Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 August 1

= August 1 =

Issue archiving certain EW.com articles using webcitation
I'm having a small issue when trying to archive certain EW.com articles that use this format "http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20483133_20589547,00.html", particularly everything after article/ is what I think is the problem. It archives them but when you try to view the page you get this with the message "Duplicate headers received from server The response from the server contained duplicate headers. This problem is generally the result of a misconfigured website or proxy. Only the website or proxy administrator can fix this issue. Error 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION): Multiple distinct Content-Disposition headers received. This is disallowed to protect against HTTP response splitting attacks." I know this isn't webcitation, but does anyone have any experience with this and dealing with it? I assume it happens with other sites occasionally. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:13, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You know, those links both displayed fine for me, and then MS Security Essentials suddenly caught a rather unpleasant-sounding bit of software. Exercise caution. BigNate37(T) 00:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

A7 speedy deletion...why?
Hello! I made a wikipedia article for a guy in my town named Michael Parrish. The article is Michael Parrish (Musician). It says my article meets criteria for speedy deletion? Please tell me what i did wrong.

T — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mparri11 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It's all explained at Criteria for speedy deletion.--ukexpat (talk) 01:57, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Editing Wikis and it showing up on the Facebook page
I edited the wiki on Dunwoody High School, adding a logo. The logo is NOT appearing on the Wikipedia-based page on Facebook. How do I make it so that the logo shows up on the Facebook page as well? Claudiabenson (talk) 04:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, we have no control over what Facebook do - you would have to ask Facebook (which probably isn't very easy). However, I've tweaked the logo a bit to see if Facebook like it more in a different format. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 04:57, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The logo File:Dunwoody_High_School_Logo.jpeg is in copyright limbo right now. I do not know if this has any effect on whether Facebook pulls the image or not, but right now that image is set to be deleted in seven days if its copyright issues are not addressed. This is explained on the page for the image itself. BigNate37(T) 06:13, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I've fixed the copyright issue - no idea if this will make Facebook happier or not. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:06, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you, all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claudiabenson (talk • contribs) 03:13, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Having trouble adding a header image correctly to an infobox template
Hi, I made a new infobox template for TransLink railway stations in South East Queensland, and I want to add a little TransLink logo to the top left of the title bar that shows the name of the station, but so far all I can get it to do is either stick directly to the left side of the text or have a weird gap below the image and the title. How can I fix this? The page is Template:Infobox_TransLink_railway_station Thanks, Traveller  QLD  (talk &#124; contribs) 06:36, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, that logo is copyrighted and non-free, and logos do not qualify under our Non-free content criteria policy for use in templates. Non-free content and Non-free use rationale guideline are the applicable guidelines that expand on how this policy is applied. BigNate37(T) 06:54, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Template:TransAdelaide uses a logo in its header. Traveller  QLD  (talk &#124; contribs) 06:58, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * File:AdMetTrainTransAdelaide.jpg is freely licensed. File:Translink-corner-logo.png is non-free fair use content, and only has a fair use rationale for use in Central railway station, Brisbane. In fact, that's probably not a sufficient rationale. TransLink (South East Queensland) is the only article that can really justify bearing a non-free logo for TransLink, and it's already using File:TRANSlink-brand.svg. I'm not a resident copyright policy expert so I don't feel comfortable spelling out exactly how things have to change, but that situation is going to be have to be looked at and fixed. If it's any consolation, I looked at your template code and tried to see if I could help you solve your technical problem, but that's a bit over my head as well. BigNate37(T) 07:05, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe WP:FUC #8 is where the restriction on use of non-free logos comes from that you see in Logos. Specifically, WP:LOGOS states "Logos should not generally be used as icons within an article's Infobox." BigNate37(T) 07:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah.. it's licensed like that because I uploaded it and it said I couldn't set the page it's used for the be the Infobox. If I change the license would I be able to use it? Traveller  QLD  (talk &#124; contribs) 07:12, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Only the copyright owner can choose what license to release the logo under. Your responsibility as the uploader is to choose the license template that's appropriate for what the company has chosen. If I'm at the correct TransLink website (there are like five companies called that) then http://translink.com.au/site-information/legal/copyright states that the logo cannot be used for commercial purposes, which is incompatible with our free licensing requirements (see WP:NONCOM). BigNate37(T) 07:17, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Lame. I'll just remove it then. Thanks anyways. Traveller  QLD  (talk &#124; contribs) 07:22, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks as though TransLink makes use of the same free images as Adelaide for bus, train and... is that a taxi-boat? For instance on the bottom-right of http://translink.com.au/tickets-and-fares/fares/ekka. You may wish to try using File:AdMetTrainTransAdelaide.jpg or a coloured variant of it since it appears to be the same? In any event, I'm sorry I had to rain on your template like that. I'm off to sleep for the night, happy editing. BigNate37(T) 07:37, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Re the removal of my article on Frederick Tibbenham
Hello, My well-researched article on Frederick Tibbenham has either been removed, or is about to be. The remover says there are no sources. I can't think why such a statement has been made. All sources are checkable, and from reliable sources, such as the British War Museum's photographic collection - available on line, and the UK census, and the Daily Mail's archives. A search of 'Frederick Tibbenham' will bring up all quoted sources, but the removalist says he can only find one source of anything related to FT on the NY Times site. All the references are also contained within my Facebook page entitled 'Friends of Oakhurst' https://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/groups/friendsofoakhurst/. Can you intervene? I have asked for the deleter's help to cite, rather than delete, as I know the entry to be correct and accurate. Thank you, Pandora Melly Pandoramelly (talk) 08:19, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The Frederick Tibbenham article is (in my opinion) better and less biassed than most new articles, and I hope it will be retained. The problem is, I think, that the references are not incorporated in the article in the approved way. They should not just be listed at the bottom of the article, they should be linked to from the statements which they support, like footnotes.
 * I have begun to remedy this, by trying to do one of them in the approved way. I am far from an expert in this, and I may well have done it wrong, but I believe I have improved the article, and its chances of avoiding deletion. I hope you will be able to do the same for your other references. Maproom (talk) 09:00, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. It would help to start with more information about who Mr. Tibbenham was: nationality, date of birth, profession. Something like "Frederick Tibbenham (1892-1968) was a British carpenter and businessman".


