Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 June 14

= June 14 =

How can I add information to a article in Wikipedia?
Hello,

When I did a search for my 2nd Cousin, FRITZ TRUAN, I found some information on him.

How can I add information, a link, from his name and add a photo.

Thanks, Diana Truan Weaver — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShastaDi (talk • contribs) 01:01, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. 71.146.10.213 (talk) 01:35, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think the template used above is well-suited as a response to this post—71.146.10.213: do you see anything in the post that indicates this person is not asking about adding information to Wikipedia? In any event, if your cousin is the Rodeo Champion mentioned in List of World All-Around Rodeo Champions, then based on my search of Google book sources and some news sources, he does appear to be a sufficiently notable subject to warrant an article. However, generally we strongly discourage people from writing articles about people they know personally, are related to, or are friends with, as doing so presents a conflict of interest. But the creation of an article is the manner he would normally be added to Wikipedia in some way, and where a photo would be placed. Despite the conflict of interest issue, I am going to nevertheless post a template below that contains quite a bit of standard advice about creating an article.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)


 * You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article and How to write a great article, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article, but you will need to create an account to use it. if you don't wish to do so, you can submit a proposal for an article at Articles for Creation.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Adding facts in article that are not included.
An article about Park Slope, Brooklyn omits the following four interesting and important facts about the neighborhood:

1. Barack Obama lived on Second Street in Park Slope immediately after he graduated from Columbia University

2. Al Capone grew up on Garfield Place in Park Slope

3. Park Slope now contains the largest Historic Distirict in New York City

$. The Dogers played there first baseball games in a ballpark where Washington Park is now located.

How would I go about getting them included? 70.107.122.85 (talk) 01:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * First, find a reliable source that supports your information. 71.146.10.213 (talk) 01:35, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * "The Dodgers played their first baseball games..." Don't they teach spelling anymore? Roger (talk) 07:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * 1. Barack Obama lived on Second Street in Park Slope immediately after he graduated from Columbia University 2. Al Capone grew up on Garfield Place in Park Slope 3. Park Slope now contains the largest Historic District in New York City 4. The Trolley Dodgers played there first baseball games in 1883 in a ballpark where Washington Park is now located. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 07:34, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Allowed to seek help as an IP user? Being followed around Wikipedia?
Hi, so I got involved in an edit conflict. During the conflict they would tell me that my posts towards them were violating policies and guidelines yet their posts do the same. I've tried to resolve it and have informed the users involved about my real intents and that they were wrong about their perceptions of my posts. They insist and has been following my contributions page since then. So I decided to go the discussion pages concerning those policies they mentioned and ask other people there but these users would pop out of nowhere and posts that there is no need for me to ask anything there (but the other users around those boards disagree). I still find this disruptive. How can I block them from watching my contributions page?

