Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 May 27

= May 27 =

I am a somewhat experience editor
considering posting a story in a local newspaper (which can't be viewed on line) on the Signpost, but can't figure out how to post it. Perhaps you can help? What I wanted to post is this:
 * Wikipedia in the Rio Arriba Sun, Thursday May 26th edition.
 * The headline, Website Reignites Spelling Debate: Tilde or No Tilde? is in large enough print so that it goes all the way across the top of page A13.  The article by SUN Staff Writer Whitney Jones then begins with "Española's nomenclature is the source of a recent kerfuffle on the popular website Wikipedia.  In an email to the Rio Grande SUN, Wikipedia contributer (amended to "contributor") **** ******  wrote he was engaged in a "nasty fight"..... and so it goes.  To see how this article is going to be used check out the discussion (the last one) at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Espanola,_New_Mexico.  Hope to see you there. Carptrash (talk) 03:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Since the story is going to be about spelling accuracy, it would be really good if you didn't spell the word 'contribut or ' as "contribut er ". --   Jack of Oz   [your turn]  03:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Well that's a good start. Carptrash (talk) 03:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure "Re–ignites" should be hyphenated; I'm also baffled by the cap "T" for "Tilde". But then again, I'm English, so YMMV.  Chzz  ► 06:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well for that stuff I am just copying it as is printed in the paper. (not "contributer") We yanks don't like hyphenated words and figure capital letters mean "but more so."  But I am getting the impression that this is not a good thing to pass on the Signpost because I'm getting no help doing that.  Carptrash (talk) 06:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you seen the page Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank-you John. No I had not seen it, but now have. Carptrash (talk) 16:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

biography
I don't know if i am in the right place? I was reading about robert opinhimer (atomic bomb physicist) after watching his story on pbs last week. your article states that pres john kennedy gave him the enrico ferme award in 1963. in the pbs story they showed lyndon johnson giving r.o. the award. should the wikipedia article be changed? regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.150.152.36 (talk) 05:13, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Article J. Robert Oppenheimer


 * Currently says, At the urging of many of Oppenheimer's political friends who had ascended to power, President John F. Kennedy awarded Oppenheimer the Enrico Fermi Award in 1963 as a gesture of political rehabilitation. Edward Teller, the winner of the previous year's award, had also recommended Oppenheimer receive it, in the hope that it would heal the rift between them.undefined


 * If that fact is incorrect, please fix it; but find a reliable source.


 * Google books indicates that Lyndon Johnson reinstated his security clearance in 1963, and he was presented with the AEC's Enrico Ferme Award  - not necc. that Johnson presented it.


 * Other sources indicate Kennedy did give it.


 * But I suggest that, if you can find a good reference, please add it.


 * If there is doubt, discuss it on Talk:J. Robert Oppenheimer.  Chzz  ► 05:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

How 'bout Kennedy awarded it to him and Johnson handed it to him 'cause JFK had a date that night? Carptrash (talk) 07:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

The text accompanying this picture of Johnson presenting the award (on December 2, note) explains the matter. Don't forget that Kennedy didn't quite make it through 1963. Deor (talk) 13:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * According to Bird & Sherwin in American Prometheus: the triumph and tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer Kennedy announced that Oppenheimer would receive the the Fermi Award in the Spring of 1963.  Two weeks before the ceremony on Dec 2 Kennedy was killed.  So Johnson handed it over.  It turned out that Kennedy's date was with destiny, not Marilyn.  Carptrash (talk) 22:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Convention for dealing with Discussion comments by socks
What is the convention for dealing with Discussion comments left by contributors later convicted of sockpuppetry? Can they be edited off the Discussion page by anyone? Should they be stricken out? Collapsed? Should they be left on the page but be followed by a notice that the user was a sock? Or is it best to leave such matters to be handled by an Admin? This isn't being asked in relation to cases of clear vandalism or otherwise disruptive edits. In particular, what if a sock's input to a discussion is actually of value? (Edited to add: And what if the sock left comments on another user's Talk page? Can those be excised by regular users?)—Biosketch (talk) 06:22, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The user is welcome to WP:refactor his own userpage and talk page, so feel to address as needed. You don't want to change anything on someone elses talk page unless it was indisputible vandalism. As far as article discussions, I wouldn't change it because, typically socks are involved in lenghty discussions and the removal of those exits will break the conversation flow. I would however make a note on the discussion page about the sock case and the users involved. Be sure not to out the editor, but simply call attention to the various usernames and link them to the WP:SPI case. Tiggerjay (talk) 06:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

