Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 February 19

= February 19 =

Error on Eric Griffin page
The page for Eric Griffin incorrectly states his birth year as 1976 instead of the correct year of 1974. Also he was born and raised in the suburb of Boston called Norwood, Massachusetts. I'm sure there are documents at that Town Hall as well as the schools, I personally don't have them, but I was a childhood friend who spent many an afternoon and weekend at his house from pre-k until his HS graduation two years ahead of me. I've tried to change this before but it seems that someone keeps falsifying this information. Any help would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.8.238.49 (talk) 01:08, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Dismas removed the birth date because it was unsourced. Beyond that, the only solution would be a reliable source. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 22:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Dismas removed the birth date because it was unsourced. Beyond that, the only solution would be a reliable source. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 22:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

New message prompt reveals 2007 messaage (reverted or removed)
I searched for CV-10 USS Yorktown on mobile. Search results showed up accompanied by a note saying "You have new messages (last change)." I opened the "New message" link and got User talk:64.228.137.42 signed by Somno(talk) 02:28 27 December 2007 (UTC) which objected to an edit made to Westdale Secondary School, of which I was totally unaware and incredibly innocent. The message assignned warning number 1. Could you please relay to Somno and request user to reinstate my status. Grateful thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Professoreugene (talk • contribs) 01:46, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Just ignore it and don't worry. You must have been logged out when you saw the "New messages" banner at Help:Using talk pages. The 2007 post by Somno was a response to this edit by the IP address you happened to have when you got the New messages banner. It can change which computer is on an IP address and nobody will hold a 2007 edit against you now. See also the box at the bottom of User talk:64.228.137.42. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks. Rgds — Preceding unsigned comment added by Professoreugene (talk • contribs) 03:18, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

About speedy deletions
Can a non-administrator nominate a page for speedy deletions? And if the answer is yes, how do I contact an admin for deleting the page? Agent 78787 talk contribs 03:11, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, and you don't need to. Just put the tag on it and if an admin who is going through the speedy delete queue agrees with your reasoning, they'll delete it.  See more at WP:CSD.  Dismas |(talk) 03:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Anyone can nominate a page for speedy deletion. If you go to WP:CSD it explains what the different criteria are.  All you need to do is to add the appropriate template to the top of the page that you want to nominate.  as an example if you wanted to nominate an article about a real person for speedy deletion you would add db-a7 or more specifically db-person.  THis will alert admins that the page is nominated for speedy deletion.  GB fan 03:17, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

fake link form All's Well that Ends well to a very suspicious site
Dear Wikipedia,

I did a google search for "all does not end well" and the first that popped up was the link to Wikipedia's "All's well that ends well." So checked it out. It looked legit, but when I clicked on the page, I was take to a new page about Proof that Jews were behind WTC. I tried going to that site via the usual wikipedia portal and I did not have that problem, but there is a site to looks exactly like it that is linked a very supsicious web site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.171.42.171 (talk) 04:01, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Per WP:BEANS, I'm not stating exactly what the issue is, but it's being addressed. Calabe1992 04:19, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Answer to College Accounting 20th Edition Ch 6 pg 222-226
I need help with the trial balance for "The Generals Favorite Fishing Hole" pg 222-226 in the H&P College Accounting 20th Edition Ch 6 Comprehensive Problem pgs 222-226--MadGreenMan (talk) 06:38, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome to . Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misinterpretation, but it is our policy here not to do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn nearly as much as doing it yourself. Please attempt to solve the problem or answer the question yourself first. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, feel free to tell us where you are stuck and ask for help. If you need help grasping the concept of a problem, by all means let us know. —teb728 t c 06:41, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome to . Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misinterpretation, but it is our policy here not to do people's homework for them, but to merely aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn nearly as much as doing it yourself. Please attempt to solve the problem or answer the question yourself first. If you need help with a specific part of your homework, feel free to tell us where you are stuck and ask for help. If you need help grasping the concept of a problem, by all means let us know. —teb728 t c 06:41, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes - but not here try a Reference desk, when you have a more specific question. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:45, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Fate/Stay Characters page is hacked too
Clicking anywhere on the article leads to an anti-semitic website. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fate/stay_night_characters — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.174.69.67 (talk) 09:47, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Has been fixed, this issue has been adressed multiple times over the last two days concerning various web pages, try reading previous posts before posting, thanks!  Captain Screebo Parley! 12:05, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