 * You mention here that some of the information comes from the Daily Mail's archives, but the article's sources don't mention any newspapers. If this person has received coverage in a national newspaper then the article is much more likely to be kept. I suggest you edit the article to show which information comes from news coverage, using the cite news template to format the title, headline, date and author neatly. Sources for Wikipedia articles don't have to be online. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:25, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree that the article looks potentially salvageable with a bit of rewording and a lot of reference-finding and formatting, although a google search does show hits being a bit thin on the ground other than catalogue listings of named Tibbenham furniture for sale. Well researched the article may be, but unfortunately, well referenced it is not.  If you have access to offline sources, such as books and articles about Tibbenham, you need to add them as citations to the article using the format suggested by John of Reading.  I will start trying to help out with improving the article.  But please note: (1) Wikipedia is not for promotional purposes. The article will stand or fall on its merits, irrespective of your desire to raise Tibbenham's profile as part of the campaign to preserve his work, however worthwhile an aim this may be. (2) Correctness and accuracy are not criteria for keeping or deleting a Wikipedia article, although they are important in assessing its content.  What matters most is whether the article shows how its subject is notable by Wikipedia's standards, and whether the information is verifiable and impartial.  Links to Facebook pages are unacceptable anway, and you can't expect readers to go chasing off somewhere else to look up a list of references - you have to cite each reference to the statement in the article that it supports. -  Ka renjc 16:18, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Holidaysafe
Hello, I was wondering if anyone could review my first article before I post it?

'Holidaysafe'

Thanks,

RichMoon RichMoon (talk) 09:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The article is currently at User:RichMoon/Holidaysafe. Maproom (talk) 10:36, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * As it says at WP:ORG: an organisation is notable by Wikipedia criteria if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability. I can't find any such coverage of Holidaysafe.  None of the links or "references" you provide are anything other than listings or incidental mentions, and Holidaysafe's own website doesn't count.  The only vaguely promising one was the Which link, but there's nothing about Holidaysafe at all on the page that you've linked to.  What you need is actual articles about the company in independent media sources, such as newspapers, journals, magazines or mainstream professionally produced websites (not user-generated).  You need to assert how Holidaysafe is notable by Wikipedia standards (have a look at WP:GNG too) and then to support that assertion by referencing to the coverage I mention above.  Without this, the article will not survive in mainspace for long.  -  Ka renjc 12:08, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the feedback - I've made some changes and added more references, could you let me know if the page is looking better now? Thanks RichMoon RichMoon (talk) 16:05, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * In my view it reads like the "about" page of a website - ie it's too promotional in tone and I am not convinced that notability has been adequately demonstrated either.--ukexpat (talk) 17:16, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Check I'm not spamming
Hi, I am the editor of film review website flickfeast.co.uk. We have been referenced a few times on wikipedia and we have just published a great Top Ten Pedro Almodovar article which I was adding as an external link on the wikipedia film pages of the titles we have included.

