Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 July 20

= July 20 =

New article
Hi! I'm completing a new article. Although all of the sources are reliable (third-party), some are not online (print only) but I have scanned copies of them. Kindly suggest what is the best course of action to take. Thank! Rodwinoloresisimo (talk) 00:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You may simply cite them as described at Citing sources, you do not need to upload "proof" of what is in them if that is what you are implying. There is a large selection of templates for sources/references/citations at Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles . See our article on Elizabeth II for example, which has numerous references and a large bibliography. Let us know if you have further questions. BigNate37(T) 00:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, that was a bad link to give you. Citation templates is your best bet for citations templates (funny how that works out). BigNate37(T) 01:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If the source is a book or magazine, cite book or cite journal are used. Mjroots (talk) 10:42, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I will also note that we can't used scanned copies of articles here, since scans can easily be altered in this era of Photoshopping. This bears repeating and emphasizing: there has never been, and probably never will be, any requirement that references used in articles must be accompanied with an internet link. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:01, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Template not working
The wraparound feature of Gatorade National Basketball Player of the Year is not working correctly in Michelle Marciniak, Stephon Marbury and Felipe López (basketball). When you click show in Google Chrome, Firefox or MSIE it expands well beyond the width of the page.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * They all look fine for me in both Firefox 14 and IE9. BigNate37(T) 04:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. They are all working now. I don't know what was going on.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:52, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Subject would like section removed and photo changed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittany_Binger

I am writing on behalf of Ms. Binger. I attempted to edit the page for her, but I do not have enough edits under my account by which to do anything past minor edits.

She would like her official photo changed to this: http://visionlosangeles.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/BrittVision_2_Print-419x630.jpg from her agency's page for her. She also requests that any references to Playboy be removed, or at least the "Playboy Centerfold Apperance" in the right-hand side panel. She is trying to distance herself from that brand.

Sizemorefan (talk) 04:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your directness. Our current photograph of Brittany Binger is provided under a free license, and to consider a replacement photograph we would require that it also be freely licensed. Please see our Image use policy for details. We cannot accept files of unknown license status. I have copied your requests to the talk page for her article, where they should be seen by editors who are familiar with the article about her already. I cannot personally promise you any action, however. BigNate37(T) 05:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * A few additional points. First, we cannot use pictures that are not uploaded to Wikipedia, and images without a compatible license must be uploaded by the copyright holder personally or by someone with direct permission to do so. Secondly, the criteria for choosing which pictures appear in an article are pretty standardized according to the rules of the Wikipedian Community. These rules do not typically take into account the wishes of the article's subject. Likewise, as long as the content of an article does not violate any laws, it is the community that decides what information is presented in an article, not the subject. So, again, there may not be any action on your requests. Happy editing,  hajat  vrc  with WikiLove @ 05:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Infobox width
Infobox contains  style="width:22em; , hard-coding its width, and that of other templates that transclude it. Is there a reason for this, and/or a way to change it? Wouldn't a percentage make more sense (or, better, leave it up to something editable/overridable, like the user's common.css)? I notice that there is an "infobox" class in MW/common.css, with a width of 22em, showing some intent to do this. —&#91; Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 05:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * you could try mentioning that on the template's talk page. benzband  ( talk ) 09:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikiquette question
Before I start, I'm not sure this is the right place for this kind of question, so please redirect me to the right place if it's not. I'm not using names or linking to specifics about the situation, because I don't believe it's necessary, and I don't want this to be seen as a personal attack on the editor I am discussing. I'm not looking for support on this issue, but rather guidance for situations like this.

I recently found copyrighted material on an article, so I blanked it using, and added to the contributing editor's talk page, according to the instructions on the template (and reported it on Copyright problems). However, the editor has strongly asserted that they did not add the material in their replies — despite being given a link to the contributing edit with their account name, and acknowledging possession of the account when the edit was made. The editor has suggested there may have been two accounts with the same name, but as far as I understand, that's not possible. I suggested the editor may have forgotten making the contribution, as it was added in early 2006, but the editor assures me this is not the case.

