Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 July 15

= July 15 =

Help finding picture for page.
Hello,

I am in need of a website where I can get a picture that meets wikipedias copyright standards for the comedian, Tom Cotter.

The following is the page for which I need the picture:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cotter_(comedian)

If someone could either add a picture themself to Tom Cotter's page, OR give me a good website which has a good picure of Tom Cotter it would be much appreciated.

Thanks, 01:15, 15 July 2012 (UTC)01:15, 15 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChristianMartin0624 (talk • contribs)


 * You could ask Tom or his agents to donate a photo with the correct licencing for Wikipedia to use it. There's a link on his web site.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * It is very unlikely that you will find a photo of him anywhere on the web that meets Wikipedia's constraints. --ColinFine (talk) 17:44, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS has the how to. It can get wierd though. First you need a file name after you upload the image that the BLP wants. Then the copyright holder sends an email with the file name. Commons may be best if they want the image used for other language wikipedias. The BLP maintains personality rights so it is hard for anyone to sell stuff and use his image. The copyright holder has to allow other uses but can legally require 'attribution' to himself as the original creator.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:14, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I directly contacted him, and got a picture. Again, thanks for the help.

wrong photo uploaded by third user!
My name is Liliana Arrieta, (user Lairol) I'm a grand-daughter of General Domingo Arrieta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domingo_Arrieta_Le%C3%B3n

This photo uploaded by user User "Tatehuari" on 03/15/2007 is WRONG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Domingo_Arrieta.JPG

This is the REAL: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:Domingo_arrieta.jpg

Could you please help me to change the wrong by the real one? I can upload more pictures of the REAL General Domingo Arrieta if you feel hesitant of my request. Thank you very much in advance.

Regards,

Liliana Arrieta — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lairol (talk • contribs) 04:16, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks very much to me like two photographs of the same person, but taken 20 years apart. In any event, the photograph you point at as the correct one has very good provenance, being from the collection of the Library of Congress, and is a much cleaner photograph than the one in the article, so I have replaced it. By the way, normally a request like yours should be made at the Spanish Wikipedia (their help desk is here). This help desk is generally for English Wikipedia issues . Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:56, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * It appears to me the concern is about the article here at the English Wikipedia, based on the first two links in the post. Why is this a Spanish Wikipedia issue?  RudolfRed (talk) 16:57, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Good catch, my mistake editing while tired . When I navigated to the photo link it is to the local display on the Spanish Wikipedia of the image in Commons I saw only the what links here link, which was to the Spanish Wikipedia article (which I fixed). I never noticed the local link here:-( I've fixed that as well.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:31, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

life insurance
After paying three regular ins. premiums, two different policy holders finds that both of them are declared illegal policy holders on the strength of their signatures as their original signatures are not available anywhere in the records of the insurance co & the proposal of both the policy holders were signed by some one unknown person. In other words, two different policy proposals are signed by one person other then the actual policy holders. Can you pl advise what are the legal rights of both the actual policy holders. Can they demand insurance co. to declare both the policies as NULL & VOID and claim the full amount of premiums they have paid ? Of course, the claim will be submitted only after confirmation that both the proposals were signed by one person other then any of the actual policy holders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.49.66.238 (talk) 05:10, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Legal no.png We cannot offer legal advice. Please see the legal disclaimer. Contact a lawyer. - Purplewowies (talk) 05:39, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Citing a researcher by name?
When reporting a statement of fact based on cited research, is it preferred or not to qualify the statement with the researcher's name/affiliation? For example, does Wikipedia prefer statements such as "The research of Dr Smith at Foobar St University shows that giraffes are on average 18 feet tall" vs simply "giraffes are on average 18 feet tall"? (With each statement followed by, of course.) 71.185.49.67 (talk) 11:36, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * In a stub article, citing the researcher by name might unbalance the article, and I would only recommend doing so if it were a new discovery (5th moon of Pluto), or doing so allowed hyperlink to the researcher's article, otherwise the info and hyperlinked university should suffice. In a medium article I'd follow the format of the rest of the article, and in a lengthy article I'd only include the new discovery information, unless a split seemed imminent. Dru of Id (talk) 12:55, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If Dr. Smith has an article on WP and is widely acknowlged to be one of the world's top giraffe experts it is probably ok to mention and wikilink him specifically. Otherwise just a plain statement will do. Roger (talk) 13:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * If it's not a simple uncontroversial statement like the height of giraffes then it's often good to write who said it. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:54, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Non-free manga cover
In an article about a manga series, I want to replace the current non-free image in the infobox with another non-free image I think is more appropriate. Should I be bold and make this change or should I discuss this first? I ask this mainly because both images are non-free and replacing the current image with the one I want to use in the article would result in the current images deletion after 7 days. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 12:34, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If it is a better image you could try changing it. If it is reverted then you have 7 days to reach consensus on which should be used.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:00, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It is better in the sense that it is the actual image of the manga cover, while the image currently used seems to be the cover of a DVD. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 12:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