How to add a sandbox article to main Wikipedia pl?
Dear Help Desk I have created an article in my Userpage sandbox, on Begum Mahmooda Salim Khan, which in my view was needed and I have also added a talk note to this effect there. However, I dont know how to convert or add this article to the actual/main Wikipedia. Could you please help? Thanks Khani100Khani100 (talk) 11:52, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ I've moved it for you.  Rcsprinter  (gas)  12:27, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Why are people allowed to talk and act like this?
Below is a conversation that is taking place on Ryulong's talk page. I am very confused as to why in a civilized discussion about these issues is it okk for Ryulong to start tossing around profanity and both insult and belittle both myself, the other user in the conversation as well as an external website. Is this really how things are done at wikipedia?

Ai Ebihara

I don't really get the whole reliable source thing, but how is a statement from the actress herself less reliable than people guessing? --Shadoman (talk) 06:08, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * If you actually read WP:Identifying reliable sources you will see that it says in the first sentence


 * Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources...


 * A personal correspondence you have had with the subject is not published, and is therefore not a reliable source according to the rules and regulations of the English Wikipedia.—Ryulong (竜龙) 06:11, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

And this is why wikipedia will forever make no sense. The communication between the voice actor and the person in question is documented at www.behindthevoiceactors.com. There is an actual documented image showing the proof from the voice actor themselves. It is ridiculous rules like this that has forever given wikipedia the lable of 'unreliable' to the rest of society. Tell me how this makes sense??

98.213.117.229 (talk) 07:23, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * BehindTheVoiceActors.com is not a reliable source, either. And I don't give a fuck about what you think about Wikipedia. We have our rules that everything has to be verifiable to reliable, published sources. Again, some random e-mail correspondence posted to some bumfuck website is not a reliable source. The game data purportedly says she voiced Ebihara, as do every single website out there except for the shitty website you're trying to show me.—Ryulong (竜龙) 08:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, I don't see what makes GameFAQs any better because it's user-submitted. Further down that reliable sources page, you'll see that user-generated sites are both considered questionable. The credits systems on GameFAQs and IMDB are both user-submitted. Plus, GameFAQs has both Jessica Straus and Susan Dalian listed as Naoto. Which one is it? Actually, a quick Google search for "julie ann taylor Ai Ebihara" shows this on the first five pages: forum posts, Wikipedia, IMDB, GameFaqs, Gamespot, VGchartz, Metacritic (info for these three sites is taken directly from GameFAQs), Anime Characters Database, and VoiceChasers. All of these are user-submitted. The only one that's close to reliable is VoiceChasers, but if Behind The Voice Actors isn't reliable then they aren't. --Shadoman (talk) 13:31, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

First of all, why the heck do you think in this conversation it is ok to start cussing at the people talking to you? Second, you guys use IMDB and all of these 'user submitted' websites which are not nearly as reliable or accurate as a site that actually confirms credits! Have you ever even been to behindthevoiceactors.com? They CONFIRM their credits. There are green check marks on roles that you can click on that show you either the end credit screens from a show/game that PROVE voice actor credits, communication with voice actors/directors, voice actor resumes etc etc ALL of which are more accurate than user submitted data found both here and at places like IMDB, GameFaqs etc. How is a user submitted piece of info on these site MORE reliable than communication straight from the voice actor themself? I am not trying to be a jerk here but think about this logically, it makes no sense. Finally, you say that the information has to be 'published', how is any of the information on GameFaqs or IMDB or any of those sites 'published'?? Its not, its literally no different than how behindthevoiceactors website presents their information except that behindthevoiceactors actually verifies its credits. Also, its not some 'bumfuck' website, try actually going to it and you will see that dozens and dozens of voice actors are not only members there but have praised it as being the 'best' voice acting website on the internet, and yes there are 'quotes' from the voice actors that prove this that are displayed at the site so you don't have to take my word for it.

