Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 August 8

= August 8 =

Jacob Michelson
Dear admin,

I need help on this URL.

Jacob Michelson has been deleted by A7 with a post of No explanation of the subject's significance. I wanted to edit this name to Jacob Yasha Michelson and put him back on wikipedia with a post of everything he has done so far

Is this possible and what are the next steps I need to take?

He is the producer of

Also a founder of a dance technique.

I do hope you can help me to put his name (edited) back on Wikipedia to put his name back on Wikipedia.

Thank you.

Nathalie

108.250.226.17 (talk) 00:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You can follow the step at Deletion review. Dismas |(talk) 01:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Please see our notability policy, which explains what we mean by asserting subject significance. If you wish to dispute deletion of the article, Deletion review is what you're after (as Dismas pointed out). To start over on a new article about the subject, you may wish to look into Articles for creation. BigNate37(T) 01:17, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

New Page
I was wondering if you knew how to create a whole new page? If there isn't a button, that is. Like, for example, there are already about 4-5 pages on Wikipedia about Creature Feature, but there isn't a page about the band Creature Feature. I wanted to create a page about the band Creature Feature, but I don't see any buttons or anything to create a page about the band, not edit the page about the comic strip, or the TV Show, or the episode, or the movie. Can you help me out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SweetandSadistic (talk • contribs)


 * You need the confirmed or autoconfirmed userright to create pages. If you do not wish to wait until you have fulfilled the requirements to be autoconfirmed, You may use articles for creation to start your new article. (I'm not sure if non-autoconfirmed users have their own sandbox, but if you see a "my sandbox" link along the top of your screen, you may start a draft article there, as well). Before you start your article, please have a look at WP:BAND and make sure that band is notable enough to support inclusion in Wikipedia. Good luck. BigNate37(T) 01:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * So it turns out that the userright requirement to create pages was removed... in 2007. Shows how long I've been hiding under my rock for. (Thanks, Fuhghettaboutit, for pointing this out to me.) To manually start a page about that band, search for Creature Feature (band) in the search bar, and click the red link if the search does not find a page for the band already (it will say "You may create the page 'Creature Feature (band)', but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered," that is where your red link will be). Adding (band) to the end of the title is our standard way to disambiguate between a band and other topics with the same name. You can also wikilink the term Creature Feature (band) and click that red link, or you can manually visit that page by editing the URL in your browser. BigNate37(T) 02:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Both WP:ACCOUNT and WP:CREATE say that you must be registered to create an article, so I'm not sure that that Signpost page is correct. RudolfRed (talk) 06:28, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Registered, yes, but they do not indicate requiring any specific userright, such as confirmed or autoconfirmed. BigNate37(T) 06:42, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The Signpost article says that the proposed change was to allow unregistered users to create accounts. That's what I was pointing out, but in a clumsy way.  RudolfRed (talk) 15:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get your meaning now. In hindsight it should have been obvious to me, what with "unregistered" right up there in the title. BigNate37(T) 16:19, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I submitted it and Wiki's reviewing it now! Thanks!! SweetandSadistic (talk) 02:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Michael Blakey
why am i having trouble with an article that i started a couple of years ago? due to some bad edits, the article is now in question of notability and may be pulled but it is only due to someone editing 90% of it out today. help?!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mastermusicgenius (talk • contribs) 02:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Because Wikipedia's rules have changed over time, and this BLP currently has no independent in-depth coverage that verifies the individuals's notability. Dru of Id (talk) 03:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The policies havent changed all that much. What more likely has happened is that during most of the article's existence, it lay hidden amongst the 3-4 million other articles and no one noticed that it was full of inappropriate content. -- The Red Pen of Doom  17:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Review
Hi there, I am new and here to request that other editors review my new article Brady Wilks. I got a note immediately contesting my article to be deleted and I wanted to know what else I needed to do in regards to references validity etc. I would also like to add photographic process articles that have not been written yet, some related to my current article. I appreciate the feedback and help on my journey into editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stirfriedpenguin (talk • contribs) 04:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks like the reason the article was tagged was because the person does not seem to be notable. The general notability guideline states, Articles require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. (simplified, taken from WP:42). So you need sources to assert notability. Examples of reliable sources include well-known newspapers like the New York Times, magazines or Web content with editorial oversight. FloBo   A boat that can float!   (watch me float!)  05:24, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

famous residents frankfort indiaba

 * LT Gen Jay Kelley, USAF
 * Brig Gen James W. Lucas, USAF — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.90.23 (talk) 05:41, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * This is the help desk to ask questions on how to use Wikipedia. If you want to make an edit request, request it at the talk page of the article in question. FloBo   A boat that can float!   (watch me float!)  06:39, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

