Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 July 11

= July 11 =

Making a Wiki?
How do I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan82sm (talk • contribs) 00:23, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Do you mean creating a new article at Wikipedia? See WP:YFA for how to do that.  If you mean something else, please clarify your question.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:25, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * A wiki is a type of website powered by wiki software. All of the English Wikipedia with millions of articles is one wiki made with the MediaWiki software. Some people incorrectly use the word wiki about a single Wikipedia article. If you want to make a Wikipedia article then see WP:YFA as RudolfRed said. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:31, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Go on wikia to make wikis.--SolieLInitiative (talk) 17:25, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No you do not. Wikia is just a wiki host. I wouldn't recommend them, because of their horrible service, but try something else. Or, get your own server and set up MediaWiki. Click here to download. -- J (t)  19:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Writing an article
Where do we write an article where we don't want anyone else to edit it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soniasingh08 (talk • contribs) 02:52, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The best place is in your sandbox. You can make one by editing User:Soniasingh08/sandbox. Just bear in mind not to place copyrighted or libelous material there. Happy editing, hajat  vrc  with WikiLove @ 03:08, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * But bear in mind that if and when it transfers to the encyclopaedia's main space, it can be edited by anyone. You cannot control the content of any Wikipedia article.  Ka renjc 10:19, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * And what do you mean by "we"? Is this account Soniasingh08 being used by more than one person? -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * If you don't want anybody else to edit it ever, you write it somewhere other than Wikipedia. When you submit an edit anywhere in Wikipedia, you are accepting the line If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here. (see the bottom of the page when you are editing.
 * Having said that, as Hajatvrc implies, if you are working in your sandbox, most editors will recognise that it is a work in progress and not interfere, unless they see something serious on it like a copyright violation or a violation of the policy on biographies of living persons. --ColinFine (talk) 15:48, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

A new article
Hello, I'm writing an article about a faculty memeber at Capital Law School. The article is already done, and I'm working on citations at this point. Some of my sources are journals produced by the University. Do these qualify for my new Wikipedia article? Could you, please, take a look at the source? http://law.capital.edu/uploadedFiles/Law_Multi_Site/About/Publications/DeansReport0506.pdf Thank you. Aisupova (talk) 03:42, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can use that as a source. Though if you're referring to User:Aisupova/sandbox as the article that is "already done", I'd strongly disagree.  Dismas |(talk) 04:15, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Dismas, of course not. The sandbox was just trial and error. I basically copied text from the textbook and experimented with images. I needed to make sure that I can actually do this. The actual article is still a paper copy. But, thank you for the advice. Aisupova (talk) 04:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC) One more question. How can I erase this horrible thing that I created in the sandbox. I had no idea that anyone would be able to open this but myself. Is there a way to delete this information? I just went to the sandbox to do that, but it looks like the changes have been saved. Aisupova (talk) 04:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You can blank your sandbox page if you want to use it again (just delete all the text and save). If you want to remove the entire history, you can make a deletion request by putting  at the top if the page. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 07:21, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * To answer the unasked question, yes, anyone can edit or view your sandbox. It's just like any other page here.  The difference is that people generally don't edit other people's sandboxes because it's slightly rude.  ("rude" is a bit harsh.  Maybe "frowned upon" would be better.)  That said though, I have edited sandbox articles before though because sometimes people will put category links in their sandbox article and that puts the page in that category.  Whether they meant to or not.  So, I'll go in and just put comment tags around the categories so that the sandbox doesn't show up in the cats.  Having a history on the sandbox is a good thing too though.  If you're working on an article and then move it into the regular article space, the history will still be maintained.  So if more than one person works on a draft article which is later moved to the main article space, the attributions will be maintained in the history.  Dismas |(talk) 08:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

I would really like to delete the entire history of my sendbox. Could you, please, explain once again how that should be done. Do I type the request in the sandbox and then add  to it? Thank you.


 * is the request so it's the only thing you have to add. However, harmless junk in a sandbox history is no problem. Lots of users have it and it's basically what sandboxes are for. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:45, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Quote
When I am quoting on articles, should is use this "Test". or "Test." This is the article, it is an American show, so. TBrandley 04:06, 11 July 2012 (UTC) Thanks!