adj=on
I just came across this added to a conversion - it looks like this. 5 mi Can someone please tell me what 'adj=on' means?

Also can you tell me what autogenerated citations are used for. --Rskp (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * In Template:Convert, it explains that the parameter 'adj' allows you to force an adjective, e.g. "The 190-foot (58 m) bridge" as opposed to "The 190 feet..."


 * Citations may be automatically created by tools, such as WP:REFLINKS.  Chzz  ► 07:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Is navbox name parameter linked to in any way?
Hi all. I need to edit a template that uses a navbox. I don't want to change the template's name (i.e. I'm not trying to move it or use a redirect at all) but I do want to change two of its parameters, specifically its name and title parameters. I understand that the title parameter merely gives the display text that appears in the color bar at the top of the navbox, but what purpose does the name parameter fulfill? More important, will changing that name parameter somehow break links to the template or cause some other unintended consequence? – OhioStandard  (talk) 08:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The "name" parameter configures the "v · d · e" ("view · discuss · edit") links at the top left of the navbox. If you are not moving the template to a new name, you shouldn't change it. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Template:Navbox says: "The name of the template, which is needed for the "v · d · e" ("view · discuss · edit") links to work properly on all pages where the template is used." So you only need to change the title-parameter if you want to change what is displayed. The name parameter must match the actual name of the template (without Template: written in front of it). So for Template:Foobar, the name parameter should read name = Foobar. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 08:34, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Dense of me not to have seen that; thanks John and Toshio. But on the template I'm looking at the "v · d · e" are, respectively, a redlink, a redlink, and a bluelink. When I click the bluelink to "edit", though, I land on an edit/create page for a not-yet-existing template. The name parameter is NOT the same as the page name that occurs in my browser address bar, if it helps to know that. I've never edited a template before, and don't want to screw it up, but this looks erroneous to me. More help, please? –  OhioStandard  (talk) 10:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The "name" parameter should match the name of the template - as Toshio said, if Template:Foobar is a navbox, it should have name = Foobar. When done correctly, the "v" link should be a blue link; if the template has a talk page then the "d" link should be blue as well. Can you post a link to the template? -- John of Reading (talk) 10:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks again, John. Here it is. I've noticed that a great many articles and such in this topic area employ redirects in an apparent attempt to use unilateral/partisan names instead of internationally recognised ones. Saw a different example just the other day, actually. I presume that's what's going on here, too, although I'm not experienced enough with templates to know for sure. –  OhioStandard  (talk) 11:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I've fixed that one. Editors are welcome to edit war over discuss the "title" parameter, but the "name" should be left alone. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, John, you're the best! I fully appreciate the wry humor in the strikethough also, all too well, I regret to say. My very cordial thanks. –  OhioStandard  (talk) 11:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Tying to alter a picture
I am lost in the mass of instructions here, I am afraid. I have been editing the page on Henry Jermyn, Earl of St Albans, as it contained a number of extremely inaccurate statements about him. There was also a picture, purporting to be of him, which simply was not. I have managed to stop it being shown on the page, which is a good start. I then discovered how to upload a correct picture to 'Wiki Commons'. This is it: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jerpic1a.jpg I pasted this into the text on Henry Jermyn's page, but the picture does not appear. I am not surprised, really, as this is a technical matter, and I have no expertise in these things. Please would somebody who knows how this works explain in very great detail how I can make the picture appear, or, better still, could someone do it for me, please? In any event, it is better to have no picture at all, than the incorrect one, which is what was displayed before. Many thanks indeed, Anthony Adolph Anthony Adolph (talk) 08:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Incidentally, I have no idea how I will ever find an answer if one ever appears here.