I hit a warning that you might consider such action as spamming. Can you please confirm if that is the case as I do not mean to spam you!

I had intended to also add external links to some of our best reviews to individual film pages. But I won't if you consider that spamming.

Thanks, Robin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robin Yacoubian (talk • contribs) 09:39, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:LINKFARM and WP:EL. Both are relevant guidelines about the external links that can/should be listed on an article.  Generally, we don't list just any review.  We do use reviews as sources if they come from noteworthy reviewers.  Dismas |(talk) 10:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. You shouldn't add links to your own site. Our policy page External links says: "you should avoid linking to a site that you own, maintain, or represent—even if Wikipedia guidelines seem to imply that it may otherwise be linked. When in doubt, you may go to the talk page and let another editor decide." Even if it wasn't your site, it may not be suitable for the external links section, unless it provides substantial information that couldn't be added to the article. The external links section is very selective, and only the most important links are included. Links to official web pages are fine, major interviews are often linked, and we can also have links to material too detailed to be included in the article.  Reviews can be mentioned in the article and included in sources/references sections, but we don't include lists of reviews in the external links section. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:00, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, understood. Apologies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robin Yacoubian (talk • contribs) 12:12, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Accounts
 * --Hu12 (talk) 18:52, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * --Hu12 (talk) 18:52, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

GA
Why won't the GAList template show up here?  Rcsprinter  (state the obvious (or not))  @ 10:08, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The source comment right before must end with  and not just  . PrimeHunter (talk) 10:31, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

New astray template
I made this to work on other pages besides help desk. It will be handy on article talk pages when someone has a question about the subject. Thoughts? Template:Astray2--Canoe1967 (talk) 13:36, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * (non-redirecting link: )
 * We could just bake this functionality into astray and have it automatically detect whether it's been placed on the help desk or elsewhere. I might poke around with this myself in a day or three if nobody else has by then. BigNate37(T) 07:58, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * My search box is on the left side of the screen, which is where I want it, but other than that this looks fine. A person asking in the wrong place is not likely to know about changing the appearance of the page, though.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 13:43, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅: I've now changed astray to incorporate Canoe's context-generic phrasing. Any tweaks to the template's wording can now be applied to both "versions" at once, which ensures they do not become divergent. You may continue using it as it was originally intended with no change; if you subst it elsewhere, it now has Canoe's wording. I have redirected astray2, as it is now redundant. Marking this as resolved; if we want to change the wording of astray itself, let's take that to WT:HD or to Template talk:Astray. BigNate37(T) 04:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't understand where this would be useful with the language its generating when posted outside of this page. The one place it was used as astray2, Talk:Olympic Park, London, it made no sense at all in response to the question asked. It's bad enough it's misused at least half the time on this page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:45, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * That's the only placed it was used without substitution, which is wrong to begin with. We should never use a template without actually reading it first, and this one is no different. I agree that the instance to which you refer was incorrect. The documentation explains when to use it, and uses this example as an appropriate time to use the template—that is, when it is obvious that the person who asked the question believes that they are at a website operated by the subject of their query. You may wish to read the 28 August 2011 TfD for Astray, where others also criticized the template out of concerns for its misuse. BigNate37(T) 05:07, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes Nate, I know: I created the template, wrote the documentation, added the example of classic use you're citing to me, and was also the nominator at the Tfd you're citing! I would like to see examples of where this would be useful outside of this page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You mean I typed all that for naught?! BigNate37(T) 05:36, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol! Well it does have a z number, so we can track how it's being used. Again, I am having trouble imagining a post to which it would be responsive and appropriate outside of this page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)
 * Well, supposing in the example that a similar question was asked at Talk:Waltham Watch Company. However, I don't have a real example to show you. Thanks for the link to the z number; I hadn't heard of that before. BigNate37(T) 05:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If a similar question was asked at the talk page of the watch company then the opening of the template about "I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles..." would make no sense whatsoever, because we would not suspect they read some article out of our millions. Rather, we would know exactly which article they had read. It would need to instead open with something like, " Even with that tailored opening, the language "this page differs from the one you may be seeking" doesn't make sense. It implies there is another page at Wikipedia they may be looking for, not that they are in the wrong place.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:47, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Fix redirects post-move
A couple of times today I've had to manually fix a bunch of double redirects after a page move - and after closing this AfD the other day I found myself having to manually delete about 25-30 redundant redirects. I know there's a bot for fixing double redirects, but do we have a tool that allows bulk deletion/redirection of such pages? There's possibly one in the admin toolkit, but if so, I haven't found it yet. Much obliged for any suggestions. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 12:42, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I use User:Splarka/ajaxbatchdelete.js for bulk deletion tasks - cut and paste the list of redirects from "what links here", tidy the list and off you go. Adminbot  is still active. I don't know of an admin tool for bulk redirecting, but you could always use AWB. BencherliteTalk 13:00, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Splarka's batch deletion tool looks like just what I'm after; cheers Bencherlite! Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 13:05, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