If account names are unique, and I am to assume the editor is truthful in saying they did not add the material, it means this editor's account was compromised, and I presume there is some procedure for this. Conversely, if the editor has forgotten their edit, or is choosing to avoid responsibility for it, the procedure for dealing with a compromised account would be unnecessary — and I feel saying something along the lines of "if this edit was not made by you, it means your account was compromised, and you need to..." might make the editor feel like I am trying to drag some kind of confession out of them — which I'm not!

The editor doesn't seem to have had any other problems with copyright violations, and while they haven't been active recently, they have made substantial useful contributions to some articles, and I don't want to put them off editing in the future. Their replies to my notice show me they are currently well aware of Wikipedia's copyright policy, and I doubt they would add any copyrighted material in the future.

1st question — Can somebody verify that there can't be two simultaneous account with the same name?

2nd question — Do I:  leave it, assuming they are being truthful, thereby leaving their account compromised? leave it, assuming they made the edit despite their assertions, and therefore their account is fine? inform the editor that there account must have been compromised? If so, what do I tell them to do? do something else?  TimofKingsland (talk) 05:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Your account name is the way that the software identifies you. Except under exceptional circumstances (changing usernames or usurpation), no two accounts can exist with the same name, and never simultaneously. I assume it is not an IP address we are discussing, but rather a named account? Is it possible that the edit in question was made by a user whose name is simply deceptively similiar, e.g. a lowercase 'L' in place of an uppercase 'I'? As far as your second question goes, you have already brought the matter to the user's attention, so if their account was compromised in 2006, it's relatively safe to assume it no longer is. If you'd like to press the matter, you could suggest that the user changes his/her password. Since they have a history of good contributions, I would not let this one matter cause a large problem—the copyvio was fixed, and that's what's important.
 * 2006 was a long time ago. I was browsing my edit history from back then and I could barely remember making half of those comments, so what actually happened is not only unimportant, but difficult to remember with any certainty anyways. BigNate37(T) 05:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * On a purely speculative note, the power goes out here often enough that it has intersected with two of my edits in the last two years, one as a registered user, one before that as an IP. One was credited to me, and contained changes I had not made, and the other included my changes in another edit, with no indication I'd been there. While it's possible another user edited if the account was left logged in, this is old enough that pursuing it seems unnecessary. Dru of Id (talk) 07:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Or it could be that the person was in a computer lab or internet cafe or some other public venue and didn't log off. Anyway, It's a bit embarrassing that I was the first person to edit the article after the initial posting and didn't find the copyvio, which I would have looked for today immediately, given the tone of the writing, but I was a fairly new editor back then.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 07:50, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * @BigNate37 — Yeah, it wasn't an IP address, and I clicked the User link from the edit summary, so no chance of typos in the name. I agree the account is unlikely to still be compromised. @Dru of Id — It's possible what happened to you is what happened with this edit, thanks for that. @Fuhghettaboutit - To use your own words, "fuhghettaboutit" — I'd be embarrassed by the edits I did when I first started editing. We were all newbies to begin with.
 * Leaving the account logged in on a public computer didn't even cross my mind, and this could well be what happened. It does seem unlikely someone would hack an account only to copy a few paragraphs about an organisation from their website once. I think the editor just forgot, as I just noticed the edit created an article that would have fixed a red link in one of the only two articles that editor had worked on, which seems like too much of a coincidence. I thought there could be some policy regarding this that I'd missed somewhere, and I also just wanted some input from others. Based on what you've all said, and my own instincts, I think I'll just leave it alone. Thanks to everyone for your input. TimofKingsland (talk) 10:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you thought that he could have worked on the other articles, stayed logged in, someone came by and decided to fix the red link using his login?--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:19, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Adam Leigh re the death of model Caroline Byrnes
Hi, Im Adam Leigh, As suggested in the article, my name has been dragged through the mud on speculation, Please remove my name from said issue as I dont know how to do it myself. If it continues, I will ask of you contact information of anybody posting any more defamatory remarks so I can proceed to deal with it and any further defamatory publication of my name. Thank you Adam Leigh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.119.27.17 (talk) 09:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The information has been removed by . benzband  ( talk ) 09:39, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Typically, info is not removed from Wikipedia because of a subject's wishes, even when they make legal threats. But in this case the references to you were poorly sourced and probably not notable enough to be included in the article. Happy editing, hajat  vrc  with WikiLove @ 09:41, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