 * Just noting here that me and another editor have left a note on Anthony's talkpage.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Gas Laws
1. If a sample of argon, the gas in electric bulb is at a pressure of 760 torr when the volume is 100 ml and the temperature is 35 degrees celsius, what must its temperature be if pressure becomes 720 torr and volume 200 ml?

2. Explain the properties of the three states of matter by referring to the forces that exist in each

3. what is surface tension? why moleculesat the surface of the liquid behave differently from those within the interior — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.21.39.11 (talk) 10:07, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Please do your own homework. Welcome to the Wikipedia Help desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here not to do people's homework for them, but merely to aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems. Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. You can or. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, the Reference desk can help you grasp the concept. Do not ask knowledge questions here, just those about using Wikipedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:13, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Top contributor
How to learn who is the top contributor of the article? TGilmour (talk) 11:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that's often a rather subjective measure. If by top contributor you mean who has done the most number of edits on an article, you can click the 'View history' tab at the top of an article in order to see who contributed. Is that what you have in mind? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * A couple of inches down the history tab is a line of "External tools". The "Contributors" tool will summarise the number of edits made by each contributor. That still doesn't help you to assess the size or quality of the edits made, though. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you both. Yes, I meant the users who have made the most edits. TGilmour (talk) 13:32, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Anagrams
The Surface_Detail page till recently had a lot of edits removed by User:John. After discussion on John's talk page he posted his reasons on the discussion page - basically, that they were OR. I'd tend to disagree about my edits but they're not important enough to worry about.

One of the bits removed - not my edit - was the observation that the name of one character was an anagram of the name of another character. I'd been of the opinion that an anagram was an example of Wikipedia:CALC#Routine_calculations, so not OR. After all, solving an anagram is decidable in the Godelian sense, which arithmetic is not. But User:John disagreed. He's an administrator, I'm not, so that was that.

Some days later I realized that things declared to be anagrams were in use in other articles in Wikipedia to illustrate various points without benefit of a secondary source. Going by John's precedent, this is "original research". Looking at his talk page I didn't want to make the poor man's life any harder, so I left a note on the article's discussion page.

After digging a bit deeper in to the "Routine Calculations" I realized it actually mentioned "routine mathematical calculation", not simply arithmetic. It also included conversion templates which dealt with characters, also not arithmetical in nature.

Can I please ask which of the following would resolve the situation?
 * Globally remove any anagrams usage to support a proposition without secondary reference
 * Declaration that anagrams fall within the definition of Wikipedia:CALC#Routine_calculations
 * Creation of a different exception to WP:NOR.
 * None of the above - in which case some explanation would be of considerable help to this baffled bear of comparatively little brain.

--Sdoradus (talk) 13:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdoradus (talk • contribs) 13:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I think this plot twist is original research, unless some reliable source has drawn the same conclusions. Otherwise...well, for example, I could read the book, and form my own interpretation deciding that 'Vatueil' was an anagram of 'Tau Evil', and work out some insane theory about Greek letters. Or something. Yes, that'd be silly, but it'd be just as 'mathematically correct' and valid.


 * I don't think a blanket ruling is necessary or appropriate. In some cases, an anagram could have been discussed in independent reliable sources - in which case, inclusion would certainly be appropriate. In most other cases, I would consider it OR because it would be 'novel' (if not reported elsewhere). However, most such complicated notions need exceptions and caveats, which results in excess instructions. I don't believe this to be a significant enough problem to worry about 'globally' - I suggest just discussing it on a case-by-case basis.  Chzz  ► 19:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay ... so the preferred option of the four above is "None of the above". Very well. The anagrams though embedded in the "Plot Twist" text you mention, don't actually relate to the twist. They do identify Zakalwe with Vatueil. But the text itself does that. There's no point in a reference.
 * For reference, here's a typical usage: (from Laonikos_Chalkokondyles) "Laonicus ... an anagram of Nikolaos which bears the same meaning".