a copyeditor for me
hey all,

can anyone advise hwo i can get a copy-editor to help edit anything i do to be better english and grammar since i am crap at it and spellcheckers dnt work for me, i really want someone help with questions i have for a request for comment i am doing to make them more neutral and clear and concise, any advice will be appreciated.-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 13:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest asking for help at WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests; they're a nice bunch and are always looking for stuff to fix. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 13:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * i thought that might be the place just looked like it was for project to do article work not people work but ill give ti a try-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 14:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Google translate any help? http://translate.google.ca/?hl=en&tab=wT --Canoe1967 (talk) 13:34, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * i wish ;) but i dnt think google does translation from english gooble gook to english;# ;) my language is english but it is extremely poor and spell checker do not work well they work a little but not much-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 14:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Google translate does not have an English gobbledegook -> English setting. And if you just ask it to translate English -> English, it cheats and copies all the errors. Maproom (talk) 14:38, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

i had a call off the ombudsman to say i have won my case
hi i have been fighting the N.H.S in warrington hospital the doctor killed off 25% of my heart and last mouth the ombudsman called me to say i have won my csae and as soon as i get the report give it to my solicitor but ? the ombudsman will not take my calls he wus on hols just be4 he did this case i called the ombudsman office and they told me he on hols wot a job it been covered up by some 1 in goverment the 1st yr they seen off my solicitor so had to get a new 1 and tobe told that i have won my case wus so good then the bad news i think he been sent home and that y he cant talk to me it bad if i dont have human rights it me and my son that have to live with this he a little boy and help me lots more then the hospital did it bad news mr paul jackman — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.60.149 (talk) 14:52, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Legal no.png We cannot offer legal advice. Please see the legal disclaimer. Contact a lawyer. Roger (talk) 15:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Doesn't look like a request for legal advice to me. And they imply that they already have a lawyer.


 * Congratulations on winning your case, Mr Jackman! This is an online encyclopedia. Are you or your son interested in helping to improve it? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * i can give you general advice, even with the ombudsman finding in your favour it can not be legally used as something to sue over, it only says your complainant is upheld and that there has been failings. i am awaiting my ombudsman report although i m not looking to take legal action regardless of the outcome if i did i can not do it with the ombudsman report but it give you good standing because if the ombudsman has found in your favour and notes failings then your lawyer can investigate the same things and if they find it you might have a case, this is the only advice i can offer-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 18:21, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Placement of my Wikipedia entry in Google search results
Hello,

About two weeks ago I created a new Wikipedia entry called "Library Assessment". When I search for it in Google it appears on the third page of results. All the other Wikipedia entries that I have searched for appear on the first page as the first or second result. Can you pls. explain/fix this? Thanks. Lynne.porat (talk) 14:54, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * We have no control over Google. I suggest you just write the best article you can write and then Google will list it appropriately according to their own rules. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 15:21, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * AFAIK Google ranks pages according to the number of incoming links, so a new Wikipedia article would rank far lower than a mature article that has been linked in a myriad of blogs and other web pages. If the world considers the article worthy of mentioning and linking, it's position in the Google listing will climb. Roger (talk) 15:27, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * And to be frank, we are here to build an encyclopedia, not engage in a Google popularity contest.--ukexpat (talk) 17:26, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you Roger. Ukexpat - It's got nothing to do with popularity, it has to do with visibility. If the library assessment community (or anyone else) is going to benefit from a Wikipedia entry it should be on the first page of results. Lynne.porat (talk) 17:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't here to benefit an organization or provide visibility. It's an encyclopedia. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 15:17, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I am new to Wikipedia and I find the suspicion displayed by the Wiki community quite amazing - and frankly very disappointing. It is certainly not the encouragement or help I expected to receive when I asked my original question. After spending hours preparing a Wikipedia entry (in my free time) as a service to the library community, I did not expect to be accused of trying to promote my organization (a governmental university) when all I asked was why is it so difficult to find on Google. And just so you know, since I raised the issue, its placement in Google has changed dramatically - so thanks for helping! Lynne.porat (talk) 08:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

College Athletics pages -- team rosters -- Adding (W) to the LEGEND box and Q re: how to use the LEGEND codes
Example: Kansas Men's Basketball page found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Kansas_Jayhawks_men%27s_basketball_team#Roster

1. The roster section of all such Wikipedia pages contains a LEGEND box that apparently is centrally managed, as it does not show up in the edit box when I am updating roster information.


