Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 July 8

= July 8 =

I want to send a letter
How can I do for e mail? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mingppodol (talk • contribs) 00:19, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.-- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  00:24, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * If you mean Wikipedia's feature for emails to other users then see Emailing users. Help:Using talk pages describes a more common method to communicate with other users. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

how to show pdf icon next to link?
Is there a way to get the pdf icon to show up on a link that does not include .pdf in the url? I am looking at the first ref on Seville, which ends up at a pdf, even though it does not show .pdf in the url. I'd like to add the pdf icon so that others who click the link know what to expect. For example, the second ref on that page has the little pdf icon, which I assume is added automatically. Is there a way to make it show up? RudolfRed (talk) 02:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * See Help:External link icons. There has been some discussion on this, but no real resolution. You could add the icon as an image, but then the image markup is stuffed into the citation metadata. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 03:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The PDF might have another URL with .pdf on it. I've been on database websites that do things like that, where there's a URL from the search that has no .pdf in it, but it's possible to find another URL that does contain the .pdf. - Purplewowies (talk) 03:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the replies. RudolfRed (talk) 04:37, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The reference uses cite web which has a format parameter. I have added format=PDF which writes "(PDF)" in the reference but doesn't add an icon. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:14, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

questions about proposing deletion
I want to propose the article John DePetro for deletion. I read the help page on deletion, and it makes my head hurt. I added the Proposed deletion marker to the top of the John DePetro article. It is apparently not causing the article to show up in Articles for deletion. I wasn't sure if I was supposed to add it to that list by editing, but when I tried to do that the preview did not show it in place even though I used the same form as the other articles for that day. Have I done enough to have this automatically deleted in seven days if no one objects? help. thanks. Trudyjh (talk) 03:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * It's on the list now: Category:Proposed_deletion_as_of_8_July_2012. Sometimes due to caching it can take awhile for things to show up.  RudolfRed (talk) 04:07, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, why isn't that link showing up? RudolfRed (talk) 04:09, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That link wasn't there for awhile. Why did it suddenly start working?  The page was live when I put the link in my post, I copied the category name from the page.  RudolfRed (talk) 04:19, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The next time this happens make a null edit to the page. For categories, purging the cache won't update the page but a null edit will.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:16, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

question about un-merging or renaming
There used to be an article named Harissa (dish) which is now Harees and I wanted to move Harissa (dish) back but the name change was not allowed, I'm guessing for technical reasons? Harees is an Arabic variant of the dish Harissa and Keşkek is the Turkish variant. Harissa is also a Tunisian pepper paste. I have a lot of information to add to Harissa (dish) and I see that some of the material has been deleted, and the current page needs to be improved. Thinkfood (talk) 04:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * You can't move it, because there is already a page at Harissa (dish). You can edit the page so it is no longer a redirect, but you should discuss it at Harees talk page first.  RudolfRed (talk) 04:46, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot. Yeah I did initiate a discussion there... regards. Thinkfood (talk) 07:25, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Removing redirects
I am trying to figure out how I can remove the redirect for Merle Watson that redirects to the article for Doc Watson, so that I can write a unique article on him (because I think he is notable in his own right). I tried to read WP:Redirects, and, maybe it's because I'm tired, but I absolutely couldn't decipher it. Can someone explain to me, in plain English, how to remove the redirect, or do it for me?

Thanks, DavidSSabb (talk) 05:19, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, you can just edit Merle Watson, remove "#redirect Doc Watson ", and then add your content. Happy editing, hajat  vrc  with WikiLove @ 05:31, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Although Hajatvrc provides a direct link above, if part of the issue was accessing the redirect this can be done by clicking on the link at the top of the page after you are redirected to Doc Watson, which looks like this " ( Redirected from Merle Watson ) ".--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:08, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

How do I change the version of a picture without creating a new file/image?
I was unable to figure out how to download a new version of a picture on the same file, and thus I had to download pictures in a new file, which I found to be very tedious, burdensome, time-consuming, and annoying. Thank you. Futurist110 (talk) 06:46, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Your most recent upload is File:Htaft.jpeg. If you click through to the page on commons, commons:File:Htaft.jpeg, you should see a link named "Upload a new version of this file" just above the "File usage on Commons" sub-heading. Is this the link you are looking for? Does it work for you? (I hope I've understood your question correctly) -- John of Reading (talk) 08:01, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * You can overwrite commons files when your commons account becomes autoconfirmed four days after the creation yesterday. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Oops
I have accidently deleted all of the information on the Middlesbrough Bus Station page can you restore it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.222.139 (talk) 09:07, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * It has been restored (see here). benzband  ( talk ) 09:13, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * See Help:Reverting for another time. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:16, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I've left a message for you at User talk:86.169.222.139. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:13, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

What to do when I get no responses from Peer Review?
I requested the Jose Rizal article for peer review a week ago but still go no replies. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can do instead?119.224.27.62 (talk) 11:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Template - transclusion or substitution?
Should Template:NFCC issue note be transcluded or substituted? I ask because it currently uses substitution and another user said at User talk:Toshio Yamaguchi that it should be transcluded. Transcluding the template would break the current functionality of the parameter that dates the template. If people think the date parameter is not necessary at all, I could remove it entirely and change the template to use transclusion. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:53, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