--Sdoradus (talk) 20:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

short on references
I have written the article about the artist myself with information supplied by him. There are no formal references. What to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.65.27.2 (talk) 13:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you tell us where you have written something? The IP address you posted this message with has no other contributions. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia articles about living persons must be fully referenced. Please see Biographies of living persons.--Shantavira|feed me 13:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

How to make a page
I want to ask how to make a page in Wikipedia. I want to create something but dont know how? Blog1234 (talk) 14:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Type in the name of the page you want to create into the search box in the top right, then click on the red text in the message "You may create the page "_______", but consider checking the search results below to see whether it is already covered." Make sure you include some reliable sources or the page is likely to be deleted, best to have a search for similar articles and see how those are formatted. The Your first article page might also be quite useful. doom gaze   (talk)  14:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I've been wondering the same thing as Blog1234 --Sdoradus (talk) 14:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I've left some useful links on your talk page that link to various help pages. CaptRik (talk) 14:32, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Standard "how do I create an article" advice follows:


 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article. You might also look at How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is also available to walk you through creating an article. – ukexpat (talk) 15:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

copyright and licensing
Hi, can I possibly get some help with the copyright and licensing of the two pictures that I have used in the 'socio-ecological system' article? I am not sure how to add the copyright tag and which tag to use. Both of the pictures are referenced and the articles are available online. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klaudia.darbinova (talk • contribs) 14:28, 27 May 2011 (UTC)  Klaudia.darbinova (talk) 14:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Availability online is really irrelevant. What is important is the copyright status of the images. Please can you provide links to the online articles so that we can review for copyright? If the relevant articles are not released on terms suitable for Wikipedia, the files will have to be deleted as copyright violations. – ukexpat (talk) 15:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Long Hunters
John Retna Baker and John Harrision were and Ben Cutbirth all Boones relatives were all of the original LongHunters.Richard Hilton made up a bunch of ignort facts he and his people made to be cruel and degrading.I am Michael Ray Kelly and I have a Federal Complaint against the Hilton family,in Washington D.C.,he even went so far as to hirer lookalikes of my family,to defame and defraud us.also if you bothered to check your history,about President William Henrey Harrison,and he had slaves.all of the slaves(so called)had to be registered as slaves in the Virginas,because if they wernt registered as slaves they'd be taken down to the south and made to be slaves. Harrison had in his own family,one of his sons that married a negro slave women.And if you bothered to check you history,all the so called slaves in the Harrison family,all attended the Beara College,the first college,in America even during the Civil War(Lincon which was his cousin(Lincons maternal grandmother was a Harrison) all were college educated men and women. I sent the White House part of my family history.Donot allow the Hilton family to view it please.they act like their my brother,mother ,sister cousin,aunt and niebors.He's nuts. prefix:Wikipedia:FAQOur family History is from Ifha Sookitosh Backer.on my mothers side.and President Harrison,President Bush family,President Lincon,President George Washington,Maupin Gabriel the III, and Kelly.

U.S.Marshal (Honorary) OXFORD: 1910 Index No: 1750 Collins,Fercury January 29th.2011 10:05 A.M. Michael Ray Kelly 4550 Sky-View Dr. Arnold(Jefferson County)Missouri 63010 (Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.157.170.119 (talk) 16:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if you are in the right spot. This is Wikipedia the free encyclopedia and this page is for asking questions about how to use Wikipedia.  Is this where you meant to post?  GB fan (talk) 16:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Where is the best place to discuss the new 'Rate this page' feature?
Just stumbled onto 'Rate this page' at White Amazonian Indians. Where can I best bring up the question why has this cockamamie idea been implemented (even if only on 10,000 articles) without community discussion? I though Wikipedia was NOT Facebook. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 16:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * See for some discussion at Mediawiki. Dougweller (talk) 16:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * That's a very good question and I would like to see the answer, too, since nobody seems to be sure (see also WP:VPT). Why on earth isn't there some kind of centralized discussion taking place here on Wikipedia, where the majority of confused readers and editors are?


