Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 June 2

= June 2 =

Clubman page
We currently have a page titled "Clubman" which is redirected to "Mini#Mini Clubman and 1275GT: 1969–1980". We also have a page entitled "Clubmans" which is about "prototype front-engined sports racing cars". I don't think the Clubman page should automatically take the reader to the Mini page and ignore the Clubmans option. What's the best course of action please? A Disambiguation page? GTHO (talk) 00:11, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If there are only two uses, then you could leave the redirect in place and put a hatnote wherever that redirect goes to saying something akin to "Clubman redirects here, for the racing cars called Clubmans see here..." You could use the for template for this.  Dismas |(talk) 00:13, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Two users keep changing around constructive edits
You can check my edit history, and see that I have been back and forth at Jeff Daniels, and two users keep removing the picture. For a while, there has been no picture at all. Now with a picture given, one user thinks it is terrible quality and is insulting to the project (at the same time, put for deletion with the same reason). Have made discussions on talk page, and I personally don't think the image is that bad. How do we go about getting some consensus for other users feedback on this issue, when the page has little editing traffic, and avoid editing wars, etc? Tinton5 (talk) 02:12, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Follow the steps at WP:DR RudolfRed (talk) 03:06, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Confusion of two similary named sports teams
Hello,

Your biography of legendary Yankees pitcher Allie Reynolds correctly states that he played minor league baseball briefly for the Wilkes-Barre Barons during World War II. However, when you click on the link to the "Wilkes-Barre Barons" you are taken to a page about not the baseball team but the Wilkes-Barre Barons basketball team, which played in the same city in the same era. You don't seem to have any data anywhere on the Barons minor league baseball club. Incidentally, it was common years ago for a team from one of the then-less-popular sports (basketball or football) to use the name of the more popular local baseball team, a practice that would not be permitted today. The net result for historians can be confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.15.87.47 (talk) 05:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Link now goes to Wilkes-Barre Barons (baseball). Thank you for pointing that out. -- Neil N   talk to me  05:20, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

How to create a page in wiki
Dear Team,

Can you please let me know the process of creating a page in Wikipedia......

Regards Subhash — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.192.239.37 (talk) 07:02, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * See WP:Your first article Roger (talk) 07:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Grep - searching plain-text data sets for lines matching a regular expression
I've been trying to run Grep to search Wikipedia main page titles, but keep getting the "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage". However, if I select a namespace such as template talk, it runs fine. How can I run grep on Wikipedia's main page titles without getting that error? Is there a better option to string searching Wikipedia's titles than Grep? Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 08:27, 2 June 2012 (UTC) That could be the issue. Thoughts? If that is the problem, I still would prefer to not receive the "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" error and don't mind waiting the 5 minutes for the search to complete. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 08:58, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Jarry's Grep page notes: ""Database cluster(s) S2, S3 is/are experiencing significant lags of more than five minutes at the moment. Depending on what action you are trying to perform, this may negatively affect the accuracy of any output you receive. Issues with S2 affect data collected from a number of medium-sized Wikipedias, as well as the English Wikiquote and Wiktionary. Data from this cluster is currently lagged by 498249 seconds. Issues with S3 affect data collected from a large number of smaller projects (not just Wikipedias). Data from this cluster is currently lagged by 71 seconds.""
 * I'm fairly confident this is just a timeout error because the MySQL query it generates is too inefficient to give a result. Try to make it more efficient e.g. by using the ^ and $ regex characters. It's also possible for the developer to override the timeout limits, but in general that's not such a good idea. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 10:29, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tips. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 01:07, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

