Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 February 7

= February 7 =

color vs colour
which of these are we supposed to use on wikipedia? sorry, i couldnt find anywhere else to ask --Sparklerainbow87 (talk) 03:34, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "It depends". See WP:ENGVAR. DMacks (talk) 03:48, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * In general, "color", because it is what most English-speaking users prefer. But in an article about a specifically UK subject, such as colour sergeant, "colour". Maproom (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Excuse me Maproom but I have a nitpick or two with your answer. What "most English speaking users prefer" is irrelevant except in the case of an editor creating a new article from scratch and then only if the article is not specifically relevant to any English speaking country with a useage that differes from the editor's personal preference. Once a particular variety is established in an article it may not be changed unless it violates the "national ties" rule in WP:ENGVAR. Roger (talk) 13:34, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

infobox and image conflicting (IE9)
Hi, just started having an issue with the infobox and the centered image in Fluorine conflicting. It was NOT an issue for weeks before, just started right now. Seems to be only in IE9 an issue. Mozilla was fine and so was Chrome. And even IE was fine until just now (fine for several days).

FYI, moving the image to the left did not help (with space separators). Still have the conflict (basically image will not display until after the infobox is done).

If I allow to text wrap (do not want to because looks like crap and section conflict), will work.

Ideas? Will it fix itself?

TCO (talk) 05:23, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

P.s. Don't fuss at me for too many pictures or a big infobox. Help please. ;-)
 * I tried moving the image to the left. How does it look to you now?-- Hallows AG ( talk ) 05:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Then it breaks the section header. I just went back to centering it.  It worked in IE fine before for weeks and it works in all other browsers. Hopefully bug gets fixed.TCO (talk) 06:10, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Was compatability view turned on (turned back off).TCO (talk) 14:52, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Definition on Wiki of "Evil"
Found this on a redirect page Dougweller (talk) 05:46, 7 February 2012 (UTC) :

I happened to be reading an article on "Fox News USA" and found a story which discusses typing certain things into the "Wikipedia" search engine to come up with very "interesting" topics...to say the least. The example that they had in the "Fox News USA" article was to type in "Define English Person"...which came up with the very top line saying "Cunt" is the definition for that phrase and/or person. Since I am German, I decided to type in "Define German Person" and it came up with the word "Evil" showing a picture of Adolf Hitler and discussing Germans being "Evil" through many different forms, including that ALL Germans are Nazi/Hitler Loving people.

This should NOT be up here under ANY circumstance. I and others that I have shown and e-mailed this article to are appalled. I think that the CORRECT definition for a German / English and/or any other nationality need to be properly written or deleted.

I WILL go to many *MORE* news papers and forums (That have not yet run articles on this topic) if this is not completed in a reasonable amount of time. A Common, wide search should not contain this type of material. I would hate for any of my friends children that are growing up, that do not know proper meanings of words and definitions, while doing homework etc. to get this kind of material and think that these are the REAL definitions for Nationalities of People. I do not find "Cunt" being a English person; nor "Evil" describing myself (as a German) and many others, nor being tied still to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party.

I can see why this site has been in so much trouble in the past. These are simple things that should NEVER be overlooked. I doubt I am the first one to complain about this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaligulaRompe (talk • contribs) 05:29, 7 February 2012


