Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 August 27

= August 27 =

Can I use info from this site on mine
I plan on starting a website on traveling to Europe. I was wondering if I can use content from the site if I change it up and put in my own words. Can I also use pictures from this site. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Europestephen (talk • contribs) 00:05, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Removed duplicate question. See the licence  for how you are allowed to reuse the content.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:23, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Forgot to mention, images are not all under the same licence. You will need to look at each one to see if the licence for that one allows reuse.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:30, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

File added in Wikipedia instead of Wikimedia Commons
I Added a protrait to the article about Guy Colwell and put it as file in Wikipedia, together with the Category:Guy Colwell. It should be in Wikimedia Commons. I did it there but now it should be deleted in Wikipedia (i hve no right to do it). Who will do it for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huiwaeller (talk • contribs) 00:28, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You should be able to post a request at WP:Files_for_deletion, with the "now commons" tag to indicate that the file is now at Commons. RudolfRed (talk) 01:30, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I have deleted the local file under section G7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, using this request by you as uploader as the basis. However, here or there, that file will likely be deleted since it contains no information about your authority to release the image under CC-By-SA 3.0. "Sent by author" doesn't tell us that the author released it under a suitable license or into the public domain, nor under the license you chose for it, nor would an assertion that you had that permission be sufficient. You will need to use the OTRS system and provide proper evidence of release. Please see Commons:Permission and Commons:OTRS.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:56, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Crystal Ball from the past template?
I know about WP:Crystal should be used in the case of someone including information about the future, but what should be used as a template on refs where the event took places after the time of the reference. For example, let's say that there are other references that the 1920 Democratic National Convention took place in St. Louis in August, but the only reference for the date is from a newspaper article from *prior* to the convention saying that representatives are going to the convention on August 11th-14th. Would that rate a WP:Crystal template, or would some other template be appropriate?Naraht (talk) 00:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * How do you know it actually took place if no refs are there to prove it? ;) benzband  ( talk ) 10:12, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There are other references from later on which talk about it, just don't give a date. I know this got a smiley, but I really am wondering.Naraht (talk) 12:07, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Top searches from Google:   which mention a date.  benzband  ( talk ) 20:35, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was coming up with what I thought was a theoretical example, the 1920 Democratic Convention was in San Francisco, not St. Louis. (What I'm actually looking for is International Boy Scout Jamborees.Naraht (talk) 21:49, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think crystal ball applies here. The underlying concept is analogous, but crystal ball in application addresses topics of articles. I think the issue here is simply one of verifiability. Criticism of the references under the scenario you've presented would be that such references indicate the dates expected, but cannot verify the dates for sure. If you have to mark these with any template then I would use Better source noting that issue as the first parameter, which takes  .--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that was what I wanted. (And I intend to mark some of my own references that way if I can't find "after" references)Naraht (talk) 15:09, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Nectar Design - COI - help seeking a community editor
Help Desk,

I represent the company Nectar Design, and am looking for guidance with regards to an issue on the page, which can be found here:.

On August 9th, a user "Nectarinc", also affiliated with the company, made a number of changes to the page, most of which were immediately (and correctly) reverted by a user Dino72. Many were repeatedly changed/reverted in a short period.

Understandably, this raised concerns on the Talk page about COI, using wikipedia for marketing, etc. However, there are legitimate, factual, errors on the page (e.g.-one of the employees listed is no longer an employee), as well as some necessary additions that I believe are in the pages best interest.

I asked for assistance on the articles Talk Page, but so far haven't heard anything. I would like your help approaching a community editor in good faith so that I may provide them with the correct information and relevant source material so that the page can be updated successfully, and to the communities satisfaction.