 * The WP:MOS states here that "On Wikipedia, place all punctuation marks inside the quotation marks if they are part of the quoted material and outside if they are not." For example, that whole sentence was quoted, so the period was inside it. That second link provides more detailed advice for special cases. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 04:10, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * WP:QUOTE may be of use as well. Dismas |(talk) 04:12, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * MOS:LQ is the exact link to the guideline for this topic.  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 05:19, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Some coding error
My user page has a few collapsible bars that are transcluded from a user sub-page. The collapsible bars look okay in the sub page when I use Chrome or Firefox. But, when I use Chrome, it doesn't look okay on the user page after transclusion. I have tried shifting around stuff, but they keep folding up. I am pretty sure that there is some error in my coding (which was copied from here and there). Please, take a look and let me know what I can do to fix this. Aditya (talk • contribs) 04:29, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I removed some unneeded code with unclosed tags. Does that look like you want or did the code have a purpose I missed? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:40, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you so very much. It works wonderfully. Aditya (talk • contribs) 11:37, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Rename
How Do I rename a page which has a wrong title? Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 09:51, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The page must be moved. Dismas |(talk) 09:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * You probably should start a discussion on the talk page first and get agreement. And why are you trying to become an Administrator after only 10 edits? Dougweller (talk) 10:28, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hehehe.I was just doing timepass.I thought by clicking on the page I would become an administrator.You can delete it.It was just for fun.Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 11:08, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I have deleted Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/User:Iamthewinnerofthemonth. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:14, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Contesting deletion
hi There appears to be conflicting information about how to dispute the deletion of a removed article. I created 'Austin goh prefix:Wikipedia:Deletion review' and it was immediately tagged for speedy deletion for inappropriate usage of an article. So please, tell me how do I get an article reviewed and dispute the deletion of an article with someone other than the original moderator who deleted it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kittensfoot (talk • contribs) 09:55, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Instructions can be found at WP:DELREVD. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 09:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Austin Goh has been restored. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:39, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Existing and useless account - any chance to get it?
Hi. I´m from czech wikipedia and I want existing account "Ususfructus", which is unified (I have another account there, but old and I can´t log in here). If he has no edits anywhere and also no logs from 2010, is there any chance to get this account? I think I cannot ask for usurpation, because I can´t create account with this name in czech wikipedia. (If this is not right place to ask this type of question, please tell me where I should go.) --194.213.41.2 (talk) 10:22, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * You have a good chance at usurpation. Make a request at WP:USURP. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:36, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. But can I usurp, when I cannot log in here (my account have somebody on de wiki and unified it to)? --194.213.41.2 (talk) 10:46, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm unclear about the situation of your current account. What is the username, can you log in with that at the Czech Wikipedia, and do you want edits from that account to be transferred to Ususfructus if you get the name? You may have to first make a usurp request to get the English Ususfructus renamed without taking over the name right away, and then request at the Czech Wikipedia to get your account there renamed to Ususfructus. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Now I don´t understand. I have old account "Norik" on Czech Wikipedia, don´t use it for years and at these days I find that somebody else has it on German Wikipedia. And he/she unified it, so I can log in only at Czech Wikipedia. I thought I will choose a new name, "Ususfructus", but there was the problem, I´ve explained above. What I want is to transfer my account Norik to Ususfructus, if it isn´t possible just create new on. Unfortunatelly:
 * With my account I can edit only Czech Wikipedia
 * I can´t create Ususfructus anywhere
 * You think that I can ask for usurpation, here at English Wikipedia, without being logged in? And what kind of usurpation, renaming my czech account to english Ususfructus? Or should I ask for renaming at Czech Wikipedia (to Ususfructus) first and then come here and ask for usurpation? But it is possible when Ususfructus is existing and unified account? --194.213.41.2 (talk) 12:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * http://toolserver.org/~quentinv57/sulinfo/Norik says there is no unified account. The German account has the right to unification because it has the most edits. I suggest you do this in this order: 1) Log in to cs:User:Norik and post at cs:User talk:Norik that you want renaming to Ususfructus. 2) Without logging in, make a request at WP:USURP to have User:Ususfructus renamed so you can get the name later. Link to cs:User talk:Norik in the request. 3) Wait for the request to be reviewed. 4) If the request is satisfied then request renaming of your Czech account at cs:Wikipedie:Změna uživatelského jména. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! I´ve done, what you´ve said, I hope it will be OK. Maybe you can check my reguest of usurpation? --194.213.41.2 (talk) 13:16, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's considered a SUL request but it has the needed links so just leave it as it is, and monitor it so you can answer any clarifying questions. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:38, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Problem articles
I just came across an article whose content is highly dubious - Ancient Old Jade, where most of the items (perhaps all) shown in the page look like fakes. I'm not even sure if this is a legitimate category of jade. Another page it links to is also suspect - Jade carved WuengJonq. I'm not knowledgeable on jade, so have requested help in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China to assess if this article is legitimate. There are however enough fake items (a few of them are obviously modern copies of ancient figures found and were originally made of terracotta or bronze, and never of jade) to cause me to have serious concerns that the pages may be used for fraudulent purpose. While I wait for some input about the validity of the article to see if it should be deleted, what is the right way to warn of the content of this article, and deleting the images that are obvious fakes? Hzh (talk) 11:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I know nothing about jade. But I agree that if I were in the business of selling fake jade items as real, I might create a Wikipedia article using my fakes as illustrations, in the hope of convincing customers. I would, however, take the trouble to provide a variety of backgrounds for them. Maproom (talk) 13:21, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I do strongly suspect the pages were created for the sole purpose of using wiki to give false credibility to fake items. All the images given appear to have come from a couple of users, one called Orionwebmuseum, another OrionHsu (perhaps they are the same person).  At least some of them are obvious fakes, this one for example of a servant girl holding a lamp  servant girl holding a lamp is a copy of a bronze figure discovered in a tomb - second picture, while the warrior figure is copied from figures of the Terracotta Army (these figures are never found in jade in ancient China).  Since many of the others also have similar appearance, those are also likely to be fakes.  I do think all the images need to deleted wholesale because I do think they are all done for fraudulent purpose, and proper warning needs to be given to page while this page is considered. Hzh (talk) 14:18, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * ETA - what exactly is the policy regarding users who use wiki for fraudulent purpose, and how do you deal with them? Hzh (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * See WP:HOAX. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 21:45, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hoax and fraud are not the same thing though? Hoax may be done just for fun, or it may sometimes may be malicious, but not necessarily criminal, whereas fraud is definitely criminal. There is a strong suspicion of something criminal being involved here. Hzh (talk) 22:00, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with Hzh. The current warning "The authenticity of the items in this page is suspicious, please see discussion" seems understated. Remember that potential customers, shown a Wikipedia article, may not know how to find its discussion (talk) page. I would prefer "Most or all of the items shown in this page are fakes, please see discussion" - but as I said, I know nothing about jade. Maproom (talk) 22:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Tosh
A simple fix: making two articles (Tosh, John Stewart's Daily Show) have the same data.