categories in loop: is there a tool?
I am looking for a tool able to find loops within categories (e.g. a category belonging to one of its subcats)... does a thing like this exist?--Nickanc (talk) 10:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The page Database reports/Self-categorized categories is updated weekly, but only lists the easy cases where a category is listed as its own parent. The page Dump reports/Category cycles covers the general case but was last updated in May; you could perhaps ask to update it. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:25, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :)--Nickanc (talk) 12:37, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Add signature button to javascript form
Anyone with javascript skills able to add (or provide the code for adding) the signature button with the functionality of placing four tildes, as it provides in the editing toolbar, to MediaWiki:Gadget-teahouse/content.js, right after the text "... sign all of your posts by ending them with four tildes (~) "? This regards the question at Wikipedia talk:Teahouse. Obviously, if anyone has a different way of solving the issue, please advise or take appropriate action. Thanks.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Please don't take action before we come to an agreement at the talk page in question, thank you! heather walls (talk) 11:31, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Contents bar
hi, the thing is that i created a page but the small Contents bar is not displayed. http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF_%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%86, this is the page. any kind of tip is appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SadeghFrz (talk • contribs) 12:20, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Since that page is part of the Persian Wikipedia, you'd do better to ask at their help desk, fa:%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7:%D9%85%DB%8C%D8%B2_%DA%A9%D9%85%DA%A9. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:38, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Image uploading question
hi I'm trying to upload images to my article. I have got permission for the images from the owner and sent it to the email address given but I am having problems uploading the images. Ihave resized them and they are jpegs so I don't understand why they are not being uploaded. The other question is when uploaded how do I then access them to embed into my articleJkidner (talk) 12:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Does WP:Picture Tutorial help? --ColinFine (talk) 15:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Donor Card
A long while ago I joind the Donor Transplant Group by donating everything that is usable on my death I have lost my purse that the card was kept to remind anyone of my wishes on death.

I don't know where to go to get another card to replace it.

Jill — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.95.19 (talk) 13:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 13:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That said, this is probably the best place to start... Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 13:14, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Assuming Jill is in the UK. --ColinFine (talk) 15:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * She is. Ryan Vesey Review me!  16:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Using re-election website as source
I recently wrote an article on Anthony DeVitis and the source I used had little information. There is some useful information, not a lot, at his relection website. The material would be okay per WP:SPS; however, I'm a bit wary on linking readers to that site. In addition, the source I used (his House page) doesn't show anything under the education section. (Go here and click on education) Both sources stated that he attended the University of Akron. I am under the impression, especially after reading his relection website, that he did not finish. I know it would be OR to state that; however, how should I mention his education in the article? Stating that he attended the University of Akron implies that he graduated from there, which is probably not true. Currently I make no mention of his education. Ryan Vesey Review me!  14:46, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * To note, the information that I would like to add is his birth place. Ryan Vesey Review me!  14:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * To me, "attended" means only that (ie, not "graduated") but you could extend it to "attended classes at" which might make it better to some who disagree with me. Dismas |(talk) 16:05, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

disambiguate UWO, Please.
The acronym UWO is being used by DeWalt tools to describe torque output on some of their screwdrivers/drills. The acronym UWO is representative of Unit Watts Out. When trying to discover this I spent more time than I was comfortable with searching results and finding only articles referencing University of western Ontario or some Ultima Online crap. Please help out an old school chap and help us power tool users research online tool purchases more easily. Thank you for your time and service! -angus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.114.59 (talk) 14:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but a buyers' guide or catalogue is one of the many things that Wikipedia is not. If UWO (= Unit Watts Out) meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability then there may be an article on it, but not every meaning of an initialism should necessarily be included in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 15:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

It sounds like a variation of Shaft horsepower. Motors can be rated by input and output power. A 1 hp motor is actually the output, the input can be 5-60% higher depending. If enough companies adopt that term we could create it as a re-direct to the proper article?--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Question
"Don't use double quotes - quotes within article/webpage titles should use single quotes". Could that be explained, it is for source review on the FAC page for an article. Thanks, TBrandley 15:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Does MOS:QUOTEMARKS clarify the matter? --ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

contact
hi iam pursing my 4th year b.tech civil enng belongs to andhrapradesh kadapa i need information how 2 contact mettupetty dam office staff, because we are very intrested to visit that project basically we belongs civil branch.............actullay we need permission to visit dam, so please send me the contact numbers of that project thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.213.150.143 (talk) 15:18, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This page is for help about using Wikipedia. Please visit the Reference desk. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  15:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Larger Urban Zones
I don't know where else to turn now. The page Larger Urban Zones lists the LUZs in descending order of population.

