the account name and password are case sensitive. "Bob Smith" is not the same as "Bob smith". You might want to check the exact user-name in Special:ListUsers (putting the start of your user name in the box, "Display users starting at:"). But failing that...yeah; create a new account - as long as you never use the old one again, and you weren't blocked or anything, that's fine. It'd be nice to say, on your new user page, "I used to use the account " - and you could put a notice on the old one.  Chzz  ►  12:34, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

intrebare
cum pot sa las un mesaj pentru a fi scris in ziarul metro in suedia.va las email.pentru ami raspunde. astept raspuns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.73.231.152 (talk) 07:50, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.5 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. You can also try to find information on the Romanian Wikipedia.


 * Bănuiesc, pe baza întrebarea dumneavoastră, că aţi găsit unul din cele peste 3,5 milioane de articole şi a crezut că am fost afiliat într-un fel cu acel subiect. Vă rugăm să reţineţi că sunteţi la Wikipedia, enciclopedia liberă online care oricine poate edita, şi această pagină este pentru a pune intrebari legate de utilizarea sau care contribuie la Wikipedia în sine. Astfel, nu avem cunoştinţe speciale despre subiectul a întrebării dumneavoastră. Puteţi, totuşi, căutare catalogul nostru vasta de articole prin tastarea unui subiect în câmpul de căutare de pe partea din dreapta sus a ecranului. Dacă nu puteţi găsi ceea ce căutaţi, avem un birou de referinţă, împărţite în diverse domenii, în cazul în care pune întrebări de cunoştinţe este binevenit. Cel mai bun de noroc. Puteţi încerca, de asemenea, pentru a găsi informaţii cu privire la Români Wikipedia.


 * Avic ennasis  @ 08:00, 24 Adar II 5771 / 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Fragmentation of pages
Hi - I used to be a long-term editor of wikipedia (20,000+ edits) but got sick of all the bullshit so now restrict myself to do the odd edit from an IP, so I've lost touch with internal wikipidia thinking. However I'm curious about something? Is there no longer a house style to follow in regards to pages? Recently I've encountered pages where:


 * Instead of 'edit' buttons, there are pictures of pencils
 * Articles which have "rank this" on the page and starred scales
 * Articles where there is no edit buttons at all but 'view source' allows you to edit.

There seems to be no rymth or reason to what pages contain those features - is it 'anything goes' now? --87.194.194.250 (talk) 09:03, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't know about the pencils, haven't seen those. The "rank this" pages are in a pilot trial, see Category:Article Feedback Pilot.  The "view source" pages are ones that you as an IP can't edit i.e. either semi- or full-protected. You would only have seen "view source" before when you were logged in if you went to a fully protected page. BencherliteTalk 09:06, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The first point, I haven't seen - can you provide a link to an article with this pencils?
 * The second point - some pages are in Category:Article Feedback Pilot - Some info on that is on the linked page. Only certain pages fall within this scope.
 * Thirdly, some pages are Semi-protected, which does not allow unregistered editors (IP editors) to edit the page at all. You can look at the wikicode, but you cannot actually edit it. (If you notice when you click on view source, there is no save button.) Pages are semi-protected as needed due to on-going vandalism, so there is a reason for this.


 * Hope that helps a little. Avic ennasis  @ 09:14, 24 Adar II 5771 / 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Well that's what I find odd, recently I've found that when I click on 'view source' I can then edit the page! So I thought they'd simply merged the two. --87.194.194.250 (talk) 09:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * How odd. Perhaps your cache was storing an old, protected version of the page? BencherliteTalk 09:11, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * For the "pencil" icon, see Wikipedia Signpost/2011-03-14/Technology report
 * The "View Source" glitch has been mentioned here at Village pump (technical) -- John of Reading (talk) 09:17, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah right, thanks for that. --87.194.194.250 (talk) 08:50, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

User pages as articles
What is the proper procedure if it appears that a User Page (or user talk page) is being used as a pseudo-article for a group that appears to fail the notability test. (For example a single university fraternity in the Philippines). I know that if the username also reflects that group then there are other issues, but I think those are likely to be separate...Naraht (talk) 13:04, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * If it falls within a speedy deletion category (G11 for example), I would tag it as such. Otherwise, WP:Mfd. – ukexpat (talk) 13:09, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

~ not working for sig
Hello, the tildes are not working to automatically produce my signature. this happened yesterday and I got a notice from Sinebot. I thought I had just forgotten, so keeping that in mind I made sure to type the tildes in a post today...and again, it didn't work. Is there something wrong with my signature? (Trying again now) Quinn ☂THUNDER 16:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well crap, it worked that time. Maybe it was just a glitch. Quinn ☂THUNDER  16:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinn1 (talk • contribs)
 * I think SineBot checks whether you've linked to the account you're actually using, which you have not. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * What do I do to fix this? It keeps happening.  When I save a page it shows my signature...but if I go back or refresh the screen, it shows as "unsigned."  I recently got bcrat approval to move my user name from user:David Able ---> User:Quinn1 and everything seems to have been moved correctly.  Quinn ☂THUNDER  17:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * What you need to do is fix your signature, as zzuuzz pointed out above. You are editing as Quinn1, but your signature points to User talk:David Able.  Change your signature to point to User talk:Quinn1, and then hopefully SineBot won't need to intervene.  - David Biddulph (talk) 17:53, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * As a further clarification, did you get permission to move your user name, or to use the two in parallel? - David Biddulph (talk) 18:03, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Can't edit pages
I noticed that the edit tab was missing from an article today. I checked out a few other pages that I have edited in the past, and I can't see the edit tab for them either. It doesn't seem like the pages are protected in any way. I haven't created an account, so I've been editing as an IP. I can see with recent changes that other IP editors aren't having trouble. Any ideas? I'll probably end up making an account, I just haven't had any compelling reason to do it so far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.129.65.62 (talk) 16:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like it's this problem: Village pump (technical). – ukexpat (talk) 16:54, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Should I be worried about Sinebot?
This is Collin237. I had a problem with signing in a few years ago, but other things came up. So, admittedly lazily, I've been using the low-tech approach of just typing Collin237 at the end of my posts.

