Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 February 20

= February 20 =

Help me I sumitted the wrong article
Somebody pleas help me with the deleting process. I uploaded a journal instead of an article. I have searched with no avail to delete the content. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tharpeanthony1 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The page has been deleted. GB fan 00:43, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Name
I can't remember whether I entered my real name at the time of registration (which could be used for attribution). Is it possible to provide real name now, in case I did not provide previously? -- Supernova Explosion   Talk  01:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you are not worried about your privacy, you could post your real name on your user page. If you are asking if Wikipedia has a place for real names (separate from usernames) in its database, it doesn't. Attribution is based on your username when you are logged in and on your IP address when you are not. —teb728 t c 02:46, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Only a username, password and email can be given at the time of registration at Special:UserLogin/signup (if you create a new account from another account then you can also fill out a "Reason" field). There is no place in Special:Preferences or other "official" place to enter a real name different from the username. All you can enter is gender. Some users write their real name on their user page or a subpage but this is optional and they are free to remove it later. If you want to change your user name to your real name then see Changing username. It's more common to change a username away from the real name. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:52, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Forgotton Username
What do you do if you know the email account you have wikipedia account on, but not the username? 81.149.182.210 (talk) 03:02, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * See Help:Logging in The email address cannot be used to recover the username. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:06, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

what is half pk ? What is full and half mold in leather gloves
Hi! I am looking for some information on leather gloves.what is half pk ? What is full and half mold in leather gloves.Can you show me some illustrations to understand the concept better? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.98.232.183 (talk) 05:07, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. RudolfRed (talk) 06:12, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Uploading mistake
The wrestler that appears in File:Larry O'Dea.jpg isn't O'Dea but his tag team partner Ron Miller. Could someone reupload a correct image? Here are some alternatives:


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If it's possible for someone to take a screenshot, this post-match interview (9:10-9:40) from On the Mat would make a very good image (essentially a larger version of this). Since O'Dea died back in 1997 all of these should be used under the same rationale as the original file. 72.74.215.158 (talk) 06:24, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

reviewing an artile called: Sakib
Can you please review an article called: Sakib

Thanks -- Historyfeelings  - talk 06:29, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * See WP:Peer review for how to request review. Roger (talk) 06:58, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Down Loading pictures/photos from wikipedia "athenic" site
HOW DO I DOWNLOAD A PHOTO OF THIS SHIP? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.227.5 (talk) 11:06, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Is this the photo you want? Roger (talk) 11:16, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * If you double- click on a picture at Wikipedia, you should be taken to the "file page" where you will see some options for downloading. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:26, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Double-click? All images are links and therefore only require a single click to reach the file page.  Dismas |(talk) 11:43, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Looking for a specific policy page
Can someone point me to the policy page saying that all user generated content (such as images) have to be released under a free license? I can't seem to find it right now. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:47, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's at Image use policy. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:07, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:12, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Deleting Published User page articles and Deleting my account
Hi there, I have incorrectly published two pieces of wikipedia info on a user page and I want to delete them. Can you please delete the mentions that I published and also take me off the user page. I am sorry about this inconvenience - can you please email me when this is done? If this cannot be done - cna you please delete my account? Thanks very much, Robbert Aarts — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robbert Aarts (talk • contribs) 11:55, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * You can tag your user page with . - David Biddulph (talk) 12:01, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The page is blank anyway - nothing to delete. Roger (talk) 12:27, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The user had blanked the page, but the information was still there in the history. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:34, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Roger (talk) 13:09, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I have deleted the page User:Robbert Aarts. Accounts cannot be deleted. See Courtesy vanishing. We generally don't reply by email. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Image copyright?
I want to use images from the website trenscat.cat on an article, but I am not sure if I am allowed to use the images on Wikipedia, and if I am, how do I go about using them without violating the author's copyright? (The images are not public domain). Thanks,  Liam98 7   11:59, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * According to Google translate, "The photos are for personal use and not profit. If the need for any other use (websites, newspapers, etc.) please contact the author of the picture before." So, yes, the images are not public domain. Before an image from this site could be used at Wikipedia, you would have to ask the copyright holder to give up some of his/her rights in the image by following the instructions at Donating copyrighted materials. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:17, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

