Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 February 12

= February 12 =

Admin needed for protected template
Hello. Following this discussion via WP:SOAPS - changes need to be made to the Template:Infobox soap character. Following the discussion that was live for two weeks the outcome was that one colour should be used for the template. To make it more consistent the colour should now be matched to Template:Infobox soap character 2 - This template is protected, so could an Admin remove the option of the color field and ensure that the template uses only #cccfff - this will then match the second infobox. Rain  the 1  00:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Is anyone willing to help? Rain  the 1  06:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

The change that is needed in Template:Infobox soap character is → #cccfff four places. —teb728 t c 07:21, 12 February 2012 (UTC) (For community discussion of the change see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Soap Operas.) —teb728 t c 08:20, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It'd probably be more appropriate to describe the change on the template's talk page and use edit protected instead. --Chris (talk) 07:31, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've disabled the request; I guess all the admins who have looked at this in the past 13 hours must have agreed with Chris's advice. edit protected is the usual way to make this sort of request. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

MAGPIE article weird statistics results
This MAGPIE Mega Ampere Generator for Plasma Implosion Experiments article has about 38000 views on the traffic statistics every month, compared to Plasma (physics) which has around 90000 views, which means it is half as popular as the plasma article. Plus this article was created in 2009, but it has statistics views since 2007 how is that possible. Most people don't even know about this MAGPIE article, so how is getting a lot of views just curious to know. It hasn't been edited or added any new info, is someone just clicking on it that many times a day? The traffic statistics could be hacked. Magpie is also a bird which has around 37000, even if this article was popular is has little info som most people would not keep going back to it, and the articles that have links to it get less than a 1000 views a month. Shawn Worthington Laser Plasma (talk) 01:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/MAGPIE for MAGPIE shows exactly the same numbers as http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Magpie for Magpie. It appears the tool cannot distinguish between the different capitalizations. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah that seems the most reasonable choice, but most bird fans probably can distinguish the capitalization, especially if its been a article for 5 years there bound to correct themselves, but it does have the same amount of results.Shawn Worthington Laser Plasma (talk) 01:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Render server error while creating book
Hello,

I just went to create a book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Celine_Dion and I am getting this error:

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Can someone please tell me how I can fix this?

--Danielx64 (talk) 03:41, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I see the same issue, but it starts at 90% . I'll raise the question at WP:VPT RudolfRed (talk) 06:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Danielx64 Thankyou for letting me know. When will it be fixed? Danielx64 (talk) 02:36, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

White-Pool House
I am affiliated with the White-Pool House. Who is posting information and pictures for this page in Wikipeda? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-Pool_House  Thank you.75.36.98.171 (talk) 05:17, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Several editors have contributed to that article. You can see this by clicking on the "View History" tab at the top of the article.  If you have changes that you'd like made, you can post your suggestions on the talk page for the article which you can access directly from this link.  Please remember to include reliable sources for any information that you would like added or taken out.  Dismas |(talk) 05:22, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Citing a piece of literature / media.
The encyclopedia requires independent, secondary sources with a track record for accuracy. Does this apply to content about literary works? i.e. Are editors required to find veracious sources to support what happened in a literary work's plot? Or does it suffice to cite the literary work itself? I'm curious if the literary work is considered "reliable" in such a case since it wouldn't be independent, nor secondary. NTox &#124; talk 06:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Citing the work itself is naturally acceptable for the content of the work, but not for comments about the content. Roger (talk) 06:30, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * There is actually a lengthy essay on the subject. See especially How to write a plot summary. --Saddhiyama (talk) 11:55, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. NTox &#124; talk 21:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Why can only administrators view deleted pages?
I can understand why only admins can restore deleted pages. But what harm can it do if non-admins view them? I know that on more than one occasion I've seen a page deleted for "patent nonsense", and I've wondered what it said. I know it's not so that people won't just restore it manually by copying and pasting it, because AFAIK you can't create a page with the same name as one that had been deleted. Anyone know why you can't view deleted pages?  flarn 2006  [u t c] time: 06:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, gee, if anyone can view them, in what sense are would they be "deleted"?--Wehwalt (talk) 06:42, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As in, they wouldn't be part of the main wiki content anymore, and people would know it's not actual, reliable information. And of course that raises the question of why any page would really need to be "deleted", as in, hidden from people. If it's a copyvio, that's one thing, but that can be a separate type of delete, as I'm pretty sure most deletions aren't for this reason. I know certain revisions have been deleted for legal reasons before, like in Conventional PCI.  flarn 2006  [u t c] time: 06:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The place for this kind of proposal is Village pump (proposals). —teb728 t c 08:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * But before making a fresh proposal there, see Perennial_proposals. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, you can create a page with the same title as one that has been deleted, as long as the title hasn't been salted. There are very good reasons as to why non-admins can't view deleted pages, including WP:BLP and WP:COPYVIO to name but two. Mjroots (talk) 15:51, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Editing a page that later gets deleted
If I place a CSD tag on an article that later gets deleted, does that count towards my edit count? Paolo Napolitano  10:38, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes it gets counted. If you look at this page you will see detailed statistics of all your editing activity. Roger (talk) 11:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It however, doesn't get counted on your preferences -- Hallows AG ( talk ) 11:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it does - see Help:User contributions. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:49, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

How do I put a reference in a endnote?
At Ontario Highway 401, I've got two notes to accompany the plethora of references. However, one of the notes requires referencing. When I put a ref in the note, it breaks both and an error message shows up. I know there's a method that doesn't use the ref xml tag, but I can't find it. Any insight? -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  16:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's described at WP:REFNEST. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thanks! -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  τ ¢  06:04, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Ullswater
Hi the information about Ullswater steamers is incorrect there are now 5 vessels on ullswater latest addition to the fleet in 2011 is Western Belle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.242.173.63 (talk) 16:47, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * If you have a reliable source for this information you are welcome to update the article concerned. If you are unsure of how to do it you can post your information on the article's talk page. Roger (talk) 17:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Spelling error in the title of an article I have created
I have created the article: Church of St Teilo, LLantilio Crosseney Unfortunately, I have made a mistake in the spelling of the village in which the church is located. The article should be titled: Church of St Teilo, Llantilio Crossenny Can somebody tell me how to retitle the page. Many thanks in anticipation and apologies for the slip-up. KJP1 (talk) 17:02, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

✅ I've moved the article to the correct title. Roger (talk) 17:08, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I shall try not to make such a dumb error again.  Much appreciated.  KJP1 (talk) 17:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you make such a mistake again, you can usually move the article yourself. Click the arrow on the banner at the top of the article and select move - that will allow you to move the article to a different title. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 19:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

looking for admission
Please I want to know is this institution have a course call environmental management technology for masters student — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.186.22.248 (talk) 19:07, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a university and does not run courses. You may have read one of our articles about a university, we are independent from any other institutions and cannot provide information like this. I suggest you find the actual website of the institution you wish to contact - if you tell us what that is, someone should be able to direct you to the right place. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 19:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)