Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 October 4

= October 4 =

Image upload request?
Is there a place where I could request that an image be created/uploaded? Specifically, I was thinking about the logo of charity: water, which is easy to find on the internet but not yet on WP. Thanks. Delaywaves  talk  01:31, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have uploaded it for you. Uploading organization logos are pretty straightforward.--  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   03:22, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The uploading is pretty straightforward, but the free use rationale tagging can be daunting for new users. – ukexpat (talk) 13:26, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I realize the uploading is simple, I just thought there might be some sort of fancy, svg, vector kind of thing to do. I've uploaded enough photos to know how fair use works, thank you very much! :) Delaywaves   talk  21:58, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * @ukexpat: Nah, I do mean it's pretty easy when it comes to logos. They come with their own fair use rationales if you follow the correct uploading link. Only thing you have to add, in addition to the file itself, is the article name and the link to the source. Other fair-use images are more problematic, of course.


 * @Delaywaves, you're welcome. And nope, low-quality (or low resolution) versions of non-free images are actually required when it comes to fair use images. They must only be big enough to be recognizable. If you go higher quality than that (as in an SVG or something else), it can't anymore be considered fair use.--  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   22:10, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, but I was thinking that if the logo was uploaded as just text, it wouldn't fall under the threshold of originality thing, like this image. The full logo looks better, though. Thanks again. Delaywaves   talk  02:20, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Can the 1969 film 'Alfred the Great' be purchased anywhere?
Is there anywhere the l969 film, "Alfred the Great" can be purchased? (or viewed). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.189.32.54 (talk) 02:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * For future reference this help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. Knowledge questions such as your belong at the reference desk. In any event, you can purchase it on DVD here, here and here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Plea for Henrik's 'Page View Statistics'
In view of the fact that from time to time (for example, since 28 Sept 2011 for the Yang Quyun redirect, and since 1 Oct, 2011, for the Yeung Kui-wan article) Henrik's 'Page View Statistics' seems to be not doing its job, it is sad (and a great pity) that such a great tool doesn't seem to get official Wikipedia support. For me, as a fledgling contributor, it is essential to be able to follow the evolution of hits on 'my' articles' on a daily basis. It also seems to be very popular with many other contributors.

So, I plead that someone 'up there' has a look at this tool and makes it an official, Wikipedia function, which will be maintained on a regular basis. Please advise what are Wikipedia's policy and planning for this tool.

It would be perhaps interesting to set-up a poll to sound out just what is the level of interest in Henrik's 'Page View Statistics'.

Sorry if this is not the correct forum. If this is not the place to register this plea, please advise where in the panoply of Wikipedia it will 'hit the right spot'! Duncan.france (talk) 02:47, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The correct place would probably be Village pump (proposals).--  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   07:30, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

False and misleading information
Someone needs to take this down! The information displayed on this page is largely biased, created by University of South Carolina fan and is a disgrace to a former public figure. There are families that are affected by these lies and Wiki pages shouldn't be used for ones personal gain. I for one was offended by the disgraceful choice made by the author. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.147.59 (talk) 04:35, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The article on Tillman has multiple authors, and appears (at least on initial inspection) to be properly sourced. Given that he died in 1918, I find it difficult to see how 'families' are likely to be significantly affected in any case: can you elaborate on what the 'lies' are, and how anyone could be using such alleged 'lies' about events in the distant past for 'personal gain'? We are unlikely to 'take down' an article without evidence from reliable sources, or at least, without an indication as to  what the problem actually is. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:48, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

White Hart pub Aston on Trent
I am really disappointed to note that you continue to allow information about the pub named above that is incorrect and damaging for the pub and its managers. The White Hart has not been voted the worst pub at all and has for your information being in the local press for being one of the friendliest pubs in britain. I have always thought wikipedia to be one of the most informative sites on the internet but now worry that this is not the case. It appears that one someone is on a "witch hunt" you allow your readers to print slander without checking out the information first! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.176.244 (talk) 06:35, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for drawing attention to this. Since the allegation was added without any indication of where the information came from, any editor may remove it (see WP:BURDEN). I have removed that sentence and will keep an eye on the article.
 * Remember that this encyclopedia is written and maintained by volunteers. With roughly 3.7 million articles and 40 edits made each minute, it is impossible for everything to be checked first. Most mis-information is caught fairly quickly, however. See About and Reliability of Wikipedia for more. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:07, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Remember that this encyclopedia is written and maintained by volunteers. With roughly 3.7 million articles and 40 edits made each minute, it is impossible for everything to be checked first. Most mis-information is caught fairly quickly, however. See About and Reliability of Wikipedia for more. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:07, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia-specific URL shortening service
Is there a standard pre-existing URL shortening service tailored for wikipedia URLs? For example, I would like to be able to refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page as something like http://enwi.ki/Main_Page or maybe http://wi.ki/enMain_Page ...

