Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 January 16

= January 16 =

Notability affecting shared name?
Can a change in notability of one person affect the notability of another person with a similar name. I refer in particular to J erry Sandusky, the former Penn State coach accused of sexual abuse charges, and  G erry Sandusky, play-by-play broadcaster of the Baltimore Ravens on WBAL. As you see by the redlink, Gerry does not have a page yet. He might be considered notable already given his broadcasting job; however, does Jerry's increased prominence affect Gerry's? Even if just to help prevent people from confusing the two? (The two are not related, as Gerry has mentioned in several interviews. However, they both have relatives — also with similar names — with a coincidental connection, and both have articles already: John Sandusky, father of Gerry, played for the Cleveland Browns, and Jon Sandusky [no h], son of Jerry, is an executive with the Browns.) And how should the differentiation be made, with a hatnote on each of their pages, plus an additional line on the general Sandusky page? And do John and Jon need hatnotes? (I ask this because earlier today on ESPN Radio, they updated a story mentioning Jerry Sandusky, then played highlights of the Ravens' game by Gerry Sandusky, and the host had to give an explanation.) — Michael J 00:44, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Gerry's notability hasn't changed. If he was notable, he still is, if he wasn't, he still isn't. Still, it can't hurt to make a brief mention in Jerry's article to avoid confusion. - 194.60.106.17 (talk) 08:08, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that makes sense. I am going to consider Gerry Sandusky notable, inasmuch as others doing his same job (play-by-play for NFL teams) have articles, such as Bob Wischusen of the Jets and Merrill Reese of the Eagles. Therefore I will start work on an article, first doing a search for acceptable biographical information. (I am familiar with WP:BLP.) — Michael J 05:24, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Mala Aravindan
Wiki Says, "He was born in Kerala, India as the eldest son of Ayyappan, an Excise department employee and Ponnamma, a school teacher. Later, he relocated to Mala and started using the place name along with his name."

Problem: Mala is in Kerala, so no one can relocate from Kerala to Mala. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.100.20.154 (talk) 00:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * It doesn't say he relocated from Kerala. You could change "relocated" to "moved" if you think that is clearer, or discuss it at Talk:Mala_Aravindan. This page is for asking questions about using or editing Wikipedia.--Shantavira|feed me 08:52, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Still cannot find my submission
I still cannot find my submission on Lincoln University School of Law.

Thank you Fuhghettaboutit for your comments: You state that the article is at User:Slidhome/H.T. Lockard. This page was set up for me to use and the article is not there when I go to it. Is there some button I need to click to find it?

Yes, I have perused the Lincoln University of Missouri article and the University's website and am aware that they do not cover the law school. The law school ceased to exist in 1955 and you probably are correct that the Brown Supreme Court decision had a lot to do with that. The historical noteworthiness of the law school is that it was created by the Missouri General Assembly in 1938 as a law school for African-Americans pursuant to the then-controlling legal doctrine of "separate but equal" as articulated in Plessy v. Ferguson and it was the only law school in U.S. history to be established as a result of, or in response to, a lawsuit, e.g., Gaines v. Canada. Thus, the law school has noteworthiness aside from the fact that it was established as a part of Lincoln University of Missouri; I would submit that this instance is one of "the tail [the law school] wagging the dog [the university]".

David Biddulph, thank you for your intuitiveness. That earlier post was mine. The law school article's references have not been inlined, yet, and I anticipate that this error will cause it to be flagged for more work. I've only written two articles, so I'm "feeling my way" through the mine field. ..

Can anyone help me find the article?

Slidhome (talk) 03:11, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * So what do you see at the link provided previously? RudolfRed (talk) 03:22, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