hi
where can i write new article.my user page has already one article and sandbox has also other article so where can i write new article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Debendra sharma (talk • contribs) 09:16, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You can create as many user subpages as you like, and that is the usual place to incubate a new article. --ColinFine (talk) 09:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You can easily have as many sandboxes as you need - you can create a page at User:Debendra sharma/sandbox2 to work on a third article. Avic ennasis @ 09:48, 12 Sivan 5772 / 09:48, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Addition to article 'List of long place names
In the article you list some multi-word town names. Do not forget about the full name of Los Angeles 'El Pueblo de la Reina de Los Angeles (The Town of the Queen of the Angels.)' 29 letters. Peace...Blue — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.239.142.130 (talk) 14:06, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to edit the article to add information, but please make sure the information is cited to a reliable reference. --ColinFine (talk) 20:12, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect Link
On the Leo and Diane Dillon page, The Secret River - Author: Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings is erroneously linked to The Secret River, written by Kate Grenville. Please correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.120.98.34 (talk) 15:03, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed, I removed the wikilink as this book doesn't have a page of its own.Sarahj2107 (talk) 15:34, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

erroneous information in article
Greenhouse effect

"Earth’s natural greenhouse effect makes life as we know it possible. However, human activities, primarily the burning of fossil fuels and clearing of forests, have intensified the natural greenhouse effect, causing global warming."

The second sentence is completely erroneous, unproven and in total contrast with similar effects observed on other solar bodies in the sol system.

I submit a correction, that the erroneous part ", causing global warming." be removed.

Also, "However, human activities" should be corrected to read "However, it is hypothesized that human activities".

I would have made these corrections myself, but the button was not visible.

125.237.52.98 (talk) 16:23, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please propose these changes here: Talk:Greenhouse effect -- Neil N   talk to me  17:23, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Slight topic change: That article is semi-protected. Why doesn't it have a message or a lock icon at the top? RudolfRed (talk) 17:36, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added one. -- Neil N   talk to me  18:19, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Baburam Bhattarai being an ex-terrorist with interpol notice against him in the past
I have provided well sourced links in the article related to Baburam Bhattarai being an ex-terorrist with interpol notices that were served against him in the past. This is related to the factual history of a living person. There is a user called SudoGhost and another one called HunterSilver (I am sure they are one and the same person) who is hell bent on eraising any point that is made to show the criminal background of the PM of Nepal. I need some help. As I am not very versatile on how to warn users who do not want articles to be neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack of All, Master of None (talk • contribs) 17:19, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The content is being removed because it is a WP:BLP issue, and the edit runs counter to the guideline WP:TERRORIST. The talk page discussion can be found here. - SudoGhost 17:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * SudoGhost, you are the person against whom I have put up this question so you do not have much right to come back up against it. A third party must come and define what is acceptable or not. The point in the article is as under:

"Baburam Bhattarai is an ex-terrorist who had interpol Red Corner notice issued against him. "  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack of All, Master of None (talk • contribs) 18:03, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You can discuss the proposed changes on the article's talk page. If that doesn't work, follow the guidance at WP:DR RudolfRed (talk) 18:06, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Archiving at ANI
Hi, everybody. Only very experienced helpers on this one, I think, since such a high-profile page is concerned. I notice this thread at ANI is 8 hours overdue for archiving via MiszaBot. If that's an actual anomaly, could it be due to one of the following?


 * 1) The seemingly erroneous (?) attempt to "comment out" the section at the top of the page that begins "template:User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis".
 * 2) The failure of FP@S to timestamp his comment, "Moved back to original thread on WP:AN. – Fut.Perf. ☼" in the immediately preceding section that's now the first one listed on the ANI page.

I notice from page history at ANI that, as of the timestamp of this present post, MiszaBot last archived anything at 14:35, 1 June 2012 (UTC). I'd appreciate it if someone who understands archiving better than I do could have a look. --OhioStandard (talk) 18:11, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Archiving occurs whenever the archiving bot happens to check the page for expired threads. That doesn't happen constantly, so expired threads can stay on the page for a time, past 24 hours of inactivity. This particular thread just got replies today, so it'll take even longer. I re-collapsed it though, seeing as the matter appears resolved.  Equazcion  ( talk )  11:26, 3 Jun 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but that doesn't sound plausible to me. When I this help request initially, that thread had received no new posts for roughly 32 hours. Then when I added the unresolved tag at 10:45, 3 June 2012, it had still received no new replies; at that time, the last post to the thread was at 9:30, 1 June 2012, which means that as of that time it had been in place for roughly over 49 hours since its last post. Since MiszaBot's "algo" parameter for the page is set to 24 hours, there was (or still is) clearly some problem going on.