Thank you,

Terry the Polar Bear (talk) 01:49, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Someone just recently replied on the article's talk page, so if you list your proposed changes there, it should get attention. If not, look at the edit request template and add it to the talk page.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:13, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Help with title and map marking
I am having trouble putting an infobox map on my new page. First: I titled it wrong: Bob%27s_Park,_Jessup,_Maryland instead of Blob's Park, Jessup, Maryland Second: I cannot get the coordinates to mark on the map. Can someone fix my title mistake, as well as point me to how to put a mark on the map with coordinates? I apologize, in advance, if this is the wrong place for these questions. LarryGrim (talk) 03:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)LarryGrim
 * I moved the page to the correct name. It is fairly easy to do so by yourself in the future, details are at Moving a page, but the "short short" version is to click the little downward pointing triangle between the "star" and the "search box" in the upper right corner of any article.  One of the options is "move", and that will let you move a page to a different title.  Regarding the map coordinates, you may get some help at WikiProject Maps.  I'm not much for the technical aspects of mapmaking, but someone at that project may be able to make the map you want made.  -- Jayron  32  03:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't that be the upper right corner?  Dismas |(talk) 03:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Corrected it. Thanks.  -- Jayron  32  04:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm missing something but why not just call it Blob's Park? There's just the one, right?  Or are there others around the state/country which the article doesn't mention?  Dismas |(talk) 03:41, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I suppose we could do that to. When I moved it, I didn't know enough to correct anything more than the typo the OP requested.  But Dismas may be right here based on Wikipedia's naming conventions.  -- Jayron  32  03:50, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Alex Smith Cleveland Browns Born In Two Places
Alex Smith tight end Cleveland Browns.

You have him born both in the Bahamas and Colorado.

Which one is it.

You need to correct that.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.189.100.61 (talk) 03:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I have fixed it. I think he was confused with his father Ed Smith (defensive end), who had been born in the Bahamas.  According to this page Alex Smith was born in Denver.  As father and son share a name, (both are Edwin Alexander Smith) one could see how confusion could occur. -- Jayron  32  03:46, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia displays without any formatting? (FF 14.0.1, Win7 64/OSX 10.6)
I have had this issue for about a month now and have searched high and low for a possible solution but found none that worked. All pages on Wikipedia display without proper formatting (see attached screenshot). The mobile site works fine. Firefox has only Flash, Quicktime and Adblock add-ons, which have never caused problems.

Does anyone know what is going on? It is getting irritating because important things like the search bar and navigation bar all end up in a messy pile at the bottom of a page.

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w109/nicky9499/Screenshot2012-08-27atPM122648.png http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w109/nicky9499/Screenshot2012-08-27atPM123654.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.12.94.213 (talk) 04:35, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you tried disabling Adblock, just to make sure that it wasn't at fault, even though it never caused problems ? —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 08:33, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Seems you may have "MySkin" set in your preferences. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 08:57, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks similar to MySkin but the second screenshot shows the poster is not logged in. Try to completely clear your cache as described at WP:BYPASS. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:19, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit to the semi-protected page “Johann Sebastian Bach"?
I want to edit a text to the page “Johann Sebastian Bach”, which is semi-protected. I have put an request (45 Edit request on 26 August 2012) to the page “Talk:Johann Sebastian Bach”. But I don’t know wether this is enough, Sorry for my bad English, I’m German. --Felbick (talk) 07:47, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is the correct thing to do. Mdann52 (talk) 09:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Found something, and then forgot the title
I recently found something, and then forgot the title of it, and had no way to get back to it. It was a place where articles that had failed an AfD went to be improved before being allowed back into the main part of wikipedia. It was designed as a temporary measure. As a confirmation, I know that Crocodilin (not Crocodillian) is in this category. Does anyone have any clue what I am talking about? Tazerdadog (talk) 08:05, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I made the section heading level 2 Maybe the incubator or the Article Rescue Squadron? A boat   that can float!   (watch me float!)  08:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Crocodillin with two 'l' is at Article Incubator/Crocodillin. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:10, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I was looking for incubator... 67.0.185.164 (talk) 20:15, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

New license required template at Wikisource article Remarks of Senator Barack Obama: A World that Stands as One
At the bettom of the s:Remarks of Senator Barack Obama: A World that Stands as One page is a "New license required" template. I want to include speech transcript from the New York Times Homepage and then remove the template. Can I do this or is there something I must pay attention to? Thanks in advance. --P3Y229 10:50, 27 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by P3Y229 (talk • contribs)
 * It's possible someone here knows and is willing to answer but please note that our sister projects have their own policies, most of the people here are much more familiar with Wikipedia than Wikisource, and that this help desk is geared toward Wikipedia-related questions. I would ask this instead at s:Wikisource:Requests for assistance.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand. Thank you very much for your information. --P3Y229 13:22, 27 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by P3Y229 (talk • contribs)

How to gain approval for first page - submitted but no responses
I would be extremely grateful for advice on how to progress the page I have submitted.

It was originally rightly bounced back, because it didn't have correct coding. I amended, add all the codes, changed the styles and resubmitted about three weeks ago, but have not heard anything.

I have placed a comment on the page of the person who edited, to see whether the resubmission has been made correctly, but not heard back.

