Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 May 9

= May 9 =

"I ♥" articles
I had a couple questions about this character: Shouldn't articles that start with "I ♥" be moved (if they haven't already) to "I Love" in accordance with some sort of WP:ACCESS and WP:MOS guidelines? I also noticed a couple of redirects (I ♥ Tirana and I ♥ Skanderbeg) that don't lead to any "I Love" article, but, rather, normal articles on people or places. Shouldn't these be tagged R3 as implausible typos? –  Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 22:50, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I've deleted the implausible redirects - one was to a 15th century noble? TN X Man  22:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, unless there's some 15th century bumper sticker I'm not aware of, the redirect seemed rather ... weird. Thanks! –  Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 23:05, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Fonts in which Wikipedia webpages are displayed
Several months ago, all wikipedia pages on 3 of our PCs, began displaying in a narrow, small sans-serif font (? the Agency FB True-Type Microsoft provided font). This font change makes reading and editing pages very difficult, without markedly changing the browsers image size, font size, display resolution, or some combination of these.

This has been a major annoyance and lead to our both utilizing wikipedia much less often and contributing edits (much less new pages) much less often and is new since we first started using and contributing to wikipedia in 2004.

These 3 PCs are all running Windows XP Pro and using Internet Explorer, Version 8.0.6001.18702IC to display web pages, including wikipedia.

We have not had font problems on any other of a great many web pages we commonly utilize and suspect that a code change made within all wikipedia web pages, combined with the behavior of Windows XP OS and IE8 methods of selecting which installed fonts to utilize is responsible.

We have found several other people on the internet who have been struggling with the same issue and a few selected work-arounds, none very effective, appealing or addressing the underlying issue, despite this working against the effectiveness of wikipedia's usefulness and appeal.

Please help me, and all the other users similarly affected, better understand how to correct this problem with viewing wikipedia pages by creating a wikipedia page which helps users and contributors correct this font display problem on whatever operating systems and browsers they utilize to interact with the wikipedia servers. If possible, please also email me and add a section to “My talk” page on wikipedia.

While this issue might have been addressed somewhere else on the wikipedia site, I was not able to locate it.

Starting a more general wikipedia page on wikipedia web page display/presentation issues might be a good idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MAlvis (talk • contribs)
 * Go into your preferences and test out the different skins in the Appearance tab. If none of those are to your liking, you can also set your browser's font size. Lastly, if you only need bigger text on Wikipedia, you can try adding custom code to your CSS or just magnify the page by pressing Ctrl++ or hold Ctrl and scroll your mousewheel. — Bility (talk) 02:48, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * He had already mentioned the fact that he knows how to zoom in, and he said it was annoying, so that's not a valid solution. As far as changing the theme goes: If it really is a problem with vector, shouldn't we try to find out what's causing it either to fix it for everyone else as well or to find a solution that doesn't require changing the actual theme of the website, in case the user enjoys the default theme the same way I do? Soloman212 (I&#39;m new here, so sorry if I put something in the wrong place.) (talk) 02:44, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Text overlapping image
Could someone please fix (or explain how to fix) the text overlapping the image in the History section of Houston Ship Channel? I've played with it a little bit but it has me buffaloed. Thanks, RadioBroadcast (talk) 01:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I "fixed" it. The problem really is too many images, some very large, in too little space. I moved things around, shortened one very long caption, and added templates to give white space. Beyond that, the only thing I know of to do is to reduce the size of the images, particularly the one with the inset, or eliminate the images - or, of course, write more material. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 01:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * See also, . — Bility (talk) 02:34, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! RadioBroadcast (talk) 02:56, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Quotations in titles
WP:TITLEFORMAT says not to use quotations in the title, when using Template:DISPLAYTITLE, but it says italics is ok....why? C T J F 8 3 02:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Where does it say not use quotes with DISPLAYTITLE? DISPLAYTITLE won't add quotes anyway… — Bility (talk) 02:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Some article titles are supposed to use italics. For example, articles on ships have the ship's name in italics (see USS Iowa (BB-61), USS Mississippi (BB-41) etc). Chamal T •C 04:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok...I guess I'm just curious as to why we italicize show titles in the top article name, like The Simpsons, but don't put episodes in quotations, like Homer's Phobia C T J F 8 3  11:42, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Because it is technically not possible— DISPLAYTITLE does not support quotes. You can test this in the sandbox. WP:TITLEFORMAT says to not create an article name with quotes, as opposed to the display name. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok, thanks, C T J F 8 3  20:57, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

DATELINE PAKISTAN
Anitaraja (talk) 08:50, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * if you want to create an article, see "Your first article" --  Phantom Steve .alt/ talk \[alternative account of Phantomsteve] 09:24, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Alexander Leslie-Melville, 9th Earl of Leven
✅ Please move to Alexander Leslie-Melville, 7th Earl of Leven over redirect. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  11:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Requested moves? Though of course, if an admin reads this and it's not controversial... -- Obsidi ♠ nSoul  14:12, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Uncontroversial. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  17:36, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

talkpage templates
Hi, as this article Amina Bokhary controversy is all about living people and about a controversial topic I wanted to add a template to the talkpage Talk:Amina Bokhary controversy reminding users about BLP and suchlike and to automatically NOINDEX the talkpage but as its not actually a biography this template seems wrong, is there something better in such situations? Off2riorob (talk) 12:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This template, BLP others, is probably what you are looking for, not sure if it does the noindex though. GB fan (talk) 12:13, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Looked closer it does noindex the page. GB fan (talk) 12:15, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, thats the one, many thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 12:20, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Reference desk pages don't refresh until reloaded.
I can come back to the desks days later and would read the same pages until I refresh. It's not happened before but now happens every visit. 66.108.223.179 (talk) 13:29, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