Optimussolo (talk) 15:25, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Optimussolo (talk) 15:29, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Optimussolo, thank you for your message. I'm sorry to hear you've had a difficult experience - sadly that does sometimes happen, but we work to avoid it wherever possible. I cannot speak for the website itself, but if there is a dispute over a source's reliability, we have a reliable sources noticeboard, which would be the best place to go, as other editors can help you resolve the dispute. Whatever the state of the website, though, the abuse is unacceptable. If it is a one off, you might want to notify the user at his talk page, or raise the issue at Wikiquette assistance; if it continues, WP:RFCU might be a better venue. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 15:42, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The help desk is not where you go to make a complaint, anyway.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 19:54, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ryulong, if that's the only thing that you're taking away from this thread, then you've missed the point. You could have made the same points just as effectively without profanity.  Unless there's some history here with the editor that isn't apparent, there was no reason to jump to such an aggressive and unpleasant approach.  Is there any extenuating circumstance we're unaware of?  TenOfAllTrades(talk) 02:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The issue has resolved itself. I am merely tired of people complaining to me when I am stringent on reliable sourcing issues, because they believe whatever particular website where they have gathered the information from is a reliable source, but when I advise them otherwise they get extremely defensive about it. This discussion was also brought here before I had any sort of chance to respond to anyone on my talk page, but seeing as the issue resolved itself and the fact that Optimussolo posted two lengthy essays on my talk page that I had no intent on reading, it has been removed from there, with two different people not knowing that I was fully in my right to do so.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 05:57, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Naming conventions
I have a question about the naming conventions of articles that I was hoping someone could answer. I have already read the naming conventions article, and my question was not answered by that. I have written several articles (La Floresta (FGC) and Sant Cugat (FGC)) about train stations run by a Catalan train company called the FGC. I was at first unsure about how to name these pages, but then I found a page on the same topic, Les Planes (FGC), which used the naming convention (putting 'FGC' in parentheses after the name of the station) that I then adopted for the two previously mentioned articles I created. But I am not sure if this is the right way to name these pages, as the redlinks to them are often inconsistent. Also the articles about the FGC's train lines are named as FGC line and then the name of the line (for example FGC line S1). Should the stations be named as La Floresta (FGC station)? or FGC station La Floresta? Also, if you look at the names of some of the articles about the FGC stations, you will see that they have the name of the article followed by (Barcelona Metro) (for example, Sarrià (Barcelona Metro), but it is only correct to name articles about FGC stations this way if they are serviced by a FGC line that is part of the Barcelona Metro system, which the stations I am talking about are not. Please advise. Thanks,  Liam98 7   16:46, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Have you tried asking at WikiProject Trains? They have a manual of style. See this section on titles here: WikiProject Trains/Manual of style -- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  19:26, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I read their manual of style, but they didn't have a section on train stations. I then posted my question on the talk page there, but have received no reply. Also no no (besides me) has posted anything there since 2010. So I'm coming back here for help.  Liam98 7   15:28, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Request for Feedback
I've most recently expanded the Devon Hamilton article and rebuilt the Shawn Butler article and I'd like for them to be reviewed and if there are any ways, how can I improve either of the articles?--Nk3play2 my buzz 17:34, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * If you want feedback, first look to some WikiProjects - perhaps WikiProject Soap Operas. Those people will be best placed to review your article for you. Alternatively, you can go to Peer review for a more formal and thorough review (at the moment, you can only have one peer review request open at a time). ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 18:13, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Roman Catholic Churches in NYC
In your listing, you are missing St. Philip N'eri in the Bronx on the Grand Concourse, near Bedford Park Blvd, running parallel to Villa Avenue. My parents were married there, and I was Christened there. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.156.101 (talk) 18:43, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add it to the article, then. You can edit the page by clicking the edit button - either at the top, or by the relevant heading. For additional help with editing, see Help:Editing. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 19:12, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

hip goverment program for homeless intervention funding
I would like to know when the fundings for the salvation army hip funds for the rent assitance will be available to the community in charlottesville va — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.145.68.6 (talk • contribs)


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