I am sure that I must have done something incorrect, as a new user, but can't work out what it is.

I had tried again to submit it, several times, but had no notifications since the one below on 3 August when the first version was placed.

I would be most grateful for help and apologise that I haven't been able to work out from the FAQs what I have done incorrectly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Graham_Ratcliffe&diff=next&oldid=505563080

Paula Talbot (talk) 13:53, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. There's a template notice at the head of the page, indicating that the issue was mainly one of style. Biographies, particularly ones on living people, are subject to some extra guidance at MOS:BIO and WP:BLP. I've gone ahead and made some tweaks, but it still needs additional work. I'd start by reducing or eliminating the lists, converting them to prose. Please don't give up, this article definitely has potential. LeadSongDog come howl!  15:28, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is entirely written by and maintained by volunteers who do this work in their spare time, and who do whatever they wish in regards to the work they do here. That means that sometimes, things get left for a long time before someone acts on them.  Hopefully someone will get to your article soon; it will get done eventually, but sometimes these things take a little while to be acted on while it waits for someone who cares to come by and work on it.  It is frustrating, I know, but such is the way Wikipedia works.  My only advice is to be patient because someone will get to it.  -- Jayron  32  15:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The link you provided (the one with the warning and comment boxes at the top) I took the liberty to make some quick revisions and edits to make it smoother and more in wikiformat and wikistyle. My advice would be to combine the "background" and "family" sections and break up the bullet points into prose more.  The article is looking good though and thanks so much for adding it to Wikipedia, I have to admit I learned a few things editing it up.  MarketdiamondMarketDiamond 06:43, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

amazement surpassed only by frustration
I am amazed daily at how the internet are rapidly approaching a point where more or less the sum total of all human knowledge will be available for anyone's access. And the closer we get to that point the longer it takes to find even the most ridiculously basic information, such as phone numbers, store hours, locations...I may even write something up about this, because some things that should take less time than it would take to look up in a phone book for example, are taking 30 times as long to find the information being sought just from the sheer amount of accessible information. Wikipedia, for example. Now, I've only recently begun exploring Wikipedia and seeing just how far it stretches, only to find that it is a victim of this same logjam for what has to be one of the most frequent problems, and the most simple to correct, or at least report, and it's taken me over half an hour to just get here, and I'm still not sure if I'm in the right place. All I want to do is report a broken link.

The External Link to Lyrup Flats on this page goes to the DENR, but the page does not exist.

Now, if I'm just an idiot, then I'd like to know what steps I should have taken when I discovered this problem that wouldn't have take 40 minutes of my day away already. Sorry for being all snarky about this, but seriously, check it out for yourself. You can't expect people to step up to the plate and do their part to keep things accurate and up to date if it takes so much time to do as simple of a task as report a broken link.

Maybe I should apply for a job with you guys...assuming I didn't hurt my interview chances with my snarky-ness. Which, by the way, where is my 'snarky' definition page? (and yes, that was a joke).

This will probably sound absurd, but do you guys hire people to maintain the Wiki's? I don't know what kind of qualifications you would require. I have what I consider to be a higher than average command of the English language. Unfortunately it appears that is not as accomplished of a thing to say as it once was, or as valuable, either.

Wouldn't that be interesting though; complain about how time consuming it is to report a broken link, and get hired to fix them myself. Stranger things...