basic skills wiki
i was wondering what i would have to do to get a compiled database of skills required to build and maintain a semblance of civilization should suddenly the world turn on its head. Things like composting, ore types and smelting, basic mining, bicycle repair, how to build a battery and many other things that would be compact enough for the average person to download and store on their computer. The option for a basic printout would also be fantastic Zainal77 (talk) 06:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * [[Image:P question.svg|20px]] This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Miscellaneous reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try  for an article related to the topic you want to know more about.  I hope this helps. BigNate37(T) 07:05, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about compiling information from Wikipedia, you should check out WP:Books. You can create your own book with Wikipedia articles that you would like to include. There are a couple of types of files that you can save to your computer (PDF, OpenOffice), and these can be printed. - Purplewowies (talk) 07:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

One Ton Cup in English
Good morning,

I spent the whole day editing the One Ton Cup English web site yesterday. I translated the Existing French One Ton Cup website and put it on the English website which was initially very succinct. When I went to the English website this morning, everything had disappeared. Could you please tell me why?

Please find below the links to both the French and English Website: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Ton_Cup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Ton_Cup

Looking forward to hearing from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.242.201.53 (talk) 07:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It seems two editors have edited the article since you finished. Arctic Kangaroo restored content you had deleted, and then undid his own edit with the edit summary "deleted unnecessary content", then Pinethicket removed more with the edit summary "[remove] copy and paste, unsourced and without attribution". I'm not sure who, if either (or both) removed your translation. You might want to discuss the matter with them on their talk pages: Arctic Kangaroo's and Pinethicket's. FloBo   A boat that can float!   (watch me float!)  08:21, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Editing my watchlist
I have been trying to edit my watchlist. When I click on "View and edit watchlist", I get a Wikipedia error page. When I click on "Edit raw watchlist", I get a blank page. I have nearly 24,000 pages on my watchlist, so that might have something to do with it. However, with that many pages, I don't remember all of them. If I did, I could type them in individually, and unwatch them that way. How can I rectify this error right now, and how can I prevent this in the future? Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 09:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It will take a long long time but you could start clicking on articles in your watchlist and clicking on the star at the top of the article to unwatch it. Dismas |(talk) 10:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You ask "how can I prevent this in the future?" Initially I assumed you might have accidentally set "My preferences" so every page you edit is added to your watchlist - but you have 9,900 edits and a watchlist of 24,000 - have you chosen to add all these articles to your watchlist? - Arjayay (talk) 18:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you tried accessing both Special:EditWatchlist and Special:EditWatchlist/raw? BigNate37(T) 20:13, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I did not activated the preference to add every page I edit to my watchlist. I did choose to add most, if not all, of these pages to my watchlist.
 * BigNate37, the "View and edit watchlist" link is the Special:EditWatchlist link. The "View and edit watchlist" link is the Special:EditWatchlist/raw link. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 02:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As an amplification of what I am talking about, the Wikipedia error page has the following note at the bottom: "PHP fatal error in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.20wmf8/includes/HTMLForm.php line 889:
 * "Allowed memory size of 134217728 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 15789080 bytes)". I hope that will assist whoever tries to help me with this problem. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 20:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

death of Aurangzeb
He died at ahmednagar. There is a place called Alamgir 1 or 2 km away from Ahmednagar on Bhingar road. There is also a burial place where it is believed that Aurangzeb was buried. Some also say that some part of his body is buried there as he died at that place and his remains were taken to Khuldabad to be buried near his guru's burial place. This was told to me when I had visited the place when in college. May I request you to check the correctness of the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.48.193.203 (talk) 10:54, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Get a source to back it up. The burden rests on you. FloBo   A boat that can float!   (watch me float!)  13:54, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

