Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 December 20

= December 20 =

How to change URL case?
Hi Help, The page about a software I work with has a wrong case. How to modify that? I search the doc and googled it, they say how to create a URL, not how to fix it. Thanks in advance for your help Stooof (talk) 09:53, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, I created a new page with correct case, copied the content there and redirected the wrong one to the new one. Was there a better way? Stooof (talk) 09:53, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * In future, you can use the move functionality to solve this problem. Just click the drop down menu at the top of the page, and select "move" to change the title. See WP:MOVE for more about this. Regards, SpitfireTally-ho! 10:06, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I have listed the article at Cut and paste move repair holding pen so that an admin can fix up the page history of the two pages. A cut-and-paste move leaves the history of the article at the old title, which makes it hard to work out what has happened. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:10, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * (More) I see from the log that the history was fixed up, only for the page to be deleted as a copyright violation. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:37, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Help please!
Help please! I accidentally logged myself out. Every time I enter my username (ACEOREVIVED) and password, I kept getting told it is wrong - do you know what is happening here? Thank you in advance for your co-operaation. 92.9.3.1 (talk) 11:13, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, try to check if caps is on, or numb lock or something, if not it might be a web browser problem, try chrome or something. Sorry if its not much help, hope you get it working soon :) --121.219.85.122 (talk) 11:26, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * If you gave WP an email address, you can have a new password sent to that address. Dismas |(talk) 13:05, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, Special:EmailUser/ACEOREVIVED indicates you have an email address set. You don't allow mails from other users but you can still get a password mail at Special:PasswordReset. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:38, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks for these - I do not like to tempt fate but I seem to be logging OK now! Again, thank you for your responses, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 16:09, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Is this allowed
I want to thank a bunch of people for contributing to a high profile Wikipedia page, can I do this in the 'Talk' page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.85.122 (talk) 11:20, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Are they Wikipedia editors, or are they people who aren't affiliated with Wikipedia who participated by providing some kind of help to Wikipedia editors? If they are Wikipedia editors, I don't know the answer? Jc3s5h (talk) 11:54, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * How many are in a "bunch"? You could put barn stars on their talk pages...  Dismas |(talk) 13:06, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Table Help
These Help pages. . ..


 * Help:Table/Introduction to tables
 * Help:Table/Manual tables

. . . . have unique and applicable content (with respect to their titles), however, these other Help pages:


 * Help:Table/Sortable tables
 * Help:Table/Table placement
 * Help:Table/Colour
 * Help:Table/Collapsible tables
 * Help:Table/Other formatting

all have the same text (that is not related to their titles). What's up with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.136.18.88 (talk) 13:41, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks like an interrupted project by User:Ironholds to create new help pages for tables to supplement or replace Help:Table. He started in September but hasn't worked on it since October. All the pages started out with filler text and only two of them have later replaced it with text about tables. The pages don't appear to be linked from elsewhere. How did you find them? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:14, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Is this a spelling mistake?
In the article Kim Jong-il there's a small section with the word deify...Should that be defy or is this the School name or something? Thanks ツ Je no va  20  (email) 13:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * See deify. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  13:48, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahhhh...I see...Thank you very much ツ Je no va  20  (email) 15:05, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Template about incompletes references
Hi,

Does a template to indicate that a references is incomplete (just the author and the year, but not the work, for example) exist ? Tahnk you by advance for your answer. 82.224.165.208 (talk) 14:28, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * See Template messages/Cleanup/Verifiability and sources. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:37, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

I am a new user
Hi I am Gaurav& I am a new user of wikipedia but I do not know anything about its functions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumar Gaurav dwivedy (talk • contribs) 14:35, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I placed our welcome template, which contains links to some of our principles, on your talk page. Once you've looked at them you should have a better idea what you don't know and we'll be able to answer more specific questions.  Welcome to Wikipedia.RJFJR (talk) 14:53, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Use of convert template
Hello,

I am confused how to use the convert template the way I want to use it.

I want to convert 1.2 million sq m to ft, and display both; but I cannot let the million be written as 1,200,000. Is there any way/any bypass to solve this?

P.S. - Please leave the answer/Talkback on my talk page.

Thanks, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:06, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Have you read the documentation at Template:Convert?--ukexpat (talk) 16:29, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. Didnt help TheOriginalSoni (talk) 17:59, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Use " 1200000 m2 " to display 1200000 m2, but note that this is a limited, temporary option, until an alternative can be implemented. jonkerz ♠talk 19:31, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thats exactly the sort of thing which turns a reader away; which I dont want. Is there no other bypass/alternative to it?
 * Oh wait, do you mean like "1.2 million square metres (13 million sq ft)"? Then you should probably just skip the convert template and manually type it. You could also request to add this feature to the convert template on the template's talk page. jonkerz ♠talk 19:37, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * How about:

