Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 June 18

= June 18 =

See also rules
I have inserted some "See also" links to an article, and an other editor deleted them. What are the rules regarding the "see also" section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.215.205 (talk) 00:12, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You can see the guidelines at WP:SEEALSO.  Don't engage in an edit war.  If an edit is reverted you should discuss it on the article's talk page before putting it back.  See WP:BRD RudolfRed (talk) 00:24, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I am trying to edit the article about CT, and explain adverse effects to it, but there are a few editors there that try to eliminate any remark about side effects, (except cancer with a low probability). They don't understand anything, even small things like radiation dose units, they delete stuff that is a number at the source from a table, and say that it isn't in the source, they say that I can't write about adverse effects from radiation at the dose that CT impart, just because the sources support side effects from the radiation at a radiation dose that CT impart, but doesn't explicitly name a CT as the source of the radiation, they even delete links to DNA damage, and mutations in the see also section. In short, they are completely unreasonable, and effort to hide information about adverse effects of CTs. What can I do? 79.182.215.205 (talk) 00:51, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The concern raised at Talk:X-ray computed tomography is that you are inserting data not supported by your sources. You obviously aleady know about WP:DR, so you should follow the guidance there and not engage in edit wars. RudolfRed (talk) 01:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I fixed my sources.
 * The WP:DRN didn't solve the problem. The other users engaged in this dispute didn't even bother to show up at that board. The DRN header state that dispute is solved by agreement, but who would I agree with, when the other editors didn't even show up?
 * Any other advice? 79.182.215.205 (talk) 01:30, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The discussion on the article's talk page appears to be ongoing still. My advice is to continue to discuss the issue there and build consensus with the other editors. RudolfRed (talk) 02:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Vacumer1 (talk) 04:23, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikifrustrated! I want to create a template!
I want to create a template– Wikifrustrated! You know there are many reasons to get frustrated here– continuous edit warring etc, personal attack, foolish comments etc So, the basic idea is ''right now this user is frustrated with Wikipedia, so he may not response to all discussions now and he may try to avoid some particular discussions" Is there any similar template? I know about WP:Wikibreak, this is not what I am looking for! Any opinion?-- Tito Dutta   ✉  05:00, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The closest I found is, which is in Category:Wikibreak templates listing other templates. If none of them is what you want, then you might want to create a new one (you could use one of the existing ones as a basis). -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 05:09, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I just created User frustrated per the suggestion. Hope it's what you had in mind. I can see people finding something like this useful.  Equazcion  ( talk )  05:11, 18 Jun 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Can you change the bgcolor to #fae5b0 or similar please? -- Tito Dutta  ✉  05:21, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I added a parameter for that, see the documentation.  Equazcion  ( talk )  05:30, 18 Jun 2012 (UTC)

request length report for Fluorine
Please give me the full length report (readable prose of most interest) for F. 64.134.168.97 (talk) 05:50, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Pictogram voting delete.svg|20px]] Please do your own homework. Welcome to the Wikipedia Help desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here not to do people's homework for them, but merely to aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems. Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. You can or . If you need help with a specific part of your homework, the Reference desk can help you grasp the concept.  Do not ask knowledge questions here, just those about using Wikipedia.


 * Also see Fluorine.--203.84.180.42 (talk) 06:38, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I cannot imagine how this could be a homework assignment. This is the second time this exact same question has been asked. As I provided the last time: Using User:Dr_pda/prosesize.js:

Document statistics: Prose size (including all HTML code): 124 kB   References (including all HTML code): 25 kB    Wiki text: 185 kB    Prose size (text only): 73 kB (11056 words) "readable prose size" References (text only): 1636 B
 * --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Some text had been added and also several paras behind bullets were converted to unbulleted form. Expected to see the length go up. Thanks again for running the script.