cannot write an article about myself
My name is Rebecca Smith, and I am an accomplished reggae artist. I read the rules, and cannot write an article about myself. I would like to encourage you to check about me...I had a number 13 song in Jamaica called "To The Ceiling.". I am one of the first females of Native American/Irish/Caucasian persuasion to take on the rough and rugged style of Jamaican dance hall reggae. I worked with Steely and Clevie, Maxi Priest's backing band, "The A Team.", and was encouraged in the business by Michael McDonald from the top New York studio," H, C and F", Mikey Dread, Andrew Tosh, Ziggy Marley and many others. thanks, my reggae name is BeccaBoom. I love your site...blessings — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeccaBoom (talk • contribs) 11:35, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Go on, girl, make the page of yourself. Rules can be broken and the one you mentioned is non-binding. So, you theoretically could make the page of yourself, as long as you submit unbiased and references informations (general rules applying to all newly created articles). 93.87.210.14 (talk) 12:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Writing an article about yourself is frowned upon in most cases because there's a conflict of interest. If you have your heart set on doing it, you might want to do it through articles for creation, where a reviewer will look over it before it is put in the mainspace. - Purplewowies (talk) 17:33, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Vandal report
Please, may someone check. (S)he did some unexplaind and unreference statistics edits on Religion in Germany and Religion in the Netherlands. 93.87.210.14 (talk) 08:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Please, reply!!! 93.87.210.14 (talk) 10:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It would be better to report the IP to WP:AIV, but the IP hasn't even been warned! FloBo   A boat that can float!   (watch me float!)  13:36, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * As per above, this IP doesn't look like much of a vandal. And it hasn't been warned. Always be sure to assume good faith. --Chris4315 (talk)

Broken link
What to do when the link, crucial to the article's integrity, is non-existent, a.k.a. broken? 93.87.210.14 (talk) 10:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Could you be more specific by maybe pointing out the article in question and what kind of link you're referring to? Dismas |(talk) 10:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It's Religion in Turkey. Major KONDA's survey is compromised, and some, if not the most, references don't contain the written informations. For example, reference 8 doesn't confirm anything written in the particular paragraph (about 130 words). I just wanted to raise the dispute here, since the discussion on WP:DRN leads nowhere. 93.87.210.14 (talk) 11:19, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The link to the archived copy of the KONDA survey works for me. Deor (talk) 15:04, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Username problem
Why is again appearing as ? See Jubilee School's revision history and the forementioned talk pages to see what's going on. Did the username change revert itself or what? 93.87.210.14 (talk) 12:32, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The username wasn't changed, he merely created a new account, then started using his old account again. FloBo   A boat that can float!   (watch me float!)  13:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's actually the other way around. User:Hkhadash started editing as User:Jubileeschool and then was told the new name went against Wikipedia policies on usernames.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:47, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Referemce on talk page
Hello I have copy pasted article snippet with references on talk page but it doesn't show them.Could someone help/fix it?

Thank you--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 14:01, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * - Reflist-talk does the trick (see this edit). There was a stray tag preventing it from displaying, which I deleted.--ukexpat (talk) 14:08, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 14:13, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Button or box
As Neotarf asked here, is there a way to put my "More" links at WP:SMOS in a button or box? Art LaPella (talk) 15:14, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is. Here's an example, based off of . Hope this helps!  WikiPuppies  bark dig 17:58, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Almost, but that template doesn't quite do the same thing, as shown at User:Art LaPella/Sandbox. Art LaPella (talk) 20:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've rewritten the template to correct the newline issues...does it work correctly now? WikiPuppies  bark dig 21:30, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. I don't really need my second example to work because in each case, the two links are to consecutive paragraphs, so one link would work. Art LaPella (talk) 01:10, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Never mind. Following the template with &amp;nbsp; prevents the unintended newline. So thank you again. Art LaPella (talk) 02:27, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Uploading image help
I am wanting to upload a pair of pictures (taken by myself) of a Canadian 50-cent piece for the article, but I'm getting lost on the Numismatics project style guide and the fair use rationale, as all Canadian coin designs are copyrighted to the RCM, though it is clear fair use as noted in the images for all the other Canadian coins we have images for.

Would someone be able to assist me on what the resolution of the image should be and what exactly should be entered in uploading form?

Thanks

Grandmartin11 (talk) 19:15, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi! My suggestion would be to use the traditional upload form at Special:upload, from there, you may upload the photo, select a license (currency copyrights), and add additional information.