On the Tosh Page, John Stewart's audience is listed as 200,000. This disturbed me a bit as it made both Tosh & Colbert Report seem to be much more popular (4x - 11x): so I check and Stewart's audience is described as ca. 2,000,000 in the other article, making sense with the context of the erroneous page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.105.223.98 (talk) 12:21, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Please link articles you refer to or give exact names. I couldn't find mention of The Daily Show at Tosh.0 but I found this at Daniel Tosh: "Tosh.0 is averaging 2.2 million viewers beating The Daily Show by 200,000 viewers and The Colbert Report by 800,000 viewers." Is that what you refer to? "beating The Daily Show by 200,000 viewers" means getting 200,000 viewers more than The Daily Show. It does not mean that the Daily show has 200,000 viewers. 2,000,000 + 200,000 = 2.2 million so the articles look consistent. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:44, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

publishing
Hello,

I have just written an article, there is one reference and I am the author of it. Will it be published, or there is still something wrong? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magertainterlux (talk • contribs)


 * You created it in article space at Astra Vitkauskiene so it's already published. Whether it will be kept is uncertain. Try to add references to satisfy Notability (academics). PrimeHunter (talk) 13:51, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Citations Issues
Hi, I have a couple questions about citations. I'm using newspapers, magazines, online journals, and news articles as my sources. (1) My first question is about newspapers/magazines. I found a citation format on Wikipedia, which is an altered version of the APA style. An example is something like this: Blair, Eric Arthur (August 29, 1949). "Looking forward to a bright tomorrow." New English Weekly, p.57. Will this style be appropriate? (2) For those journals that do not have an author, the style is: "On the importance of modesty." (May 5, 1821). Pravda, pp. B1, C12. However, Wiki suggests to make the aticle title a link to the URL. How do I do that? (3) What is the right format to cite those news announced by the University? I can't find that information anywhere. (4) And finally, if I'm doing inline citations, will that suffice to enclose the citations I just described into ? I'm sorry for asking so many questions. I'm new to this and need to make sure I'm doing the right thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aisupova (talk • contribs) 13:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No need to apologise, it's great that you're checking this sort of thing. Your examples are fine, but my suggestion would be to use a citation template to make things a bit easier for you: cite web, cite news and cite journal are all likely to be useful to you. To use the templates, put them into your article like this:
 * Information needs to be cited.
 * This will create a footnote with the following:
 * You can add the various parameters (title=|, url=| etc) in any order, and the template will format the reference correctly for you. If you add url=, a link will be created automatically. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 14:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Yunshui! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aisupova (talk • contribs) 14:21, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

One more question. If I understand this correctly, I can use template after each sentence that I want to cite that in turn will create footnotes, correct? Also, will that be OK to create general references in addition to the Section titled Notes to cite additional sources? Thank you once again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aisupova (talk • contribs) 14:29, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We encourage the use of citation templates to create footnotes for specific items, not for generic "general references". The latter would fall in the "additional sources" section.-- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:10, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

unregistered user
I have edited over 300 articles as an unregistered user (based on my IP address) but my previous work does not show up even though when I joined, your E-mail system assumed (correctly) that it was me. 86.30.243.179 = DeliaVenusWynn... can I do this or can you do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deliavenuswynn (talk • contribs) 15:01, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, there is no way to do that (although there once was). -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:10, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Thomas the Tank Engine
Does this need a rollback, or should I just revert a few times?--Canoe1967 (talk) 15:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've just deleted it - not major vandalism - Arjayay (talk) 15:38, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * You don't need rollback to revert consecutive edits at the same time. You can just edit and save the last good version in the page history. See more at Help:Reverting. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:41, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks all. I have never done it before so I thought I would check before I messed it up as I have in my previous learning curves.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:01, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Using share alike images in iBooks Author
The message below was posted when I copied in your reply to me saying that it was nonsense to say that including SHARE ALIKE in an IBook made all the authors images SHARE ALIKE and not copyright protected.

