Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 November 10

= November 10 =

I didn´t find more information about a book, but I don´t want the deletion of the article
Hi. I´m user of wikipedia recently, and I was writting a article about the spanish book "Relatos desde el Umbral". The book exists, in fact i bought the book in Spain. You writted at first a Proposed deletion of my article because there is not many information about the book in internet, but this is the reason because I was writting the article. I just find information about it in some blogs and in some book stores. Can you give me a solution to don´t delete this article? I hope that you don´t delete the article. Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkMan66 (talk • contribs) 02:14, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, welcome. I'm sorry, but that book might not be acceptable; please see WP:NBOOK. Blogs and book-shops are not enough.
 * You could perhaps add more evidence of notability. You can discuss it in Articles_for_deletion/Relatos_desde_el_Umbral, where it will be debated for at least seven days.  Chzz  ► 02:18, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I have had the same problems too, but you should tell Wikipedia on the article's talk page and tell them you aren't ready for your article to be deleted. They might still delete your article, but you can always create it again, once you have more information about it. CPGirlAJ (talk) 19:01, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Need to Change Username or Immediately Delete current Wikipedia and start over
Hi,

I need to change my username for security purposes. This set up is so complicated with much verbiage, multiple direction and it is all so unclear to how I should proceed. I appreciate your help!

Regina Childs Teeny Tucker (talk) 02:45, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Changing username/Simple. - David Biddulph (talk) 02:55, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't have to delete current Wikipedia and start over, but if it is for security purposes, then you can but all the edits and articles you have created will be all deleted and you won't have credit for it anymore. If you just want to change your username, then all you have to do is visit the article Changing username/Simple or you can go to your username homepage and change your username from there. CPGirlAJ (talk) 18:58, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Are you sure, CPGirlAJ? Could you please provide a link to where it says that "all the edits and articles you have created will be all deleted"?  Also, could you please explain how a user can change their user name at their user page?  On trying to move a user page you will get a very clear warning: "Warning: You are about to move a user page. Please note that only the page will be moved and the user will not be renamed." - David Biddulph (talk) 19:25, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Stray question
Dear Mr. Asad (MP),

This is regarding my personal issue and family matter. I need your help badly or else no one except Allah can help me. Well i myself M.A.Rahman (hiding personal identity) until case is solved. I am one of the residents of Chandrayangutta and previously used to live in Azampura under Malakpet constituency. I am married to Muzaffar Hussain' last sister resident of Kurmaguda and contestant for councillor seat from Kurmaguda in the year 2010 against the opposition of Saadhu Yadav and badly defeated by him.

I need your moral help as they are trying to separate my wife and children and even they have not shown my children since my son is nearly 3 years. I am helpless as i am living in Saudi arabia and they also told me that they will cut me into pieces if i try to meet my son. I need your attention immediately to bring my son into my life as he is the only son to me and i am middle class person who has many dreams for my son. His future is in danger due to silly and stupid reasons and i dont think that there is any connection of my son with these things.

I need your urgent reply to send you the whole story.

Thanks and best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.99.29.36 (talk) 03:00, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  03:22, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

RE: Please read: A personal appeal from Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales
So Wikipedia does not advertise? Or do they only advertise there own personal appeals? How could they possibly beg the world for more contributions then they already have given? For Jimmy Wales to sit up on his high horse while so many have created his website for him... I just can't fathom how this is anything less than cyber begging. Take your website down, it's not even worth a college citation or even high school for that matter since it's not credible. That and you put your face on information, like it is yours. If the whole idea was to create a community to provide free information with the world, than why is it that you need to be paid? What did you do besides create a glorified forum, from which thousands and thousands made for you. You have free labor. You have one of the most popular websites. You control information. You keep your staff small and you not only ask the world for help, but you need it's money as well. You may as well began talking about monetizing your visitors, which you only have due to the hard of others. Did I mention all of that hard work was free for you. Oh wait, that's exactly what you are doing with your personal appeals.

So I get it now.

Does Wikipedia use advertising banners as a source of revenue contrary to what the personal appeal states? Yes, Wikipedia does.

How? Through personal appeals on every single article.