RudolfRed -- I see the other article I wrote, on Judge H.T. Lockard

Slidhome (talk) 03:28, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * If you've not cleared it recently, you could check your browsing history (most likely whatever browser you're using).  fredgandt  03:44, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I can't find anything interesting among your contributions other than the page at User:Slidhome/H.T. Lockard. Note that pages have history; you might be thinking of an older version of this article.  If the article was written while you were logged out, it may be difficult to find.  It might be somewhere inside the article incubator or articles for creation, or might be a "live" article (part of the encyclopedia proper).  If it is live, I'd recommend looking at Lincoln University as a starting point.  If it's in the incubator or AFC, it may be harder to track down; the special page Special:PrefixIndex may be useful for finding pages inside of those systems.  -- N  Y  Kevin  @393, i.e. 08:25, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, the incubator is a very unlikely place for a relatively "young" article to end up. Don't bother with it.  -- N  Y  Kevin  @396, i.e. 08:30, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * This search shows all references to "Lincoln University School of Law", not just in article space, so it includes mentions here in the Help Desk, and in Articles for Creation. My conclusion is that no article has been submitted. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:51, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=Slidhome shows your account made a botched attempt at saving a page at "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lincoln University School ofLaw, 1938 - 1955" after your posts here. The edit did not go through so it's not logged in the usual places. If you made a similar botched attempt earlier without logging in then it would be difficult to find without knowing the IP address. To make a new attempt, start at Articles for creation and when you get to an edit window, do not remove the first line before saving. Also note that all references which start with  must end with  . PrimeHunter (talk) 13:42, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

When I used the User page (which was set up for me by another editor) and re-submitted the article entitled H.T. Lockard, I was able to and could track it's progress or lack thereof after submission. It remained on the User page. I wrote another article on the wizard and several other avenues for submission [there were no buttons for me to click to track it] and saved it, it apparently went somewhere and I cannot find it now. I suspect (yes, I have stooped to the level of suspicion) that, had a used a "User page" to submit this second article, entitled Lincoln University School of Law, 1938 - 1955, I would be able to track it. So I cannot now locate this second article. Are editors supposed to use a new User page when submitting new articles? Can you help me? Can you help me locate the new article? Can you answer my questions?

Slidhome (talk) 15:24, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * A number of people have tried to answer your questions. Try following the advice from in the paragraph above yours, where he said "Start at Articles for creation and when you get to an edit window, do not remove the first line before saving". -- John of Reading (talk) 15:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

How is a new "User page" created?

Slidhome (talk) 15:26, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * You can see your saved edits by clicking "My contributions" at the top of any page. If you save correctly at articles for creation then you can follow progress there. If you save incorrectly then it can fail anywhere. You can create a userspace page or any other page by entering the name in the search box and clicking a link on the resulting page. Start the name with User:Slidhome/ for userspace pages. But if you want somebody to see and review your page then it's safer to do as I said: "start at Articles for creation and when you get to an edit window, do not remove the first line before saving". PrimeHunter (talk) 16:19, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

aritcle in punjabi of 'global warming'
i want the article 'global warming'in punjabi language....but there is option for punjabi language for this article ,so please translate the article 'global warming'in punjabi as soon as possible...... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.253.196.16 (talk) 08:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * There is nobody whose job is creating anything in Wikipedia: it is entirely created by volunteers like yourself. You are probably best asking at the Punjabi Wikipedia, but I've not been able to determine whether there is a help page there or not. Alternatively, if you browse the category of Punjabi-speaking editors on English Wikipedia. you might find somebody who is willing to do the translation for you. --ColinFine (talk) 10:46, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That link should have been Punjabi Wikipedia, I believe. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:36, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly should. Ta. --ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Technical glitch with URLs
If search for "University of Lincoln" (with cap on Lincoln), I get a different page to "University of lincoln".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Lincoln http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_lincoln

Content updates are shown on former but not the latter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.220.100 (talk) 09:53, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a known issue with redirects; readers who are not logged in sometimes see old versions of a page when it is accessed through an alternative spelling. I have purged both pages to give the Wikipedia servers a kick, and that should have fixed it at this end. You may need to bypass your browser cache as well. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:05, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

scientist who was killed in a homicide
I created a page of a scientist who was killed in a homicide. Please help to put him in the right category: Gerald_D._Aurbach Standard2211 (talk) 13:38, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The most relevant existing category is probably Category:American murder victims. For how to add an article to a category see this FAQ. --Colapeninsula (talk) 16:42, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Not canvassing
Let's say I wanted to send an idea to all Administrators at the same time. How would I go about doing that? §:~)---Buster Seven   Talk  13:43, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Depends on the idea, but WP:AN would probably be your best bet. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 13:46, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Template help
Please help! This template ,Template:Cricket graph requests nominate, is alinged to the center. This is causing troubles at WP:CRIC/GR. Can anyone move align the whole template to the left. -- Extra   999  (Contact me) 14:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have left aligned the template text. Alpha_Quadrant    (talk)  14:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for that, but I wanted the whole template to be left alinged since this was creating problems here, not the text. Anyone please. -- Extra   999  (Contact me) 14:42, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Has been fixed by size reduction though. -- Extra   999  (Contact me) 14:52, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Minor Vandalism on article?
The lede of the article Chromosome 11 currently starts with the text "Chromosome 11000 . . .", and appears to have been altered from "Chromosome 11 . . ." in an edit at 23:20, 8 December 2011‎ by User 38.106.47.4. This edit looks to me to be incorrect (and pointless), and that User's (or Users') Talk page does not inspire me with confidence, but I lack sufficient knowledge of the subject to be certain that the edit was incorrect. Could someone with a better grounding in the subject area please check and revert, or otherwise amend, as appropriate? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.66.160 (talk) 14:32, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have reverted the edit. Both the sources and the diagram in the article use "11", rather than "1100". Alpha_Quadrant    (talk)  14:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not does this user's talk page suggest that this could be a good faith edit. -- Extra   999  (Contact me) 15:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Date format in accessdate parameter
I have observed in most articles that the date in accessdate parameter of citeweb is given in yyyy-mm-dd format.