 * Request adding (W) for WALK ON to the LEGEND box template to allow providing additional information for users.

2. The LEGEND Box currently contains:

(C) TEAM CAPTAIN

(S) SUSPENDED

(I) INELIGIBLE

a Red Cross icon for INJURED a Red Shirt icon for CURRENT REDSHIRT.


 * What are the preferred ways to implement these notations when writing/editing the roster information?

These are ways I have found in exploring various pages --

A. (C), (S) or (I) (soon to include (W)? :) can be inserted after the Player's Last Name (3 single quote marks)(x)(3 single quote marks) where x is the relevant code.
 * I have also found them coded as note=x, where x is the relevant code.

B. CURRENT REDSHIRT coded cur_rs=yes

C. INJURED coded inj=y


 * Are these last three examples the best way to code these notations?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by LTCUSARet (talk • contribs) 15:57, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

How to change a photo on a page
I recently added a photo on the commons, PSTC Logo and would like to change the crest on the Peace Support Training Centre page, but the directions are completely confusing. I also cannot find the uploaded picture now, even though it's uploaded — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul E Hook (talk • contribs) 16:11, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The image you uploaded is located here: commons:File:Peace Support Training Centre Logo.gif, and i have changed the photo on Peace Support Training Centre with this edit.
 * But is the licensing correct on the image you uploaded? The old image (File:PSTC Crest.jpg) seems to be copyrighted, and yours is practically identical. benzband  ( talk ) 16:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

re- Frank Slide
Attention Editor:

I just visited the Frank Slide in southern Alberta at Crowsnest Pass. The place is Alberta not Northwest Territories.

Thanks for your kind attention.

Lina G. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.29.166 (talk) 16:42, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * A hidden comment at that point in Frank Slide states: "Please do not change this to read "Alberta". The Province of Alberta did not exist until 1905." I'm not familiar with that geographic area or history, but apparently when the slide occurred (1903), it was in the Northwest Territories. Cresix (talk) 16:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * At the time of the slide, it was in the District of Alberta which was in the Northwest Territories. benzband  ( talk ) 16:54, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Co-opted link
Was in this article on Charros, or Mexican horsemen:

Charro

There is a link to the San Antonio Charro Association toward the bottom, but when you click on it, it looks like some Chinese squatters are using that link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.100.24.58 (talk) 17:24, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I have removed that link.--ukexpat (talk) 17:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Translation copyright conflict
The copyright bot detected that there is a page with the same text for Mieczysław Detyniecki in english contribution. What happened is that i translated the text from the spanish version, it turns out that somebody automatic translated the same content and published in her page. It is possible to notice that it is a (1) copy and (2) automatic translation by reading the second paragraph. The automatic translation does not make sense. Moreover, the notes numbers were copied - but not the notes content!

The following talk addresses this issue: User_talk:Polish_art_student.


 * This is the entry under the history of Help desk/Archives/2012 July 29:
 * (cur | prev) 18:13, 1 August 2012‎ Polish art student(talk | contribs)‎ . . (19,677 bytes) (+644)‎ . . (→‎August 01) (undo)
 * — Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:31, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Timing of controversial changes
Has Wikipedia any 'tool' to tell if there is an increase in controversial changes when editors in the northern hemisphere have their daily routines disrupted by vacations (plural, because its not just one's  own but all our children,  grandchildren, nephews and nieces etc., all competing for one's attention whilst they’re on vocation). It might be that these incidences remains constant though-out the months (but I doubt it). Yet equally, it could be, that since the number of editors to oppose these changes (7 days) dwindle in number during these times - they take advantage - or could it be their ad hoc timing  just happens to work  in their favour. Some editors, whose life style appear to enables them to live online 24/7 and  without of all  these distractions,  seem to have  the advantage here; for  pushing through controversial changes that would not survive at other times. I'm curious, because it seems to work both ways. Over the years I've seen some good changes made when the cohort of uniform editors, guided only by popular opinion (that they’ve  picked up from the popular press), have had the rug pulled from under them by editors that have well informed professional insight of the subject. Some statistical data  would help to find a better way to diffuse  the apparent POV pushing  and Wikilawyering by the back-door. P.S. I 'am officially on vocation!--Aspro (talk) 22:03, 1 August 2012 (UTC)