But wait Jimmy Wales says this isn't like those for-profit companies, who use point and click banners to gain profits? Yes, but you just clicked a banner, didn't you?

Yes I did, but how does that gain revenue for Wikipedia? Well unlike a point a click banner, where lets say a penny is earned per click. Just for instance. They link you to a tearjerker of an article, where they ask you to give them money. You even have a record of your 'contributions' top contributor.

Isn't Jimmy Wales the top contributor? Well he should be shouldn't he. It is 'his' website after all.

Well maybe he did most of the work? Well he should have, but no. It was all of you. In fact this website is based off of free labor.

Good luck figure out the rest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay eM aitcH (talk • contribs) 04:36, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Problems with an image
I have a problem with the image BSicon_uxgKRZo.svg. I changed it on Commons at 21:29 on 8 Nov 2011, because the colours were wrong. It is a canal icon for canal mapping, and now has a vertical blue canal crossing a horizontal green one. It can be seen on Template:Waterways_legend on the fifth line of the Bridges and tunnels section. It appears there in its original form, with a green vertical and blue horizontal. When I click on it, it shows in its correct colours, but not when I add it to canal route diagrams. Following advice, I have tried bypassing my cache, and clearing the cache completely, but on three pcs that I have tried, it is always wrong. Any suggestions what I need to do? Thanks. Bob1960evens (talk) 10:45, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks identical to me on this page as it does at User:Bob1960evens/Sandbox2. Green on the left and right, blue going over it from top to bottom. It might be your computer, it might be Common, which sometimes just has issues (recent thumbnail generator errors attest to this). I'm one of the more well versed people on files, and I've seen a lot of weird stuff with them, so my best advice is this: wait a week. If it still does in a week, then you have a problem. If its fixed in a week, something was off somewhere and it flushed itself out. Waiting solves a surprising number of problems. If waiting fails, have an admin (they're the only ones that can do this) upload the correct version locally on top of the commons version. (i.e. at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BSicon_uxgKRZo.svg, instead of commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BSicon_uxgKRZo.svg). If neither of them help, go to the IRC and find a developer. Sorry man.   S ven M anguard   Wha?  12:36, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It now appears correct on all my pcs. Must just have been slowwwww. Bob1960evens (talk) 13:03, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Atribution
I'm translating an article from the Spanish Wikipedia, but that article seems to be a translation of a German Wikipedia article. How should I give attribution to the original article also?--Cattus talk 12:44, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I assume you're talking about Third Portuguese Republic? The way it currently attributes more than one language looks good to me. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 12:54, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thanks.--Cattus talk 12:57, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Request to add new section for the 'Mehdi Hasan' entry
Sorry to clog up the helpdesk but I'm not sure how else to go about it

I've added a request to add in a 'Publications' section to Mehdi Hasan's entry with the information. It has been acknowledged but advised not to include the Amazon links. I've since amended the entry without the links, so can this now by added please?

The entry can just include the information of the publications without any links, or for the first book it can include the link to the publishers website http://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/ED/ and for the second book the publishers website is http://www.randomhouse.co.uk/editions/summer-of-unrest-the-debt-delusion-exposing-ten-tory-myths-about-debts-deficits-and-spending-cuts/9781446483855. If the links are still considered promotional, then they need not be included

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.105.132 (talk) 12:49, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The best way is to propose a precise change at the talk page (Talk:Mehdi Hasan) and add editsemiprotected directly above the proposed change --Philosopher Let us reason together. 13:04, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * ...where the question has already been asked and answered... – ukexpat (talk) 15:46, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Can i administrater please help?
Hi, im iBenTV

Im a huge fan of rihanna and i have notices a problem!

On her facebook photo, the tracklist for her new album "Talk That Talk" (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150354929736676&set=a.10150354929561676.340836.10092511675&type=3&theater) it listed the song "Saxon"... but on the Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_That_Talk#Track_listing) it didn't list the song!

I've checked Rihanna's twitter, fans were asking about the song "Saxon" weather its gonna be on the album... She comfirmed that it would be in the deluxe album! (DELUXE!!!!! RT @DaRealAyumYum: @rihanna Excuse me!!! where is the saxon/Redlipstick?!!! https://twitter.com/#!/rihanna [confirmed on her twitter page])

So! Can you please add the song "Saxon" to the deluxe edition list on her track listing page!