Um...now...um...could you write this essay for me on how I should spend my summer. ;-) 64.134.168.97 (talk) 06:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, here's the updated numbers:

Document statistics: File size: 734 kB   Prose size (including all HTML code): 134 kB    References (including all HTML code): 28 kB    Wiki text: 189 kB    Prose size (text only): 78 kB (11805 words) "readable prose size" References (text only): 1755 B
 * --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:56, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * See Friendship, Kinship, Physical exercise, Leisure, Outdoor recreation, Storm, Internet access, Plan B, and Summer reading program. Good luck. Dru of Id (talk) 07:07, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh god, sorry. I focused on the word "report", not "length report" and assumed he/she was requesting a full-length paper/essay on fluorine. Sorry for the mistake.--203.84.180.42 (talk) 10:09, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The question could have been worded less ambigiously - "Request for a length report of the article Flourine" would have been clearer. When I saw the initial post I also assumed "homework!". Roger (talk) 10:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * To the OP: does the suggesion at User:Dr pda/prosesize work for you? Then you wouldn't have to ask here each time. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:37, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.168.97 (talk) 01:52, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Pictures
This is probably a dumb question. How do I search for pictures? I see images in articles but I cannot find them searching Wikipedia. What is the obvious thing I am missing? Thank you!!!! --Kinkykitteh (talk) 07:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Images are held in the file namespace - on the search page, use the Advanced search to select only "File" pages. It's also a good idea to prefix your query with a single tilde (~), which makes the search fuzzier (image names are often pretty obscure). You can also search for free images at Wikimedia Commons. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 07:32, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Super helpful! If I link images from Wikimedia Commons how do I do that? file: is for local stuff but what is for those images? I'm sorry if these are dumb questions. I really appreciate your help. --Kinkykitteh (talk) 07:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * To display an image from Commons, just use the "File:" prefix as you would for local images. The software knows to look in both places. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome! That makes life way easier. One last image question. I'm working in an obviously 'adult' area. Am I correct in assuming that I should try finding the most tasteful images possible for the topics? Is that wrong? Should I use the most fitting images? Should I try to find some balance? I'm not quite sure how I should be making judgement calls like that and I don't want to cross any lines. Is there some rule about that? I know Wikipedia Is Not Censored and all that but surely there must be some kind of boundaries. I don't know what they are and how to weigh that. I don't want to mess things up or do it wrong. --Kinkykitteh (talk) 08:08, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Questions like these have been debated at length. I guess you should start reading at Offensive material, and be prepared to discuss your choices on your article talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Unwanted markup fragment on target page
Can someone help me with User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:NFCC issue note? There appears some code that shouldn't appear on a page with a transclusion of this template (see the template page in my userspace and my sandbox). -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 07:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've made an edit. Have I removed the right text? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure. I want the template to have a small date appear at the end of the text, as in Template:Unreferenced. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 07:56, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The tagging date will have to be passed in as a parameter; you won't be able to do that with CURRENTMONTH and so on. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:09, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Why doesn't this change fix it (see test)? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 08:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, got it. Really fixed now Test transclusion. Thanks John. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 08:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Other templates like this one have a named parameter "date", so I think you should stick with "date=". -- John of Reading (talk) 08:50, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you point me to an example where I can see how the "date" parameter must be used? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 09:00, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * How about starting with a copy of Template:Unreferenced, or (a bit simpler) Template:Copy edit? Then the fiddly details would be handled by the usual code inside Ambox, and you wouldn't have to worry about it. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:05, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I made User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:NFCC issue note 3 using ambox. I guess that's better. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 10:05, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Is it possible to substitute only part of a template, ie. the date parameter, while everything else is being transcluded? If so, how could this be done? How can I achieve that only the date parameter in User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:NFCC issue note 3 is substituted, while the rest is being transcluded? When I add, the current date becomes part of the template markup. Is it possible that the template markup always has the current date and the substitution only takes place, when User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:NFCC issue note 3 is itself being transcluded onto another page? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 14:40, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If there was a way to do this, then I am sure that templates like would have been written to use it. What you can do is to code this template with a required "date" parameter, and then create a second template that subst's the first one. Have a look at  and  as an example. Alternatively, once your new template is up and running it could be added to the list of templates that are automatically dated by various bots. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:13, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I just had an insight and finally found a method to achieve what I want. See User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:NFCC issue note 3. I used five tildes as parameter. Thank you for all your help John, very much appreciated. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 16:42, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Multiple questions
Should I always use an edit summary? Should I break up my edits to make sure the summary can cover each one? When should I use the talk page instead of or in addition to edit summaries?