About my new article "Lordkipanidze Revaz"
Sincerely Dear Help Desk, I'm Your new colleague, and I don't want to make a bad article for technical reasons. Please complete the improvement of this article, If it is necessary. Please, reply me: when will finish of publication of my article?. I believe You completely and pray for Your HAPPY future and popularization of significant relations and cooperation.--Lia Palavandishvili (talk) 09:00, 15 July 2012 (UTC) Talk:Lordkipanidze Revaz From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Sincerely Dear Administrators, I'm Your new colleague, and I don't want to make a bad article for technical reasons. Please complete the improvement of this article. I believe You completely and pray for Your HAPPY future and popularization of significant relations and cooperation.--Lia Palavandishvili (talk) 09:00, 15 July 2012 (UTC) Lordkipanidze Revaz From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article includes inline citations, but they are not properly formatted. Please improve this article by correcting them. Lordkipanidze Revaz (was born 1965, 7 Jan., Georgia, Batumi) is Georgian economist, Doctor of Economics and World Economy, Gold Medalist. Revaz Lordkipanidze graduated Tbilisi State University with Honored Diploma (1986) and Georgian AS Institute of Economy and Law (1990), St. Petersburg State University with diploma of doctor (1998–1999), was member of The Academy of Political Sciences (NY, USA) with certificate (1998–2010), winner in first Democratic choice of Georgia in center of the sea capital of Georgia - Batumi, acting minister of Economy of Achara AR (1993–1998), with successfully certify EU TACIS Project (Cleaner production, 2003), University of Minnesota (The USA, Training program, 2011). He is in Georgian Economic encyclopedia as young economic doctor. Revaz Lordkipanidze is author of publications about American role in World Progress and new World economical structure [1], stabilization of finance [2], etc. For practice of Intermoney system optimal stimulation and Macroeconomic structure marginal efficiency, R. Lordkipanidze defines The Force of economic competition approximately as The Force of electrical current. By this Law, the less are output of monopoly and excess (disquality or needless) production, the more is the force of competition. By R. Lordkipanidze's Formulation for development of EU formulate of effective ecostructural changes in operative ecopolicy E= ∑ [(Eio+Eit)/2]Δai; i=1;2;…;n

E – Effectiveness of ecostructural changes in t time; Eio – Effectiveness of i element of structure for start of t time; Eit – Effectiveness of i element of structure for finish of t time; Δai – percent change (:100) of i element of used resource's structure in t time; i=1;2;…;n – element of structure (branch, region or age group of technique, etc.).

This formulation of R. Lordkipanidze has different interpretations in conditions of crisis and if E≥0.[3]

Revaz Lordkipanidze is author of Christian Chants.[4]

