Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 August 16

= August 16 =

Submitting a 7-in-1 DYK hook
Apparently somewhere I screwed up! I am trying to submit a 7-in-1 DYK hook, but apparently didn't do the last couple of steps correctly. Can someone add the Template I made to the August 16 DYK submission list. I can NOT figure out how to do that step. As you can see from my contributions I made the Template, but then got lost in the next step. I have forgot how to submit to August 16, as it has been awhile since my last DYK. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell talk 12:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Crisco 1492 fixed the problem. We are all set.--Doug Coldwell talk 14:02, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Ambrose!
I have a letter dated early 60's that I kissed ambrose from the band The Leaves. They were in San Francisco. When i looked them up, i found no name of Ambrose! Any body know who he was because he WAS in the band, i just can't find out which band member he was..Anybody know??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.22.33.161 (talk) 00:54, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. RudolfRed (talk) 01:32, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Ambrose! From a band called The Leaves.
I have a letter dated early 60's that I kissed ambrose from the band The Leaves. They were in San Francisco. When i looked them up, i found no name of Ambrose! Any body know who he was because he WAS in the band, i just can't find out which band member he was..Anybody know??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.22.33.161 (talk) 00:58, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello. First please note that knowledge questions belong at the reference desk. As accounced at the top of the page, this is not a general help forum but for questions about using Wikipedia. Anyway, the person is question was Tom Ray, the drummer, who had the nickname Ambrose. See this search. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:05, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Redonda Stamps- Whence?
I recently discovered some attractive stamps from Redonda- but no listing in Scott catalogue. Given your interesting description of an uninhabited island, I must wonder where they came from and by whom! Any advice appreciated! Bruce davidson


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.
 * But since you ask: Redonda is a dependency of Antigua; the latter country issues stamps with the name of the island on them, which are even less useful in a genuine postal sense than most small-country issues for the collectors' market. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  02:25, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Odd Seach Result
A search for "asencio" seems to yield only the artist. However, the composer Vicente Asencio is in Wikipedia and comes up when the complete name is used. ?????

Don't waste your time providing me with an explanation - I just wanted you to know about it.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.144.79 (talk) 03:44, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ You are right. Generally I can use "Asencio" as a disambiguation page, but as this is a common name, I instead added a hatnote on the top of the page. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 09:24, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You can perform a search by clicking containing... in the drop down box below the search box, instead of hitting Enter. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:31, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

My talk page
Any idea what is wrong with my talk page, User talk:CambridgeBayWeather? When I open it all I get is an empty page. I can open a section and edit that, including changing my preferences and getting at the first section. I had assumed that it was something to do with the size so I had one of the bots archive it. However, the problem still exists. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 05:41, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks fine to me. Maybe trying purging your browser's cache?  Dismas |(talk) 05:44, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks but that didn't work. But now I know that if I log out I can open the page and see all the messages. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 06:03, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've checked this on two different systems now (Win7 & Firefox and Mac OS X & Safari) and the page renders the same on each of them. Dismas |(talk) 06:59, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The page works for me. Did you clear the entire cache? Which skin and browser do you have? Is the url http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather&action=edit when you edit the whole page? Does http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather&action=edit&useskin=cologneblue work? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:21, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Just found the problem. I am using either Firefox or Chrome on Ubuntu and both give me the blank page. The first link PrimeHunter gave was the one I was using to edit the page but the second didn't work either. THe bypass page I had checked and made sure that I followed the instructions. After I checked in Chrome and I found that my sockpuppet could edit the page I started wondering what the difference between the two accounts was. It turns out that using User:Cacycle/wikEd is the culprit. Turned it off and I can edit the page. Of course why just my talk page is weird, though I remember it happening on a template page once before, so I'll go ask over there. Thanks for the assistance. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 14:53, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Why is a template and sig not showing on an article talk page?
I just closed an edit request at Talk:Regular Show with 🇪🇸 and my signature. However, it doesn't show up on the talk page and when I open the editing interface, I see the text as 🇪🇸 ~. FloBo  A boat that can float!   (watch me float!)  06:37, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There was a hidden comment that wasn't closed. I accidentally hit save instead of preview when I was checking to see if that was it, so it made it my signature and I've replaced it with yours. - Purplewowies (talk) 06:52, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * All right, thanks. FloBo   A boat that can float!   (watch me float!)  07:08, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Is this a reliable source?
I want to write an article about shipping for Wikipedia and have text from a well-respected shipping newspaper (published all over the world) which I can use to verify statements. As this newspaper is only available online by prescription, meaning you need a password to read it, Wikipedia editors will not be able to check this source unless they are subscribers. Since this source exists, but probably cannot be checked by most Wikipedia editors, is it still regarded as a verifiable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helkar (talk • contribs) 07:22, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If it's as respected in its industry as you say, then yes it would be considered reliable. See WP:PAYWALL for more on subscription sources.  Dismas |(talk) 07:58, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Obtaining images for Death of Tia Sharp
There are many images on the web relating to this case. Is it likely that any of them would be usable in WP? What's the best way to go about searching? Would it be permissible to use any of them under item 10 of wp:NFCI? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.141.14 (talk) 13:48, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If you can't find a free image, then you can upload a non-free image from the web, but it must fulfill the requiremented listed at WP:NFCC. For example, you must provide a good rationale and the image must be of lower quality. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 13:54, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