What about the TOC thingy with underscores? When should I use that? I see that on some pages but not on others and I don't understand why.

How do I turn a redirect into one of those disambiguation pages? Is there some shortcut or template for that? Plus can anyone point me to some rules page about disambiguation so I know I'm doing it right?

Is there some live chat feature or site I can use to ask more questions as they come up so I don't keep cluttering up this page?

Thank you so much for any help!! --Kinkykitteh (talk) 08:03, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, unless your edit is extremely minor and uncontraversial. No, usually a general overveiw of what you've done ("fixed typos", "reverted vandalism", "added headers", etc.) is fine. Use the talkpage if your edits are likely to cause arguments, or if you're about to get embroiled in an edit-war.
 * TOCs usually sort themselves out; you'll rarely need to create them yourself - but see WP:TOC for full details. Adding the underscores forces the table to appear in a specific place, whether there are enough headers to generate it automatically or not.
 * The answer is probably too long to expound here, but you can find details at MOS:DAB. Feel free to ask me on my talkpage if you need more explanation. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 08:11, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There's also WP:IRC for real-time assistance. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 08:12, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey Kinkykitteh, you can also enable a feature that reminds you each time you forget to add an edit summary, by checking the box "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" (under "Advanced options") at Special:Preferences.
 * Another gadget is the " Add two new dropdown boxes below the edit summary box with some useful default summaries" box (under "Editing") at Special:Preferences. benzband  ( talk ) 10:02, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

You should, but don't have to. KKwren (talk) 15:59, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Stephen Hinchliffe
I have attempted to correct the factual inaccurate statements in your page about me. The corrections through editting are initially accepted but soon after revert to the oncorrect text. Why do you not allow me to correct the incorrect facts please? You are supposed to be professional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.34.197 (talk) 10:13, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * If you really are Stephen Hinchliffe then in most circumstances you should not be editing the article about yourself - see our guidelines on conflicts of interest and autobiographies. If you believe there are inaccuracies in the article, the correct course of action is to raise the issue at the article's talk page and see if other independent editors will agree to change the article. Also, you should note that almost all Wikipedia editors are volunteers, not professional editors. Gandalf61 (talk) 10:35, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * If the information you want to remove is supported by reliable sources, then it should not be removed. If it is not supported by reliable sources, then anybody may remove it, particularly in an article about a living person: however, to avoid problems with conflict of interest it's probably better that you request removal on the talk page rather than doing it yourself. --ColinFine (talk) 11:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

HOW TO DE-ORPHANE AN ARTICLE
Dear Sir, Yesterday I produced several links to Dorin N Poenaru

from: Spontaneous fission, Nuclear fission, University of Bucharest, Island of stability, Cold fission, Neptunium, Cluster decay, Alexandru Proca.

Please let me know what shall I do to de-orphane the article Dorin N Poenaru.

Yours sincerely, Sobieski Wanda (talk) 10:19, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I removed the orphan tag from the article. If the tag no longer applies you can remove it. Quasihuman (talk • contribs) 10:30, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

You must add links to it. DinosaurP (talk) 14:32, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's about having incomming links from other articles. Roger (talk) 10:42, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