 * Hope that helps! --Chris4315 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:18, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Or, find an image of another Canadian coin and use the same license and non-free use rationale for the images that you want to upload.--ukexpat (talk) 19:36, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Disputed statement
In article Religion in Serbia, there is one disputed statement regarding Islam that says Adherents belong to either the Islamic Community of Serbia or the Islamic Community in Serbia. which isn't true. Statement could be reworked, because "belogn to either" means that there are no other Muslim organizations (ot independents, as my neighbours are (4 out of 20 Muslims in the 50,000 people's municipacity)). In Islam in Serbia, I rewrote it to say "two major" instead of just "two". Sentences are different, so I can't do the same to Religion in Serbia. Please, help. 93.86.129.66 (talk) 20:08, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Fixed it myself!!! 93.86.129.66 (talk) 20:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Random page in category not working
Random page in category isn't working on Category:All articles covered by WikiProject Wikify. Why is this? Ryan Vesey 20:26, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure whats wrong, but it appears to fail on any category with a long name. You may want to contact the tool author, Meta:User talk:Erwin to see if they can help. Monty  845  20:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, I contacted him, but it doesn't look like he's been available recently. I might bring to VPT. Ryan Vesey 22:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Influence matrix
I was researching Otto rank and it had a list of influenced by and who he influenced when I clicked on each the pattern continued is there a master matrix diagram that could be made starting with Socrates perhaps and fanning out I'm sure with computers it is just some query to show all the links on one page so it would be easier to digest and not get lost seeing who influenced who? It is probably only a thousand people or so from your links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.1.253.221 (talk) 21:24, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You should probably ask this at the computing reference desk. I would suggest WP:VPT but I'm not sure you are really asking for a Wikipedia feature.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:03, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Finding the source of a formula image by LaTex
I'm writing a JavaScript code that allows to edit the LaTeX code of formulas by double-clicking them, and I was wondering if its possible to determine what's the source of a formula image just by knowing its LaTeX code. e.g. the source of $$1+1=2$$ is always http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/math/0/c/f/0cfae383362bc63d7ac429a5755fef05.png. What's the algorithm used to determine a formula's source? Is it available in JS, or at least executable via AJAX? (I was thinking about using other LaTeX rendering engines, such as codecoge's, but sometimes it doesn't give the same result as Wikipedia. It's a problem especially when the external rendering engine supports a command that Wikipedia doesn't or vice versa).

P.S. speaking of which, can you recommend any WYSIWYG online editor for LaTeX? (similar to bakoma-tex, but online, so I can integrate it in Wikipedia).

Thanks a million! 79.177.245.248 (talk) 21:34, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't know how to answer, but if you ask at WP:VPT they might.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:55, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The computing reference desk might actually be a better place, because I'm not sure whether you're asking for a Wikipedia feature.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:04, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Protected pages of Republican politicians
I understand the need to "lock" or "semi-lock" politician's pages near election time. (Especially after Stephen Colbert recent episode...) Fair is fair though. Shouldn't all of the democrat's pages be "locked" as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.94.225.82 (talk) 21:36, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The articles about republican politicians were most likely semi-protected because of a big amount of vandalism from new and unregistered editors. The articles about democratic politicians are probably unprotected because there has not been a big amount of vandalism from new and unregistered editors. If you want a change to be made to a semi-protected article, follow the directions on Edit requests. If you feel that an article should be semi-protected, please make a request on Requests for page protection. :) Ha  dg  er  22:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * To be more specific, it was because of edits involving possible VPs for Romney which received international media attention. See WP:ANI and and . Dougweller (talk) 13:21, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

MAJOR Wikipedia injustice
I really don't like to rant, but Wikipeida(ns) have did pretty much causing a big dissapointed in me. Namely, I started using Wikipedia several years ago, as an academic and private information source. Now, about a month ago, I decided I could really help Wikipedia by expanding it. A month ago, I totally reworked article Education in Serbia without any problems. When I got interested in Religion in Europe articles, that's where I got a "bump". Firstly, I strived to make the all (possible) Religion in Europe articles contain the bar boxes about their religiosity. The edit wars began. My edits were viewed as vandalism, unsourced and else. After I thought I really fixed this, I experienced Religion in Turkey and. Nevertheless, Saguamundi offered no discussion and even requested full protection (which was indeed granted by admin ). I raised dispute several times here on the help desk and was redirected to dipute resolution noticeboard where discussion is going. However, I still experience some problems with users even calling me incompetent. See (statement) and  (my answer). On dispute resolution noticeboard, I was even accused of supporting 'KONDA agenda', even though it's clearly opposite. Not to mention. What should I do to fix this MAJOR Wikipeida injustice (coming from all directions). I can't leave you just now. I still have some extremely good faith projects as Jubilee School (help its editor). PLEASE, HELP!!! 93.86.129.66 (talk) 18:58, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, my suggestions for Jubilee School would be, first, to mention what the medium of instruction is (i.e. what language the students are taught in - English, Arabic, French, or several of the above?) Secondly, introduce independent reliable sources - that is, sources that are not connected with the organisation itself. Third, try to ensure that more of the article's content is covered by inline citations to reliable sources.