How do I rename a page that was incorrectly created by someone who has since died?
I need to know how to rename a page that was created by someone who died. The article was created when the person didn't know quite how to use Wikipedia, so the title of the page appears incorrectly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Acbush/Eddie_Bush_%28musician%29&action=edit

The title includes "User:Acbush" and I need to know how to get that removed -- either that or have the whole page removed so that it can be re-created from scratch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.213.126.39 (talk) 16:19, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * If you create an account, you can move it yourself to the correct name, see Help:How to move a page. If you don't wish to create an account, you can file a request at Requested moves.  It looks the the article in question was started as a userspace draft, see Help:Userspace draft, so before moving it be absolutely certain that the article is in a state to "go live", see So you made a userspace draft for an explanation of how and when a draft is ready to "go live" as an article.  -- Jayron  32  16:22, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the above information. At the moment, my concern is that while it may not be 'live', it still comes up in Google searches. So in a sense, it is public, even if not a live article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.213.126.39 (talk) 16:26, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Also - If I was not the creator of the Userspace draft, will I be able to edit it and then have it moved (re-titled) when I've edited it sufficiently to go live? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.213.126.39 (talk) 16:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I googled and this particular page didn't seem to come up in the first three pages of results. I see no problem with you editing the draft. The user in question hasn't been online for over a year and that page was their only contribution. However, if you want to "go live" please make an account so it can be attributed to you. - Mgm|(talk) 16:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Assuming what you say is true (that the creator of the page has died), I don't see why not. Users don't own any page, even in the userspace, and if what you do makes Wikipedia better, go for it. Alternately, if you want to create an article from scratch on the same subject, you could do that too, again keeping in mind that not every subject is appropriate for a Wikipedia article (see Notability). You might want to read Why create an account? for information on the benefits of creating an account, if you do you can create your own userspace draft to work on such an article on your own time... -- Jayron  32  16:39, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Category:Copy to Wikimedia Commons
The execution is very slow --80.142.206.59 (talk) 18:46, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Like many areas of Wikipedia, there is a backlog. They're processed by volunteers, just like you or me. They need checking by hand - because some might not be appropriate to move (due to licencing), others are the subject of a current deletion discussion, and suchlike.


 * If you like, you could help us - we need all the help we can get. See Why create an account?.


 * If there are some specific images you'd like moved, please tell us the names.  Chzz  ► 18:55, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Duplicate names
I want to create a stub article about an American economist at Harvard Dwight Heald Perkins (1934- &bsp;). An article already exists about an American architect with the same name Dwight H. Perkins (1867-1941). For now, Dwight Heald Perkins is a redirect page. What shall I name the new article? One option would be to change the name of the existing article to Dwight H. Perkins (architect) and then to name the new article Dwight H. Perkins (economist). Is there a better approach to this problem? If so, what? Why? Where should I have known to look for a good answer to this kind of question? What shall I do with the current redirect? Shall I re-work it as a disambiguation page? --Tenmei (talk) 19:12, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * There is no need for a disambiguation page if there are only two relevant articles. I would leave the current article as is, but edit the redirect page to replace the redirect code with your article, then use an appropriate hatnote on each page to direct stray readers to the other article. – ukexpat (talk) 19:19, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I've offered Tenmei to help with moving the page once he/she finished a userspace draft of the proposed article. - Mgm|(talk) 19:39, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * If the new article is going to be at Dwight Heald Perkins, there won't be any need for a page move, just a copy and paste in place of the current redirect code. – ukexpat (talk) 19:52, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * They both have the same name so both the full name and the one with just the H. initial could be a suitable query for both articles. I would definitely make a hatnote, but I think renaming with a disambiguated title is in order to avoid confusion. - Mgm|(talk) 19:55, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Sandbox
How do I post an Article that I have in my sandbox? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Latinguy2009 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * See So you made a userspace draft for what to do next. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:55, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Having taken a look at User:Latinguy2009/Sandbox, it reads more like a term paper rather than an encyclopedia article. – ukexpat (talk) 14:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Deleting old page name
I recently moved my page and renamed it "Child Family Health International." However, I noticed that the URL still contains part of the old name: "User:Jevertoh". Is there any way to change the URL, so it appears like this using the new page name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Family_Health_International

Also, how do I delete the phase "(Redirected from User:Jevertoh/Child Family Health Internationa)" that appear beneath the page title.

20:57, 9 May 2011 (UTC)20:57, 9 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jevertoh (talk • contribs)


 * It's fine - it's a live article, Child Family Health International.


 * Your user-page, where you moved it from, redirects to the live page - see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Jevertoh/Child_Family_Health_Internationa&redirect=no.  Chzz  ► 21:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)