No English version
hello,

I am searching for a category, tool or anything similar which lists all articles not created in the English wikipedia, for example. Thanks.-- GoP T C N 14:12, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * If you mean all titles which exist in at least one other language but has no interlanguage link to English and no English article with the same title then it would be a huge list, maybe milions. See Translation for something more modest. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:27, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Will go through the several listings. Regards.-- GoP T C N 15:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Account Deletion
I am request to have my account Tiparrish removed/deleted from the Wikipedia site. Please do so ASAP.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiparrish (talk • contribs) 14:40, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Accounts cannot be deleted but you do have the right to vanish.--ukexpat (talk) 15:03, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Cloud.com
Can anyone add the proper cite templates to the article's refs rather than bare URL links, thanks. 117.227.30.10 (talk) 14:53, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ you can do that in two clicks if you register an account and add the Reflinks script to your monobook. Regards.-- GoP T C N 15:32, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please recheck. Refs like no. 8 and 5 seem to be wrong. 117.227.4.212 (talk) 10:32, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Snafu re category move to new name
Hi. I want to change Category:Singers awarded knighthoods to Category:Singers awarded British knighthoods. My rationale is sound but I screwed up in setting it up (see ). Help!! Thanks. Quis separabit? 15:40, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The place to discuss renaming of categories is at WP:Categories for discussion. GB fan 15:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Adding shortcuts to this page
I've decided to be bold and add the shortcuts WP:Y and WP:HDH to the formerly abandoned sandbox for the header of this page, but I was wondering why they had been removed, as I do remember that they used to be there. There is nothing on it on the header's talk page so I don't have a clue. AndieM   (Am I behaving?'')  16:38, 18 June 2012 (UTC) So from what I gather, WP:Y was removed to cut down on space taken up by the header and WP:HDH was removed because hardly anyone edits the header so its use is severely limited. These are the views of other editors, and not necessarily shared by me. If you want to weigh in on the WP:HDH RfD then I'm sure your views would be welcome considering how few editors have weighed in on the question. -Thibbs (talk) 00:26, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:Y - After first being added sometime in 2007, WP:Y was removed from the page in this 2007 edit (which has no edit summary), and then was re-added in this 2009 edit (with the edit summary "add additional stuff from the help page") before being deleted most recently in this 2012 edit (with the edit summary "better use of space").
 * WP:HDH - The WP:HDH template was also created in 2007, and remained until 2012 when it was removed in this edit along with the edit summary, "rm useless shortcut, added teahouse link". Shortly after this edit, WP:HDH was nominated for deletion and it is currently up for discussion here. The nom's rationale is that it is a redirect that links to a page that hardly anyone ever edits (i.e. the help page header) and for which a shortcut is needless.
 * All right, I'll let the current one stand. I've !voted against keeping WP:HDH. AndieM    (Am I behaving?'')  09:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

How do I add the Reflinks tool (Toolserver) to my Toolbox menu?
The heading say it all. Roger (talk) 17:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, I found the instructions. Roger (talk) 17:56, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect information on my page
My name is Laurie Blalock Vanzura. I write under the pseudonym Lori Wilde. Someone has input incorrect information on my page. I tried editing it and it seemed to take it, but when I go back to the Lori Wilde entry the old, incorrect information is still there! My last name is NOT Moeller. My birth name is NOT Blabok and my first name is NOT Laura. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.14.153.36 (talk) 17:50, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I think in this case your not writing pulp fiction (on this occasion) and you are who you say you are but Wikipedia needs a independent and good verifiable source. See:Verifiability Do you think it possible that a relative of yours has the name  Moeller and has thus caused confusion here by you using a nom de plume. Post here (or better still -on the article talk page) a good reference that we can cite and it will be corrected before our next reprint.--Aspro (talk) 18:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Also being discussed at WP:BLPN.--ukexpat (talk) 20:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Removing a tag/flag
Hi, my article entitled Bpeace was flagged for three things which I believe I have now corrected. How do I get the banner removed that says otherwise? Or can someone check my article? Much appreciated. Kkl12489 (talk) 18:15, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * An editor has been working to help you and two of the tags have been removed; the orphan tag remains. Nine of the 'references' are to its own site, which should probably removed. Its social media sites should be removed and one (1) link to its main page should be in a section External links. Dru of Id (talk) 19:57, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Change name of new page
i am making a new page and i do not know how to change the name Maxbeyer (talk) 18:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * See WP:MOVE.--ukexpat (talk) 18:25, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * (note) This is the user's only edit. AndieM    (Am I behaving?'')  08:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In that case, the way to change the name of a redlink is to edit the article. If doing so would produce an ugly result then one can create a redlink in the sandbox or on one's userpage simply by clicking "Edit" at the top tab and then writing  in the edit field. Here "Example Name" can be replaced with whatever seems appropriate. After the redlink is created, clicking on it will take you to an empty page where you can write your article. -Thibbs (talk) 12:47, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Addding a citation
I want to add a citation to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Health_informatics&action=submit. When I look at the present citations, then click Edit, I'm given a mostly blank screen, showing none of the existing citations. Should I just enter my citation, then click edit, and expect that the system will add it to those existing. (I don't want mine to change anything already existing.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by White, Jim (talk • contribs) 18:49, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, welcome to Wikipedia. References in Wikipedia are actually added within the text of the article itself, where you see those little[1] numbers[2]; this is to ensure that references are associated with the text they support. The software then displays them in that mostly blank section you found. This page provides some explanation about how to create these references, but in general, do this: Text that needs a reference. . Hope this helps! Hers fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 19:38, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * For example, in the article you mention, if you edit the History section, you'll see this sentence (second in the first paragraph):
 *  In 1949, Gustav Wagner established the first professional organization for informatics in Germany. </tt>
 * That reference (the stuff in the tag) is then shown at the bottom of the screen as reference 4. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 19:41, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks much, the reference has been added, and works! — Preceding unsigned comment added by White, Jim (talk • contribs) 21:53, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Wrong Founder
How do I edit a company's "founder" in the info box? It is wrong on the Wikipage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.164.172.90 (talk) 19:07, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * First, you need to find a good independent and authoritative source which states your  company's founder. See  Verifiability. Then click on the edit tab at the top and correct the info with a reference to the source or just click on the 'talk' tab at the top on the article page and add it there (at the bottom) – with an explanation. A skilled editor will then update the article next time they’re  cruising through.--Aspro (talk) 19:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The above answer assumes you are affiliated with the company. If that isn't the case, then you can just be bold and edit it yourself. RudolfRed (talk) 00:25, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