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IBenTV (talk • contribs) 12:49, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The best way is to propose your change at the talk page (Talk:Talk That Talk) and add editsemiprotected directly above the proposed change --Philosopher Let us reason together. 13:04, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Following on from my previous request to edit 'Mehdi Hasan' page...
I have already added the request to the Talk section (Talk:Mehdi Hasan), but had no response, hence why I am posting here! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.105.132 (talk) 13:29, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I've added in the exact entry I would like with the edit request at the beginning. Hopefully that should work. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.105.132 (talk) 13:41, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Making two columns
In Otium, about half way down, is a 4 line poem in Latin by Catullus. The English translation is directly below. I was thinking to put the English version directly to the right of the Latin version and then they would be side-by-side next to Catullus's picture. Can someone do this for me? Also, if its not too much to ask, can these two versions be centered on the page? There will be some white space then on each side. Thanks for the technical help.--Doug Coldwell talk 14:23, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * See Column. --Teratornis (talk) 15:53, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Or quote2col. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:12, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Searching Wikipedia
I have 2 PCs, both running XP Home and the latest Firefox (version 8.0) On the desktop machine the search box responds with a drop down list of possible topics as soon as I start to type. On the other(laptop) it only offers a selection of what I have previously searched. So far I haven't been able to find any setting to change to get the full dropdown to appear on the laptop. Using Google Chrome things work as I want, but Firefox is my preferred browser62.56.55.33 (talk) 14:26, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly certain you will get a better answer if you ask this at Village pump (technical). Ryan Vesey  Review me!  15:16, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * The autocomplete feature requires JavaScript. Is that enabled in Firefox on your laptop? If it's disabled then the table of contents on this page will not have a "hide" link. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:38, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

RE: Please read: A personal appeal from an author of 549 Wikipedia articles
I wonder... Why collapse my original post, requesting no modification. This is something worth discussion, is it not. And if Wikipedia is everything that it is suppose to be than my user comment will be left alone. Or directed to the appropriate place.

Here is another:

Again this will probably be collapsed as a rant as my previous one has been.

Tiny little donations support Wikipedia? There is an option to donate on a monthly basis. Options go up to $250 and other. These donations are not small because if a million people read the personal appeals and donate a dollar a piece. Well, that is a million dollars. I think donations are well beyond that with fewer people.

For discussion purposes:

I think Wikipedia should just post relevant ads to make money. Forget requesting donations, make it from other corporations. People work hard for their money. Very hard, something which would probably be incomprehensible to some. Close my account, if it must be done. How many read this section, but it is worth discussion.

The couple hundred servers and small staff do not take millions and millions to operate.

I think asking for a donation, on every single wiki page through the use of advertisement banners, is going too far. I think it is greedy. I think that Wikipedia should take them down. I think Wikipedia should switch to advertising or some other source of income, not to create a for profit company, but to pay Wikipedia contributors for every single contribution that is credible. And the personal appeals from the authors, are they by an chance employed by Wikipeida?

Please I open this conversation for discussion I am curious as to what others think, is Wikipedia not interested?

Thanks for collapsing my article calling it a rant. Really not worth user discussion? Perhaps a response and I will be proving wrong. Perhaps that will help you. Perhaps I am not the only person that thinks this way.

So Wikipedia does not advertise? Or do they only advertise there own personal appeals? How could they possibly beg the world for more contributions then they already have given? So many have created this website for who... I just can't fathom how this is anything less than cyber begging. Wikipedia is not even worth a college citation or even high school for that matter since it is not credible. Is information yours? If the whole idea was to create a community to provide free information with the world, than why is it that you need to be paid? What is Wikipedia besides a glorified forum, from which thousands and thousands made. May as well began talking about monetizing Wikipedia visitors, which you only have due to the hard work of others.

So I get it now.

Does Wikipedia use advertising banners as a source of revenue contrary to what the personal appeal states? Yes, Wikipedia does.

How? Through personal appeals on every single article.

But wait Jimmy Wales says this isn't like those for-profit companies, who use point and click banners to gain profits? Yes, but you just clicked a banner, didn't you?