The Visit Album - references
I was editing the page of page of The Visit cause there were a few bare links. Turned out that 2 of them linked to the same page (of the RIAA) and one to a database where I couldn't find the info given, so I want to delete that one. Also I was wondering of both the RIAA links should stay or if one can be deleted. And at last, I wanted to edit the first reference in a proper link (who, were, when..) but I couldn't get it right, I guess I don't really understand how to edit the reference while in an infobox. :-s --Dianafl (talk) 12:39, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It appears User:John of Reading has fixed the problem. Please check and make sure he did what you wanted. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 22:26, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks pretty good to me. So now the bare links are gone, I suppose the tag about that can be removed?--Dianafl (talk) 06:53, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Visit_(Loreena_McKennitt_album)&diff=478210233 removed] it. Goodvac (talk) 07:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I want to request a new article to be made, but I don't want to create it myself
I want to request a new article to be made, but I don't want to create it myself.. Am I able to do this? I came to the site looking for the meaning of this particular thing, and i think an article would be beneficial to a lot of people, but I don't have the ability to create an article about it. I've never been good with writing papers or reports or things of that nature. Any help on how to submit this would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. 71.225.170.240 (talk) 13:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * See Requested articles. Note there are a lot of requests and no way to tell when or if one of our volunteer edits wil make a given article. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:28, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Uploading journal cover image
I work for a publisher and wish to upload a journal cover image as non-free media with a use rationale. Can you advise on the process to upload such an image?

Thanks Phil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philrsp (talk • contribs) 15:03, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Have you read Non-free use rationale guideline ? _ David Biddulph (talk) 15:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Your account has to be autoconfirmed to upload non-free images, but maybe we can do it for you. See Non-free magazine cover. Can you give a link to the image and the article where you want to use it? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:36, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you tell us what exactly the cover shows and in which article you want to use it? We have guidelines on what uses of such a non-free cover are acceptable (see WP:NFCI). Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:17, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help desk response. The cover image is located at http://rsnr.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/current

Great if you can upload it.

I hope to add images to all our journals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Society#Publishing) - would it be possible to become 'autoconfirmed'?

Thanks Phil — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.63.75.2 (talk) 13:49, 21 February 2012.


 * I copied the above post from my talk page. WP:AUTOCONFIRM mentions the conditions to be autoconfirmed. It's also possible for administrators to manually confirm users before they satisfy the conditions but non-free images are tricky so it's perhaps best if we help. Is the linked cover for use in Notes and Records of the Royal Society? Is there a particular reason for that cover besides being a current edition which is not important for a Wikipedia article? Whether we are allowed to display a non-free image as fair use depends on where it's displayed for which purpose. The drawing on the linked cover is from 1848 with expired copyright so I think we are good here. It would be problematic to justify multiple covers at Royal Society. A magazine cover in an article about that magazine is better. Please reply here by clicking the "edit" link to the right of the section heading. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:42, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to be unclear - my plan is to have cover images for the individual journal pages e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_the_Royal_Society_Interface rather than on the main RS page.

I feel it adds something to the entry and seems to be common practice for many journal entries e.g.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(journal) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proceedings_of_the_National_Academy_of_Sciences_of_the_United_States_of_America

What do you think?