I tried searching the FAQ and help desk archives at WP:Help desk, looked at WP:FAQ Index, Help:URL, and Category:Wikipedia link help, but found no answer. Even tried http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=URL+shortening&namespace=5 to no avail. Thanks in advance for any help... 67.101.5.216 (talk) 07:15, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know where the documention is, but http://enwp.org/Main_page works. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:20, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * See User:Tl-lomas/enwp.org for documentation and Village pump (proposals)/Archive 74 for some history. Goodvac (talk) 08:04, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the prompt reply. Is there any reason I shouldn't update Help:URL to document this for WP:READERS interested in referencing an article in a tweet? 67.101.5.216 (talk) 10:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ with this edit. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:24, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have clarified the unofficial status of http://enwp.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:15, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Updating articles on channel
Why are you not updating the articles on Indian channels (e.g. Cartoon Network (India), Disney Channel India, Pogo TV, Hungama TV, Disney XD (India) etc.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pranav.jha98 (talk • contribs)
 * Wikipedia is a volunteer effort. People edit articles on subjects that they're interested in.  So maybe those articles have little interest to anyone who is actively editing.  If you would like to, you can update them yourself.  Be bold!!  -- Dismas |(talk) 08:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Welcomes and warnings
I've noticed that sometimes, when I place a warning notice or speedy deletion notification on an otherwise blank user talkpage, a welcome template is automatically added as well. That's not a problem - far from it - but I'm curious to know what the criteria are for adding the welcome template. It doesn't happen all the time, so there must be some function in the template structure which decides whether or not to welcome the user or just substitute the warning template on its own. Yunshui (talk) 08:41, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * One of the templates that does this is . It uses the clever coding in . When this detects that you are creating a brand new user talk page, it throws in a welcome template above the warning. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

be bold
I want be bold but I don't have much information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.0.9.203 (talk) 09:33, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Depending on what you want to be bold with, this might help: List of free online resources


 * Have a look here, as well: Help:Getting started --  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   13:09, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Titles
I need some guidance with some titles, ie Chidvilasananda and Muktananda. Some editors have argued that titles like this should not be used in an article title, but in this case these people are never known as anything else. Their full titles are Swami Chidvilasananda and Swami Muktananda, so would it be acceptable practice to use these names as the article titles? Can't find this in the titles policies. Sardaka (talk) 10:15, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Per WP:COMMONNAME, we usually use the title by which the person is most commonly referred to in English. These should probably be Gurumayi Chidvilasananda and Swami Muktananda respectively, based on a few minutes research on my part, but someone with more knowledge and access to sources should make the decision. Yunshui (talk) 10:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * However, article titles don't use personal titles like "Mr." and "Dr." and "Reverend" or things like that. Wouldn't a title like "Swami" fit into this mold; it's a title and not a personal name, and so shouldn't be part of the article title, n'est ce pas?  -- Jayron  32  13:23, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Review of article
My article on the kuramo foundation is yet to be reviewed. who and how does an article get reviewed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuksemeka (talk • contribs) 10:24, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I see that you found it; Requests for feedback/2011 October 4. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:45, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Appropriateness of something I want to put on my userpage
Would it be appropriate to put unpublished scientific results by someone else (who said I may update the article in question with that information) on my userpage and let them stay there indefinitely? I think it would not fall into one of the categories listed at WP:UPNO, it is unpublished information I received from someone else through personal communication outside of Wikipedia related to the topic of an article here on Wikipedia. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:53, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not believe it would be appropriate for you to add their unpublished results to your page. Your page is to coordinate your activities here on Wikipedia and these results do not relate to those activities.   GB fan 12:08, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You might work information into a draft of an article, and put it in your userspace - something like User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Draft or some such. But unpublished results are inherently unreliable by our standards - they may well be accurate, but they are (by definition) not published in a reliable source. I'm not sure they'd be appropriate for an article, unless they could be verified or collaborated in some way using published sources. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 13:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think the information would be appropriate for a draft article, as I don't believe the information in question will be published in the near future. But I guess if I manage to formulate it in a clever way, I could place that information on my userpage as something like information about my personal beliefs (for example I could create a userbox saying something like: "This user believes that (insert unpublished result here) is true.") :) Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't think that to be particularly appropriate. I find such userboxes such as "This user believes..." to be generally unhelpful towards building a collaborative environment, and I can't find any other reason why you would want to publish previously unpublished data which would be useful towards improving encyclopedia articles... -- Jayron  32  13:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I could put it into Category:Humorous userboxes. Then anybody coming to my userpage could see it and decide for their own, whether they want to trust the results or not. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Information not showing in the final page after saving
I have a legal wikipedia account. My user id is abhikdhar2009. I am trying to add information in the wikipedia current events page but it is not showing in the final page. I have saved the information as directed in the page. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE PROBLEM ??!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhikdhar2009 (talk • contribs) 12:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much Obsidian Soul and I am extremely sorry for shouting. The information is about the most important celebration for Bengali people and I just wanted it to share it in Wikipedia current events section. You can also check out it's authenticity. just click on the following link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durga_Puja. Thank you again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhikdhar2009 (talk • contribs) 13:10, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much John of Reading. I have added the news source. I trust Wikipedia and users like you and Obsidian Soul above everything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhikdhar2009 (talk • contribs) 13:22, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Cache problem? The edit shows up in the history and on Portal:Current_events. Jarkeld (talk) 12:43, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * And please do not shout.--  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   12:54, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The entry is unlikely to remain for very long because you have not given a news source, as required by the Portal:Current events/Edit instructions. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Trouble adding logo image to university infobox
Have loaded the image file successfully, but when I add its name to the university infobox for Saint Joseph Seminary College it doesn't show up: only the filename does.