 * As a sidenote: It took 5 days for me to receive an unsatisfactory answer about the purpose of this tool (and I still have no clue about the exact purpose of this tool). See here Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 16:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Doug, didn't you hear that Facebook purchased MW? Okay, maybe that is a farce, but yes, I agree, it sound crazy. More like data mining for statistic sake instead of producing any valid results. Tiggerjay (talk) 18:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Surely, we need a "Rate this 'Rate this page feature' feature"?  Chzz  ► 19:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This has been around for a while, it's just been expanded to more pages recently. Sorry, I don't have a link for where it actually started, but I know that it is not that new.  The article page of that talk page seems to indicate it's been with us since September 2010.  —  Soap  —  19:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

We have an Article Feedback Tool that is in a pilot deployment as of September 22, 2010. Only a few articles have the feedback tool— they are in the hidden Category:Article Feedback Pilot. You can ask more questions at the discussion page for the Article Feedback Tool workgroup. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 17:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarkstown_High_School_North
Notable alumni has Richard Hobrook as a caberet Singer !!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.3.10.221 (talk) 17:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * While "Richard Holbrook" may be a cabaret singer, he is not the same as Richard Holbrooke (note the -e). Since we do not have an article for the cabaret singer, and the diplomat did not go to Clarkstown North, I've removed the entry. TN X Man  17:58, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Why did Dragonfly 67 delete my account?
Why did Dragonfly 67 delete my account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.92.211.37 (talk) 18:21, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Accounts cannot be deleted. Dragonfly67 may have blocked your account though. TN X Man  18:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * And/or deleted your user page, which is not the same thing as deletion of your account. If this happened, you can probably view the reason by pasting the complete title, e.g. "User:Name" (exact spelling and capitalization required) into the deletion log. --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess you mean User:DragonflySixtyseven. We can only say what actually happened if you give your username. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:52, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Lists of officers as copyvio
I recently ran into a situation where a novice editor had written an article about an organization and had copied a long section about the history of the organization verbatim into the WP article. The copied section ended with a longish list of the holders of various offices in the organization. The editor adequately rewrote a bit of the text, but restored the officers list character-for-character verbatim except for the addition of one current officer not in the original text. The lists were simple, of the nature: President 1923 - 1924 John Jones 1924 - 1925 Bill Bailey (and so on) Does the use of the verbatim officer lists constitute a copyvio or is it fair use? Regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 20:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It's not a copyvio and it's not fair use. Under US law, no copyright exists in such a list. Thparkth (talk) 20:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The only concern that i would voice would be (1) to encourage that novice editor to rewrite the information before posting it to WP; and (2) to evaluate the list of officers because the formatting may need some work. Tiggerjay (talk) 20:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear to Thparkth's statement, factual data cannot be copyrighted. If the list was one created from personal opinion, there are creative elements in it and thus does become copyrighted, and verbatim copying is inappropriate. Not the case here, but as suggested, its better to reformat to form suitable for WP's purposes. --M ASEM  (t) 21:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree. Except just saying 'not copyright violation under US law' (presumably following the Feist decision rejecting the "sweat of the brow" approach). It isn't sufficient, however true, since other jurisdictions do take the view that a simple compilation is copyrightable. The level of originality required is "minimal" and in some cases non-existent. --Sdoradus (talk) 21:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Unable to Edit Inaccurate Summary
I want to edit - correct an inaccurate summary, the first thing written about a community, where I live, Sun Lakes, Arizona. It is above the Geography portion, which seems to be the first thing editable. How can I edit the inaccurate description of our community that contains several major errors? First, it is NOT a retirement community. It is an "Active Adult" community. Age 19 is the minimum age for permanent residency. Some of the old timers who have lived here since the 80s are now retired but, most of the people still work and there is even a 40s & 50s club. Second, there are three communities, not five, within Sun Lakes. Sun Lakes I is Phase I. The second community, Phase II, is Cottonwood Palo Verde. Palo Verde has two sections, one gated, one not gated. The third community, Phase III, is Oakwood & Ironwood, now known as Iron Oaks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babyboomer1001 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The 'edit' tab at the top of the page allows you to edit the entire article. I think, instead, you might be using the [edit] at the side of each section, and there isn't one for the first section.


