Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 July 18

= July 18 =

"New message" alert appearing for a non-user
I went to the "Earthlink" article, and there was a link at the top of the page which said that there was a message for me (as if I were a user - which I am not). The message was

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to George Washington University has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. L Kensington (talk • contribs) 03:41, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

To see if somehow I was logged in as someone, I went to an edit page and saw that I was not logged in as anyone.
 * Ignore it completely. Since you are not logged in through an account you are identified by the software by your IP address. These are not only assigned sometimes to multiple people, but they can change over time and even fairly often. The message you saw was left for someone who made an edit back in February 2011 using the same IP address currently assigned by your ISP to you. See also the notice at the bottom of Special:Contributions/76.102.193.39 which says in pertinent part "This is the contributions page for an IP user, identified by the user's numerical IP address. Some IP addresses change periodically, and may be shared by several users." You can avoid such issues by signing up for an account. Best regards.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:43, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

polonaise and mazur-mazurka dances
how do i upload my expert articles to wikipedia since i am the expert?

Mazurkapol (talk) 00:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You can't. Wikipedia is not a place for people to publish their own original research on a subject.  If you have previously published material on the topics, which appears in reliable sources, please use the article talk page to list the sources, so people who aren't you can evaluate the information and incorporate it in the articles.  Promoting your own publication on a topic would be a conflict of interest.  You may have published something valid, but because it involves your own writing, it should be evaluated before being added to Wikipedia articles uncritically.  Thank you for being willing to share your expertise with Wikipedia.  We value it, and wish to incorporate it, but we also wish to do it in a responsible manner.  -- Jayron  32  00:31, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Please take a look at WP:WikiProject Dance and the associated talk page - you will find other Wikipedians interested in dance there with whom you can discuss your ideas. Roger (talk) 06:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

You may wish to expand and improve Polonaise and Mazurka.--Canoe1967 (talk) 23:49, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Is it possible to create URL using a date instead of a revision ID?
I am wondering whether it's possible to add a date parameter to a URL, so that the content from the last revision before that date appears, e.g., something like "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swansea_City_A.F.C.?as_of=20110407" to show this page as it appeared on April 7, 2011.

I'm thinking of writing a browser extension that would let users browse Wikipedia as it existed at a certain date, and something like this would greatly simplify things. Jdfoote (talk) 01:22, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * What if more than one revision was made on that date? I'm slightly confused as to what you're saying. Floating Boat   (the user formerly known as AndieM)  07:22, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The URL modifiers are listed at mw:Manual:Parameters to index.php. As far as I can see, the only way to access an old revision is by using the "oldid" parameter. And when you use that, you don't quite get the old version of the page, as the old page is rebuilt using today's versions of any relevant images or templates, not the versions in use at the time of the old version. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:00, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The best you can do with a query url is to get a page history only showing the latest edit at that time: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Swansea_City_A.F.C.&offset=20110407&action=history&limit=1. Do you know WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/TimeTraveller? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! This is exactly what I'm looking for! Jdfoote (talk) 17:02, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Can Wikipedia Tell a Story?
Hi Wikipedia,

I think it would be neat if you had a feature to tell a story about something. Put relevant information in chronological order, add history to give context, show images of the time... etc. I think this would be pretty neat.

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.196.90.50 (talk) 02:38, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * All our articles tell a story, although not necessarily in chronological order which is best suited to articles about historical events.Roger (talk) 06:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