kenfromUK wrote: The feedback from Wikipedia indicates that the information about Wikipedia images affecting the copyright of the images of an author in an iBook is totally false!!!!!!! I enclose the return message:-

"....................... Did you get this response from a Wikipedia executive, or is it just a reply to a question on a talk page? If the latter, all it is is a comment from any one of a hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia contributors, meaning that it might not be correct. I have myself uploaded a number of images to Wikipedia. (Of course, I had copyright on those.) Some of these images I placed into the public domain. If you want to use one of those images, go ahead. They are free to use, and you don't even have to acknowledge a source. Other images I published are under the Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license. That license states that, if you want to use my image, you must acknowledge me as a source and you must make your work available under the same license: Attribution-ShareAlike CC BY-SA This license lets others remix, tweak, and build upon your work even for commercial purposes, as long as they credit you and license their new creations under the identical terms. This license is often compared to “copyleft” free and open source software licenses. If a book contains a mixture of copyrighted images and Attribution-ShareAlike images, I expect that the book cannot be published under an Attribution-ShareAlike license because it's not possible to simply give away the copyright to a copyrighted image: one license requries you to allow others to freely re-use your book, whereas, for the copyrighted images in your book, you presumably have permission to use those images specifically in your book only, so the two licenses are in conflict. The ShareAlike license makes some exceptions for works that are deemed "collections." However, my reading suggests that, if you include an Attribution-ShareAlike licensed image in a book, that does not make the book a "collection." Also note that, if you include an Attribution-ShareAlike licensed image in a book, it looks like you cannot sell that book with DRM: When You Distribute or Publicly Perform the Work, You may not impose any effective technological measures on the Work that restrict the ability of a recipient of the Work from You to exercise the rights granted to that recipient under the terms of the License. The DRM interferes with the free re-use of the work, and so violates the ShareAlike license. Licenses such as ShareAlike have their roots in the eighties, with the Copyleft licensing. The idea of copyleft is to say "We give you something to use. You can use it to create your own stuff, but only if you make what you create available for others too." Now, please, take all of the above with a grain of salt. I'm not a legal expert. If you have any doubt about the consequences of including an image in your book, I strongly recommend that you consult a copyright expert, particularly if your book includes images that use different licenses. Michi .............

He casts doubts on the knowledge of the person from the Wikipedia forum. This issue is of great importance to me and to other authors who are writing books and textbooks in iBooks author. He suggests that a reply from a employee of Wikipedia is needed. I am not sure if the reply was from such a person - the comments certainly sounded as though they were. Could someone from Wikipedia reply to this message please so that the issue is clarified and the situation does not rumble on with claim and counter claim! Thanks, Ken — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.26.13 (talk) 16:52, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We cannot provide you legal advice. Interpreting how the license would apply to your fact pattern is a complex legal question and you should ask it to an Attorney licensed to practice in your jurisdiction. What you can and cannot do with material once it leaves Wikipedia is also beyond the scope of the help desk. Monty  845  17:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Not to give any legal advice but... I am confused. Does the iBook software somehow only allow one license for the whole book? As far as I know with other paper books the images each have there own license. They can be tagged at the image or licenses listed at the back of the book. I can't see how putting one share-alike image in a book alters the license on the other images unless the software does it somehow. You may wish to speak to a digital copyright lawyer or an iBook technician depending on which case it is.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * And yes, replies here are from other users, not from Wikipedia's (bare handful of) paid employees. We do our best to help, but like Wikipedia itself,  our function is to provide answers supported by citations to reliable external sources.  We're not a substitute for expert professional opinion on highly specialist issues, although we do have some seriously clued-up people helping out here.  And no, a reply from an employee of Wikipedia wouldn't carry any more weight on this issue, unless they were also an expert on copyright law, and how could you tell?  -  86.153.82.165 (talk) 22:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Sort order problem
Is there any way to get consistent sorting results for entries with the same value in a sortable table column? Take the Players table in this article for example: Sort any of the columns with numerical values and compare it with the "Cap" column; keep sorting the same column over and over again, observing the pattern of the "Cap" column (ex: The top results for batting HS goes 2, 37, 2, 27, 2, 41, 2, 32...) I know that this can be fixed by assigning appropriate sort values in the template sort, but this is going to be quite tedious for columns with entries that have dozens of similar values. Is there a simpler way of doing this? Perhaps using a different template? Thanks in advance. A STRONOMYINERTI A ( TALK ) 17:15, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Try asking at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:38, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Infobox CPU now broke in IE compatibility mode
FYI, I think something has broken in low-level creation of some web pages. I just now notice the infoboxes are too tall on STM32, when "compatibility mode" in enabled in IE 9 v9.0.8112.16421 (64-bit). I did a Ctrl-F5 to clear my local cache, but it still did it. I noticed that "compatibility mode" was enabled, so I disabled it. I think I've had "compatibility mode" enabled for a long time and I never saw this problem when I created the STM32 article, nor did it exist when I lasted edit the article on July 6. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  17:42, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I found the bottom info box too wide. I removed an extra space from the info box template. Is that what was causing the problem?--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, it appears to be correct now for the STM32 article. I'm not sure if any other articles were affected?  Thanks!  •  Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  21:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