 * The thread didn't receive a new reply until 11:03, 3 June 2012 (UTC), long after it should have already archived. I see someone has now added a timestamp to Future Perfect's comment, in what is presently the first section on the page, so maybe that'll solve the problem, but I still think the improper commenting out that I documented above shold be looked at by someone who knows MiszaBot and ClueBot very well. So for now, I believe we should consider this problem as still unresolved. --OhioStandard (talk) 17:00, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Equazcion, I'll post shortly to your talk re the single collapse you performed, which I've undone, for reasons I'll explain there. My perusal of ANI page history shows that your edit was the only time the thread was collapsed, btw. - Ohiostandard, 17:00, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The commenting out was because cluebot and miszabot do the same thing. MiszaBot has been known to get blocked due to bugs, so the cluebot code is there in case it needs to be used instead (so it can just be un-commented in that event). As far as timestamps go, dateless posts are ignored. Only the comments with timestamps are considered in determining the age of a thread. The only case where missing timestamps would cause a thread to stay would be when there are no timestamps in a thread. MiszaBot last hit the page at 1 June 14:35, and there were comments (from you) earlier that day at 8:45 and 9:30, so the thread hadn't been inactive for 24 hours at that point.  Equazcion  ( talk )  17:17, 3 Jun 2012 (UTC)


 * The fact that it's been a couple days since MiszaBot hit the page, plus the fact that usually it hits multiple times per day, led me to think something might still be wrong. I found this edit which changed the miszabot key, and reverted it. Archiving will hopefully start up again at the regular rate now.  Equazcion  ( talk )  17:32, 3 Jun 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm tolerably fair at mathematical philosophy, but I never could count worth beans where time was concerned. Glad you sorted the archiving problem, though. Marking as resolved. --OhioStandard (talk) 18:50, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Subpage
Does wikipedia have a sub-page limit and will create and execcsive number of them cause your AC to slow down.-- Deathlaser : Chat  18:44, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not have a subpage limit. It is unnecessary to worry about server speed.  Just make sure nothing in your subpages falls under WP:UPNOT.  Ryan Vesey  Review me! 18:50, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Jayadevan's system and VJD System
Can somebody help with the two articles - Jayadevan's system and VJD System, which are about the same topic? Maybe a merge is in order. I know this is not the right place to ask, but I am editing from a mobile device and the talk and history links are all messed up and overlapping with neighbouring links and I am not able to access them.

As a side note, is there any way to solve this issue with my phone as it is a recurring problem in most articles? By the way, I am using HTC Explorer.Thanks. Suraj T  19:08, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I added merge tags to the article, but it may be a while before somebody does anything. For your second question, consider asking at Village pump (technical) or you could consider enabling or disabling the mobile version, depending on what you are on now. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  19:19, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. And I will proceed to the village pump. Cheers. Suraj  T  19:24, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Template Unsolved TfD
How can the TfD notices be removed from the documentation at Template:Unsolved? It is no longer being discussed, since the discussion was closed as Keep. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 20:45, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * A purge of Template:Unsolved fixed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:18, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 21:22, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Books
Why was my contribution regarding the three published books LuLu's Back In Town, The Stalker Pressed Send and When Money Kills taking place in Bangor, Maine deleted? They are available for sale all over the world through Amazon and Barnes and Noble. They are also in The New York City Public Library,Bangor Public Library and the Fogler Library at the University of Maine Orono. Thank you for considering this mention. Perley J. Thibodeau — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perley J. Thibodeau (talk • contribs) 20:50, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * All three books seem to be self published and do not seem to meet Notability (books) -- Neil N   talk to me  20:55, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * All three books are written by one Perley J. Thibodeau. Please see WP:PROMOTION.--Shantavira|feed me 08:27, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Template Unsolved follow up question
I created a navbox intended to be used instead of Template:Unsolved at User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:Unsolved 2. I want to replace the Unsolved template in Wieferich prime with the template I created. Can I simply be bold and replace it with the template I created or should I discuss this change first? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 21:00, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

-- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 21:59, 2 June 2012 (UTC)