The issue I have is with Leeds, which is listed as Leeds-Bradford in the list (at position 22). There is no such thing as Leeds-Bradford, or at least not officially. In the official list of LUZs, Leeds is listed as Leeds as you can see here: http://www.urbanaudit.org/CityCountryPDFLongList.aspx

Like I've mentioned on the article's discussion page, if Leeds is going to be incorrectly referred to as Leeds-Bradford, then Birmingham must be listed as Birmingham-Wolverhampton and Manchester as Manchester-Salford etc. The other option is to write what is actually on the official website and just call it Leeds, not Leeds-Bradford.

Currently, the page lists Leeds as Leeds because I have just edited it, but this page is constantly edited back to Leeds-Bradford. Please, PLEASE, nobody responds to me on the discusion page and I've provided a link to the official source, please can someone fix this permanently? So that it can't be changed back without whoever is doing it explaining themselves? --Tubs uk (talk) 16:13, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * If you'd like to address the person making the change directly then you can go through the history tab for that article, find the person and leave a message on their talk page. (I glanced at the history for this article and it would be easier if more people left comments describing their edit.) RJFJR (talk) 16:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I can see your point, but I can also see why somebody might object to the entry for Leeds in the list linking to Leeds, which is an article about Leeds, not the Leeds LUZ. In any case, what you have is a content dispute, for which we have a dispute resolution process. I suggest you start by dropping the tone of "I'm obviously right and anybody who disagrees with me is obviously wrong". There's no way to "fix it permanently" in any case: Wikipedia works on consensus. Perhaps the table should have a column which names and links to all the significant places within each LUZ. --ColinFine (talk) 22:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

"Save page" has become unreliable
This is driving me nuts... I've been using the same computer (ZT), OS (Win7), browser (Chrome), and preferences for years and never had a problem, but in the past few days the "Save page" button has become unreliable. I edit, hit "Save page", and the unedited version of the article appears and there's nothing in the History. I've lost quite a few edits. Some times it works fine, but about 1 time in 4 it fails and I've no idea why. Help! --Woz2 (talk) 16:39, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I turned off WikED two days and I haven't had the problem since. I've been using WikED for years without an issue so I'm baffled. Maybe something changed?Woz2 (talk) 04:38, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Content Erased
Hello, I was just updating our team page and after spending hours and hours and all of my information was erased and back to the old content.

I would like an explanation for this please!

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Realmaryland (talk • contribs) 17:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It was block reverted by a "Bot", an automatic program, due to the link you tried to add to a fanpage, which I just removed again since such links are not appropriate. Please also take note that it is not your page, and have a read of WP:COI-- Jac 16888 Talk 17:34, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

two identical pages
There is a page in Wikipedia on Joule expansion and one on Free expansion, but this are two identical types of expansion with just a different name. I propose to direct readers from the Free expansion page (which is poorly developed) to the Joule expansion page.

Adwaele (talk) 19:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * They do appear to me to be the same process, so I encourage you to go ahead with your merge. But I think that first, you should discuss it on the talk pages of the two articles. Maproom (talk) 20:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You might want to consider proposing and executing a merge instead. Cheers!Woz2 (talk) 20:04, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Locating articles by subheading/section
I was wondering if there is a way to find all of the articles that have a particular subheading/section, specifically, I was interested in all of the articles that have the "In popular culture" section. Is there a way to filter by this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcarter14 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * A search like this one for the phrase "In popular culture" may get you part of the way. Towards the bottom of the first page of results, you will start to see search results such as "Battle of Thermopylae (section In popular culture)".
 * If you are looking for a concise and complete list, you could try posting at AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks to see if anyone can scan a recent dump of the Wikipedia database for you. I could do it for you, but my downloaded copy is two months out of date. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