Btw sorry for posting under an IP Address. I want to conceal my account's identity and prevent them from coming to this page to turn it into another edit conflict. 119.224.27.62 (talk) 01:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You can't block someone from watching anyone's contribution page here at Wikipedia. If there is something else that you want to ask you could list the names of the users and the policies that they mentioned. 71.146.10.213 (talk) 01:37, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess I could ask about canvassing. After a consensus has been reached in a discussion, I decided to discuss the problem in other discussion pages regarding an article's notability. However I got followed there. They also discussed among talk pages that I was going against the consensus. So is this really canvassing? 119.224.27.62 (talk) 02:00, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * If its not possible to block 'someone'. Can I block everybody instead? 119.224.27.62 (talk) 05:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It might be Wikihounding. Are they following you with intent to disrupt whatever you're trying to do (even constructive things) or drive you away? Have you tried the methods laid out at WP:dispute resolution? If so, which ones? - Purplewowies (talk) (How's my driving?) 02:47, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah they are kind of doing that. Then even discussed about me on their talk pages and had began assuming that I had some serious intentions and that I wasn't going to stop until I could over turn their consensus. I have told them repeatedly that I don't want to fight and that those are not my intentions. I eventually gave up on trying to come to an understanding with them. Now they are still following me and making more assumptions that I still have those intents. I don't think that the WP:dispute resolution is helpful because its mainly about contents in articles. I think this is beyond that. 119.224.27.62 (talk) 05:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you are concerned about people unfairly stalking you and reverting you without cause, perhaps you should try a noticeboard like WP:WQA, which is more suited towards behavioral conflicts. I would try that first, and if nothing comes of that, you could escalate to WP:ANI.  Note, however, that people at both of those noticeboards are going to need direct evidence, in the form of diffs, that shenanigans are going on, so at some point if you want redress, you're going to have to do so at your main account.  -- Jayron  32  05:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Alright thanks for the tip! I will look at those links that you guys have provided carefully and will began researching on this issue before taking any action. 119.224.27.62 (talk) 11:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Geographical coordinates
Are citations required for Geographical coordinates? - Chandan Guha (talk) 02:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Citations are required for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged. In general it is a good idea to include citations for factual information like that. -Thibbs (talk) 03:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The general guidance on this subject is at Obtaining geographic coordinates, with some good discussion on the talk page as well. If properly obtained, as described there, coordinates are not likely to be challenged, therefore they do not need to be cited unless they are, in fact, challenged. (Since the purpose of citations is so information in Wikipedia can be verified, most coordinates do not need to be cited simply because a person can verify the coordinates by calling them up on an online map and looking or by going to those coordinates on the ground; they are, in effect, self-verifying.) Even if they are challenged, in most cases there is a clear and obvious error and they can simply be corrected without citation. I generally do not include a citation unless there is an actual dispute, largely because our reference tags do not work with coordinates (especially in titles, where they do not work at all) and the "source" parameter in the coord tag isn't really meant for citing in this sense. If I include coordinates for a place or thing which no longer exists or which cannot otherwise be easily verified on the ground, I'll frequently indicate my source in a hidden comment just after the coord tag, just so as to forestall a dispute (example). Best regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 13:50, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

David Lewis (trumpeter/pianist/composer)
There are a number of people named David Lewis. I'm tempted to move David Lewis (trumpeter/pianist/composer) to David A. Lewis to shorten the disambiguator since it seems ungainly. But I'm wondering if I can get any opinions from the Help Deskers to see if I'm on the right track. Note: There are already two other people who have (musician) tagged on. Thanks, Dismas |(talk) 03:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Are there places he's credited as David A. Lewis? Dru of Id (talk) 06:41, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have boldly moved David Lewis (trumpeter/pianist/composer) to David Lewis (Australian musician). Disambiguated titles should be as simple as possible, and, I think I am correct in this, article titles should not contain forward slashes as they actually create subpages.--ukexpat (talk) 13:34, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Subpages are disabled in article space so article titles can contain slashes. The talk page will be a subpage which can cause confusion. See WP:NC-SLASH. But David Lewis (trumpeter/pianist/composer) was a poor title and I support your move. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:27, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Dru, I have no idea but it was one possible solution that I thought might help. UK, thanks! Dismas |(talk) 17:47, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

AFD Summary ArkyBot Dragons flight
Is there any working AFD summaries that produce outputs similar to User:ArkyBot/AFD summary/all and User:Dragons flight/AFD summary/All? -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 06:56, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, not sure if any others that are exactly similar but maybe the following are on the track of what you're looking for:, User:DumbBOT/TimeSortedAfD and Category:Wikipedia deletion sorting.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:40, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipe-tan on porn website
I am not certain if this topic should be initiated here, but it may deal with using Wikipedia. As could be seen here or on the website, can anyone ask them to remove Wikipe-tan from their website? --124.122.234.207 (talk) 07:01, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Images of Wikipe-tan fall under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license. This means anybody is free to share (copy, distribute, and transmit), and to remix (adapt) the work as long as proper attribution is given and the remix/adaptation also bears the same license. The image cannot be used to suggest that Wikipedia endorses this porn site, but if it's not being used that way and it has attribution and bears the same license then they are free to use it. More information on this concept known as "copyleft" can be found here. If you think there is a violation of one of the terms of the license then you can send them a note using a modified versions of these forms, however unless you were significantly involved in the creation of the image that is used in violation of its license you should avoid initiating a legal action. Instead you should contact the image's creator(s) and ask them to do so. -Thibbs (talk) 11:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Muslim divorce
My name is shaikh salim jamil ahmed here is a request to Mr. Amir Khan to safe muslim community from disaster every second house divorce is taking shape and their is no way to stop them the reason behind this no common person know the right way of Talaq.