E.g.  Is that necessary? Is  wrong? Srin ivas  15:26, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No, that's not wrong. See this section in the Manual of Style. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Here is why you see these style dates: User:Gadget850/FAQ/YYYY-MM-DD dates. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 15:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Although for the sake of consistency, only one date format should be used in an article. – ukexpat (talk) 16:41, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

How to move an article to the “waiting to be reviewed” category of articles for creation
Hi, I have been working on an article for “doForms” which does not ever seem to get listed in the “waiting to be reviewed” category of articles for creation. Can someone tell me if I am missing something or doing something wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark.jadkowski (talk • contribs) 15:35, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * To add it to the queue for review, add the magic text  at the top and then save. You should then see a big yellow box beginning "Review pending". -- John of Reading (talk) 15:56, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * (More) The draft article, Articles for creation/doForms is unlikely to be accepted in its current form. Wikipedia does not aim to have a page on every company, only on those that other people have written about in reliable sources such as books, journals, newspapers and such like. You can read about this at Notability and Notability (organizations and companies); there is a helpful summary here. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:05, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I have moved it to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/doForms which is the appropriate namespace for AFC submissions. When you are ready to submit it for review, add the following to the top of the page: . – ukexpat (talk) 16:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

3 Stooges
Please take a look at Outer Space Jitters, a 3 stooges movie. At "External links" how do I edit the article so that the bullets are not 'bleading thru' the file photo?? Center <> /uncenter <>??--Buster Seven   Talk  16:46, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I moved and resized the image - does that help? – ukexpat (talk) 16:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * This is apparently an IE9 problem. Help desk/Archives/2012 January 1 is about it. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:00, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Glad I didn't attempt to repair. I'm handy in RL...not so much here.---Buster Seven   Talk  17:11, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

finding article
Hello, I have created a page on the Wings of history museum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wings_of_History_Museum When I go to the link, it shows up, but i cannot search it in the wikipedia main page. Please help.

Iluvplanes (talk) 17:05, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * See Help:Searching. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:07, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Broken link to a sound recording on page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Va,_pensiero
The article on page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Va,_pensiero has link in red text at the top right ' Listen to : „Va, pensiero“ '.

However clicking on this link take me to an error - warning page address http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:75_let_17_hor_iz_opery_nabuk.ogg with the following contents:->

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=================== File:75 let 17 hor iz opery nabuk.ogg From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No file by this name exists. File usage No pages on the English Wikipedia link to this file. (Pages on other projects are not counted.)

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Can you kindly pass this advice to an editor of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Va,_pensiero so that the page can be corrected. Thank you 2.103.203.72 (talk) 17:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have removed the link. The recording was deleted for copyright reasons after this discussion. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:04, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Can someone fix the section headers? The equals signs are creating sub-sections of the original section. 71.146.10.10 (talk) 04:41, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

how to write an effective book proposal
how can i find how to write an effective book proposal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.249.202.40 (talk) 19:07, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.8 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.