User IP Question For Journalist Working on Story
I am a journalist working on a story about Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes. I notice Hynes's Wikipedia page has been edited recently to remove some critical information: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_J._Hynes&diff=prev&oldid=502675980. The user who made the edits is called NYCIsAllISee. Is there any way I can track the user's IP address? I have spent almost an hour searching but have had no luck. Thank you, P Berger. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdberger (talk • contribs) 19:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No, a registered user's IP address is kept hidden. See the Privacy policy. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * However you can find out what other edits he has done. He is shown as only having edited the one article, and as having done so competently. Infer what you can from that. Maproom (talk) 20:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Romney for President, inc.
Dear Wikipedia and Mr. Wales;

My name is Samantha Jones, and I am a Legal Advisor for Romney for President, Inc.

Gov. Romney is interested in controlling his Wikipedia biography as he believes that it is instrumental to his Presidential Campaign. He also believes that if the page is controlled by third-party users, it will be prone to editors posting slanderous information to the biography.

Romney for President Inc. would therefore kindly ask the Wikimedia Foundation to restrict the editing of the Wikipedia biography, and other pages whose main subject is Governor Mitt Romney, to the Romney for President campaign.

Yours Faithfully,

Samantha Jones Romney for President, Inc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamanthaJones2 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Please see WP:OWN and WP:COI. Also this resource might help WP:WikiProject Cooperation/Paid Editor Help. Woz2 (talk) 20:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply;

However, the Romney for President campaign can not accept the fact that the most read biography in the world about Gov. Romney is written by volunteer amateur editors. The risk of slanderous and incorrect information being posted is far too high for Romney for President, Inc.

Yours faithfully, Samantha Jones — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamanthaJones2 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I smell a troll Jauerbackdude?/dude. 20:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * With all due respect, Samantha Jones, that is how Wikipedia works. Even if you are who you claim to be, we don't let the subjects of articles control the articles, be you Nelson Mandela or Arthur Bremer or Noam Chomsky or Joss Whedon. I do hope that the use of words like "slanderous" is not a covert way of hinting at legal action; we don't tolerate that here. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  20:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * To expand on this, I am sure that you and Romney for President, Inc. are aware of the disastrous media coverage that would come about if it became known that your campaign was taking control of his Wikipedia page. Ryan Vesey Review me!  20:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I suspect that Jauerback's assessment of "Samantha Jones"' posting is closer to the truth than Ryan Vesey's. Not that it matters - her request will be ignored. Maproom (talk) 20:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * See also User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 111 Discussion closed with "Please WP:AGF, quick answer, move on." Woz2 (talk) 20:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Rather blatant troll at that. Any communications would come from a public relations representative. and be on letterhead, not a nearly anonymous posting from a "Legal Advisor" where the capitalization alone screams at us. Collect (talk) 21:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, we know... YHBT YHL HAND... Normal programming now resumes... Woz2 (talk) 01:04, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Help!
""It was 1 or 2 o'clock in the morning, and I remember I was so freaked out by the script that I went upstairs to our guest bedroom where my wife was sick with the flu and I got into bed with her," recalled Korman". I may need help paraprashing that. Thanks! TBrandley 20:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are you wanting to paraphrase a first-person statement? But I'll have a shot. "Korman was so upset by the script that, though it was after midnight, he went into the room where his sick wife was sleeping, and got into bed with her." Maproom (talk) 20:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * For FAC page on an article, Awake (TV series). Thanks, TBrandley 20:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

disambig page and citations etc, using example Coleman
Should a citatation be requested for a statement like... Coleman is a surname of both English and Gaelic origin, being found in both Great Britain and Ireland. In England, it is a trade name from Old English col (coal) and mann (man) and in Ireland it comes from the personal name Colmán.?" Also, although I'm reasonably sure the quoted statement is correct, it seems misleading, in that many families with the name Coleman probably had the name anglicized from names like Kohlmann, just as one might argue that the Irish Colman got anglicized to Coleman.--Richard L. Peterson 76.218.104.120 (talk) 20:04, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly! It sounds like a mixture of ignorant speculation and bad folk etymology. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  02:40, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ok thanks, I'll put citation needed on it.76.218.104.120 (talk) 05:50, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * never mind, it's already been removed76.218.104.120 (talk) 05:52, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

My "Engology" page does not to exist any more. Why?
This is my second time to query the fact that my "Engology" page does not exist any more. Why? I did not do any modifications within this past few months. I cannot make any sense of the Wikipedia instructions....just going around in circles.