I am personally victim of this system,If we take this major step we can safe we can safe lots of family from disaster and we have to make a registered commity for nikkah nama which can be registered and we receive a marrige certificate from the centre. and if any body want a Talaq person should approch the nikkahnama centre for further quires and to go for talaq through right channel. and the person can get justice.


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Roger (talk) 07:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

THREE TIME TALAQ TALAQ TALAQ IN ONE SITTING IS IT ACCEPTED ?
UNNUMEROUS MUSLIM COMMUNITY ARE GOING THROUGH THIS MAJOR DISASTER OF THEEN TALAQ IN ONE MAJALIS, WHICH IS WRONGS AND THERE IS NO RESPONSIBLE ORGANISATION TO SAFE IS PROBLEM ITS A VERY BIG ISSUE IF mR. AMIR KHAN TAKE INTEREST IN THIS ISSUE HE CAN SAVE LOTS OF FAMILY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaikhsalimjamil (talk • contribs) 07:19, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Roger (talk) 07:47, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I can help here a little bit. I hope you are talking about Khan's TV show Satyameva Jayate, where he discusses/researches on several social issues (a very good show I agree). If you have some WP:RS for that statement which proves three Talak divorce system is incorrect– you can post in talk pages of those articles (with your references) and request editors to change it! -- Tito Dutta  ✉  18:40, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Talk page guidelines 71.146.10.213 (talk) 18:43, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

MDT-FIT
Hello, Can someone review my article and advise? I am writing about a process called MDT-FIT: Multidisciplinary Teams Feedback For Improving Teamworking. This is a process designed for cancer teams within the UK to self-access themselves against guidelines published by the National Cancer Action Team and is set for national roll-out in 2013. Am looking forward to your comments. MDT-FIT: Multidisciplinay Teams Feedback For Improving Teamworking -- Pg12345 (talk) 10:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The correct link to the article is MDT-FIT: Multidisciplinary Team Feedback For Improving Teamworking. I think it looks like an WP:ADVERT. Roger (talk) 10:39, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks like this article would fit under:
 * Multidisciplinary Team Working
 * Multidisciplinary Team Working for Medicines Management
 * Multidisciplinary Team Working for Cancer Management
 * Feedback for Multidisciplinary Team Working for Cancer Management
 * Seems unlikely that such feedback would ever meet WP:GNG since sources that are independent of the subject MDT-FIT, e.g., newspapers, magazines, and books, won't be writing about the improvement feedback to the management system. -- JeffreyBillings (talk) 13:34, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Note that the article has been speedily deleted for being too promotional in tone.--ukexpat (talk) 14:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

From Movie Farm Awards to Movie Farm
I Can't move the page! Help me! Mr. Taddeo (talk) 11:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Regards.-- GoP T C N 11:36, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Query about why some wikilinks are in red
I have a query about a couple of articles that are being considered for deletion. If you go to the article Barry Smitherman or the article Plane ride from hell, you will see that there are notices heading these articles stating that the articles are being considered for deletion. The notices contain the magic words "Please share you thoughts on this article's entry are Articles for deletion. However, in both cases, when you go "this article's entry", you will see that the words are in red. Yet, it is still possible to click on the words and get to the article's entry. Can some please me how this came to be - I always thought that red wikilinks were where when one clicked, one did not through to anything? Many thanks for any responses, I am just curious! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 13:27, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe this is related to server lag - if you purge the page, the link will turn blue. A more technical explanation would interest me, as well, though. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 13:32, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've noticed the server purge lag for deletion notices as well and was wondering what's up. The server purge lag for deletion notices seems to be a recent phenomenon. -- JeffreyBillings (talk) 13:40, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a known issue when using Twinkle for nominations. The nomination page is created so shortly before the article is tagged that the MediaWiki software doesn't register the nomination page exists. I fixed it with purges. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:37, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I've seen those article page notice redlinks more than 24 hours after they originally were posted, after the time when the server should have purged the page. For new users, it's not fair for them to be presented with a red link because they won't know where to go to discuss the article or to even purge the page. Is there a way to modify twinkle so that an article page purge is part of the twinkle deletion notice posting script? -- JeffreyBillings (talk) 13:45, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It was suggested at Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 28 with no result. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:19, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Imagini Page under investigation for potential copyright issue
Hi there,