which produces: Note that r has to be manually set to the correct precision because the template currently sets the default incorrectly. TBD. —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 19:52, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks but no. Its better to manually type than confuse everyone involved. Can anyone request a similar feature on the necessary page? One which includes all currently used words (including hundred thousand and lakhs). TheOriginalSoni (talk) 20:11, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Cease and desist notice: Jackie Kong
Cease and desist notice: Wikipedia is a information website that relies on reliable sources for information. Any libelous, incorrect and malicious usage of Wikipedia by parties or individuals will be investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Dear Wikipedia, Please Help! Someone claiming to be Jackie Kong is using Wikipedia as a platform to post malicious lies and insults on the Jackie Kong listing. Jackie Kong is a living person so therefore Wikipedia should take extra care to ensure reliable information is presented. Please block whoever is posting these malicious rants which started last week (looking in the posting history). I'm sure that who-ever is posting thinks it is funny to post crude comments but they are untrue and slanderous and libelious. They also changed Ms Kong's official website reference. If Wikipedia continues to permit people to viciously attack Ms Kong using it's website, then we shall hold Wikipedia responsible for any damage to her reputation and career. Please block offending party and protect the integrity of your website as a source for reliable information. We find it disturbing that unreliable sources are able to use Wikipedia as an attack platform. This is our official notification and please investigate and make the necessary corrections. We've tried to correct using IMBd's information about Ms. Kong. Thank you for help in this matter. Representative for Jackie Kong. Wolfram Streiff — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wstreiff (talk • contribs) 18:06, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Blocked indefinitely for a multitude of sins, including legal threats, BLP violations and sockpuppetry . Favonian (talk) 19:21, 20 December 2012 (UTC) Struck the allegation of sockpuppetry. Obviously just a regular vandal. Favonian (talk) 19:36, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I reverted the page in question to remove obvious vandalism and the cease and desist notice as WP does not tolerate either, especially legal threats of any kind, but before I could notify the user, he/she was blocked by Favonian for numerous issues. JC.Torpey (talk) 19:24, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * We really shouldn't treat people like this. When someone comes here, with no understanding of our policies, to report their web page (or a friend, or a client, etc) is being vandalized and the article subject is being libelled, at least one warning about WP:NLT seems reasonable before we block a good faith editor indefinitely. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:06, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree to Floquenbeam here. I suggest the blocking be reverted but temporarily on hold, subject to whether the user resorts to further legal threats. Also, please strike "Vandal" off your words. The user most certainly wasnt one. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 20:27, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with Favonian. If "someone comes here, with no understanding of our policies, to report ... the article subject is being libelled", then they are treated with some respect. But if they jump straight in and  claim to be placing a cease and desist order, without first looking at our policies, I think there is little benefit in letting them make further edits. Maproom (talk) 20:35, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note paragraphs one of the actual message. Does that seem like a cease and desist order? The original heading is actually a copy pasting of a similar (later removed by other editors) notice on the original page itself [which was presumably done as a last resort]. The fact that they did try to come to this help desk does constitute trying to familiarize with WP policies and usages. (I sincerely hope you dont expect a new editor to be able to and willing to locate NLT hours after first registering, that too when they are in the middle of an edit war, trying to improve their article) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 20:39, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Read the fourth paragraph above that contains "...we shall hold Wikipedia responsible for any damage to her reputation and career. ..." How does the poster expect to "hold Wikipedia responsible" except by legal means?  RJFJR (talk) 20:46, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as I remember, the first paragraph comes before the fourth. They are and foremost first ASKING and REQUESTING for help at the "Help Desk". The legal threat is only in case the request fails, which, IMO is merely due to ignorance of WP Policies. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 20:52, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Your previous post seemed to say that the first paragraph should be discounted as a mere copy and therefore no legal threat was made... I countered that even if the first paragraph is discounted a legal threat is still made because it is in the fourth paragraph which you have not indicated why to discount. RJFJR (talk) 20:58, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I implied the first real paragraph of the message, in your case the second paragraph. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:07, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This edit came before either paragraph. Maproom (talk) 21:00, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * We're getting off on a tangent here. Of course it can be perceived as a legal threat. My point is that the response should be: "Sorry you're being libelled on Wikiepdia. But you can't make legal threats here; you either need to address this through legal means, or through editing, but not both. Please don't do it again, or we'll have to block your account." And if they continue, then you block for making legal threats. But it's unproductive, somewhat Kafkaesque, and adds to our already shitty reputation re: BLP's, for our immediate response prior to telling them that legal threats are against policy, to be: "zOMG legal threat!  You are not welcome here". --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:08, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I may just be speculating here, but my opinion stands that this edit was merely done as a last resort to stop vandalism on the page. It was after that notice was removed too, that they went searching even further for other resorts. After 18 minutes, they comment on this help desk. The first real paragraph of the message asks for help. I do not think it should be taken as a legal threat per se, but as a request of help, which turned into a legal threat due to simple ignorance of policies. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:13, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Note also that this is an s.p.a. which in over two years of editing has done nothing but change things on his client's article, beginning his career by falsifying her date of birth to make her three years younger. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:07, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You mean the unsourced d.o.b. we have in the article, sourced to IMDb? I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be willing to bet money that 1954 is right and 1957 is wrong. If IMDb says something, and the article subject says it's wrong, we should believe IMDb? Good grief. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:11, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * p.s. the article subject's own website lists 1957. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:23, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh and it isnt a sock account either. Please check your comments before you post them TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:19, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

For information only: for her date of birth, all sources agree on June 14th. The IMDB database gives both 1954 and 1957. Her own web site gives 1957. User:Jackiekong (who probably deserves blocking has been blocked for impersonating a real person) has changed the article to both 1950 and 1960. The OP, User:Wstreiff, has changed the article to 1957. Maproom (talk) 19:51, 21 December 2012 (UTC)