 * When you go to the article, you should see this along the top; at the left are tabs for "Article" and "Discussion", and to the right, there is "Read", "Edit", and "View history" (then the 'search' box). That's the 'edit' you want. It'll get you to here - where you can change anything.


 * Please make sure you give a reliable source (e.g. a newspaper article) for any information you add. For help on how to do that, see WP:REFB.  Chzz  ► 20:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I changed the first sentence to contain the phrase you used. Note, though, that the active adult community page is simply a "REDIRECT" to the retirement community article and therefore the meaning of the sentence is still the same, just the wording has changed.  —  Soap  —  21:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Carrie Savage, the voice actress
My name is Carrie Savage, and I am the voice actress. Someone has posted personal information about me on the page THAT IS ALL AND TOTALLY INCORRECT, and must be info. they found about somoene else named Carrie SAvage. There is no personal info. about meor my family, anywhere on the web, and that is because I feel that is private info. Furthermore, since my parents do not even share my name, the info. can not even be researched! I have tried to correct the info. and post a reprpoach to whomever posted that, who should be extremely ashamed, but it keeps getting erased! I need this info. removed immediately, or I believe I may have grounds for a legal law suit! The ONLY INFO., ON THAT PAGE THAT IS CORRECT, BESIDES MY CREDITS, AND THE VERY TOP LINE, IS MY BIRTH DATE! And that is because I put that on the web myself. (My birth date that is!) I am appalled that a website like this exists where anyone can just post anything about anyone else, especially about a publicly known person, that is not only so wrong it may as well be from Mars, but without checking facts or asking permission.

Again, I have tried to correct this info. three times now, but it keeps getting erased and the wrong info. remains!

Please remove all of the personal info. except my birth date from that page, and post a public reproach from me to whomever, just looked up my name online and assumed the info. they found about another person named Carrie Savage (Yes, there are more than one) was about me, and posted it online. Not only should they have checked their facts but they should have asked permission.

Furthermore! I was not born nor have I ever lived anywhere near Atlanta, Georgia! My parents do not even share my last name, I am not married, do not have children and am most certainly NOt married to Grand Jorge! (I think that is another voice actress, Jessica G's husband!) Nor do I even have any brothers! REally please fix this immmediately. I expect to hear from someone soon!

Please do not share this email address, but you can email me at .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carrie Savage, voice actress (talk • contribs) 23:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to Wikipedia. Unfortunately this is a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, if you can prove in writing that what you see isn't true, then please do. Other than that, there's nothing that can be done. Wikipedia is a website where articles are public to everyone. Furthermore, that reason your attempts to remove the information from Carrie Savage is because you didn't cite a reason nor have it proven that it indeed isn't true. Hope this helps, SwisterTwister (talk) 23:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The information you mentioned has been removed. The reason your edits were removed was, because you added commentary within the live article, and your edits (including removal of info) were all 'undone' together. For example you added This info. previously posted here was Wrong, wrong and triple wrong! - that kind of thing should not appear in an article. Use the article talk page for that, which is Talk:Carrie Savage.


 * Please see Contact us/Article problem/Factual error (from subject), which has advice on how to deal with any further concerns without running into problems.


 * I will also make a note on our Biographies of living persons Noticeboard to ensure others watch the article. Best,  Chzz  ► 23:56, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * P.S. SwisterTwister, that is incorrect. The information in the bio in e.g. this old version had no references, and therefore the subject of the article - or anyone else - was free to remove them, in accordance with WP:V and WP:BLP policies. They don't have to prove it isn't true. See also WP:BLPEDIT.  Chzz  ► 23:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Update: The user has just been blocked for making legal threats.  Chzz  ► 00:07, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, yes I apologize for my reply, I replied here prior to examining the article history. I didn't realize it until I had already posted here. SwisterTwister (talk) 01:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)