I've uploaded logo files and inserted them into infoboxes before, this one is puzzling me... where have I screwed up?Pcounce (talk) 14:11, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, I logged on to the page with Firefox and everything is fine. IE also works. For some reason Chrome doesn't render the image. I've cleared the cache, I still wonder why this is so...Pcounce (talk) 14:18, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * by User:Toshio Yamaguchi in this edit. – ukexpat (talk) 14:19, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Infobox parameters are not standardized. This one is documented at Template:Infobox university. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:21, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The template documentation says, the image parameter for this infobox needs to use image_name. Do you still have the rendering issues in Chrome after the fix? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:28, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Everything seems fine now. Chrome works fine.Pcounce (talk) 14:53, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Foreign language templates
I am translating Saône from the corresponding French article. There is a template on French wikipedia called "relevé hydrologique", for river flow rate graphs. It doesn't seem to have any English equivalent. Is there a way of importing it or referring to it on the English page? Thanks. Zargulon (talk) 14:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The French template is at fr:Modèle:Relevé hydrologique. Templates from another Wikipedia language cannot be used. Somebody would have to create a version at the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:34, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * How would 'someone' do that? Or is there any way of expanding the template in French Wikipedia so that the expanded markup can be imported to the English page? Zargulon (talk) 14:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * In the Sanskrit Wikipedia, I copy paste the source code of the template from another wiki, and create a new one that way. Not sure how feasible that would be here.  Lynch 7  14:47, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I will take a stab at an English version of the template. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Here it is: Template:River discharge. Feel free to edit it. The below use was copied from fr:Saône with parameters translated to English. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Zargulon (talk) 15:54, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

article will not print
Hi,

The article "Theropoda" will not print on 10-4-11. All other Wiki articles I want I can print without problems -- which leads me to believe there is something wrong with this particular page. Can you fix??

ALSO -- your "Contact Us" process is a lumbering, ponderous mess! A quick and simple email link FROM ANY PAGE would be best. Thank you.

A contributing member, Steven


 * Do you get a specific message when trying to print? Does the printable version render in your browser or does the problem already occur there? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 14:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The "us" that you could contact by email is quite a small number of people, who would get swamped if many people did so. Far more people monitor the various help desks, reference desks, and noticeboards. --ColinFine (talk) 22:29, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Chat trouble!!!
I am getting trouble with my facebook chat. I am not seeing my friends who are online, it is saying that my chat is disabled. HELP ME PLEASE Janelleangel (talk) 14:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Symbol_move_vote.svg Have you tried the section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia.  For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: [ click here] . I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:45, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Year of death of Hortensia Bussi, Salvador Allende´s spouse
There is a incongruency:

In link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende, they say Allende´s spouse, Hortensia Bussi, died in 1973. However, link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hortensia_Bussi indicates that she died in year 2009.

Which one is false??

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.217.50.194 (talk) 15:02, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1973 is the year she stopped being his spouse because Salvador Allende died that year. Jarkeld (talk) 15:11, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Where in Salvador Allende does it say she died in 1973? It says that they were married from 1940 to 1973.   1973 was when he died, not when she died.
 * Note that to link to a Wikipedia page you can use Salvador Allende, rather than the internet link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende.
 * Note also that when you post to a discussion page like this one you should sign your message by using either 4 tildes ~ or the signature button above the edit window. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:16, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Historical places in india
Is there a place called Anothaththa vila in india? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.189.188.77 (talk) 15:26, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Not that is mentioned in this Wikipedia, and this help page is for questions regarding using or editing Wikipedia. For more general questions, try WP:RD. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:33, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Signature
Can somebody help me with User:Rcsprinter123/sig? It currently produces

and I can't get the code right. Thanks,  Rcsprinter  (rap)  16:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about the code, but it does appear that your signature is longer than the usually permitted 255 characters (and not just the entire code, which I am aware is substituted- I'm referring to what actually ends up as your signature). See WP:SIG for more details. TN X Man  16:31, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You have to subst uses as in . That looks right to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:34, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks.  Rcsprinter  (talk)  16:40, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Book on a 155 Howitzer
How do I find a book (Field Manual)on the 155 M-114 Howitzer - 16:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)16:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)16:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)16:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)16:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)50.89.26.113 (talk)