You are very welcome. I will mark this as resolved for now.
 * --Canoe1967 (talk) 23:25, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Help with my troutme template
I created a group of templates similar to Template:Trout, Template:Troutme/preload and Template:Trout me. They are User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:NFCC zealot, User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:NFCC zealot/preload and User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:NFCCZ. How can I achieve that User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:NFCCZ is being substituted and not transcluded onto my talkpage when someone clicks on the small square button in the top right corner of my talkpage? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 17:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It was the name space designator, 3 is usertalk, 2 is user. I changed it for you. Monty  845  18:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, however when I click the icon and preview the page, I still see in the edit window. How can I achieve that I will see  ? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 18:12, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahh sorry, I misunderstood what you were looking for. To the best of my knowledge, you can't get a preload to load without including additional code that the editor will need to manually remove. For instance, for WP:ACE we used Arbitration Committee Elections December 2010/Candidates/Preloader/Statement as a preload, but the candidate needed to remove the comment codes. Sorry I couldn't be more help, but if you ever do find a way, let me know as it would be handy to know.  Monty  845  20:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Alteration of message left on talk page...
Let's say that I left a message on the talk page of user:zpzpzp that says "I'd like to discuss the future of article ..." and signs it. user:zpzpzp changes the text to say "I like to perform acts on little boys" and leaves it with my signature. While theoretically a user has complete control over their talk page, I feel uncomfortable with the alternation left with my name. Note, at the rate things are going said user will likely be banned within the month (due to specific continued editwarring removal of a referenced fact), so I can just change it then, but I'd like to know what would be appropriate in the mean time.Naraht (talk) 18:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That is clearly inappropriate. And editor is free to remove comments from their talk page, but normal comment editing rules apply if they leave parts of your signed comment. I would revert them and leave them an NPA warning with an invitation to either leave the comment alone or remove the whole thing. Monty  845  18:08, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, it is inappropriate, simply change it back (he's currently blocked for a while) or take some other measure?Naraht (talk) 18:11, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If already blocked, just change it back. If they keep doing it while blocked find an admin to revoke talk page access. Monty  845  20:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Given that he is already in what I think of as the block to ban spiral, eventually it won't make a difference...Naraht (talk) 21:11, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

A-Class
How do you nominate an article for A-class status? Thanks, TBrandley 18:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * See Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/A-Class criteria (section "Basic method"). benzband  ( talk ) 20:12, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Proper procedure for submitting an entry with COI issues.
Hi All. Main question: Where do we post our sandbox article for feedback?

I'd like to submit an entry for a long established artist. However he is a family member. We've composed the article from a variety of sources, mainly his official biography, as well as numerous magazine articles and news clippings over the last 60 years. We've taken a large amount of material and given it to a 3rd party to create a more abridged version; which hopefully is ideal for a start as a Wikipedia article.

I realized some might say that if he was important enough to be in Wikipedia other would create an article about him. I'm not sure how to answer that. I know people have been trying to look up entries for him, and I know he is firmly established. There are many thousands of artists of probably lesser stature on Wikipedia. We'd very much believe he should be on Wikipedia too.

From everything I've read it looks like there is no way to avoid Conflict of Interests issues when writing any article, as someone must have some kind of vested interest to do so. But I read through everything I can to make sure to avoid COI issues as much as possible, and it seems the main way to absolve a COI 'infringement' is to state directly in the talk pages that there is a COI issue up front.

Basically the article is ready for submission. But I tabled the project for a while I forget what step to take now. We have the article in an associate's sandbox. I can move it over to my sandbox if that makes things easier. And I guess we're ready to submit it to some kind of peer review. I think a 'formal' peer review on Wikipedia is meant to be requested for major articles, which I don't think this would be. But we'd like to have some of the community input before publishing it. So for now I'm wondering what to go next in the process? I.e., where do we post our sandbox article for others feedback? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegallery (talk • contribs) 18:06, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * A good first move is to declare the conflict of interest on your user page, so no one can accuse you of trying to hide your affiliation. If you believe the article is good enough to be published, I'd recommend going ahead and putting it up. Perhaps include a notice on the talk page that you were the originator of the article and that people should be aware of your connection to the subject.