Yes I did, but how does that gain revenue for Wikipedia? Well unlike a point a click banner, where lets say a penny is earned per click. Just for instance. They link you to a tearjerker of an article, where they ask you to give them money. You even have a record of your 'contributions' top contributor. And through the several personal appeals, they have earned more than any point and click advertising would ever make them.

Isn't Jimmy Wales the top contributor? Well he should be shouldn't he. It is 'his' website after all.

Well maybe he did most of the work? Well he should have, but no. It was all of you. In fact this website is based off of free labor.

Good luck figure out the rest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay eM aitcH (talk • contribs) 15:32, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, in fiscal 2011 it cost just under $18 million to operate the Wikimedia Foundation. They've accounted for every penny of it, every year. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:49, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Remove myself from occupied
how do I removed my self from this website. I have found someone here and want to thank u for the service. It is a great website. Thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.252.6.255 (talk) 15:41, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Please clarify your question. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:43, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Courtesy vanishing? ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:05, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps the IP has confused Wikipedia with a dating site? – ukexpat (talk) 16:08, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Why have the colors of the language templates become so pale all of a sudden?
The problem is not my computer—I've checked this on a # of machines. —65.88.88.9 (talk) 15:47, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you post the name or URL of a page where you are seeing this problem? -- John of Reading (talk) 15:51, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a problem per se, but I just wondered why this happened to all the language templates, without regard to which family they belong. Anyway, here's the link of an example, and here of another. —65.88.88.9 (talk) 15:57, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you are referring to the infobox at the top of the page— Infobox language. Related changes in the sidebar Toolbox shows that Infobox language/family-color was recently changed; see Template talk:Infobox language. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 16:10, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I was referring to. Thanks! —65.88.88.9 (talk) 16:17, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Article Has Missing Information
I just wanted to make the wiki editors aware that I noticed that the article on Genes has a missing section on a very key subject: translation (under gene expression). It even has a link in the Content Outline but there is no paragraph under the heading. I don't have enough knowledge myself to be able to add in the information, but I am merely hoping that someone will see this and fix it. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.146.200.254 (talk) 16:03, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops! The section was deleted in late September in this unexplained edit. I have restored the previous text. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:25, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops! The section was deleted in late September in this unexplained edit. I have restored the previous text. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:25, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

How to move a page when the "move' option isn't showing
I just tried to rename a page, but the tab that is meant to be there to do that is not there. Has anyone got the same problem, and solved it?

Thanks Claudia

P.S> I am locked in and I am on the default vector skin

(as shown in the how to section : 'With the page to be moved displayed, choose the "move" option near the top of the page. In the default Vector skin, this is in a drop-down menu to the right of the screen, after "History" and the "Watchlist" star (see picture)'.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pixiepolar (talk • contribs) 16:21, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Your account must autoconfirmed before you can move pages- that is, the account has ten edits and has been active for four days. You can also put in a request at this page if you do not want to wait. TN X Man  16:26, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Good to know thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pixiepolar (talk • contribs) 16:35, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Get my draft off Google
I am working on a draft for a business that is currently incomplete while I do some more fact checking. Unfortunately, when you type the name of the business my Wiki draft pops up as the first choice, and the company is not happy. How can I get google to remove the draft, or can I change something in my draft so Google won't pick it up? Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.84.227 (talk) 17:48, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, but you can use __NOINDEX__ to hide it.  HurricaneFan 25  17:52, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that it may take a little while for the page to drop off of Google's index; it may still be visible until then. We can't do anything about that, unfortunately. Good luck, UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 16:05, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You should probably place Userspace draft on the page, it will automatically add __NOINDEX__ to the page. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  16:18, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Live Chat
Hello, I am trying to use Live Chat in order to find out more specifics on my article review, and I cannot figure out where I am supposed to type/ask questions. I would like to contact a reviewer for advice, and am becoming frustrated with the process. Thank you, Melissa Warp

Melissawarp (talk) 19:17, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * will take you to the English Wikipedia Help channel. Clicking connect will use Webchat, but you can also use web-based IRC clients like Mibbit or Chatzilla. It functions pretty much like any other Instant Messaging application you're familiar with. There's a blank line at the bottom where you can type new messages. Messages by you and other people appear on top of it. See picture provided at the right.