 * You won't find the Field Manual within Wikipedia, and this help desk is for questions about using or editing Wikipedia. You might try the reference desk. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

how to get film article titles to display in italics
(Sorry, if this matter should've been evident to me. I tried navigating the search but didn't get anywhere.)

Here, the article title looks like this:

Shutter Island  (film)

On the other hand, here, it looks like this:

Kazimierz Wielki (film)

How do I get the latter into the former's format, so that the film title itself is italicized, but not the explanatory addition "(film)"? Thanks for helping me – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 18:39, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I have added Italic title. It is automatically added by default by Infobox film but that infobox is not currently used in the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:46, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, the template does it, then. Thanks for letting me know. I saw that it was hidden in the article but didn't know that would effectuate anything. One more question, though: What will happen once the  template is made visible / activated without the template you added being removed? Will that then negate the formatting – i.e.: "italic + italic = non-italic"–, or will it still display properly? – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 19:20, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * No, they won't cancel out like that. See Page name. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:33, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks! – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 21:40, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Article submission rejected on obviously ridiculous grounds
I submitted an article about the longest paved downhill stretch of road in the world and it was rejected on the grounds that Google Earth was not a reliable source to verify the data! This is ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.235.190 (talk) 18:53, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean. I see no edits by this IP indicating you submitted anything. I would also suggest you read our policy on original research. TN X Man  18:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * From what I can see, I'm guessing that this comment is related to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The longest paved continuous downhill road inthe world. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:35, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Written an article, now what do I do?
I've written an article for Wikipedia, it meant creating a new page as one didn't exist on the subject before, but what happens now? I move it, is that right? But then I'm told I'm either blocked or I'm too new a member. Am I doing this right? Help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suffolkscribe (talk • contribs) 19:19, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have moved it to Screen One for you.  Rcsprinter  (talk)  20:43, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Every pages of Wikipedia in Italian is currently blocked. Who can decide to block the whole Wikipedia?
Every pages of Wikipedia in Italian is currently blocked as a protest against a law about freedom of the press that Italian Parlament is now discussing. I agree with the reasons of the protest, but not with the tool adopted. Who can decide to block Wikipedia? Please see http://it.wikipedia.org/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sacherbix (talk • contribs) 19:34, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but we no authority on the Italian Wikipedia. Any issues will have to be addressed there. TN X Man  19:43, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I've brought it up at User talk:Jimbo Wales.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:47, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * There is talk and some links at meta:Wikimedia Forum. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:14, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

What happened to the picture of the bumblebee bat?
When Kitti's Hog-nosed Bat (the smallest mammal) attained Good Article status, it apparently had a photograph as evidenced from but I can not figure out what happened to it. Was it deleted? If so, can it be restored or replaced? I checked commons, and only found the map in the article. Can be used?  It appears to be public domain as a product of the Thai government's Science Department. Can someone who knows for certain please do the needful? My Thai is very rusty and Google Translate is somewhat comical in this instance. 69.171.160.201 (talk) 20:02, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The deletion log reads: 23:34, March 15, 2009 East718 (talk | contribs) deleted "File:Craseonycteris thonglongyai.JPG" ‎ (CSD I5: Non-free image that was not used for more than seven days). – ukexpat (talk) 20:07, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * According to the edit summary in this diff the file was deleted from commons due to copyright issues. I don't know the Commons policy for such a case, but perhaps you could ask a Commons admin to undelete the file, then transfer it to Wikipedia and upload it with a proper Non-free use rationale. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 20:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The claim of smallest is debatable: it's between the bumblebee bat and the Etruscan shrew, depending on what metric you use. The shrew is the smallest by average weight--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:00, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have restored the fair use-claimed local image and placed it in the article.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:09, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

book
If I have written a book, that pertains to Demonology, is it spam to add an external link on the pages that pertain to it?

Kurt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soymilk43223 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read this. If your book is highly notable, it will probably be added by someone else, and if it's not very notable, your edits would look like you're promoting yourself. City O  f Silver  21:11, 4 October 2011 (UTC)