covertable car tops
what type cars convertable tops will interchange with a 1997 chevy cavalier — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.162.143.221 (talk) 03:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. RudolfRed (talk) 04:35, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Fontana High SchoolWikipediaSchool · Cullman, Alabama.
Fontana High School is in Fontana California - San Bernardino County.\ It came up Cullman, Alabama on my facebook page. I know I have the right high school as it mentions Kaiser Steel .. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.190.172.81 (talk) 06:13, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This is Wikipedia, we have no control over what happens on Facebook. To get help with your problem see the . Roger (talk) 06:37, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] Facebook community pages may incorporate content from Wikipedia— such use complies with Wikipedia policies on reuse of content. We at Wikipedia have no control over how the content is included nor can we help to remove it. Facebook does have a topic on Community pages and profile connections on their Help Center.
 * I guess you refer to http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fontana-High-School/104075942962584 which says "Description above from the Wikipedia article Fontana High School". This only applies to the part with heading "Description". The alleged location in other parts of the page is inserted by Facebook and not taken from Wikipedia. I don't know how Facebook generates location information but they sometimes get it wrong. Our article Fontana High School doesn't make the mistake. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:46, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Will my article be reviewed?
Wrote an article in my sandbox but haven't published it yet. The article can be found here. Is it going to be reviewed or do I need to publish it first? Feeling really lost, appreciate any advice. Thanks! Giulialap (talk) 07:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Try submitting it into the Articles for Creation page. Floating Boat   (the user formerly known as AndieM)  07:19, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The blue box at the top of your sandbox page includes a handy link for doing this. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:49, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Template for tagging paywalled references
Is there a template or something I can use to tag a paywalled reference as such? In the article Singapore Exchange, there is a statement using cites no. 26 and 27. Cite 26 died a while ago and cite 27 became hidden behind a paywall. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 07:36, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Try Subscription required -- John of Reading (talk) 07:47, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I added it inside the ref tags. But somehow it looks a bit odd. Did I apply it correctly, ie should it appear at the end of the reference, like it does now? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 07:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that's right, though I've added a space. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:09, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. Should do for now. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 08:13, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

File:Jukti Takko Aar Gappo scene.ogv
I tried to upload an ogv extension file, but I can not see the video. I can not understand what went wrong! Yes, before uploading I made it low quality. Do I need to delete this file and try re-uploading? -- Tito Dutta  ✉  07:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * My guess is that the Cortado player does not support the file format. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 08:02, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * See also Media help. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 08:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know whether we have a project (WikiProject or something like the Graphic Lab) dealing with audio files. I am not aware of it. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 08:08, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Besides, the use of this file in Jukti Takko Aar Gappo appears to be violating NFCC Policy 8. The current use is purely decorative. In addition, I also have concerns with respect to NFCC#3b. The use seems inappropriate to me. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:57, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Ya, I saw your posts yesterday, but, forgot to reply. 2) I visited Media Help yesterday, but, did not ask question. I uploaded another version and it worked. I need to to ask to delete older version now 3) The film (last film of Ghatak (director)) is often described as his autobiographical film– a self reflexive mapping (see lead) Critics have felt– "What has been thematised in the whole movie is the decadence. In multiple ways, so many lives are being wasted. May be the whole country is being wasted." etc etc (see Remarks section). which has also been compared to Gray's Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard. This short clipping catches the same theme (But, not a very important (climax) scene in the film). The article is under re-construction and expansion, I have collected few books and preparing references. Within some time, we'll create a section for either the theme and/or a section like "Ghatak's monologue" etc. I'll (at least) start working in next 24–36 hours.- Tito Dutta   ✉  03:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I still think this clip shouldn't be in the article. I haven't watched the clip, because the player doesn't play the video for me. If there are any important sections in the film that need to be discussed in the article, either


 * 1) If only the spoken text is important, excerpts from the text can be quoted as described at the top of WP:NFCC.
 * 2) If a specific portion of the film is discussed in the article (preferrably via sourced commentary), then the exact portion being discussed should be extracted from the film and only that part be used, preferrably in the section where the commentary about that specific part is located in the article. See Non-free content for what uses of video clips are prohibited.