50.53.54.123 (talk) 14:46, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The easiest way is to click the Talk button and then the "edit this page" button. You add your observation/complaint/concerns and it is likely that someone is watching the page and will make the update. It is slightly more difficult to edit the article yourself to add the correct information. We are all volunteers here; you can be one too. (In fact you already have been.) Rmhermen (talk) 15:18, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * "do you guys hire people to maintain the Wiki's"? No. Wikipedia is written by volunteers - all 4,037,999 or so articles. As for the broken link, such things are unfortunate, but we don't actually control the entire internet - we didn't break it. A for reporting the problem, you could have clicked on the 'talk' tab at the top of the article page, and left a note, as Rmhermen suggests. Or do as you've done, and reported it here - I'm sorry that it took you half an hour to find the help desk. An experienced Wikipedian would know the admittedly obscure way to indicate the problem in the article with Template:Dead link, but it clearly isn't something we'd expect everyone to know though. Then again, as I've said, Wikipedia articles are written by volunteers, and there isn't anything preventing you fixing it yourself. Typing 'Lyrup Flats' into the search field for the page the 'broken link' leads to seems to provide a great deal of useful material too - I'm not sure I'd even call it a broken link, so much as a link to a website that has apparently moved things around a bit. Yes, we need a more user-friendly interface (which is supposedly being worked on), but we are never going to be able to keep every article 100% up to date all the time. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify a bit, I am sure there are some people being paid by somebody to maintain Wikipedia articles, but they definately aren't being paid by the Wikimedia Foundation. The Wikimedia Foundation does have a paid staff, but their jobs are related to maintaining the servers and software that Wikipedia runs on; and on growing the Wikipedia community.  Paid staff do not maintain the text Wikipedia as part of their jobs (though many of them have been volunteer editors in the past, and many continue to do so in a capacity unrelated to their jobs).  There are undoubtedly people who have been paid by outside firms to write Wikipedia articles, usually the subject of the article will assign an employee or hire an outside contractor to write or maintain articles about them.  This is highly controversial, and is generally held by most of the Wikipedia community as "not the way we do things".  See Paid editing and follow the links there for some background.  -- Jayron  32  15:27, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's fairly easy to find where the South Australian government has moved their page; a Google search for "Murray River" "Parks SA" finds it easily. One can then (as I have) simply copy/paste the new URL over the old one in the article's edit window and save the edit. For a dead link, one can also sometimes enter the URL in the "Wayback Machine" search box here and then replace the dead one with a link to an archived copy of the page (doesn't work in this case, though). Deor (talk) 15:29, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Are there any pages that are hidden from "ordinary" Wikipedians?
Are there any pages on Wikipedia that can only be viewed by certain classes of administrator/burocrat? A friend who knows I'm a regular editor asked me and I had to answer that I have no idea. However, based on my familiarity with the "everything out in the open" ethos of "wikiculture", I would be quite surprised if there is a significant number of restricted access pages. Roger (talk) 16:18, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Deleted pages can only be seen administrators (and higher levels), oversited (a special kind of delete) needs a special permission that is separate from being an administrator.  RJFJR (talk) 16:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's worth noting that while certain user rights enable one to see removed pages or removed edits, every editable page on a wiki is visible to everyone. That is, it's not possible for administrators to have on-wiki discussions without having them visible to everyone else. BigNate37(T) 16:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There are also various special pages (e.g. Special:Block, Special:RevisionDelete, and Special:Nuke) that are used for various administrative tasks, and only admins can use them for obvious reasons. However, as mentioned above, they cannot be edited. Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:10, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It depends what you count. Some special pages include text fields which can be edited by some user groups but it's only done for the special purpose the page is created for, and not to have secret discussions between superusers. The code of some edit filters in the Special namespace like Special:AbuseFilter/23 are hidden from public view to make it harder for determined vandals to figure out how to circumvent the filter. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:16, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * To clarify further, all "wiki pages" are visible to everybody. Wikipedia has not installed mw:Extension:Page access restriction or anything similar. The few restrictions are in the Special namespace which contains various mainly software-generated pages. Many of them can be seen at Special:SpecialPages which is itself a special page. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:31, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Ro is short/slang for Camaro
Was wondering if the slang abbreviation for Camaro, namely Ro, is in the Wikipedia database.

Thanx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.91.171.42 (talk) 16:32, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It does not seem to be. Do you know of a reliable source that establishes the word's use in this way? If it's commonly referred to in this way by secondary sources, then it should be mentioned in the article. (And if/when it's mentioned in the article, this justifies further listing in disambiguation pages, redirects and the like.) BigNate37(T) 16:35, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Probably not. Wikipedia is not designed to catalogue every single slang term or short-lived nickname. You may be more interested in the Urban Dictionary, located at http://www.urbandictionary.com/ which is more designed for this purpose. -- Jayron  32  16:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Moved page not working on facebook
I have redirected a page from Underwriters Laboratories to UL (Underwriters Laboratories) However, when I am on the Facebook page that pulls from Wikipedia's information https://www.facebook.com/pages/Underwriters-Laboratories/103977706306179?ref=ts the page still references the old page at the bottom link and does not update the page's name