Thanks Phil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philrsp (talk • contribs) 16:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I have uploaded File:Notes and Records of the Royal Society, March 2012 cover.gif and added it to Notes and Records of the Royal Society. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:00, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I will upload covers of other Royal Society magazines and post when I complete. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:37, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I have now added covers to Notes and Records of the Royal Society, Journal of the Royal Society Interface, Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A, Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society, Biographical Memoirs of Fellows of the Royal Society and Proceedings of the Royal Society (both A and B). Open Biology is only online and doesn't appear to use covers. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B and Biology Letters already had covers. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks -looks good! Philrsp (talk) 08:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

We have completed a page for the one journal which is missing -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interface_Focus

Would you be able to add the cover image for this too - see http://rsfs.royalsocietypublishing.org/

Thanks again 193.63.75.2 (talk) 15:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I can do it in a day. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:15, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

To Whom It May Concern
Say how can I download this please? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Tip_and_Ty_again.ogg QUICKIMI (talk) 16:51, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you are using Windows, right-click the above link as press "Save link as..." or click the link once and use the file menu and click "Save page as...". Did this work? jonkerz ♠talk 17:09, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it weird that I, on Windows XP using IE8, got a file download box with the options "Open", "Save", and "Cancel"? (I ask if it's weird because I typically don't get that box for any file on WP (other than an SVG, because I don't have a prgram selected to deal with them).) Also, when you right click the link the words you should press (in IE) are "Save Target As..." (just because some people who are computer illiterate don't immediately realize that there's not really a difference between the two things). - Purplewowies (talk) 17:26, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I use Firefox in Linux, so I've no idea. But you can change your browser to Firefox to make it go away ;) jonkerz ♠talk 19:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, but alas, all Firefox installations on this computer thus far have been extremely prone to crashing. :P I use Opera and IE8: Opera for JS files that allow me to more easily use YouTube (though Firefox w/Greasemonkey would allow some scripts that don't work in Opera to work), and IE for almost everything else. I can listen to .ogg format in-browser just fine, and if I opt to download it, it opens in Sony Vegas (though, oddly, (for this one, anyway) it gets less than 15 seconds of the file 0_o). :P - Purplewowies (talk) 19:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes this did work! Thank you Jonkerz! — Preceding unsigned comment added by QUICKIMI (talk • contribs) 18:25, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Although most audio files on the Internet are in .mp3 format, Wikipedia has decided to use the .ogg format (also known as Ogg Vorbis) in light of patent restrictions that the community has deemed unacceptable. Unfortunately, both Microsoft and Apple Inc. have decided to omit a player for this format from their operating systems. However, it is generally easy to download and install a separate player that will work.
 * If you are using Microsoft Internet Explorer or Apple Safari as your web browser, the simplest method is to install Java ([//www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp download]) (which you only have to do once) and go to File:Tip and Ty again.ogg or any other page on Wikipedia that has a "play" button for the file in question. If your computer is a Mac, you should instead follow a different procedure to install Java. In this case, the Wikipedia page includes the actual player; Java is only necessary to make it work properly.
 * Alternatively, you could switch web browser to Mozilla Firefox ([//www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/fx/ download]) or Google Chrome ([//www.google.com/chrome/ download]), which both include built-in support for the .ogg format. You would use Firefox or Chrome in place of Internet Explorer or Safari.
 * However, if you want to save the file on your hard drive or convert it into a .mp3 file, you would have to install a different codec, audio player, or converter that supports the .ogg format; see Media help for more information. PleaseStand (talk) 19:01, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Images Permissions
I uploaded an artist's image with an "OTRS pending" tag as a permission, and I sent the full permission from the artist, to wikimedia's permissions' email (I was told not to add any email to the Help Desk topics). Meanwhile, only registered users can see the image in the article, and non-registers users can't see a thing. Is it because I did something wrong in the upload? my problem happens in the Elisha Ben Yitzhak article (there is only one picture in this article). How can make it possible to everyone to see this image ? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guy.e (talk • contribs) 17:00, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I can still see it when logged out. I will say that when I added an image to an article and the OTRS was pending, someone else removed it, saying not to use it until permission was officially confirmed (which it was a day or two later). - Purplewowies (talk) 17:15, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Age to be on Wikipedia.
do you have to be at least 13 to be a user on Wikipedia? 99.115.120.68 (talk) 17:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not ask for your age and does not have any policy that sets an age limit. However, we advise younger editors to not post private or personal information (including your name, age, birthday, where you live, or what school you go to) and, if ever threatened by another editor, to tell an adult right away. For more information, you can refer to Guidance for younger editors. Parents may wish to read Advice for parents. PleaseStand (talk) 18:12, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Unable to save a document to CD/RW
The article :Lavrenty Beria can't be exported to my russian CD/RW? My Mac notebook gives me a warning that :Can't be exported because the volume is read-only? Yet it allows me to print it? I'd rather store it on my Russian CD/RW. Do you have an explanation for this problem? Thank for any assistance. By the way,your site is a very good source of reliable information! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.226.213 (talk) 17:53, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not sure I correctly understand you. Are you trying to download an article directly onto a CD/RW? My guess is this is not possible and you would have to save it to your hard drive first and then burn it onto a CD/RW? If my reading of what you want to do is incorrect, please try to clarify. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:00, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Geologic(al) subdivisions: capitalisation
I went to MoS/Capital letters looking for guidance on the use of capital letters in the subdivision nouns following the specific name eg Carboniferous period, Triassic system, Miocene epoch, Cenozoic era, Archaean eon and so forth. I didn't find it. Has any consensus been arrived at on this issue? Do guidelines exist elsewhere within Wikipedia's style pages?