 * As it stands, the current use violates NFCC#8. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 08:45, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Succession and nav box not showing
The Succession box at the bottom of the 1909 Wimbledon Championships page does not show (Chrome, IE, FF). The same applies to the Wimbledon navbox. On all other Wimbledon Championship pages, e.g. 1908 Wimbledon Championships these boxes appear normally. The code for the boxes is present when editing the page. I removed the relevant code and copied it from 1908 Wimbledon Championships but it still doesn't show. Any suggestions? Thx!--Wolbo (talk) 09:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Dismas |(talk) 10:03, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, that was fast. Thanks! Was it a code error?--Wolbo (talk) 10:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. You can see what I did by clicking on the link that I provided.  Dismas |(talk) 10:37, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You linked the wrong diff. It was . PrimeHunter (talk) 10:40, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, so I did. I just used the "Last" link from Twinkle and didn't look at what it was.  I didn't think that someone was going to come right behind me and make another edit so quickly.  Thanks and sorry for the confusion.  I've fixed my link above.  Dismas |(talk) 10:47, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Inquiry about printing
PLEASE TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PIGMENT AND REACTIVE PRINTING (FABRIC). wHEN AND WHY I HAVE TO DO PIGMENT PRINTING AND WHEN I HAVE TO GO REACTIVE PRINTING — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.59.80.173 (talk) 11:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm about to tell you you're in the wrong place, please ask your question elsewhere but before I do I want you to understand that that you need to stop SHOUTING AT US. This is true pretty much across the internet. Typing in all uppercase letters is interpreted that way, and will make it far likelier that what you type will be ignored. Anyway Symbol_move_vote.svg Have you tried the section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia.  For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: [ click here] . I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:54, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Reactive dye printing and Textile printing may help.--Canoe1967 (talk) 23:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

What is the full from NASA
WHAT IS THE FULL FROM NASA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.61.38.161 (talk) 13:16, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, what is the full what from NASA? I don't understand the question. And please do not SHOUT. Britmax (talk) 13:24, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Please don't SHOUT AT US! The answer is in the first few words of NASA. Roger (talk) 13:25, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * National Aeronautics and Space Administration Arcandam (talk) 19:44, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Image won't update
I've just uploaded a revised version of a file, but when I go back to the article that uses the image it still displays the old version. Still more confusing: when I click on the old version, it takes me to the image page which clearly displays the new version. . — Fly by Night  ( talk )  13:50, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I only got the new version. I purged the page just to be safe, which is probably what needed to happen. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  13:54, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll try that now. In the meantime, I uploaded the image to Commons with a different name. How do I use images that are hosted on Commons? — Fly by Night  ( talk )  14:02, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's exactly the same syntax for images from Commons as for local images. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem is called "browser cache". —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 14:17, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Nutritional Products
Dear Sir / Madam,
 * In the present scenario, 'N' number of companies are cropping up bringing out many Nutritional Products for weight management and also targeted areas such as Herbalife International, Forever Living, Amway, Unicity and so on & so forth. The cost of the products are very high, though the quality is good.  These companies show the result pictures also.  Their plea is that the grains, fruits and vegetables which we are using are not at all having any nutrition when they come to our houses due to growing methods, storing methods and cooking methods.  Is it that much true or to increase their business these companies are creating panic among people?  They are distributing money as commission to the extent of 73 to 75% among the associates.  Are these products are really worth of that cost?  Everybody is concentrating on political, social or other problems except the nutritious food problems which is the main problem.  Food can change a person's mentality also.  Nobody is giving prominence to this point.  Is this politically motivated thing?  Kindly look into this matter and reply.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vijayakrishna60 (talk • contribs) 15:21, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * This is a help desk for issues regarding the use of Wikipedia. It is unclear what you are asking, but if you think there is a problem regarding our Herbalife, Forever Living Products, Amway or Unicity articles, I'd suggest raising them on the relevant article talk pages initially. You will have to be more specific though. And note that we base articles on published sources - we don't engage in investigative journalism, or scientific research, or other enquiries into the nutritional value of products, or into whether they can 'change a person's mentality'. On a purely personal note, I'd suggest that if you have worries about the nutritional effects of expensive products pushed by multi-level marketing, you might do better to buy similar products from more conventional sources instead. They may not be any better for your health, but there is no evidence that they would be any worse, and you will save your money. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:35, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is so confusing for someone who wants to create a page
Dear Wikipedia,

I want to create a page for something that doesn't yet have a page. Do you know I ended up spending hours clicking through wiki page after page of technical instructions, policies, guidelines, and when I tried to do the editing "sandbox" etc - I could not understand how to edit text in the sandbox (where was the text I was supposed to test edit?) or create a new page. Even trying to contact you to send this comment was complicated and I had to click around FAQs for 10 minutes even though I kept clicking on a "Contact us" link. I'm not sure if I'll try again. It's the kind of thing where you need someone who has already edited pages to sit and show you what to do. The instructions are pretty confusing and bad, in my experience they didn't succeed.