 * Conflict of interest does not prohibit users from editing on a given topic, but it places extra scrutiny on their edits. If your article is good, have faith that it will be kept. Once you have declared your COI and tried to avoid being partial, the onus is on the other editors to demonstrate that you edited in a biased way. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  20:29, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Is zeekrewards company good mlm company?
please give full details about zeekrewards.com website may i join that company? may i invest zeekrewards or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.110.172.151 (talk) 18:14, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We do not give financial or legal advice here. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:18, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally (I am speaking for myself, not for Wikipedia) I believe there is no such thing as a "good mlm company". They are all scams. Of course, you will be told otherwise by people who have paid money to them and are now trying to earn some of it back. Maproom (talk) 20:15, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Update Please about Brixton Karnes
Hello. I have recently looked up the actor from TKR, and sadly the information is a bit out of date. May someone please update the information!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.53.59.117 (talk) 18:45, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Since you seem to know that the information is out of date, why not be bold and update it yourself? Just remember to cite all changes!   Gold   Standard  19:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Article feedback tool
How do i activate AFT on the GlaxoSmithKline page? 18:48, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Scroll down to the bottom. Gold   Standard  19:01, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It shows a rating tool.I want a tool with which I can comment about the article. 19:04, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you thinking of AFT5? If so, it hasn't been released yet, I believe.  Gold   Standard  19:07, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Why?? I can see it on the bottom of Justin Bieber page. Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 19:09, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It is being slowly released, first to just a small percentage of pages, then eventually to all of them.  Gold   Standard  19:11, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Great, by the way, why my IP address showed up in the comments above? Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 19:12, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Beats me, you must have been logged out when you posted them. Gold   Standard  19:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Nope, See the comments of mine in the section below.I had commented at 18:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC) being shown as user.while I commented in this section at 19:09, 11 July 2012 (UTC)..with showing my IP.What's that? a glitch? Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 19:16, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Dunno.  Gold   Standard  19:16, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * What dunno? Wikipedia had written that create an account to conceal your privacy..and now showing up my IP address here publicly.What's the deal? WHAT ABOUT MY PRIVACY?. Delete my IP information now.I am very concerned about my privacy.Please. Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 19:19, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You can be bold and delete it yourself. Gold   Standard  19:22, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * What abt deleting it from history section above left corner? I can see it there.Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 19:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You cannot do that and neither can I. Btw, it looks to me like you logged in after your first post, then after a few posts you accidentally logged out, then posted, then logged back in again.   Gold   Standard  19:30, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If you say so.Then I think that would have had happened.But I really want to conceal my identity.Please call the manager or the owner of any one having privilege to delete it. Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 19:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I do not know the phone number of the owner. Gold   Standard  19:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not joking ok.Wikipedia don't have any authorized people to do it? I am serious about this, you son of a bitch. Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 19:36, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware that this existed until it was posted below: WP:RFO. Also, I would warn you about cursing, but you're leaving Wikipedia so you probably wouldn't care.   Gold   Standard  19:37, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Calling people names won't help you much. This is a volunteer project and volunteers don't normally want to help those who cuss them out. You'll need an admin to redact those edits from the history. Dismas |(talk) 19:38, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * @Gold Standard sorry, for that.but, you started it by making fun of mine.Sorry again.I'm confused now.Contact whom? Administrators or Oversight? Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 19:41, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I was not making fun of you. You asked me to call the owner, and I do not have his phone number, so I am unable to.  And I'm fairly sure you need to contact an oversighter.   Gold   Standard  19:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Besides which, the owner (if that's even the proper term in this situation) of Wikipedia is the Wikimedia Foundation. Calling them for this would be like calling the President of the US for a dog license violation.  Dismas |(talk) 19:46, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * What he said^ Gold   Standard  19:49, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * It's Okay.How the hack I am used to know all this things? I don't know anything about this project, so I thought that you are an employ of Encyclopedia.By the way, I went through the list but can't decide whom I should contact on the talkpage.Could you please suggest me one, who is active now-a-days ? Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 19:49, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You can use this form Gold   Standard  19:52, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Pal, I don't use e-mail, so can't.(I used it once, but I forgot password). I want to contact them directly at talkpage.Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 19:55, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Here is a list of oversighters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/suppress Gold   Standard  19:57, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for your help, but I think that you might not have read my comments above.I went through the list you above mentioned, but can't decide whom to contact.Could you please suggest one who is active now-a-days? Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 19:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I cannot, because I don't keep in contact with them, but feel free to go through their contribs and find out for yourself.  Gold   Standard  20:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Beeblebrox has edits from today. So they are still active.  I've dealt with them in the past, if I'm not mistaken, and they were helpful from what I recall.  Dismas |(talk) 20:03, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've emailed oversight. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:06, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ...and it's already been hidden. The volunteers watching for oversight emails are really on the ball! -- John of Reading (talk) 20:16, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very very very much for such quick respose.Long live Wikipedia.By the way, Could you tell me the name of the person who done such nice act? I need a little help from him. Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 20:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Although I received an email reply from the oversighter responsible, it's signed with only a forename not a Wikipedia name, so I can't think of a way for you to contact him. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:00, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