 * That doesn't happen when you search on Wikipedia. The Wikipedia articles for those words, cunt and evil, are the first results when you search on Google though.  Your problem is with Google and a practice known as Google bombing and not with Wikipedia.  WP has nothing to do with this.  Dismas |(talk) 06:04, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Typing "Define English Person" on the Wikipedia search engine comes up with this, with Career being the first entry, not cunt. In fact, I can't find "cunt" on any of the search results. Typing "Define German Person" does not return an "evil" response. The search engine also searches in the words in the article, not the article title alone, which could result in some of the search results being not the article you wanted. Regards, Hallows AG  ( talk ) 06:11, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * As others have said, this is a Google search and has nothing to do with Wikipedia's own search function. Furthermore, you are reading the Google results page wrong. Google has a feature where searches starting with "Define" attempt to make a definition, but the definition is marked specially and followed by other results which are not supposed to be definitions. The Google search says:
 * Web definitions: (German People) The Germans (Deutsche) are people descended from several Germanic tribes that inhabited what became the German-speaking...
 * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_People
 * This looks fine to me. The first normal search result not part of the Define feature happens to be the Wikipedia article Evil which contains all three words in the search, but the words are apart and the article makes no claim that Germans are evil. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:19, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Link user CSS and JavaScript across different Wikimedia sites
To tweak my layout of English Wikipedia, I can put custom .css and .js files in my user subpages. These files reside at How can I keep these custom settings when I browse other Wikimedia sites? I do not want to create and maintain duplicate local copies of my settings. Is there a way to link or import these files so that, when I update my master copy, my changes here automatically propagate to the sister projects? &mdash;Cheng ✍ 07:51, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ User:[username]/[skin].css and
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ User:[username]/[skin].js


 * Yes there is. Put the following in your local css file:
 * @import('//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:[Username]/[skin].css&action=raw&ctype=text/css');
 * And the following line in your local js file:
 * mw.loader.load('//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:[Username]/[skin].js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');
 * — Edokter  ( talk ) — 09:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Excellent! Works just like I wanted. Thanks so much, Edokter!
 * Note to anyone else trying to do this: The above CSS contains a minor syntax error. To make it work, either add  before the opening parentheses:
 * or remove both the parentheses and :
 * &mdash;Cheng ✍ 02:17, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * &mdash;Cheng ✍ 02:17, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * &mdash;Cheng ✍ 02:17, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Template problem
I created a new template, Template:Geoids. For some reason, the template seems to generate a space behind the closing bracket on the page where the template is transcluded, as can be seen at Ostrov Amel'kina Griva. How can I fix this? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 09:58, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AGeoids&diff=475550756 moved] the  up to the end of the previous line so there is no line break. Goodvac (talk) 10:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Much appreciated. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:05, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Assistance with article. Autobot said references were not verifiable?
I recently added an article and edited per instructions to provide references. Autobot (?) rejected it. I am not sure what else I need to reference. I have read all of the documents and still am lost. Was hoping someone could tell me what I need to do to correct this article? There are no edits in it.

Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lena Goodwin (talk • contribs) 14:12, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Your draft still doesn't have any references. You have been recommended to read about verifiability and reliable sources.  In addition, try reading WP:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:37, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The references you provided, www.sajnicole.com (her website) & www.cambridgeinternationalgroup.com (her firm) are not independent sources, which cannot be accepted to establish her notabilty. To satisfy Wikipedia's requirements, she would need to be covered sufficiently in multiple external, independent sources. Self-published sources are only acceptable after notabity has been established, and usually only permitted for personal details that are uncontested and not covered elsewhere, since they can, more often than publications with a reputation for verifying facts, be mistaken, misremembered, or inaccurate. Graduated X High School 1968 is likely acceptable, graduated 3rd in her college class would need a verifiable source. Dru of Id (talk) 14:44, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I noticed you resubmitted the article a 2nd time. I'd have to agree with Dru of Id's (above) comments and add that you did not add reliable sources, only links to official websites relating to the companies and institutions mentioned in the article.  There's really no fundamental change to the article so you may want to look at finding reliable sources so your article may get accepted.Curb Chain (talk) 17:54, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Two of your inline external links in Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Saj-nicole A. Joni said something about the subject. So I converted them to references of the type you need. And I identified several purported facts that need references if they are to remain. You have included numerous other inline external references, which perform no function that I can see; they probably should be converted to internal references. —teb728 t c 01:34, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

i think some the info people put in dictionaries and in other places should be changed or removed
i think the words crazy, insane and retardation should be taken out of the dictionary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.115.174 (talk) 15:10, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * This page isn't about what goes into dictionaries. As it says in bold print at the top of this page:  "This page is only for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia."   If you want to discuss the content of a dictionary you would need to contact the publisher of the dictionary, but in this case I don't think your request would get you very far as the words seem appropriate for inclusion. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:17, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