It's true that you only have a certain kind of contributor - someone who is already code savvy and can spend hours and hours figuring out wikipedia's techno jargon.

Thanks, Reader, failed contributor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.112.50.75 (talk) 15:22, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I've put a welcome notice with some links on your talk page in the hope that it's some help. Britmax (talk) 15:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't despair, the fact that you have managed to post here is an indication that you can edit a page - that is what you did here. Don't worry too much about the formatting - just type away in your sandbox. You can always ask someone to help with the formatting until you get the hang of it. Trying to create a new article is quite daunting to a total beginner so a good way to figure out how stuff works is to do minor edits to already existing articles such as fixing typos and so on.  Roger (talk) 15:55, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The truth is, while Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, it is not the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. It is just as it is with many things in life: sometimes it takes time and patience to get used to it. However, if you really want to edit here and have the patience to learn the necessary basics, the rest will come naturally. A good place to start might be Help:Wiki markup. Try to experiment a bit with it at Sandbox. Go to the page, click Edit and try some stuff out. If you need help with the wiki code, feel free to ask. And don't be afraid of asking dumb questions. If you need help with something, just ask. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 16:07, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You might also want to check out WP:New contributors' help desk and WP:Teahouse. The people I've seen there are very good at explaining things in detail. - Purplewowies (talk) 17:08, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

THANKS! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.112.50.75 (talk) 17:57, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I really appreciate the advice and links! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.112.50.75 (talk) 17:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

What to do after my page was deleted?
My page (Thatchers' Fine Timeless Fabric) has been deleted due to inadequate and unreliable sources. I want to research additional evidence to prove notability then be able to repost.

What suggestions are there for re-posting, when these resources are found? (Lwilkins93 (talk) 16:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC))


 * The Articles for creation process is probably the best way to go - you get feedback while you create the article. Roger (talk) 16:22, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Question
How do you know if the HD picture format for a TV show is 720p or 1080i. Thanks! TBrandley 17:31, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Floating Boat  (the user formerly known as AndieM)  17:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, actually, on my Awake article it currently uses 1080i, but others use 720p and 1080i. I was wondering what too use on the article. TBrandley 18:10, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I still don't know what you are talking about. Sorry. Floating Boat   (the user formerly known as AndieM)  18:19, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * See 720p and 1080i for the mind-boggling technical details. One possible answer is that you should find a reliable source for the video format rather than trying to work it out yourself! -- John of Reading (talk) 21:12, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