TOC help
An editor proposed a rewrite of the article that is hidden. However, the TOC of the Talk page includes all the headers and subheaders of the "hidden" text. I want to force no TOC after the subheading "A moderate rewrite proposal" and then force TOC back on at the end so if other editors add topic sections to the page, they will be indexed. I looked at WP:TOC and experimented a bit, to no avail, before coming here.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:19, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALibertarian_Movement_(Italy)&diff=471728868 added] Fake heading to the headings so they don't show up in the TOC. Goodvac (talk) 19:26, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I noticed. It would never have occurred to me that such a template existed, but Wikipedia continues to astonish me. Thanks much for your help.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:31, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

disruptive editing from user
Hi. There is a disruptive editor User talk:Wingard (Thy don't have a user page) however they are obsessing over the number of episodes for Soap Operas such as Days of Our Lives and The Bold and the Beautiful. They insist that these AMERICAN soap operas' episode count should change according to the Canadian air dates. They are consistently getting involved in editing wars and are not responding to those reaching out to them. I ask that you can do something (like a warning) or something to make them stop! please. One of my fellow wikipedians (who are my friend) are in a fragile state and are considering leaving if blocked by this disruptive user. PLEASE do something.  Soap  Jar   19:56, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You may find taking your dispute to Dispute resolution noticeboard could be beneficial. Please read the instructions there carefully.  fredgandt  20:54, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wingard has just been blocked for a week for continued edit warfare. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:56, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Simplon eagle.jpg
I wanted to move the picture "Simplon eagle.jpg" to the Wikimedia commons as recommended by you. Obviously I did not manage though I followed your indications. Perhaps you can move it for me. Thank you. HF Baumann (talk) 20:42, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I would be very careful. I'm not sure File:Simplon eagle.jpg meets the requirements for transfer to Commons.  As a work of sculpture by an artist who died only 30 years ago, it might still be subject to copyright and is therefore not free to use.  If so, that probably means the licensing and attribution currently on the image page is incorrect.  Astronaut (talk) 13:42, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

There are tags on this page, but...
Hello, I'm editing the History Section of the Beit Kama entry, and added three book references, using the template. Upon saving the change, the text looks fine, but at the bottom of the page there is a red error message, saying that the references won't show because I need a reflist. I have gone over the help page and tried some things, but have not figured out how to get it done.

If you could solve it for me that would be great, but it would be good to know how to do it next time myself without bothering y'all.

Thanks - Daniel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.42.87.251 (talk) 20:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed with this edit - click that link to see what I did. The main help page for this is Help:Footnotes, but I guess there's a lot of confusing detail there. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:52, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Need help editing
I work for this company and don't want to violate any COI rules. With 69 locations the company is big enough that it should be on Wikipedia. Can someone help me to keep it all Kosher?

User:Cahen470/American freight

Jon Cahen470 (talk) 21:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The main problem is the lack of sources that demonstrate notability. I looked at all of the sources that you have listed and none of them meet the guidelines at WP:RS. They merely repeat what the company has said in its press releases and do not provide any additional commentary about the company and what it does. Take a look at the guidelines at WP:CORP for guidance as to the notability of companies. And please also take a look at WP:COI and WP:BESTCOI. – ukexpat (talk) 21:59, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * All you need really bear in mind are Notability and Conflict of interest. As long as the COI is declared, there is (as far as I know) no rules against an editor creating or editing an article they are closely tied to or even the subject of. There will in most cases be a greater deal of scrutiny of edits by known COI editors, but a thick skin and a good article later, and who cares about a little scrutiny? Good luck.  fredg<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">andt</i>  22:06, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * P.s. there was an edit conflict but I thought my different approach (I say "go for it!") might be useful so I added it anyway.
 * They may indeed go ahead, observing the guidelines on COI; but only if they can find the necessary independent coverage which Ukexpat says they have not so far done. --ColinFine (talk) 00:27, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Of course. That's why I mentioned notability too. However, any article created (even a poor one) can always be either improved or deleted (whichever suits best), so no harm; no foul (the whole point of be bold).  f<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">red</i>g<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">andt</i>  00:35, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Also (thought about whilst walking dog) Neutral point of view should be carefully complied with when COI editing.  f<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">red</i>g<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">andt</i>  02:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Going Dark
I was wondering if Wikipedia will be back online — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.219.25.213 (talk) 21:43, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * We are online now and from what I understand, will only be offline for one day (please note -this is just what I've read). See this page for a more complete picture. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  21:46, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Userpage snapshot
I found a snapshot of my Wikipedia userpage here, and as I'm not too familiar with Wikipedia copyright I'm wondering if I'm allowed to ask the webmaster of that site to remove the snapshot. <span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;font-family:Franklin Gothic Book, Calibri"> —Entropy (T/C) 21:53, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If they provide proper attribution ("You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license." -text below editing window), then there's not much you can do. If you post it (it being almost anything), you agree that others can redistribute it at will. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  21:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The only URL attribution on that page is the one I added myself to the original userpage, which they subsequently copied. <span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;font-family:Franklin Gothic Book, Calibri"> —Entropy (T/C) 22:11, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe User page could help. The snapshot would then contain linked attribution and an obvious indication that it is a copy.  f<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">red</i>g<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">andt</i>  22:21, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's the case already, actually. The snapshot contains the message I posted on my original userpage, indicating the page is being viewed on a mirror site. Aside from my own attribution, though, that site fails to attribute the snapshot. <span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;font-family:Franklin Gothic Book, Calibri"> —Entropy (T/C) 22:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice to see you, Entropy!
 * The site is currently listed among Wikipedia mirrors and forks at Mirrors_and_forks/Vwxyz, but it looks like no-one's investigated its license compliance, as it's not listed at CC-BY-SA_Compliance. You might be able to add it to the appropriate section.
 * Something that might help keep your userpage off mirrors is adding NOINDEX. That's an instruction to webcrawlers to ignore the page, although I don't believe they're legally obliged to do so.  If you really don't want your userpage appearing elsewhere, one trick might be to keep a screenshot of it at an image hosting website, and keep nothing at Wikipedia except a link to that file.
 * To answer your original question, I don't believe there's anything stopping you from asking the webmaster to remove the snapshot, although they'd be under no legal obligation to do so for the reason given by TNXMan.
 * Cheers, Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 02:43, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the info, Adrian! <span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;font-family:Franklin Gothic Book, Calibri"> —Entropy (T/C) 21:43, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