New article - wrong name
Hello, unfortunately I managed to spell the name incorrectly for an article I have just created: Journal@archive. It should be Journal@rchive. What do I do? Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:43, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Please ignore above - will create correct new one and Afd the other, thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I WP:MOVEd the page the the correct name, and will delete the old-name (which is currently only a redirect to the correct one). DMacks (talk) 15:50, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:51, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Categorizing events known by Islamic calendar year
When an event's year, but not its exact date, is known in the Islamic calendar only, the event's Gregorian year may be uncertain. For example, 986 AH corresponds to 1578-1579 AD. How should Wikipedia articles about such events be categorized in terms of their date? For this example, should it be categorized as both a "1578" event and a "1579" event? Or as a "1570s" event? Or as a "986 AH" event? --İnfoCan (talk) 16:23, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I assume there are no WP:RS that do establish the answer? In that case, maybe a "986 AH" cat, whose page explains the Gregorian overlap/uncertainty and is itself in both Gregorian-year event cats. DMacks (talk) 20:05, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * My question was regarding a poem that is dated as just 986 AH. Thanks for your answer, it makes sense. --İnfoCan (talk) 13:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

How and where to suggest a policy or a procedure to Wikipedia?
I tried to do it in the Reference desk, but it didn't appear.--ArraffaB25 (talk) 17:32, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Village pump (policy). A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:33, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The best place depends what it is about. If you say it here then we can help better. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:58, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

hurricane RINA!!! :D
someone keeps changing rina to a cat three and the official sources say cat 2 can you warn them to stop changing coz its misleading thank you :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.225.70 (talk) 18:00, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The TCR for Hurricane Rina was released last month and that shows that Rina was a Cat 3 Major hurricane. Bruvtakesover (T&#124;C) 18:01, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The IP address did not listen to my comment on its talk page about the TCR, so I blocked for 3RR violation and disruption for 24 hours. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:05, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I can tell just by reading the edit summaries that this block was good.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  18:16, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Umm, I can’t agree that it was a good block: I thought admins were not supposed to give blocks for disputes where they are involved. And I thought you were supposed to give a 3RR warning before a 3RR block. Also (not to say Hurricanehink was wrong about category 3) I can’t find at the link he/she put on the anon’s talk page where it says category 3. He/she might have done a better job verifying the change. —teb728 t c 20:28, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I posted a link to the tropical cyclone report, which indicates the storm was a major hurricane (or Category 3 on the Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale). This is backed up by the update in the Atlantic hurricane best track (scroll to the 2nd storm from the bottom). The user reverted four times in a 24 hour period, and given the edit summaries, the user was clearly disrupting. I tried to initiate dialogue by pointing out the tropical cyclone report. Although not a formal warning of 3RR, I hoped that would stop the edit warring, but seeing as the person ignored the report, I did a standard 24 hour block. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:54, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

addition to table and then reference it in footnote--confused...
I have been trying to add a line of text to a table and to reference that addition (name of a type of pottery manufacturer) and just cannot get it straight on ref lists and ref names. I was posting to my sandbox and thought I had it but when I saved to real (wikipedia) site, I drew an error, which freaked me out (don't want to break it). Here's how I tried to edit the table: The Wikipedia url is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_pottery
 * Malibu Ceramic Works || Topanga || 1979–present || Tile, pots, terra cotta floor tile ||

I just don't get the sequencing of creating and/or citing--are they done differently (footnote first, with name ("mcw') and then call that name when adding to table?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Dschag (talk) 20:08, 7 February 2012 (UTC)DanS
 * Fixed your code above for you. You can copy paste it into the table on the article. The way refs work, you put the first full citation between  and it will automatically show up in the references at the bottom. If you want to use the same reference on multiple parts of the article, you can use the name parameter in the first ref, then use a shortened version everywhere else, like . If you're only using it once in an article, there's no need to use the name parameter, just . Hope that helps! — Bility (talk) 20:18, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