paraprashing
How could: ""We read it and really believed it was a network show. I just don't accept that the difference between cable and network dramas is how smart it is." be paraphrased per Wikipedia guidelines. This is for an article. Thanks, TBrandley 18:20, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Depends on the source and the context. Are you trying to paraphrase a speaker's direct-speech quote into indirect speech?  If so, it might be better to leave it as is, and source it.  Alternatively, you could say something like X said that (s)he believed it was a network show when (s)he saw it, and didn't accept that the difference between cable and network dramas was their degree of intelligence, although it seems n overcomplicated way to do it and you'd still need to source it just the same.  On the other hand, if this is not a direct quotation from someone then it's personal opinion, which doesn't belong in a Wikipedia article no matter how you reword it. -  Ka renjc 18:47, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "the concept of the way your dreams feel real, the way you seem to experience them as something that you don't blink at until something crazy happens that sort of bursts that balloon. I think I became interested in the question of what if nothing ever popped that balloon? What if you couldn't tell the difference between when you were awake and when you were asleep? And then I started looking for a way to marry those two ideas up, and a few months later we had Awake". Also don't know how to really paraphrase that. Thanks. TBrandley 19:18, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a particular reason why you're wanting to paraphrase them? I can see they might be seen as a tad unwieldy, but paraphrasing the whole thing and necessarily having to stick it into indirect speech won't make it any shorter.  The alternative is to say something like "X said the concet of Awake is based on the concept of not being able to distinguish between dreams and reality", which is short and sweet but loses a lot.  You'd really be better taking these changes to the article's talk page and looking for consensus. -  Ka renjc 19:47, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The article Awake (TV series) has been nominated for FA, and they've told me to paraphrase because it is a "quote farm" in the Conception and Writing sections. TBrandley 19:58, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Not all parts/sentences have to be paraphrased. But the ones remaining mainly the "Writing" need to be paraphrased. TBrandley 20:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. I'll see if I can give you a hand, but maybe a request at the GCE request page would bear fruit?  I know they get backlogged, but they might have a good paraphraser champing at the bit to help a potential GA? -  Ka renjc 20:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

My First Article Review/Feedback
 'Can someone review my draft article for me? Just want some feedback before I officially submit it. This is my first article and just need a little confirmation.''' ''


 * I've collapsed removed your article - the Helpdesk is not the place to paste draft articles. I see you wrote it at User:Hitm6337/sandbox, and it's quite OK to invite others to look at it there and offer feedback.  It's also not necessary to use large or nonstandard type when asking questions.  That said, you're very welcome to Wikipedia and warmly encouraged to join us and improve the encyclopaedia.  I'll post some helpful links on your talk page if it's not already been done, and take a look at the article, although it's obviously nowhere near finished yet (no references, for starters). -  Ka renjc 19:03, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, I've had a quick look. There are various issues, but the article's main problem is that it does not address notability.  There is no assertion of why this company is notable enough, by Wikipedia criteria, to have an encyclopaedia article.  The article needs to show, with reference to multiple independent reliable sources, how the company satisfies either the general notability guideline or the specific notability guideline for businesses.  Unless it does, the article will almost certainly be speedily deleted as soon as it goes live.  I have done a Google search and I cannot find any significant independent coverage of the company - no news articles or features about it, just its own website (which doesn't count) and those of companies that list its products.  It may be that you can find some sources, but if not, then the company will not satisfy the inclusion criteria at this time.  I've now removed the collapsed text from this page. because it doesn't belong in mainspace, and would encourage you to continue working on the article in your sandbox if you feel you can improve it to the point where it satisfies the criteria. -  Ka renjc 19:21, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the mistake with the "large. . . nonstandard type" just a habit and due to the fact that i'm still getting use to navigating and working on wikipedia. Also, thanks for the feedback! Really helpful! I'm working on 'notiblility' now. With that being said, do I have to have "sources" for the information outlined in my article being that I got the information directly from the organization itself? I'm a representative of the company as a Social Media Specialist at a sourcing firm who handles their internet presence and my goal is to write a non-bias non-persuassive informational article about their company that could go on wikipedia. I thoroughly understand that we can't "sell" or "persuade" within an encyclopedia article so let me know how I did in that regard as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitm6337 (talk • contribs) 15:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's an unfortunately common misconception that Wikipedia is Social Media, it emphatically is not. The biggest problem you have as an "insider" is finding truly independent sources that discuss the subject in significant depth. We're far more interested in what other people have to say about the organization than its own PR. Basically you need to find and use sources such as news articles about the organization (your own press releases don't count, they need to be by truly independent sources). Roger (talk) 15:48, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If you are indeed working for a company that is paid to manage this organisation's online PR, then you are very strongly discouraged from writing a Wikipedia article about it, I'm afraid. To understand why, take a look at WP:COI and WP:LUC. If you do write such an article, you should seek feedback before posting it to mainspace (as of course you did), clearly disclosing your links to the company (as you have done). Do bear in mind that once that article is live on Wikipedia, you will have no power to control or manage the content, and any other user can (and will) edit it.   As regards sources, you can cite an organisation's own website or other publications in a limited fashion, to confirm uncontroversial facts, but you need to show significant coverage in multiple independent sources to support an assertion of notability under the criteria, and without a credible assertion of notability, properly sourced, an article about a company will almost certainly be nominated for speedy deletion as soon as it appears. -  Ka renjc 22:56, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