My account.
Hello, I had created this account to save sitewide books of some of my articles which were required for college project.I have ordered an printed version of my custom book.Now, my task is done and I don't require this account anymore.Therefore, I am requesting you to delete my account.Thanks.Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 18:51, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We don't delete accounts here. Your account just stays dormant until either you come back or someone legitimately takes over the user name per WP:USURP. I would just post a note on your talk page that you won't be using it any more. Valenciano (talk) 18:55, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Account name: User: Iamthewinnerofthemonth Password: Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 18:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's okay.I am giving my password here so anyone who wants to use the name could be able to use it.
 * It's really not a good idea to post your password here. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:03, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Why? My username is good one and a humors at the same time.Anybody who is interested in getting this username, could open the account and change the password for them to use this account for them.I don't have many contributions, too.
 * The rule here is that each account should be controlled by one person (WP:NOSHARE). -- John of Reading (talk) 19:15, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I am stopping my account.So, the person who takes over it and changes password will be SINGLE holder of the account.Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 19:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That is not the way to go about it. As I say we have probably millions of disused/dormant accounts here, it's no big deal. I would simply just leave, though you can put a note on your talk page that you won't use it any more and therefore it is available for WP:USURP in the unlikely event anyone wants that user name. Posting passwords etc is a bad idea. Valenciano (talk) 19:23, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that.I wasn't aware of it.But deleting it help any better, as I can access my IP address from "history" section above right corner. Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 19:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You can ask at Requests for oversight to have your IP address hidden from the history. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * You have the right to WP:VANISH. Dismas |(talk) 19:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Can't edit a lead
How do I notify a spelling error in a lead? It doesn't have an edit option. The page in question is Society of Biology and the word "education" is misspelled on the second line. Regards, Sandy — Preceding unsigned comment added by SandyTheScientist (talk • contribs) 18:57, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Click the "edit" button next to "view history" in the top right. Gold   Standard  19:00, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The spelling mistake has been fixed. benzband  ( talk ) 19:57, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I usually just use the edit tab for the whole article. Britmax (talk) 20:14, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Or press Alte (which I personally use). Most probably there is/was an option in Special:Preferences which add an edit link for lead section, I can not find this at this moment! -- Tito Dutta  ✉  20:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's on the "Gadgets" tab under "Appearance". -- John of Reading (talk) 20:50, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Oops
I have accidently deleted all of the information for film director Gil Green in 2011. Can you please restore it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.116.153.127 (talk) 19:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * It's been fixed. benzband  ( talk ) 19:55, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Editing glitches
Lately I have encountered a glitch when I use the edit toolbar. (I usually use the standard one, not the advanced one.) If I hit "cite," I get the regular menu of buttons so I can choose which form to fill out. However, I am not able to actually insert the citation once I hit "insert." On the advanced toolbar, I have noticed a similar problem, although the "preview" function allows me to copy+paste the Wikimarkup that would be necessary &mdash; a feature which the standard toolbar does not have. I am also having this problem when I try to insert something using the bar beneath the editing space (the one with symbols and foreign language characters). When I try to insert an 'm dash,' for example, clicking that symbol just takes me to the top of the page without inserting the character. What might be causing these problems? -- Jprg1966  (talk)  20:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Try a skin reset: Under, change your skin to anything else, save and set it back. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 21:41, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Sending and receiving messages on msn
i am cracking up as ime not getting any help at all it is so simple all i want to know is how do i send and receive messages on msn if there is nothing showing up to send or receive no icon

is no — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.103.160.13 (talk) 20:08, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This page is for help using Wikipedia.  Gold   Standard  20:11, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:45, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Show more fields in cite web references!
For last few days Show more fields in cite web references is not working for me, also "restore this version" of Twinkle! Is it a known issue? I am using FF 11.0 in Ubuntu 11.10, with lots of userscripts, extensions (but nothing changed (removed/added/updated) in last few weeks)! -- Tito Dutta  ✉  20:29, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Try a skin reset: Under, change your skin to anything else, save and set it back. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 21:40, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Juston R Graber
If my name is googled wiki has a page linked to it entitled Operation Iron Triangle where you clearly state that I executed and Iraqi. This information is incorrect and it has prevented me from obtaining employment. You need to get your facts straight before posting things about individuals. I carried out a mercy killing after running up on the aftermath when Clagget and Hunsaker unjustly shot the detainees after cutting their zip ties and telling them to run. I called for the medic because one guy was puking profuse dark red blood and another guy was taking a breath every few seconds. When the medic came to check on the two individuals, the iraqi man who was puking blood had already died. The medic checked other man and said nothing could be done for him. SSG Girourd looked at me and said to put him out of his misery to which I did not take as an order and felt it was the humane thing to do considering the circumstances. -- signed by 67.240.178.228, this notice left by Jprg1966   (talk)