New User Help
I published my first article today on Sam Bollier. Unfortunately, his last name came out in lower case. How do I fix it? Separately, how do I ask for help on evaluating notoriety? In my world, he is notable because he is one of the main correspondents from an Arab media outlet covering the 2012 elections in the United States. If more is needed, is there someone who can help a newbie like me out? :) -- Alohamoha 22:27, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The article was moved by GB fan earlier.  f<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">red</i>g<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">andt</i>  23:42, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Rather than "Notoriety" we need to consider a subject's Notability. A general rule-of-thumb is that if you'd not be astonished to find an entry for the subject in a paper bound Encyclopedia, then the subject is more than likely notable enough for Wikipedia.  f<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">red</i>g<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">andt</i>  23:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Sunday Sharpe... remove date of birth
Please remove my date of birth from (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Sharpe) It is causing me great grief and should not have been put on your info site in the first place!!!! My age is nobodys business!!!! it has been causing me problems with jobs! Who ever put it on has no respect for woman or privacy! please remove it! thank you!!!! very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.240.210.76 (talk • contribs) 22:44, 16 January 2012‎
 * Please note that Wikipedia is not censored, so unfortunately we are unable to remove that content from your page without violating Wikipedia policy. <span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;font-family:Franklin Gothic Book, Calibri"> —Entropy (T/C) 22:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * On the contrary. Since the date was entirely unsourced, I've removed it from the article. And Entropy, I suggest you read WP:BLP - we can, and do, remove content from Wikipedia on a regular basis. This has nothing whatsoever to do with censorship. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:56, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP does require that such information be reliably sourced, which this was not. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 23:01, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I also removed it from the Persondata template and the categories. GB fan 23:03, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Surely it's better to find sources for existing information than to just remove the information? I've re-added the birth year along with two citations. <span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;font-family:Franklin Gothic Book, Calibri"> —Entropy (T/C) 23:16, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggest you read WP:RS too. 'historyforsale.com' is hardly RS, and the other citation doesn't even seem to mention Sharpe at all. I've removed this again. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:35, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * This contentious issue should be discussed at the article's talk page from here on.  f<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">red</i>g<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">andt</i>  23:37, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The other citation does indeed mention Sharpe, as #16. Thanks for the suggestion Fred Gandt, I've started a discussion on the article's talkpage. <span style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;font-family:Franklin Gothic Book, Calibri"> —Entropy (T/C) 23:50, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Is there
some kind of wikiproject on here for translating french articles and making them here? did that sentence even make sense? :|Glacialfox (talk) 23:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Or English to French? Glacialfox (talk) 23:54, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * A good place to start.  f<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">red</i>g<i style="color:#0dd;font-size:10px;">andt</i>  23:55, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * WikiProject_Intertranswiki might be what you're looking for. RudolfRed (talk) 23:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you :D Glacialfox (talk) 00:00, 17 January 2012 (UTC)