edit conflict
I disagree with a user about the compilation of a page. The article had no reele information so I could easily come in contact with some who might try to find anything about it because the topic is very popular. The user's talk page is full protected permanently, so hvordna should I come in contact with him.? --80.161.143.239 (talk) 20:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * User talk pages shouldn't be fully protected, however some administrators will semi-protect their talk pages due to persistent harassment. Many of them offer an unprotected talk page which you'd be able to edit; aside from that, you could leave a note on the article's talk page. Without more specific information about the article in question or who you're trying to contact, I'm afraid we can't help more. Hers fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 20:30, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I see you tried to contact Tbhotch by adding a message to one of their talk page archives, User talk:Tbhotch/Archive 7, which I have now reverted. Is that who you were talking about trying to contact?  Their talk page is protected from moving by anyone other than admins you should be able to edit the talk page and ask your question there.  GB fan 15:58, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia app for Android
Hi. The current wikipedia app on my HTC is for browsing only. Is there an app available that will allow me to vand- ER ER ER I MEAN "EDIT" wikipedia instead? 94.1.62.19 (talk) 21:30, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I think this can go without response... Hers fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 21:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This responsd is typrf, with some difficulyu, uding the broeser thst came installrd on my Android (Samsung) phone. So it is posdible, but I really don't recommend it. Maproom (talk) 21:52, 18 July 2012 (UTC).
 * Yes, hence why I was wondering if an app had been created to help me make IMPROVEMENTS to wikipedia. 94.1.62.19 (talk) 22:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:MOBILE lists some unofficial apps. See if any of those will do what you want.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I find that I can edit fairly well from the default browser on my Rhyme with my phone's T9 dictionary on. I'm actually writing from my phone now. The easiest edits I make are things that don't require typing like undo and rollback. I'm waiting to make bigger edits until I can use a real computer again, though. - Purplewowies (talk) 22:43, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

CSD criterion
Which CSD criterion applies to an empty page in mainspace? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 22:09, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * db-empty will give the answer you seek-- Jac 16888 Talk 22:11, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 22:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Battle of Tremseh references
Many of the references of Battle of Tremseh are not properly formated i.e. they only contain the name of the external link site. There has already been a complaint with respect to this. I am not in the mood to expand all these sources. What is the approriate template to signal that all sources must contain complete citations? Is there a tool that can expand the incomplete citations? Thanks in advance. --P3Y229 22:16, 18 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by P3Y229 (talk • contribs)
 * Does or  help? 71.146.10.213 (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I suggest to use to tag the article. As for the tool, see WP:REFLINKS. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 22:24, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Javed Singapuri
Help me to prevent deletion of the article. Xentram (talk) 23:31, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No, sorry, the subject of the article is not notable according to our criteria. Arcandam (talk) 23:49, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I have declined the speedy deletion request, as it did not qualify for any of the criteria for speedy deletion. However, be aware that the article is likely to be deleted via the more deliberative Articles for Deletion discussion process.  You're going to have to establish a more substantial article, with some significant references to reliable sources that show that a substantial number of sources have discussed the life of Javed Singapuri in some real depth.  If you can't find evidence of that writing anywhere in the world, I forsee the article being deleted.  If you can find that source text, it won't be.  It is that simple.  All that Wikipedia articles need to be kept is substantial source material to draw from when writing the article.  No source material means no article.  The source material needs to be both independent (i.e. not written by or at the behest of the subject) and reliable as defined by Reliable sources.  Good luck expanding and improving the article. -- Jayron  32  23:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)