I personally avoid capitalisation but I'm aware that others don't. - Is it to be X Epoch or X epoch, Y Period or Y period etc etc? thanks in anticipation Geopersona (talk) 18:40, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Accidental Multi-gesture?
I accidental moved my hand on my macbook pro while i was reading a page regarding input impedance for electronics, it opened up a summary with in the page(edges darkened with original page in background), it looked like a very helpful window, very clear and concise, just what i needed. I foolishly clicked off of it and then couldn't figure out how to access that summary again. any help in figuring out what I did would be much appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyleadamh (talk • contribs) 18:43, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about a page under a URL such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Url, that is, a Wikipedia page? If not, then this isn't the right place to get an answer to your question. Please click here instead and reinstate your question there. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:52, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * the page I was one was Input impedance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyleadamh (talk • contribs) 20:28, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I am unable to reproduce what you describe. Did you do something special before it happened? When you say you "moved your hand", do you mean you moved your mouse cursor? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:03, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Also you called that section here "Accidental Multi-gesture?". Didn't you use a mouse but some other kind of input device? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:06, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Kindly describe how you close it (i.e., the summary). Was there a close button. Also you told about the main article in background. Was it shaded dark? Was the summary written in a small box? Also did you read the summary, I mean, are you sure it was a summary? It sounds like you were in edit mode and clicked the insert reference or insert link buttons shown as symbols. Please check was the page you were reading like .→ V ani s che nu TM 04:09, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

there was no close button that i was aware of, i clicked on the original article that was in the background(which was shaded). i was using my multi touch pad on my laptop. i think i started to do a four finger up then changed my mind(OSX 10.7). then it just appeared. i have tried since to reproduce it but with no luck. it had smaller amounts of writing than the original article but as i glanced it, it also had all the relevant equations spaced through out the writing. hopefully this helps, I'm really curious to find out what i did and if what i found was actually a useful thing.

Template 'pp-full'
How do I test the following template? (It was once used on page Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene last year, at around 2011-08.)



I presume this is only for administrators, and I don't want to use it - just test what it would output on a page. I tried to paste it into the Sandbox but there was no output.

Does template pp-full even exist anymore? What is the procedure to locate a template's "homepage" (including finding out if a template still exists)? --Mortense (talk) 18:56, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The page for that template is Template:Pp-protected. Using pp-full with the former's parameters will output the same thing as the former template. BTW, you can only test it on a page that's protected (and you can't test it on a fully-protected page if you aren't an admin). Using it on a non-protected page results in no visible output (other than perhaps a category added saying that the page has an incorrect protection template). If it didn't exist, you'd be getting a redlink where you're trying to add the template. - Purplewowies (talk) 19:09, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:Pp-full is a redirect to Template:Pp-protected. This template checks the protection level of the page; if the page is unprotected, the template only will put it in Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates, which is a hidden category. There would be no visible effect on the page in that case.