How to Write an Article Citing Primary Sources?
I'm doing research as an intern through primary Source Documents about a photographer who was once the Dean of the foundations Department at Pratt Art Institute and sat on many boards at other Art colleges in America. He passed away recently and left all His lecture notes to the workshop I Am an intern at. My online research turned up nothing about Him. I Have looked through wiki:Helpdesk and not found anything about citing primary Documents, Such as Personal letters Or his resume. Help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.100.128.175 (talk) 20:26, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you saying you want to use unpublished sources? All content must be verifiable by published reliable sources. And the sources that demonstrate notability must be independent of the subject. —teb728 t c 20:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Also please see WP:PRIMARY. Note that primary sources ("sources close to the event") can still be used to source uncontroversial facts. But again, they must be reliably published first. This can be in anything from newspapers to magazines to webpages just as long as they are accessible to the general public in some way and thus can be used to verify information. Letters and resumes, however, are not published material.


 * Also note that offline published material such as paper periodicals, books, academic articles, etc. are perfectly acceptable, provided that you include enough information so that a reader wishing to verify the source will be able to identify the exact publication. You aren't restricted to information posted online.


 * As for notability, being an academic (and deceased), his criteria is a bit different from the usual biographies (i.e. it does not depend on how many tertiary sources are of him, as it does in Notability (people)). Please see Notability (academics) instead. -- O BSIDIAN  †  S OUL  21:24, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I have 12 boxes of paperwork that includes News Paper Articles and Published work. it All belongs to the Archive I'm working in as it was left to the archive when He died. Basically I am Sorting through All of it in order to put together a book About His life (which I felt it would be ashame to not make the information publicly available), I'll Have to Ask my supervisor but I believe the Archive is open to the public for at least the University and researchers. I Am also keeping a blog of my progress which includes photographs of Documents, Does that Count as Published? my apologies for ignorance here As I'm just starting out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.100.128.175 (talk) 22:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid not. We need things that have been published in peer-reviewed journals, newspapers of record, and similarly quality-controlled venues: that kind of thing. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  22:36, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Might you publish it at a reliable source or secure its publication at a reliable source? —teb728 t c 22:53, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Once you have written your book and had it published by a reputable publisher, then it can be cited as a source for a Wikipedia article. Until then it is possible that he will not meet Wikipedia's criteria. Note that Wikipedia is never the appropriate place for the first publication of information, as the information would necessarily be original research. --ColinFine (talk) 23:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Adding a section of a page to a category
On the Llantrisant page is a section The Model House.

I want to add this section to the category Visitor attractions in Rhondda Cynon Taf.

I can see how to add Llantrisant, but not the Model House. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heartandhome (talk • contribs) 20:28, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, that cannot be done. Only articles can be added to categories, not sections of articles. The only way round this would be to split the Model House section out into a separate article, then it can be added to the category. – ukexpat (talk) 20:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * You can make a redirect to that section and add the redirect to the category. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:36, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Good point! – ukexpat (talk) 20:43, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! Actually after I posted the above I scrolled up and saw a similar question about listed churches in Wales and so worked out that a redirect page could be added. I've been trying to find out how to create a redirect page. I have the code from st Jerome Church, Llangwm as a template, but whenever I go to links How to Create a New Article I get all the advice on how to create an article, but cannot find a Create a article/page/redirect here link. Of the dozen or so hairs I have left on my head there are a few that are sufficiently blond to allow me to miss the really obvious - but can someone tell me a simple way to create the redirect? Heartandhome (talk) 21:21, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I created it for you at Model House (Llantrisant). – ukexpat (talk) 21:21, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks ukexpat I am just going to bed, (I have to be up at 5 tomorrow - what sort of fool works for the NHS?) - I'll look at it then. I really do appreciate your help, and that of Prime Hunter, tonight. I signed on to edit a page that had inaccuracies that annoyed my wife, but may actually edit the MINAP page which is pretty out of date. Thanks for your support again on my first day here, (as an editor not a reader obviously).Heartandhome (talk) 22:00, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * See Your first article for another time. Redirects are created the same way. You can use the search box on every page instead of the yellow box on the linked page. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Asian font for punctuation character?
At Ellipsis – in Japanese and Chinese, the 3-dot leaders “…” (U+2026) appear on the baseline, because the English text displays in a Western font. The same codepoint in East Asian fonts displays properly vertically centered (like 3 midpoints · · ·). Is there a template or other approved method with a CSS rule to force display of an East Asian font? I know Unicode obviates most font assignments for world scripts, but in this case it makes a difference visually. MJ (t • c) 20:33, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:VPT might be the place to ask. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:25, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