Best Wishes, Fintan Lynch — Preceding unsigned comment added by Engology (talk • contribs) 20:47, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * See, which links to this discussion. Dru of Id (talk) 20:57, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The content at engology was removed and the page was redirected to engineering technologist some time ago. You were notified on your talk page when that redirect was then nominated for deletion. As Dru of Id pointed out, you can read the discussion at Redirects for Discussion to see the rationale for why this was done. BigNate37(T) 21:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

deep web/ how to access it?
please help access the hidden web please urgent, very urgent!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.218.124 (talk) 21:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think you want to be there. Arcandam (talk) 21:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Deep_web--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:09, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I think xe is referring to the tornetwork. Arcandam (talk) 22:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * You might start with this page which purports to provide ten deep web search engines.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Should we test those engines and add them to the article? Some may have articles themselves.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:19, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe, as a single external link to this aggregation page?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 07:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I added all 10 to the talk page. Some do have articles. I will put those in a see also section?--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:19, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

User Page
Can IP address have their Userpage just like I have ?? Kajan23 (talk) 22:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly. But remember that many IP addresses get reassigned, so different people may use an IP at different times: in such cases, an IP user page is of rather limited value. --ColinFine (talk) 22:47, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

who is the oldest saxophone player in the world?
I try to search every where I can to find out who is the oldest baritone saxophone artist.Can`t find any where. Any help will appreciate. The reason I wanted to find out, because of my friend professional saxophone player from New Orleans, Roger Lewis, he is 71 years old, and I think he is the oldest sax.bariton performer. Why it is not in Wikipedia? Please let me know any resources how can I find out about it and clarified that he is the oldest one :-) Thank you very much. Irina — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.197.102.252 (talk) 23:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. RudolfRed (talk) 23:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * My guess would be Adolphe Sax. Woz2 (talk) 01:14, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Censorship and Bad Attitudes
On the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_fact_and_theory Talk Section, I am continually being harassed by two folks (also check out my Talk Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Snootcher to see who they are) who are adamant in their attempt to get me banned. They are editing my words so that others cannot read them, for example. They are threatening me, insulting me, and are being generally abusive. How can I prevent such things? Is there a moderator who will cool the flames in these two folks' hearts and make Wikipedia more open to discussion rather than to controlling said discussion? I believe that I am being harassed and would like that harassment to end immediately. Thanks. (P.S. Sorry for not knowing all of Wikipedia's protocol's. This was my best attempt.  Thank you, and my apologies in advance if this was the wrong way to go about it.)  Snootcher (talk) 23:41, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * To get help, see WP:WQA RudolfRed (talk) 23:50, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:DNFT. 69.62.243.48 (talk) 03:06, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Backlog of edit requests
Hi, editors,

Apologies if this is in the wrong place, but I know lots of editors read this page. There's a good sized backlog over at Category:Wikipedia_semi-protected_edit_requests. Please consider taking a look and helping with getting it cleaned up. RudolfRed (talk) 23:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * For all the sports and movie fan requests, I would just close them and tell them to get @@@@ing accounts and stop bothering us with their trivial @@@@ing requests. That will clear most of your page. The Batman movie alone has four open on its talk page!--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:57, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I did over twenty. Someone else take a turn while I watch and drink beer. I told many IP that they should get accounts and stop clogging the board. Some have over 100 edits and months in.--Canoe1967 (talk) 04:18, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! RudolfRed (talk) 04:33, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You are very welcome. Did you see that ugly mess on the Batman page. I was going to close all of them and leave some trite comments, but I decided to leave that for someone that wants to WP:BITE some IP editors about getting less lazy and creating accounts. Is there any valid reason why they can't?--Canoe1967 (talk) 04:39, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I got the list down to four and only one complaint on my talk page. I don't know if that is a good or bad thing.--Canoe1967 (talk) 07:08, 21 July 2012 (UTC)