How do I license two Wikipedia images with my own image.
Hi, I am new to downloading images. Want to download two images: File: Schloss Ortenberg im mai 2008.jpg {Public Domain License}. and File: Field of flowers in taiwan.jpg {cc by 2.0 License}.I am combining the two Wikipedia images with my own original image. I would like to publish the completed image in a book. How do I combine licenses, as I would like to license my own work. Thank you. Urse (talk) 14:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You will probably get a quicker response over at WP:Media copyright questions.--ukexpat (talk) 14:11, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think Reusing_Wikipedia_content will answer your questions. Let us know if it does not. -- SPhilbrick (Talk)  16:12, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Original research/computer example
IBM 3270 I wanted to to provide an example of the 3270 datastream, so I coded a simple example of an output datastream, but am now having send houghts hat his constitutes "original research". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Flass (talk • contribs)
 * Other programming related articles use code examples as illustrations (see Pascal (programming language) for example) and I don't think it counts as original research. It's more akin to taking a photo and adding it to an article in my opinion. Lineslarge (talk) 20:44, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

How to create an external link to a wikipedia page and section?
I would like to create a URL link to a specific wikipedia article and section within that article. I have a wikipedia account but am not really familiar with editing or adding content. I would like to use this mechanism to send the URL to someone via email so they can go directly to the section of the article to which I am referring. I have seen other people/sites be able to do this, but I am unable to find a guide explaining how to do this. It seems that the page needs to have certain tag marks to support this, but I can't figure out much of the rest.

Also, as a related questions, if a page does not have these certain tags to support this, I would like to know hwo to add them so that if I ever ant to link to a section that does not support it, I can add the ability to do so and then send the link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allanonmage (talk • contribs) 15:17, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin#Commemoration will take the reader to the Commemoration section of Charles Darwin in the same way that the Charles Darwin wikilink does.--ukexpat (talk) 15:42, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * One way to do it is to click on the name of the relevant section in the article's table of contents and then just copy/paste the URL from your browser's address bar. Deor (talk) 15:51, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As noted, clicking on the table of contents should work. Generally speaking, if an article has more than 2 or 3 sections, it will have a Table of Contents. If it is shorter, there's not easy way that I know of to find a specific section, but it is generally not needed in such a short article. (There are some exceptions, longer articles where the TOC is suppressed, but those are rare.)-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  16:08, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Link added but name needs to appear instead of number assigned.
On Jump Up! entry I added a link to Air Studios Montserrat. The link is active but the name does not appear just the number "1". This is my very 1st edit on Wikipedia. I would like the link to be correct so that it will stay. I got into this because of the Elton John bassist suicide in the media today. I was concerned who died because during the recording of Jump Up at Air Studios Montserrat I babysat Davy Johnstone's and Nigel Olsson's children. Everyone was wonderful to work for and the children were delightful. The volcano on Montserrat blew in 1995 and 2/3 of the island population had to flee (thanks Wikipedia for that entry!). By chance, a regular middle class American girl was blessed to experience an incredible time in a gorgeous place with amazingly nice and super talented people. So, the link would be appreciated. Air Studio Montserrat gave me and many musicians fond memories. I think Elton John even married a woman from the Caribbean at the time. Nigel Olsson's wife (she and her husbands 2 different accents were adorable!) wished I could tour Asia with them but I had to go back to school. Then, I think their hotel room got robbed soon after that while on tour. I remember being glad that I wasn't there for that! Well, thanks for reading and your help will be appreciated! Peace and best wishes! The post is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_Up!
 * I converted it to a reference, however, I didn't see anything that stated the album was created there, did I miss something?-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  16:02, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Repeating items on the Help Desk
A little while ago I put a question on the HD, which got no responses, and eventually rolled off into the archives.