incorrect page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakes_Park is not about oakes park its about niagara falls  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.123.12 (talk) 21:06, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a redirect, which probably means Oakes Park isn't notable enough to warrant an article. Bruvtakesover (T&#124;C) 21:14, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Oakes Park discussed the decision briefly. Dru of Id (talk) 22:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Submission + Credibility
Iwas rejected for an article about 3 years ago.

I have more crefibility than 90% of your entries.

I sent an email complaining about it to your leader, Jimmy Wales, but he could find no record of rejection.

According to sources @ MTV and VH1, my videos have been seen by over 50 Million viewers in Europe + U.S. alone.

Over 300 U.S. radio stations have spresd my News since 12/20/92

3 articles from the New York Times alone.

All the Links are Provided.

Not sure what you people are looking for, but You can ask Mr Wales if you find problems with it cause he thoght it was crefible.

Multiple credible sources provided. Thank You Concert Joe

Below: Links to Articles + Videos from

>>  NY Times (3 articles) NY Press VH1 >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=P4Uhrd9DgII# MTV go to http://concertjoe.com/Video.html and scroll Down NME (NewMusicExpress) NY Post STAR Channel 7 Eyewitness News WBAI WWOR 24/7 >Brooklyn Gotham Magazine SPIN NY Independent Film MONITOR etc.

ConcertJoe movie >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=_F9nI6iFiDA http://concertjoe.com/ http://concertjoe.com/Video.html http://concertjoe.com/articles.html http://concertjoe.com/concert%20reviews.html http://universalbeef.com/ www.Wikepedia.org/ Concert Joe is the World Record Holder for most concerts seen in 1 year. > ( 1,031 in 1992 ) Concert Joe has seen over 15,000 concerts in his life, not counting opening acts. For over 38 years, Concert Joe has given out Free concert Listings and info. He probably holds the record fro most shows seen at NYC's WETLANDS + the Bottom Line. In 1992, Joe saw over 1,200 concerts, officially counting only 1,031 for a world record that will probably never be broken. Someone may see as many shows > but no where near the quality of talent that he saw in New York City in 1992. His 1,000th. show was at the WETLANDS club where Jorma Kaukonen performed. MTV put this event on their news. It was written up in newspapers in at least 5 countries. He was also recognized by VH1, which made him the Star on one of their episodes of Rock n' Roll Record Breakers. It was announced on over 250 US Radio Stations. He has also been featured on NYC's Channel 7 Eyewitness News. He has been on WBAI and WO's Joe Franklin show. He has repeatedly been wriitn up in the NY Times. He has also been festured in the NY Post, STAR, NY Press, New Music Express, Gotham Magazine, etc. Thru very careful timing and planning, he was able to see most major concerts and avoid Concert Conflict Syndrome >(CCS).