See also a previous discussion about this template here. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Couldn't you hardcode the date so that it substitutes upon transclusion and not be a parameter, i.e., using, or use it as a parameter but substitute the five tildes, i.e. prefix subst: ?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:01, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't work, because it instantly transforms the five tildes into the date ( see here, where I tried this). -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 18:41, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe this edit takes care of it. The date should work now when transcluded. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:19, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Change Registered E-mail Needed to Reset Forgotten Password
My username is mrzubrow and I forgot my password but am unable to reset it since I think the e-mail address to whih the account is currently registered is no longer valid. I would also rather not create a new account. Can you please help me with this. I appreciate the assistance. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.253.113.63 (talk) 16:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, unless you have a valid email address to send the password to, you have to re-register.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:38, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's some advice I just saw (PrimeHunter said essentially what I did):
 * My understanding is that it may be possible to recover an account in such a situation, but it is a tedious process and you will need to convince a number of editors with very advanced permissions to help you. If you really want to go down that road, I think your journey starts with a request at Bureaucrats' noticeboard. If your not terribly attached to your old account, PrimeHunter's advice is definitely the way to go.
 * — Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:43, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

"Engology" entry in Wikipedia
Why has my "Engology" entry being removed? Fintan Lynch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Engology (talk • contribs) 16:32, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Someone proposed that it be deleted because it is a neologism and had no reliable sources to support it. Rather than delete it, someone redirected it to the page Engineering technologist. Cresix (talk) 16:40, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2012_July_10 --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Vertical Bar
Hi! I'm usually on the answering side here, but I would like to know which keys to press to get the pipe character. Until now, I've had to paste it and I'd rather just type it. Thanks, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 17:46, 8 July 2012 (UTC).


 * On my QWERTZ keyboard, pressing AltGr + <> will produce that character (like this: |). -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 18:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but I have a QWERTY keyboard. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 18:07, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * According to File:Qwerty.svg it seems you have to press Shift + the key to the left of Backspace. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 18:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * (e.c) My QWERTY board has it to the far right of the keyboard on the third row (far right of the tab). "shift" + "\". Calmer   Waters  18:14, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Electriccatfish2 (talk) 18:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Arranging info on article
Hi guys, wondered if someone could help me improve on the layout of an article titled Liverpool Pride. As you can see, I've tried to include info on acts that performed at previous Liverpool Pride festivals but as you can see the layout is not very aesthetically pleasing. Can anyone help me improve? Many Thanks. 92.28.74.28 (talk) 18:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Name conflict
I created the redirect yesterday and am now wondering which name is more correct for the subject: Cibecue Community School or Dishchii'bikoh Community School? The evidence on both sides is substantial:


 * The Arizona Interscholastic Association record and most other high school sports writers outside of the area use Cibecue. (That said, the White Mountain Independent newspaper, which serves the town of Cibecue, does not.)


 * The school has two websites, one under each name (cibecuecommunityschool.org and dishchiibikoh.com) — though the .org domain uses Dishchii'bikoh on the banner at the top and elsewhere. The two sites appear to have matching content.


 * The school's sports uniforms don't offer a solid conclusion: baseball has "Cibecue" and football has "Dishchii'bikoh".

Which name meets Wikipedia conventions better to be the location of the article? (The other site definitely should be a redirect.) Raymie (t • c) 19:13, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Tool to convert bare URL's to refs
Is there a tool or script to help convert bare URL's (like in Cornbread mafia) to refs? Reflinks won't touch it. -- Neil N   talk to me  20:53, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you would have to take the square brackets off and replace them with . Reflinks will work then.  Tigerboy1966   21:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. -- Neil N   talk to me  14:30, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * UI've also found that first pruning them down to "really" bare URLs is required for Reflinks to work. Roger (talk) 14:39, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Can somebody assist me in addressing this transwiki concern?
Hello.

I have not found the correct place to lodge a transwiki request even after editing since mid-2008 (and having an account before), therefore, I am asking for somebody to help me address this concern. It can be found at Talk:Citystate Savings Bank. Thanks. 69.155.129.170 (talk) 21:40, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Requests are made at Requests for import. However, it isn't possible to import from WikiPilipinas. Therefore, the best way to handle this (assuming the source has an appropriate license) is by placing a link to the source in the Wikipedia article to provide the attribution. If there isn't a compatible license then it should be tagged as a copyright violation. QU TalkQu 21:55, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Please remove tag
Please assist me to remove the tag on the Cher Chevalier page. Two reliable sources have been added to the page to include the official book publisher. Thank you 92.29.55.159 (talk) 22:08, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Electriccatfish2 (talk) 23:24, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Message bar
Is there a way to make edits to a user subpage - User:AnkhMorpork/Chess, trigger the orange message bar? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnkhMorpork (talk • contribs)
 * I don't think there is. Please see Village pump (technical)/Archive 38. The unfortunate part is that per that discussion, was filed and then closed as a duplicate of, yet if I'm reading the latter bug correctly, the former was actually neither a duplicate of, nor contemplated within it.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:47, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, have you seen User pages? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

China hurdles to IRC at wikipedia (English)
I'm helping my host university to add themselves to English wikipedia since most of the other universities in town are there, but this one is not. The IRC chat feature won't work from my university login because the CAPTCHA and certain flash features appear to be blocked or disabled. Also my wikipedia comment was responded to with a link to Youtube. However the entirety of the google ecosystem is also blocked here in the wild west part of China. My question is about workarounds for people authoring/editing from locations where these software hurdles exist. In other words, is there a non IRC way to dialog about my proposed article? ---GPW in Urumqi, China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikigpw (talk • contribs) 22:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * You can create the article in your sandbox, and then comments can be left on your talk page and you can also respond there. RudolfRed (talk) 00:33, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Dispute solved please open
Please open page 16:10 again. dispute solved./Urklistre (talk) 17:41, 11 July 2012 (UTC)