This has never been a problem until a day or two ago, when I received a message from Sinebot. Should I ignore it, or should I see about setting up a new login? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.217.232.85 (talk) 17:30, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * "Signing in" and "signing" are different things. "Signing in" (rare term at Wikipedia) refers to logging in to an account. That is optional but has many benefits. Whether you are logged in or not you should sign your discussion posts with . This adds the time, date and a link people can use to find you and your other edits (or edits by your IP address if you are not logged in). PrimeHunter (talk) 17:51, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Concerning Libya's page on the encyclopedia
Hello there,

We have noticed, since a few months, that Wikipedia starts to accepts all kind of articles without referring back to any sources some of the time. I have grown up along with wikipedia, enjoyed its services and donated indefinite amount of money for its support. However, and as of today, I will not be paying one single penny. I find it very very sad to say so, but I have no other options. Libya, although under heavy dictatorship, has been a unique and a single country with one unique government (and has to say, nothing fair in it) Yet, it is still the recognized "regime" or government by the United Nations. Trying to show that Libya has two governments on your page, is absolutely fake, senseless and open to emotional and soul distress more than being an actual reality and that is sad. Wikipedia shall not enter any arguments about Libya and leave that to its citizens. Modifying the data about a country by self proclaimed council who haven't been elected (yet) is a big injure to your status of a fair encyclopedia. We all wish and hope and work on Gaddafi's leave, but you entering and allowing modification of a country's status is of no ethical and factual data at all. That only disregards your position as a free platform for the world to use.

We do hope that you realize those mistakes and be sure that things are correctly fixed.

Best regards,

Libyans Abroad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.4.45.67 (talk) 17:55, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the best place to raise this point is on the discussion page for the article itself. If a consensus emerges to only list one government, then the page can be changed. TN X Man  17:58, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I hope you won't give up on Wikipedia solely because one article has been edited in a way you disapprove of. Please note that Wikipedia has no editorial board: it is created and managed by ordinary editors like you and me. It is inevitable that sometimes people will have strong disagreements about how a subject should be presented in Wikipedia, and even whether certain views should be included or not. Our challenge as editors is to work, even with people whose views we strongly disagree with, to achieve a consensus. If you have strong views about the current contents of the article, I suggest your take Tnxman's suggestion and start a discussion on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 19:09, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

What Tags do I need to add to an Image
I have uploaded the image Little-Loonie.gif and I am getting a warning that I have to add copyright information or the image will get deleted. I represent the owner of the logo (it is the Club Logo of the New York Science Fiction Society - the Lunarians) and we own the copyright. I know the creator (Wally Wood) and just need to know what tags to use. I can not find a sample of what to enter.

Thank You.RARPSL (talk) 17:59, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Please follow the instructions at WP:IOWN to confirm permission to use the logo. Note that you must allow use for all purposes, not just for use on Wikipedia. Otherwise, take a look at WP:LOGO for help using the logo pursuant to our non-free content criteria. – ukexpat (talk) 18:03, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Charts and copyright
If one creates a chart using a proprietary program (e.g. Microsoft Excel), takes a screenshot of the chart only, and uploads it, is it a free image or a fair-use one? The image I am talking about is File:NYC-SubwayFaresWithInflation.png. &mdash; Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 21:10, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that if you created the chart, you hold the copyright, and you can choose to licence it or to release it to the public domain. It doesn't matter what tool you used to create it. IANAL. --ColinFine (talk) 23:33, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Image Rotation Difficulties
Hi there,

I have been trying to rotate this image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sheila_Cavanagh.jpg and have been trying to put a rotate tag on it. However, the rotate tag takes me to this dead-end page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Rotate&action=edit&redlink=1. Do I have to move the image to wikimedia commons in order to have access to rotation features? What else could be done to address this? Graduate researcher (talk) 21:12, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I have just uploaded a new, rotated version - so it should be OK now. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 21:24, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much! Graduate researcher (talk) 21:31, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I have moved the image to Commons as it was released under a Commons-appropriate license: commons:File:Sheila Cavanagh.jpg. – ukexpat (talk) 13:18, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikopedia filter
Is it possible to filter Wikopedia for expicit sexual material which may be inappropriate for children? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.220.141.18 (talk) 22:42, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * For images, please see Help:Options to not see an image.


 * Please read NOTCENSORED.


 * Guidance for younger editors might also be helpful.  Chzz  ► 22:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * P.S. There is also current, ongoing discussion about possible future improvements in this area - see Personal image filter.  Chzz  ► 22:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia currently has no method to control content other than manually blocking individual images for logged-in users. There is an ongoing discussion on adding content control features; see meta:2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content: Part Two, especially the section User-Controlled Viewing Options. See also WP:NOTCENSORED, WP:CHILDPROTECT and Guidance for younger editors. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:08, 31 March 2011 (UTC)