[edit]References

^ 1 ^ 2 ^ 3 ^ 4 Literature: 1. Information about Revaz Lordkipanidze - Encyclopedic Dictionary of Economics (in Georgian), under the editorship of Corresponding Member of Georgian Academy of Sciences, prof. A. Silagadze, Tbilisi, Tbilisi State University Publishing House, Publishing House "Innovation", 2005, P. 377.--Lia Palavandishvili (talk) 13:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, there are three things I will say.
 * 1. It would be best if you could submit this to the Articles for Creation page.
 * 2. From this post, I believe your first language is not English. Based on the person you are writing about, I guess your first language is Georgian, so your contributions would be welcome at the Georgian Wikipedia.
 * 3. What are these "technical reasons" you speak of? Do you know or are you connected to the subject?  Andie  ''  ▶(Candy)◀  15:56, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The text here is a copy+paste of the text from Lordkipanidze Revaz. I think it needs cleanup by someone fluent in both Georgian and English. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:44, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The text here is a copy+paste of the text from Lordkipanidze Revaz. I think it needs cleanup by someone fluent in both Georgian and English. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:44, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Katya Bachrouche
Katya Bachrouche attended North Farmington High School in Farmington Hills, Michigan (not Virginia as stated in Wikipedia). She graduated from the University of Virginia in 2011 with a degree in Psychology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.164.125.11 (talk) 16:23, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Changed Rojomoke (talk) 16:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Top-importance articles disappearing
You can see in old page version that in the recent weeks I have changed 6 articles to top-importance. All of the articles appear at Category:Top-importance Chicago articles. This page version from before I added the six articles there were 52 top importance articles. There are currently only 54 top-importance articles according to Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Chicago articles by quality statistics. What has happened to the other four?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:22, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks like someone just updated the assessment list today. The bot that updates it runs slowly, but it can be forced to run at any time by following the links located here and selecting "Chicago" (in this case) from the drop-down menu. The current total is 59, though, and I can see from the edit history that it was just recently updated. -Thibbs (talk) 00:02, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Request comment
I'd like to request comment on automated edits I've made, (this was requested by the Warriors Wikia in Special:Chat) - are these fine? WarriorsWTransfer (talk) 18:06, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Special:Contributions/WarriorsWTransfer
 * I am afraid they weren't fine, those articles weren't notable and were all deleted under the WP:CSD speedy deletion criteria. Please do not recreate such articles in the future. Addi  hockey  10  e-mail 18:19, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Easy way to draw people to a discussion?
I proposed a split to an article two and a half months ago, and nobody has made any sort of comment on it. Is there an easy way to draw people to discuss about it (beyond the tag that's already on the article itself)? - Purplewowies (talk) 18:22, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * What is the article in question? If there is a WikiProject into the scope of which the article might fall, perhaps try to ask there. You could also start an RfC about it. I found we have Proposed mergers and Proposed splits redirects there. I never used proposed mergers myself and I don't know whether it should also be used for splits. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 18:39, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sociological and cultural aspects of autism - Purplewowies (talk) 18:46, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Given that the topic of the article (and of the proposed new articles after the split) are very specialized, I don't expect much people would have an opinion on the split. My advice would be, go to the page history of the article and look for people who contributed a lot to the article and drop them a message on their talk page asking for input on the split. User:SandyGeorgia seems to be a main contributor from what I could see from a quick look at the history. Apart from that, I'd try the venues I mentioned above. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 19:02, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

facebook and group site that are causing vilontce against an individual
I have on a number of occations reported groups that are making up things against an individual these groups are causing riots due to the things they are putting on the site about this person that is not true they call him a peadophile which is fulse invormation what do I do next — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.137.226 (talk) 18:34, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Unless this has something to do with Wikipedia, it is not something we can help with. If there is a connection to Wikipedia, please explain it, otherwise sorry we could not help. Monty  845  18:40, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I would assume that facebook has a webmaster, contact email, and some sort of BLP policy. You could try those. If it is wikipedia then ask for page protection?--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:55, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Move articles to talk page.
Recently I had to prune an extremely large article. It was so large that making any edit at all was locking my browser. In order to make the edits, I split the article into sub article and edited those. Having used the sub articles to re-create the original (now pruned), I would like to retain the split articles for reference (so that other editors can re-instate material if they think I went to far for example). Since the articles were created by me and have not been signaficantly edited I would be within my rights to sppedily delete them. Would I be within my rights to move them to sub talk pages of the main article (with hind sight, this is what I should have done in the first place). One of the articles is under a deletion discussion and it looks like concensus is going to be to delete. Op47 (talk) 18:44, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It would help if we knew what pages you mean. Are you referring to August 2010 in sports?  Nyttend (talk) 19:34, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I am indeed referring to August 2010 in sports. So e.g. for the cricket sub article I want to move it to a page talk:August 2010 in sports/Cricket (or whatever the correct syntax is) and link it from the talk page. Is this allowed?
 * I would say no, but for the cricket article click here: User:Op47/August 2010 in sports/Cricket. Then substitute the name of each sport for any other articles you want to create, such as User:Op47/August 2010 in sports/Football.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:26, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic
I was just reading your article on chiropractic which seemed to be pretty well-informed. I was a little thrown, though, by the last sentence in the Intro (or first) section: "A systematic review found that the risk of death from manipulations to the neck outweighs the benefits.[35]"

I have been to a chiropractor several times over the years and always had amazing results, as have my friends/family that referred me. I found this sentence a little scary (like if I was reading this article for the first time prior to seeking chiropractic treatment, I might think twice) so read the article cited to justify this sentence: Deaths after Chiropractic: A review of published cases. The article actually states that there have been a total of 26 reported cases of death from chiropractic since 1934 (that's 26 deaths in 78 years of published data). Also, there were only 10 cases where the death occurred within one day of the treatment--the article states that the rest of the fatalities occurred up to 58 days following the treatment (not sure how linked the two can be with this amount of time--almost 2 months--passing between treatment and death).