 * It may take a while to get answers as not everyone on that channel is active at all times (and like everyone here, they're also volunteers). You can type  to "ping" whichever helper is currently active.--   Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   19:39, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Permission to Use Photo, But Requires Logo to Remain on Photo
Hi, A photographer has given me permission to upload his photo to wikipedia, but is requesting that his logo stays in the corner of the photo. Is this permitted by wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldaqua (talk • contribs) 19:31, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I can't find anything directly answering the question. I guess it would depend on the prominence of the logo: if it is discreet, I think there will be no problem, but if it is large and conspicuous this might be regarded as promotional. The other issue to be aware of is that "giving you permission to upload" is not sufficient: the copyright holder must agree to license the image under one of the licences acceptable to Wikipedia (in particular a licence that allows commercial use). Please see WP:Donating copyright materials. --ColinFine (talk) 22:17, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * In general, no, we don't allow uploads of images which require the display of a compulsory watermark or copyright statement. The shortcut to the appropriate part of the image use policy is WP:WATERMARK.
 * As well, you should probably make sure that your friend or colleague understands what uploading an image to Wikipedia means in terms of its licensing. We only allow copyright owners to upload images under free licenses which permit copying, reuse, and modification of the images, for both non-commercial and commercial use, as long as the creators of the image are properly credited.  (See Image use policy for the policy.)  We cannot accept media that are uploaded 'for Wikipedia use only' or under similar restrictions. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:30, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Editing is blocked on the page?
I seem to be able to edit other pages, but not this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_College

I am not sure, but wondering if there was a vandalism issue and editing was blocked?

lcwk (talk) 19:35, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Jefferson College has never been protected against editing. You should see an "Edit" tab at top of the page. Do you see a "View source" tab instead? If so then try clicking it anyway. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:42, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Has any headway been made at fixing this? I've seen it a lot the past few months and it's kind of a pernicious bug where people who want to edit an unprotected page are stopped from editing by a false display.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:22, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You refer to 27978. I don't know whether this bug was lcwk's problem. lcwk has not edited for 3 years and could have forgotten to click the "Edit" tab to edit the lead section which has no section edit link to the right. At User talk:PrimeHunter I wrote: "Do you have a recent example of a page name affected by the bug? I'm nearly always logged in and it appears to only affect logged out users so I don't discover examples on my own. MediaWiki 1.18 was introduced in the English Wikipedia on October 5. I haven't heard of a fix for this bug in 1.18 but an example since then would be good to show the bug is still there. If you post an example to me then I can post it to bugzilla." Have you seen a report since October 5 clearly saying there is not edit tab on an unprotected page? PrimeHunter (talk) 02:24, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the bug link. I have experienced it myself a few times now when not logged in, all in the past few months while reading sections of the reference desk and seeing reports of it here and there but I don't know that any were post October 5. I just searched the archives here and at the ref desk and all appear to be pre-October. I will be sure to note where is arises if I see it again.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:53, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

want to fil a complaint on donald smith
i need to file a complaint on a mr donald brown for using the internet to scam people out of money,i have all the e-mails sent to me promising me a laon. how do i file the complaint — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.106.212 (talk) 21:25, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No legal threats. And for what it's worth, this is more suited for the reference desk.  HurricaneFan 25  21:44, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * It doesn't sound like "donald smith" is a Wikipedia editor. It sounds like 75.32.106.212 is asking for legal advice, in which case, the Reference Desk can't help.  If that's the case, 75.32.106.212 needs to see a lawyer.   A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:01, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This is not the place for the question, as this page is for help using Wikipedia. But I'm afraid you have little chance of finding the scammers, never mind bringing them to book. "Mr Donald Brown" probably doesn't exist. --ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Fan Fiction
slaveleia.wikia.com and slaveleiafanfictiona.wikia.com contain adult content. They both claim they don't allow adult content, but yet they post their own adult content on there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.109.191 (talk) 21:41, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * This is a help desk for Wikipedia. We are unrelated to Wikia. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:44, 10 November 2011 (UTC)