Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 April 20

= April 20 =

Disambig and redirect
I can't sort this out. The first article is a disambig page, although there's no basis for it as it has only one blue-linked article it points to. You could argue that the red-linked article points to three different blue-linked articles, so it would be hard to put a pointer in just one other article. However, only the Jean Coralli article even mentions the ballet anyway, so the others are relatively worthless. That little mess is compounded by the fact that there is this other article (the second one above) that does exist. The difference between it and the red-linked article in the disambig is the umlaut. However, the umlautless article is a redirect, and it points to the Marius Petipa article. Although Petipa was a ballet dancer, the article doesn't mention this particular ballet, so I have no clue why it points to him. Finally, how did the redirect article even come into being? It has no history, so the editor just created it as a redirect?

Now I can nominate both the disambig and the redirect articles for deletion, but I thought I'd come here first to see if there's something I'm missing here. That, of course, assumes you're still reading this convoluted post and you care. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 00:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Assuming that the umlautless redirect is appropriate (i.e. that there is some tenable connection between Burgmüller's La Péri and Marius Petipa), then the umlauted redlink should also be redirected to the same place. Considering that there is nothing about Burgmüller's La Péri actually in the "Marius Petipa" article, you could make the case to delete the dab page, but the redirects should probably remain unless there really is no connection between Burgmüller's La Péri and Marius Petipa. -Thibbs (talk) 00:55, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've asked the author of the redirect to explain his thinking. Even assuming we end up with a list of two blue-linked articles in the disambig, the disamig should probably be deleted per WP:2DAB with a hatnote on the Dukas page (primary).--Bbb23 (talk) 01:04, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Good point. -Thibbs (talk) 01:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

All these procedural issues, and User:‎Fuhghettaboutit is really doing something of substance: La Péri (Burgmüller). I'm tired at the moment and will revisit this tomorrow. My guess is Fuhghettaboutit will have straightened it all out by then. My hatnote's off to him (sorry, couldn't stop myself).--Bbb23 (talk) 01:46, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * (e/c) I think I've solved (obviated) the issue. I simply wrote the stub on La Péri (Burgmüller) and then pointed the La Péri (Burgmuller) redirect at it. Meanwhile, now there's a basis for the dab page to exist.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:53, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Per my comment above, I appreciate what you've done, but I don't see why we need the dab per WP:2DAB. We can just put a hatnote on the Dukas article, which, in my view, is primary. I realize that 2DAB doesn't mandate deletion, but that is the "recommended practice".--Bbb23 (talk) 15:10, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all, I quite appreciated the pun! Second, read WP:2DAB again (and see also WP:TWODABS). We don't need a dab page for only two entries if one of them is the primary topic (not the case here, or at least that hasn't been determined; the dab page is the main title and both entries are at parenthetically disambiguated names). If one of them was the primary topic and was at the main title, then we would have that arrangement because we determined that a reader searching for La Péri was most likely looking for the one at the main title and those who wanted the other will find a hatnote in place, and be one click from their target (we hope, if they notice the hatnote). This minimizes the number of clicks for the most readers. But if the pages are basically equal as targets of search, we present readers a dab page at the main title so we don't confound their expectations about half the time, and we present them with a clear path to their target through the choice presented at the dab page. Also, without a dab page, we would have to arbitrarily choose which article the redirect from La Péri would point at.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I realize that my point depended on my determination that the Dukas article is the primary topic. However, I don't know what the rules are on that, of if there are any, so it's probably WP:OR. BTW, you shouldn't swear at yourself, you'll damage your keyboard.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:21, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * La Péri (Burgmuller) is a vanilla #REDIRECT (I have changed the generic to the more specific  .) — Robert Greer (talk) 11:13, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

== How does one ask a question about an article I read? I could find no follow-up on this interesting article. Since I don't belong to the upper crust which seems seems to flock here, I might need more help that most. ==