I'm writing to Wiki to see if this sentence can't be deleted from the posted article...it seems really misleading to me and I know a lot of people read Wiki to get basic info on a subject and I would hate anyone else to be thrown by such a misleading sentence when the rest of the article seemed so well informed/impartial.

Ab9735 (talk) 18:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Matters like this belong on the article's talk page, not at the Help Desk. For that reason, I've copied your comments to Talk:Chiropractic; you can find them (along with any responses) in the section of that page called "Copied from the Help Desk".  Nyttend (talk) 19:33, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Delete a redirect:File:The Legend of the Condor Heroes (cover).jpg
Hi, can anyone delete the file redirect of the renamed file File:The Legend of the Condor Heroes (cover).jpg? Thanks.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 19:57, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Unless it qualifies for Speedy Delete, you should post the request at WP:RfD RudolfRed (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

The redirect is and Neo now knows the procedure. Marking this as resolved. BigNate37(T) 03:24, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

paragraph numbering
To Wikipedia Your articles have, near the begging, an outline format, WITH numbers-this is good. However, in the body of the articles, you have the same titles, but with the paragraph numbers not shown. Why is this? Many times I find that the numbers would help. Thank you Paul Gayet, [contact info redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.24.31.70 (talk) 20:35, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * You can click the section names in the table of contents. Logged in users have the option "Auto-number headings" under the "Appearance" tab at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:47, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Freedom of speech for teachers.
Does the Freedom of Speech extends to teachers and professors if they feel compelled for professional ethics or in the interest of the public to make public disclosures to parents or students that the school or University in some areas or departments is not acting in the best interest of students. Is this Freedom Of Speech restricted in these settings? I am looking for laws rooted in law cases that you could cite in your article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.240.241 (talk) 21:21, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * That's skating fairly close to legal advice. If you are looking for cases, there are a number of good legal websites, findlaw.com, for example.  There are also any numbers of books on the First Amendment at your local law library.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:36, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, if your not looking for general information and instead your looking for an analysis of whether the first amendment applies to a particular fact pattern, you would be best off consulting with an attorney licensed to practice in your jurisdiction. Monty  845  02:41, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

http://shop.wikimedia.org/products/wikipedia-globe-sweats
please tell me who is the model wearing cloths. Gooing22 (talk) 21:38, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Is there one who is not, then?--Wehwalt (talk) 21:31, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I am asking about bald person there.Gooing22 (talk) 21:38, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The Help Desk is for asking questions about how to use Wikipedia. We are not associated with the Wikimedia shop.   The contact info for that group is on this page: http://shop.wikimedia.org/pages/contact-us RudolfRed (talk) 21:43, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * As far as my knowledge is concerned wikimedia foundation is owner of wikipedia.also, whhat i pay there helps to run wikipedia.Gooing22 (talk) 21:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This picture was uploaded by User:Matthew (wmf). I think the easiest way to discover who that model is is to contact Matthew on his talkpage. Arcandam (talk) 22:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Why would anyone want to know the name of a model anyway? I'm getting slight alarm bells tinkering at the back of my mind here.   Wesley   Mouse  22:35, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was my thought on the matter. Let's let the office handle it.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:39, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Assuming good faith here, that's Victor Grigas, Storyteller at the Wikimedia Foundation. The photo was sort of a joke at first (I got the sparkle in the mural right on the top of his head because I thought it looked cool), but when we looked at it, we were happy with it and used it for the shop. Happy to answer any other questions if you have them. Matthew (WMF) 01:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

TMZ
Is TMZ a reliable source? TMZ reports that Sage Stallone's recent death was drug-related, and the article cites that. Shark96z (talk · contribs) 22:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You may want to try RSN. There are quite a few people who asked that same question already. Arcandam (talk) 22:22, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

delete an article
How do I delete an article that I starte (it was rejected and I want the page removed completely until future notice.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ssouth2549 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You can put db-userreq at the top of the page. Dismas |(talk) 02:33, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I requested it for deletion for you. - Purplewowies (talk) 02:55, 16 July 2012 (UTC)