He would go o at least 3 full concerts every night and 4 to 6 on weekends. > One night, he actually saw 8 concerts, only 1 he didn't see the entire performance. From 7pm to 5AM, nightly. This could not be done in any other city than the Live Music Capital in the World > New York City. In 1991, when the Grateful Dead performed 9 nights at Madison Square Garden, except for the first night, Concert Joe saw 3 full shows after each of the Grateful Dead shows. He has seen Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead over 600 times. He is known as "New York City's King of Concerts". He has often been consulted by New York's top concert promoters, club managers and booking agents. He goes to various types of concerts including Rock, Blues Reggae, Jazz, Country, Bluegrass, Classical, Opera, Ethnic, Japanese, Chinese, Middle Eastern, Rap, Punk, Metal, Soul, West African, Alternative, Folk, etc. Two Independent Films have been made about him. by Roy Szuper of Universal Beef Productions. He also ahas a line in the movie about the club WETLANDS. At a book Signing at Tower Video, he told the great Frank Zappa that he missed his High School Graduation to see him at the closing week of the legendary Fillmore East. Mr. Zappa laughed hardily and congratulated him. In 1988 / 89, it took Concert Joe many months to convince Ron Delsener, New York's biggest and most prestigious legendary concert promoter,       to break his policy of only booking acts signed by major record label. Ron agrred to take a big risk and take a chance and book Joe's 3 favorite bar bands at his new club the Marquee, without ever seeing or hearing of them. At the time, these bands were virtually unknown, except for a small cult following. Joe promised Ron they would all be big acts some day. These bands were Blues Traveler, Spin Doctors & PHISH ! WETLANDS club was where the 90's JamBand scene probaly began, and Mr. Delsener took it from there and brought it to the main stream music scene. In 1992, when his friend Jeff Buckley played the very small club SINE', he would often announce Joe's entry to the club and ask him aloud, what show he was just coming from and which one he would be next going to afterwards. He is known by New York City's best promoters and booking agents, such as Ron Delsener, Peter Shapiro, Steve Weitzman, Walter Durcatz, Joe Franklin, etc. He is known by many of NYC's music critics, such as Jim Bessman, Neil Strauss, John Swenson, Bob Grossweiner, Steve Bloom, John Holmstrom, etc. He has helped get bands booked at the former Wetlands club, such as Jeff Buckley, Soft Parade, Screaming Headles Torsos, Mark the Harper, Sea Monster, etc. He has never scalped a ticket in his life, preferring the life of a true fan which has given him Good Concert KARMA.

In December of 1989, he was told by the doormen, that he'd be allowed Free entry into the WETLANDS club, because he'd paid to get in more than anyone else during their opening year. He ferused and was probably the first person to be thrown INTO a club instead of Out ! Also, in November 1992 the doorman of the Blue Note jazz club, informed him that he'd paid to get in more than anyone else that year and he had the manager's permission to get in Free for the rest of the year. In 1992, after the Grateful Dead's afternoon show outside Phoenix, Arizona > he rushed into a cab to the airport and made it back to New York for the second half of the NY Philharmonic's 150th. anniversary celebration concert at Lincoln Center. Also in 1992, he told Kurt Masur, conductor of NY Philharmonic Orchestra, that he had seen over 750 concerts in the previous year. Mr. Masur gave a jolly laugh and told him "You know how to enjoy Life !" CONCERT JOE is currently writing a 6-volume series on his concert experiences.

Concert Joe is a legendary figure in the New York City music scene. He is the unofficial world record holder for most concerts attended in a one-year period. He has attended over 400 Grateful Dead shows and has T-shirts to prove it. He has been profiled by MTV, Eyewitness News, The New York Times, The New York Post, US News and World Report, New York Press, Paper magazine, Star Magazine, and High Times Magazine. He has seen some of the best musical performers of the last 30 years, from rock 'n roll to jazz, from opera to hardcore punk. Concert Joe has been absorbing the best music this city has to offer.