To see what the template would show up as if the page were protected, you can go to Special:ExpandTemplates and enter the template code along with the name of a fully protected page (e.g. Main Page). It would show both the code resulting from expansion of the template and the corresponding final output, although some of the links will be wrong because of the different page name. Fixing the links results in the following output, which is what would show up if the page were protected today. The page would also be part of Category:Wikipedia protected pages. PleaseStand (talk) 19:26, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

IP hopping
Is this a violation? If so, how can I find out if an editor is doing this? Like if an editor is hopping so they can avoid 3RR and a block. Sarujo (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I assume it follows the same rules as WP:SOCK There's a link on that page to request an investigation. RudolfRed (talk) 19:15, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The behavior really is only sockpuppetry if the editor is intentionally changing IP addresses, as explained by the essay WP:IPSOCK. However, the IP addresses can still be blocked for edit warring, whether for 3RR violations or otherwise, or an administrator may instead decide to fully protect the page. Hint: do not report edit warring to WP:ANEW if you are involved in the edit war (even if you did not start it); the responding administrator would block you too. PleaseStand (talk) 19:39, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Be wary - most IP editors change IPs all the time, just because that is how IP addresses work. IP addresses change, some of them do so every day, some less frequently. If you can confirm that someone is trying to avoid 3RR, or if they are sockpuppetting to avoid a block, they can be reported for those offences. Simply changing IP addresses is not in itself a problem. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 19:43, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Question about "As Of" template
I thought that template:as of was used to automatically update "as of" statements to the current date, or current year, etc. but apparently it only categorizes pages in a category to tell editors that the "as of" statement will get outdated eventually, and you have to put the current date manually anyways. Isn't there a way to make a template that automatically updates the current date, or at least the current year, instead of just categorizing articles as "probably outdated"? If the current "As of" template doesn't do that, why does it have the current date as its "form" on its page ("As of February 20, 2012")?? -Kreachure (talk) 19:26, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The whole point is that the information is susceptible to becoming outdated and requires manual rechecking. By your idea, it sounds like if I wrote "as of  Obama is president", it would update <> automatically to whatever "now" is when reading? That means if nobody manually adjusts it, it would automatically read "as of  Obama is president". The documentation and sample display-text on the template:as of page is specially designed to illustrate how it would look if you used today's date--a good demonstration of its effect. But that's because that's how that page itself is designed to behave when you look at it directly. There's a hidden comment in the template source:


 * 1) dynamic example (as of today, self ref)
 * When you transclude the template on another page, it displays...whatever parameters you use there. Seems like a standard for templates to display a sample result and then have green-box doc explaining how to use them to get all sorts of results in practice. DMacks (talk) 19:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your explanation. But I believe that it's not completely fair to dismiss my idea by considering some "As of X" situations that have a limit, like a presidential period. The template could be removed when it is no longer applicable, like with many other situations. Articles do and should change over time, should they not? I'd be very worried if, template or no template, Obama's article still read "Obama is president" by 2022. :) Kreachure (talk) 20:14, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * If a piece of information is not expected to date, there is no point in stating the situation "as of x". Consider, "as of February 2012, the Earth is round". Why not just say "the Earth is round" and be done with it?  AJ Sham  10:57, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * There are templates that produce the current date, but their usage in article space (as opposed to project space) is extremely rare. The only legitimate example I can think of is in History of Wikipedia, which used to contain the wikicode, As of 29 July 2024 there are approximately articles in the English Wikipedia.  This renders as As of 29 July 2024 there are approximately articles in the English Wikipedia.
 * I sort of take your point with the Obama example, but with less frequently viewed articles there's no guarantee anyone will update the article when the claim is no longer accurate, so having the date auto-update would create an error. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 14:20, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Uploading Google Street view screenshots, permissible?
Hi all, please answer this question. --Peace world  21:02, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * These images are labelled (c) 2012 Google at the bottom left, so they cannot be used at Wikipedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 22:02, 20 February 2012 (UTC)