I have on numerous time received rude and condescending remarks when I've asked questions or confronted people due to their superior attitudes. I resent this as I thought all of us who participated we on par with with each other. This is the furthest from the truth. I'm disappointed as I held Wikipedia in high esteem. My thoughts are changing. Lee Hollimon' Leeflea (talk) 02:43, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I've seen multiple thoughts such as this, but I'll stick to the original question. Usually my approach is to post a new section with the question you want to ask on the article's talk page.  If I don't see a reply within a day or two, then I'll look at the article history and see either who created the article, or who's been recently active in editing it.  Then I'll go to that user's talk page and ask them.  I hope that helps - and feel free to stop by my talk any time.  2eschew surplusage (talk) 02:49, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I looked at the response you received to your last helpdesk question and I see nothing condescending in it or any superior attitude on display. I then looked at your talk page and see your reaction to what looks like to me a friendly tip, was to interpret it as a "rebuke". I think you are seeing negativity and condescension where none exists. One of the problems with text communication alone is that one loses the all the signals and nuance of body language and tone. If you read those message back while imaging a friendly, helpful voice speaking, then you should view them as friendly and helpful since there's nothing in them I can see that has led to your negative perception of them.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:10, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk banner
Anyone know when the "You've got new messages" talk page banner began? 2eschew surplusage (talk) 06:07, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well... it was around in 2003. - Purplewowies (talk) 06:51, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ty - was thinking 05-06. 2eschew surplusage (talk) 07:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Harv errors
hello,

could someone fix the harv errors at The Concert in Central Park? Bizarrely I can not find the errors. Thanks.-- GoP T C N 10:45, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * what are "harv errors"? 2eschew surplusage (talk) 10:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Citation errors with Harvard citations; with this tool you can view the errors. Regards.-- GoP T C N 10:53, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I fixed two by replacing author with first and last. Extant problems:
 * Holden 1981 has no shortened citations
 * Holden 1982 ditto
 * Eliot 2010 has no full citation
 * Eliot 2004 ditto
 * ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 13:59, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Calcium carbonate
Within the article on Calcium Carbonate, there is reference to a process called "palcining". I beleive that this is a typographical error and should read "calcining" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.12.239.122 (talk) 13:37, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Go ahead and change it!--ukexpat (talk) 14:07, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting us know. I changed it.  In the future feel free to make those changes yourself.  Ryan Vesey  Review me!  14:08, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * This was vandalism from two days ago. I have restored another part of the article that went missing as a result. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to leave a note on the page's talk page -- go ahead and be bold and DIY ~Eric F [temp IP=98.26.28.41 (talk) 18:46, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Citation covering many points and vice versa
Dear Wikipedia, To progress my article I have a couple of questions. 1)	When adding a citation (in the form of a link to another website) that confirms not one, but many points covered in the article, where in the article do I put the citation? 2)	Conversely, can I add a citation to just one point covered in the article, that refers to many websites, so that I can show that a point was confirmed from many sources?

I do hope that makes sense.

Thank you very much for your help

Maya Frida Barr (talk) 14:44, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Take a look at WP:NAMEDREFS.--ukexpat (talk) 15:05, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

References within Talk page sections
Does anyone here know if there a way to make a deploy within a given section, such as when posting a sample of proposed article text to a Talk page? I could have sworn I once knew how to do this, but I can't seem to find it in guidelines now. Please show me the way, if you know it. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 14:59, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * How about Reflist-talk?--ukexpat (talk) 15:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * That's it! Thanks so much. WWB Too (talk) 15:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Please provide feedback for a page about Markus Vinzent
I messed up before and created a page that was too similar to a similar page. So this time I'd like to get feedback BEFORE I send it public.

Please add feedback to teh talk page for this entry about Markus Vinzent —Preceding undated comment added 15:05, 20 April 2012 (UTC).