 * My suggestions for your activities as an academic working on controversial topics on Wikipedia, would be to consider working on such topics in the language you are most familiar with. You can find Wikipedias in many different languages at http://www.wikipedia.org/ --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:13, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I know nothing about Jubilee School. I just said that I'm currently working on helping the article's editor to update it. As for language, that's really not the question (enorm amount of typoes is because I'm agitated with Wikipedian injustice). As for religion (being controversal), I didn't use any original research - I merely just changed the way informations are written (see it at dispute resolution noticeboard), so I don't thing that's the problem. 93.86.129.66 (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * If you are referring to WP:HD and the related RfDs when you linked WP:RFD, then I assume that you are that same editor. In that case, that is hardly an injustice. I disagreed with you and asked for clarification, I made a judgment call based on (your?) clarification and some brief research, and civilly invited you to start a discussion at Redirects for Discussion if you still disagreed (which, if I'm correct in understanding that you are that same IP editor, you have). I wasn't trying to be dismissive: there are some wise editors at RfD who are very good at researching all the potential factors and implications of where redirects point. I know this because I frequent RfD and interact with them regularly. I have every confidence that together we can decide the best course of action. There is no rush, and if my decision was wrong, it will be corrected soon enough. BigNate37(T) 19:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No!!! I didn't say that was the injustice, I just mentioned it as one of my activities. The real problem is in (disriminatory statement) and  (my answer) and  (I would call it the problem without the real need). Those two are what I think of as injustices. For the first, regradless of my knowledge what vandalism is, the unreferenced pie charts should totally be removed (since referenced ones ARE available). For the second, injustices are great in number (you'd have to read the whole discussion so far). Please help, 93.86.129.66 (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. In reply to your plea: I have read parts of the discussions you have been involved in. I chose only to respond to the redirect matter because that is all I felt qualified to weigh in on. I took another quick look at bits of that dispute, and it's hard to see exactly what is going on because your IP changes so often. While it is your prerogative to continue editing anonymously if you so choose, the burden on the rest of us to play detective when reviewing this sort of situation is discouraging. It is midday for me here, if I can make time this evening I will give your issue another look to see if there is anything I can contribute. From what I can tell right now, things are not simply black and white. BigNate37(T) 19:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, thank you BigNate37 so much. You're one of the most helpful (and most active) Wikipedians out there. Sadly, I can't do anything else (as an unregistered user) than to thank you. Don't forget that all my IP adresses (disluding those containing minor changes; those were from mobile phone) are written on dispute resolution noticeboard (full list of contribs is right of them). 93.86.129.66 (talk) 20:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Again, is practically threatening me. Will someone, please, tell him not to do so and to fix the problem he has made (non-removal of unreferenced and disputed pie charts in Religion in Germany and Religion in the Netherlands; or anyone esle, since I, as an unregistered user can't). 93.86.129.66 (talk) 22:04, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Why don't you register? It is not difficult, and (rightly or wrongly) people tend to show more respect to registered users. Most vandalism is done by unregistered users. Maproom (talk) 22:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You're soooo right about it. I think it's wrongly (not all IPs are vandals). It could be the cause of all my problems/injustices. Nevertheless, I manually reverted those. Still, has to be reported (or warned) for misconduct (threat and 'provocation' (he said "here's ya" on his comment for me)). 93.86.129.66 (talk) 22:29, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * While his response to your criticisms was inappropriately rude, Gtwfan52 hasn't seriously interfered with your ability to edit here (that I have seen). It's typically not our way to take punitive measures and my advice to you is to try to put it behind you. His comments about your edit summary were valid, and that's okay: you made a mistake, we all do, and Wikipedia is very transparent so that mistake drew attention. Because he only snapped at you after you criticized him, it's my impression that admonishment would be counter to the goal of deescalation, and that it would be better to leave it alone. nb. I am stepping away and will not reply promptly. BigNate37(T) 22:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I think you are misunderstanding Gtwfan52's intentions. He asked you not to post to his talk page again; maybe that was rude. But he ended his request, not with "here's ya" (which might be interpreted as impolite), but with "Thank you and here's to ya!". This is not threatening. I interpret it as meaning, he is raising a glass and drinking in your honour (though hoping he will not meet you again). Maproom (talk) 23:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, sorry in that case (said the same to Gtwfan52). That's exacly why metaphors (or whatever are these phrases called) are avoided on Wikipedia (for misunderstanding and non-native speakers). 109.93.149.214 (talk) 23:31, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I accept your apology. Now, Gtwfan52 has asked you not to post to his talk page. You have now posted your apology to his talk page. I can't speak for him, but I am guessing he would prefer you not to post there at all. It might be better if you deleted your posting there. Maproom (talk) 23:58, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * BTW IP, why don't you register? — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 00:02, 9 August 2012 (UTC)