Get the facts right or I will be forced to take another avenue in order to rectify this issue. I have been fighting back and forth via email messages with you people and any time I try to change the story it is changed back.
 * See WP:No legal threats. Note that we can not use your firsthand account as a source because we require all cited sources to be at the very least secondary sources in order to avoid embellishment. Your beef is more with the sources being cited, not us. — Jeremy  v^_^v  Bori! 20:41, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry this has caused you distress, but Wikipedia is not an original source for information. The information you are disputing comes from a New York Times article, which is considered a reliable source by Wikipedia. Material that is harmful to an individual's employment prospects can only be removed if it is unsourced (as this would be libel). If you think the article is incomplete, find a reliable source that corroborates your interpretation of the events. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  20:44, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia
What's relationship between original and the above one? Iamthewinnerofthemonth (talk) 20:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Everything on Nostalgia Wikipedia is from December 20, 2001. See nostalgia:Wikipedia:About. - Purplewowies (talk) 21:06, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Translate caption in French
Could a French speaker put the photo caption on this page into English please? Thanks.--Shantavira|feed me 21:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Jac16888 has already done it. Maproom (talk) 21:30, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Cos I'm just that damn good ;)-- Jac 16888 Talk 21:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Source classification
Hello, I'm using this source http://law.capital.edu/uploadedFiles/Law_Multi_Site/About/Publications/DeansReport0506.pdf to create an article on Wiki. Could you, please, tell me how should I classify it. Is that a journal or rather a web page? I'm using templates for inline citations, so it is important. Thank you. Aisupova (talk) 21:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Does anyone know the answer to this question? Aisupova (talk) 22:19, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a printed publication that has been placed online in PDF form, so a template for a printed source with a space for the URL would probably be most appropriate. cite book probably contains fields you can use, or just the generic citation. -  Ka renjc 07:17, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

em to px conversion
Is it possible to convert em to px using a template?--Jsjsjs1111 (talk) 21:31, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * But the conversion must depend on the user's font setting, and a template can't know that. Maproom (talk) 21:38, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Remove "updated since last visit" from history pages?
Is there a way I can remove that type of notice from history pages? - Purplewowies (talk) 21:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Add this to Special:Mypage/common.css:

span.updatedmarker{display:none;}
 * PrimeHunter (talk) 21:44, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Bad faith nominations
Hello

There is a guy called user:Banimustafa keeps making fake cases to attack me and to prevent his own editing being examined.

I had a disputation with him about the content of article Jerash, and it was solved by DRN (look here please). But he didn't like the way it was solved, he just want to force his point of view.

Now everyone who tries to edit any page of the pages he watch, he always accuse him/her it is a sock puppet of me!!!

I would like to note that user:Banimustafa has been blocked for sockpuppetry (Sockpuppet investigations/Banimustafa/Archive) and Banimustafa has accused me of sockpuppetry (Sockpuppet investigations/Historyfeelings/Archive), an accusation that did not result in a determination that the accusation is true. And he keep accusing me of sockpuppetry until now with same words same circumstances.

Banimustafa has a history of vandalisim; user:Wakwakwiki is a banned sockpuppet of Banimustafa, who has his own history of blocks user:soufray is a banned souckpuppet of Banimustafa.

recently he used a new sockpuppet called: user:Amb04 to nominate an article I edit called Ayasrah and here I would like to point out that Banimustafa is under restrictions of only having one account (see Bwilkins' comment here), but the Sockpuppet investigations shows that he really use a sockpuppet but unfortunately no action taken.

Kindly have a look at his contributions, he even uses same templates in my user page!!

what should I do? thanks a lot.--  HF  ► 21:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it, you might want to take this to ANI.  Gold   Standard  01:28, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The user trying to shop for adminstrators to support his dispute with me. This is completely unfair as he presents his pointview to adminstrators who are not aware of the history of the dispute and try to play innocent, while he continues his "bad faith" accusations against me. The user:Historyfeelings has been blocked several times and was banned for his unlawful practices as shown here. The user unblocking conditions bannes him from accusing me of vandalism, however he continues with these unlawfull accusations as shown above. He is also banned from using multiple accounts and IP addresses. Please review his unblocking conditions here. The user keeps making "bad faith" accusations against me and he continued his sockpeppetry which he repeated so far, more than ten times using 8 different IP addresses and 2 diffirent user names in order to influnce the relevant discussions (Please check here). The user has been blocked for adminstrators shopping as shown here; however he continues doing that. Banimustafa (talk) 22:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Multiple Pages from the Same Source
The article I'm working on has many sources. However, I've been using about 6 or 7 pages of each source. I'm planning on using inline citations and templates. Considering the number of times each source is repeated, will that be OK to continue that way and ingnore short citations? Thank you. Aisupova (talk) 23:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, no one can make you do more than you're willing or able to do, but if you have the sources available, you could indicate the pages commented out next to the reference so that someone comfortable with doing so can refine the reference. Commenting out would code like: . Alternately, you could post the info to the article talk page, but reference numbers change over time and content gets re-organized, so that leaves a mess for someone to untangle if it waits too long. Dru of Id (talk) 03:35, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Navy and Marine Corps Medal
I was awarded the Navy Marine Corp medal but do not see mine. I have the certificate how to get it posted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlcatcdog10 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Unless there's a Wikipedia biography article about you, you don't. Such lists, other than the highest award level for each nation, are meant to be lists of Wikipedia articles which are referenced as being awardees, not comprehensive lists of every awardee. If there is a Wikipedia article about you, find a Reliable Source (RS) which has the information correct, and post the reference to either the biography or list article's talk page, with your request. Dru of Id (talk) 01:29, 12 July 2012 (UTC)