 * If you click the "submit the page" link in the box at the top of the draft, it will be submitted to the Articles for creation process where it will be reviewed. – ukexpat (talk) 15:08, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Request to Unblock ArmadaBackupServices
Hello,

We have an outside firm performing a lot of our marketing requests. We are a backup company that is a competitor of other backup companies like:
 * Mozy
 * Carbonite (online backup)

To which we want to do two things:

1. We wish to add an Armada Backup page, just like the ones above, and also add our information to the page listed below:


 * Comparison of online backup services

We are a legal business that operates in San Diego, CA and have operations in US, Brazil and Germany. We can provide any credentials upon request. Our site address is: http://secure.armadabackup.com

Kind Regards,

Samuel A. Armada Backup Corporation Network Administrator — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samarmadabackup (talk • contribs) — Samarmadabackup (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * To be blunt, Wikipedia doesn't work like that. If your company is notable, per the guidelines at WP:CORP, someone will write an article about it eventually, using reliable sources to demonstrate notability. Wikipedia is not a business directory nor a venue for advertisements masquerading as articles. Your agency should not be creating an article about your company because of the agency's almost insurmountable conflict of interest. – ukexpat (talk) 15:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

REQUEST FOR YOUR GOOD BOOKS
HELLO SOME OF YOUR GOOD BOOKS I USED TO RECEIVE FROM YOU ARE  NEEDED PLEAS. PLEASE SEND TO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.61.79.254 (talk) 16:06, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you've got the wrong website. This is an online-only encyclopedia. Wikipedia doesn't send books to anybody. Also you probably don't want to post your personal information online like that. There are a lot of crazies in the world. -Thibbs (talk) 17:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have removed the contact information. Thevinines (talk) 17:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

This guy is joking. He's made many constructive edits since 2007. Drla8th! (talk) 18:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It might be a shared IP address, or an address that the ISP has happened to reallocate recently. --ColinFine (talk) 08:46, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Help with a non-English Speaker
I'm trying to help out an editor on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doniago#Asus_tablet_grammer_problem. my Talk page] whose primary language is not English, and I'm having a great deal of trouble understanding their concerns. I posted a request for assistance at WT:Translation but haven't received a response yet; I'm not sure that area is actively monitored. I suspect the editor's primary language is Farsi, and browsed a list of Farsi-speaking editors (Category:User fa-4) but it appears most of them have not been active this year. I believe the editor means well, and I would very much like to assist them, but it's difficult to do so when I don't know what their specific questions are. Thank you very much for your assistance! Doniago (talk) 19:38, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I don't speak Farsi, but I wanted to point out that I think you may have mislinked your talk page. -Thibbs (talk) 19:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you intend to link here? -Thibbs (talk) 19:57, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops! Fixed. Sorry about that. Embarrassing. :) Doniago (talk) 20:17, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I see that his longest contribution to the ASUS article was about "unpredictable rumblings". I guess you need to explain to him that documented sources are preferred to rumblings. Good luck. Maproom (talk) 20:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I tried doing that, but his response was where the English problems got to the point that I couldn't formulate a response because I couldn't comprehend what he was saying. He seems well-intentioned enough, but I can't answer a question I can't understand, heh. Doniago (talk) 20:17, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

How can I upload my picture to my site?
Please provide directions to upload a picture to my site Nanwriter (talk) 19:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you asking how to upload an image to Wikipedia? Or are you asking about how to put an image on your userpage? Or are you talking about some other website? -Thibbs (talk) 19:47, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think she's talking about the autobiography she's committed at Nancy Rubin Stuart. Nancy Rubin Stuart, that is not "your site": it is an article (or rather, an autobiography disguised as an article) about you. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  20:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Entry for United States Presidential Election Results, 2000 (detail)
Please be advised that at least one column of the chart in this entry is cut off from the right side of the screen and therefore is not visible on the screen. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.38.4.80 (talk) 19:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I see 12 intact columns that all fit on my screen. Is this the article you were viewing? It may have to do with your screen settings. -Thibbs (talk) 19:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The article has a wide table which doesn't fit on all screens. Your browser should have a horizontal scrollbar so you can view the rest. You can probably also change text size of a page with and  if you want it to fit. Reset with . PrimeHunter (talk) 20:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Broken source links
On one of my articles, one of the sources is no longer available. How do I mark is as a "broken link"? I've seen it before, but don't remember how to do it.  Fry1989  eh? 23:55, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * See Link rot. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:46, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks  Fry1989  eh?   00:47, 21 April 2012 (UTC)