The following page was pulled for copyright investigation on 3 June 2012:.

I would like to edit the content in question so that the page can be re-submitted for admin approval.

Is it possible to get the original article back and simply change the parts in question or does the whole article need to be re-written?

Thank you!


 * There is guidance on the correct procedure on the page Imagini in the section headed "Can you help resolve this issue?". Roger (talk) 14:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * However, changing a few words does not make the copyright problem go away. If you want to write your own article, that's very good, but I suggest you don't start with the copyrighted material. --ColinFine (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Colorado Mounted Rangers
I am a Colorado Mounted Ranger and enjoyed wikipedias article about us. I want to submit a picture of our new badge so that the article can be updated. Who do I submit it to? Our old badge has the state seal of Colorado, that was changed in March of this year to "Colorado Territory" which represent our roots to the old west when colorado was a territory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.214.128.6 (talk) 15:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * See WP:Files for upload.--ukexpat (talk) 16:01, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for wikipedia
Sorry to bother you i have no problem i just wanted someone to know that i appriciate this site an i have learnt far more from wikipedia than i have anywhere else an if i need to know something or something i already no about but not the history an other interesting facts i come too this site :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.208.223.29 (talk) 16:35, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for visiting and using the service. For most of us here, we enjoy creating it as much as you seem to like using it. If you have some spare time you might consider joining us and expanding the areas in which you are personally knowledgeable. -Thibbs (talk) 17:38, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Javascript!
I have basics of javascripts. I want to add few in my userpage and talk page! Can anyone tell me how can I it? DO I need to create a .js page everytime? Please add a tb template in my talk page if possible! -- Tito Dutta  ✉  18:36, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Does WikiProject User scripts/Tutorial help?--ukexpat (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It sounds as if you are planning to embed scripts in your user pages. This isn't possible; the page Help:HTML in wikitext lists the HTML tags that can be used here, and isn't among them. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:27, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Message about editing/vandalism
I have never edited any pages on Wikipedia, but have received a message telling me I have made unacceptable edits to a page on Jacob Black (who?). Your own user contribution log for my IP address shows no editing history. 81.151.76.40 (talk) 20:15, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I see a record of vandalism from this IP address on 21 September 2009. The record can be accessed here. If you were not the user who made this vandalism (and considering the account has been inactive since 2009 I suspect you are not the same person) then you can safely ignore the message. Anti-vandalism templates like the one you saw are designed to give troublesome editors fair warning so that if they persist in vandalizing they can be fairly blocked. If you aren't the vandal then don't worry about it. -Thibbs (talk) 20:38, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * (After Edit Conflict with Thibbs above...) The history for your IP does indeed show an edit to that article. Almost 3 years ago.  IP addresses get reassigned all the time by service providers.  Unless yours is a static IP (possible, but not likely), that edit was almost certainly made by someone else, and the IP was reassigned to you at a later date. The warning message on the IP talk page is similarly old.  In general, ignore it.  It does not apply to you. - TexasAndroid (talk) 20:40, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Search Engine
My new article has been moved to live wikipedia, but when I search for the subject it doesn't show up. I have to type the link in. How do i make the subject searchable? The subject is Geza Von Hoffmann. --Girlunderthesea (talk) 20:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You just have to be patient and wait until the search engine indexing spiders catch up.--ukexpat (talk) 20:34, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know! --128.54.102.245 (talk) 21:12, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