Concert Joe with his kindred spirit, "Freddy." Like Concert Joe, Freddy is a fanatical fan. He claims to have seen the most Yankee games of any man on the planet. These two were fortuitously captured on film at Game 2 of the 1998 World Series at Yankee Stadium.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Concertjoe (talk • contribs) 22:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The references that you have provided on the AfC article are to YouTube videos and links to your own website, something that does not count as a reliable source.-- Hallows AG ( talk ) 22:23, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * 19 December 2009 somebody (I assume you) saved a page at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Concert Joe without logging in. If you did not give the page name or the used IP address to Jimmy Wales then it would be difficult to find the page. I only found it because Special:Contributions/Concertjoe shows your account has edited it today while logged in. Please cite the sources directly in the article instead of only referring to your own website where they are mentioned. See Referencing for beginners. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Newspaper articles are generally copyrighted. Do you have permission to show the articles at your website? External links says: "Material that violates the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked." PrimeHunter (talk) 22:42, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Trying to propose an article for deletion
Hello, and sorry to trouble you... I'm trying to propose an article for deletion. I've not done this before, but have followed the instructions on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#How_to_nominate_a_single_page_for_deletion. I've managed to do steps I and II without too much trouble, but I can't seem to get step III ("Notify users who monitor Afd discussion") to work properly. It doesn't show up nicely on the relevant list when I make the changes. Please would someone let me know what I'm doing wrong. You can check the steps I took by looking at the list of edits I've made. Sorry about this. Thanks in advance for your help. RomanSpa (talk) 22:44, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I fixed it for you. You didn't appear to have used  on the nomination subpage. - Purplewowies (talk) 22:58, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was the problem. This edit to Articles for deletion/Log/2012 February 7 was correct but it probably looked wrong to you because the transcluded Articles for deletion/Ezra Axelrod had no section heading at the time. The section heading is also transcluded and automatically added to the table of contents at Articles for deletion/Log/2012 February 7. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:12, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was exactly the problem I had: however I tried it, I couldn't get a section heading to appear. Thanks for explaining this, and thanks for your help. Sincerely, RomanSpa (talk) 23:21, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Using Twinkle automates the process (and others) and makes it a lot easier. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 09:00, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Merrick Systems page deleted
I created this page with references. Can someone tell me why it was deleted for ambiguous advertising? This page does not list the company's products, just the general background. There are many companies on Wikipedia that have listed their products and still have pages on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shreetex (talk • contribs) 23:27, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Read WP:CORPFAQ. Advertaising a company is not necessarily the same as advertising its products. It is to do with the tone of the writing. (If there are "companies on Wikipedia that have listed their products" then they are probably not following the guidelines on WP:Conflict of interest - members and employees of companies should not be directly editing articles about those companies). --ColinFine (talk) 23:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * ColinFine, did you mean to link to FAQ/Business? WP:CORPFAQ doesn't exist. - Purplewowies (talk) 23:43, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did: thanks. If I had said WP:ORGFAQ it would have worked. I usually check my submissions, but I didn't that time. --ColinFine (talk) 18:22, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually it was deleted for UNambiuous advertizing; in other words there was NO doubt that it promoted the company. (The second version was deleted also as UNambiguous copyright violation of the company's about page. —teb728 t c 03:15, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * sadly, your lack of a "g" makes your statement somewhat ambiguous. -- Jayron  32  06:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Advise for Startup Company's Article Revision
If the page for a StartUp was created and then on request, userfied, how can the article be made relvenat. The company is relatively new (being a startup) and we are working on improving the content of the article. We've reviewed the policies and we seem to be lacking in references.

How best can the article we revised since we have only one notable reference? The reason for creation is to provide background information to our subscriber base, who want to know more about who we are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anushuka (talk • contribs) 23:30, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have only one notable reference then the subject is ipso facto not (at present) acceptable for Wikipedia. Your purpose ("to provide background information to our subscriber base") is called self-promotion, and is specifically forbidden in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 23:40, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * See Newsworthy & Publicity stunt. It is, after all, silly season. Dru of Id (talk) 00:34, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * See also WP:UPANDCOMING. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:36, 8 February 2012 (UTC)