Fair enough, these things happen. What I want to know is: is it okay for me to put the same question up every now and then (say, once a month) in the hopes that new people will see it and be able to help? Would this be considered spamming?Ordinary Person (talk) 15:57, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If it didn't get answered, feel free to post again. -- SPhilbrick (Talk)  16:04, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I see you asked a question, Help_desk/Archives/2012_August_9 that was not answered. I have never seen a way for anything in tables to be automatically updated.  I think if add in a new row you will have to update everything manually.  GB fan 16:52, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I remember that question. I started to look into it, thinking it would be easy, then got distracted, and didn't follow up. The folks that hang out at WP:VPT are pretty good at technical table isuses, and can give you a better answer, if one isn't forthcoming here soon.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  20:03, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I, for one, see nothing wrong with posting the same question over and over again, if you don't get a reply. The only thing to note is not to do it too frequently. Once per hour or once per day is far too frequently. Once per month or once per a couple of months shouldn't be a problem. J I P  &#124; Talk 20:04, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ever since January 1 I have tried to make sure every question gets some sort of reply, but sometimes I have absolutely no idea how to answer. But I thought I answered this one by suggesting WP:VPT. Maybe I got distracted.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, y'allOrdinary Person (talk) 14:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Homotopy retract
I found this article and want to forward it to whatever WikiProject would deal with it but I can't even tell what it is. Does anybody know what this is? Is it eligible for it's own article or should it be redirected to Homotopy? Ryan Vesey 16:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That definition is discussed in Homotopy, so I guess a redirect would work. -- SPhilbrick (Talk)  16:15, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I did so. Ryan Vesey 16:18, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Cannot login
I cannot login and I seem to get the result that I have never posted anything. My handle was YouRang and I recently tried to update my account to realize that I have a new email address. At that time it said I had had over 50 posts. But nothing shows up anymore. I would definitely like to keep my old account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.123.16.110 (talk) 16:17, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There's no account with the name "YouRang" but there is one named "YouRang?" with 181 edits - is that you?-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  16:44, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Another way to assist - responding to article feedback
You may have noticed a new link at the top of your watchlist ("Feedback from my watched pages"). I have just reviewed some of the feedback on my watched articles and most of it was constructive and easily resolved by pointing users to relevant help pages, the reference desk etc or by minor edits to articles. Just a thought if regulars here are interested in responding to feedback.--ukexpat (talk) 16:57, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

re ww.2 MIA pilot NORMAN WHITTREDGE, shot down over Kakeroma Island 1945.
I run an MIA Search organization and have been searching above MIA for nine years. He was killed in the crash of his aircraft over Kakeroma Island and may still be buried there. Local eye witynesses claim his remains may have bveen removed by US shortly after wars end in 1946/47. HAS AN MIA'S BODY FROM KAKEROMA ISLAND BEEN REOCRDED AS RECEIVED AT THE MILITARY CEMETERY IN MANILA EITHER BEARING THE MIA's NAME OR NOT ? BRYAN MOON. MIA HUNTERS INC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.83.231 (talk) 17:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--ukexpat (talk) 18:05, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

ROM 5:12 should be moved to Rom 5:12, but the page already exists
The page for the Marduk album Rom 5:12, was created as ROM 5:12 in 2007. In 2008, someone created the page Rom 5:12, which later was changed to a redirect to ROM 5:12. I believe ROM 5:12 should be moved to Rom 5:12, as that is the name of the record, and ROM 5:12 should redirect to Rom 5:12. I can not do this as a normal user, as far as I know.

Meaningful Username (talk) 17:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Please follow the the instructions at WP:Requested moves.--ukexpat (talk) 18:07, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I already went ahead and performed the move. Was this wrong? J I P  &#124; Talk 18:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm happy... Thanks to both. Meaningful Username (talk) 18:19, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * (Responding to JIP) As a regular at WP:RM, if a formal requested move request was made here, I would snow close it, move the page per WP:CAPS, WP:MOSCAPS and WP:TITLEFORMAT, and advise the requester that this could have been listed at WP:RM/TR as uncontroversial. In short, absolutely not.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:28, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Questions Needing to Be Answered
I have some questions on the very last section on this page. I also have a question on the very last section on this page. If you could answer those questions, then please do. CPGirlAJ (talk) 19:24, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * First question answered at your Commons talk page and repeating here: Please take a look at the extract from the deletion log at commons:File:USA Olympic Swimming Michael Phelps and Ryan Lochte.jpg - "(C) Photo by Al Bello/Getty Images - flickr user AN HONORABLE GERMAN is blacklisted at commons:COM:QFI". The image is copyrighted, but that flickr user has uploaded it pretending that it is not, see commons:COM:License laundering.--ukexpat (talk) 20:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for answering my question. My response is here. CPGirlAJ (talk) 20:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Please note that Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Commons are separate websites; issues there really should be raised and handled there. Hers fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 21:44, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Paul Ryan
It appears that the talk history on Paul Ryan does not mention the disappearance of the brown noser reference. On Saturday, there was a mention that his high school classmates had voted him Biggest Brownnoser. By Sunday afternoon, that reference had been excised. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.169.207 (talk) 22:05, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Likely because it was either determined to be vandalism or so trivial as to not be worth mentioning. Dismas |(talk) 01:09, 17 August 2012 (UTC)