What code does media wiki use for bold and italics or where would I go to find out
So I recently discovered that and  are completely different when read by a speech reader. The same occurs in and  so when we use for bold text and for italic text which is used? Personally, I think should always be used by our software when we are bolding; however, italics are different. Sometimes we are emphasizing, and other times we italicize something that is italicized for appearance, like books or supreme court cases. Ryan Vesey Review me!  21:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Bold text and Italic text render as Bold text and Italic text. Roger (talk) 21:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It uses ''' for bolding and ' for italics. I determined this by going to a random article with bolding and italics in it and looking at the source code to see how it rendered the text. Specifically, in Firefox, I clicked on Tools → Web Developer → Page Source; I then went back to the article and copied a word that was bolded and used the find function / to find it in the source code. In Safari it would be View → View Source.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:15, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't believe I didn't think of that. I've been messing with source code all day.  This seems like a poor decision to me because  and  don't do anything when a text to speech editor is being used.  and will make the text be read in a strong way or in an emphasized manner.  A person who needs text to speech would have no idea text is bolded or italicized under our current system. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  23:15, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I know very little about the visually impaired but read text and spoken text are quite different. I'm imagining every article opening with the name said more loudly and think that would sound odd. Say The Dark Side of the Moon, if you were reading it out loud you wouldn't read it as "THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON is the eighth studio album by..." Italics, on the other hand, one does sometime read with more inflection. Anyway, way outside my knowledge base.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:27, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't oftentimes use bold for emphasis in articles, but I know for a fact that there are blind editors and that bold is used for emphasis in discussions. I wish I could hear how a text editor would read it if it was enclosed  .  I do feel like editors who create a listen to this article set the first instance of the article apart by saying it strongly, but I'm not positive.  Stephens City, Virginia appears to, but that may just be due to the accent.  Where do you think I should head to find this out mediawiki or meta.wiki? Ryan Vesey  Review me!  05:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I was once emphatically told not to use html markup but to use the single quotes markups for bold and italics. Roger (talk) 11:07, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, we all do. The issue is about what the software actual uses to render italics and bold, not what people type (or should type). The italics around "people type" that I just wrote was placed by typing doubled apostrophes. But after I click save, if you look at the source code of this page, you'll see that the actual rendering of that wikimarkup is translated into html, using  (as opposed to ) So this thread has nothing to do with whether or not people should use html or wikimarkup but about how the software source renders the wikimarkup in source code for purposes of text readers.
 * Ryan, why not ask some visually impaired editors (or those who deal with the issues more intimately) what they think? Maybe Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility is a central place to bring it up.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:41, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Submitting article from Sandbox
I have tested in my sandbox a major edit of a published article I previously submitted. How do I transfer from there to place I can submit the major edit without cutting and pasting?

H. Crater

Hcrater (talk) 21:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You can find instructions on how to "move" the article from userspace into mainspace at WP:MOVE. Basically you just click the dropdown menu at the top (to the right of the "view history" tab) and select "move". It will prompt you to enter the new name for your article and this way you'll preserve your edit history that shows how you created the article. If you need further help, please ask for more details. -Thibbs (talk) 21:35, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The OP was asking about moving a major edit of a published article: you cannot use 'Move' for that unless you get the original article deleted first. I think cutting and pasting is the only way (and I see that HCrater appears to have done so, at Two-body Dirac equations). --ColinFine (talk) 08:44, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Joe Robbie article
To whom it may concern,

FYI - just a casual sports fan who was researching the Late and great Joe Robbie at:

Noticed that the info box on the top right shows his date of birth and then his age in brackets. This makes the assumption he's still alive (might be something that shows on other pages as a standard feature). He died though! Joe passed away in 1990. There may need to be an amendment to the programming for these sites?

Yours sincerely,

122.105.143.48 (talk) 22:44, 14 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it needs a bit of fixing. I would have used a different infobox also.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look at changing that to a standard infobox. --kelapstick(bainuu) 22:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ --kelapstick(bainuu) 23:06, 14 June 2012 (UTC)