How do I fix? Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leahafried (talk • contribs) 18:29, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Not here on Wikipedia. You need to contact the, as it's their problem, not ours. Roger (talk) 18:32, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Can you relink to the help desk? Didnt work w the above link — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leahafried (talk • contribs) 18:41, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Just go to facebook.com, and click on the help link at the bottom of the page. RudolfRed (talk) 19:18, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Is this not a wikipedia page problem at all? The Facebook page's link directs to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwriters_Laboratories which should automatically redirect to the updated/moved page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UL_(Underwriters_Laboratories) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leahafried (talk • contribs) 21:30, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Facebook community pages may incorporate content from Wikipedia—such use complies with Wikipedia policies on reuse of content. We at Wikipedia have no control over how the content is included nor can we help to remove it. Facebook does have a topic on Community pages and profile connections on their Help Center. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:46, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Uploading Picture
I am editing a person's bio and want to include a picture. How do I upload a picture? — Preceding unsigned comment added by W.K. Yousufzai (talk • contribs) 19:58, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * See Uploading images, or File Upload Wizard for a step-by-step walkthrough. If this is a living person, please be sure that this is an image that you have taken yourself, or that you are absolutely certain that it's a non-copyrighted image. We cannot use copyrighted images of living people. Hers fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 20:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Cinnamon Bear
Wiebolt's 63rd. & Halsted Chicago Cinnamon Bear. I grew up in Chicago and listened to the Cinnamon Bear every year. Wiebolt's department store sponsored the show and one year gave away foil silver star ornaments for your Christmas Tree. They were made of shiny foil like Reynolds wrap only thicker and folded up when not in use. I had a few but lost them over the years. Does anyone know where I could find one of these? Thank You 24.15.190.179 (talk) 20:13, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. RudolfRed (talk) 20:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

The Ropers
On the article called The Ropers, Helen Roper's sister name is Ethel Armbruster. Helen's maiden name is Armbruster. But in The Roper's article, Ethel's husband Hubert's last name is also Armbruster. It would be impossible if all of their last names were Armbruster. I think Helen's maiden last name is not Armbruster because I checked IMDb here and it says Hubert's last name is Armbruster. So what is Helen's real maiden name? CPGirlAJ (talk) 20:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * RudolfRed (talk) 20:43, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * RudolfRed, I think that CPGirlAJ is not asking a question, but pointing out a probable error in the The Ropers article. Maproom (talk) 21:02, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Map Creation
Hi. I used Openmaps once (quite a while ago) to create a map for an article, but now I need to create another map that will need two site markings on it, for another article. Can anyone help teach me using any available open source software? It need not be Openmap. Thanks. Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:20, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Would something like Location map work? Ryan Vesey 22:35, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it. Do you know if it goes down to a map size in say 15-20 square US miles?  Also, I would like to have the roads, etc already on the map?  Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There are 1000 templates available at Category:Location map templates. If the one you desire doesn't exist, you can use Template:Location map/Creating a new map template to learn how.  You need to begin with an existing commons image (or upload a blank map to commons). Ryan Vesey 13:30, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

New page and can't find messages
I wrote a page called "Media Introduction Events" and a few weeks later its still not posted. I see there is "message" for me, but I have no idea WHERE the message is. Help? I am so confused! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlysonDutch (talk • contribs) 23:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello Alyson. Messages for you are left on your talk page.  At the top of any Wikipedia page is a menu, if you click "My talk", it will take you to a page where people can leave messages for you and where you can read those messages.  The page you wrote was largely identical to an existing Wikipedia article title Media event, and as the older article was more inclusive, your article was redirected to it (if you click Media Introduction Event it takes you to the other article now.  This is called a "redirect" at Wikipedia.  See Redirects for more information.)  In general, we don't want to create two articles about essentially the same topic.  If you have additional sources of information that cover topics not in the existing article, you can add information to that article instead.  -- Jayron  32  23:49, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * If you refer to the blue box at User talk:AlysonDutch then I have posted a link to the real location of the messages. Your article can be seen by clicking the time next to your username in the page history of the redirect. The article was badly misformatted so it was unreadable in the state it was created. I'm not sure what you were trying to do with those ref tags. Many of them were misformatted but they still wouldn't be sensible references if they were correctly formatted. Somebody at Help desk/Archives/2012 August 9 thought you were trying to make wikilinks to Wikipedia articles. I have created a version of your article at User:AlysonDutch/sandbox with wikilinks instead of ref's. Click "My sandbox" at top of any page to access it. It would need real references to outside reliable sources to have a chance to satisfy Notability. See Referencing for beginners. Based on your username, the end of the article looks like an advertisement for your firm and book. Wikipedia shouldn't be used for that. See Conflict of interest. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:01, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

My ~ ~ ~ ~ fails to provide link to my userpage or talk page?
moved to current helpdesk (sorry) MarketDiamond 22:05, 30 August 2012 (UTC)