(my)Deleted wiki page still shows in Google Search
Hello Long back ( When I was new to the whole internet world), I had created a page of my own in Wiki and I donno what I was thinking at the time. The page have been deleted but whenever I google my name, the deleted wiki page with my name is the first search result. I do not want that page to be appearing. The page is deleted long back but the deletionpedia still appears. Can I know what I have to do to avoid this.

Thanks Indira22 (talk) 19:41, 18 June 2012 (UTC) Indira


 * Hello, I'm sorry that you're having problems with this, but it sounds like the copy of the article you're seeing is being hosted on another website; there are a few sites that will grab copies of articles from Wikipedia before they are deleted. You may wish to contact administrators on that site for further assistance. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  non-admin (t/a/c) 19:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Deletionpedia's list of stuff they don't want. If your page meets any of those criteria, you can request deletion via Special:GrimReaper. Reach Out to the Truth 17:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

IRC
Tell me all about every single command on IRC, I want to know every-thing!--Deathlasersonline (talk) 21:57, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * See List_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_commands. Also, this page is for just questions about using Wikipedia.  Next time ask non-Wikipedia questions on the reference desk at WP:RD RudolfRed (talk) 22:23, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Self Grandizing
Charles Carreon, after picking a legal fight with the Oatmeal, apparently created a wiki page that has very little real information on him. Thinking this might have been a left over from his prior 15 seconds of fame involving sex.com and just had a recent update, I left it alone. It appears to have been updated again within the last week and this time it has his website - it was not there beforehand. Now he is claiming his website, which he just updated to wiki article about himself, is under attack. I'm sure the updates at logged and will show a pattern. No doubt, he updated his Wiki entry after filing a suit against the National Wildlife Federation and the American Cancer Society. Please do not let this man continue to use your platform to basically promote himself. I am old friends with Randal Keith Milholland of Something Positive and I'm aware that several of HIS attempts to post a wiki on himself (before a well meaning fan did) were shot down for far less than this person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.137.7.64 (talk) 22:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you, but this article is currently being discussed for deletion. Editors are voting as to whether this article should remain on Wikipedia or not, and your concern is one of the concerns listed. If you would like to !vote, then you can vote here. Please note that this page is for questions on using Wikipedia, and similar problems can be reported here in the future. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 22:56, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The article has actually been around since 2008, long before his dispute with Inman. Possibly even before 2008, since the article was created with an unreferenced tag alrady on it. Reach Out to the Truth 17:56, 20 June 2012 (UTC)