Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 June 20

= June 20 =

Private database report?
Is it possible to get a list of all edits in the past 24-48 hours which have my name in the "edit summary" field. There is a certain IP-hopping editor who makes a practice of undoing my edits, and I'd like to get a list of his work. (Edits over a long period would be nice, but would probably tax the toolserver.) — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 00:57, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be possible to just look at your contributions from the past 24-48 hours and review the ones that no longer say "(top)" beside them? -Thibbs (talk) 02:02, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No. Sometimes he waits a week or two.  I found one article last month in which he reverted an edit I made in 2011, which had still been on top.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 03:04, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * And sometimes he "undo"es my edit (obviously, an anon doesn't have the "rollback" flag) which is only the top edit in that section. — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 03:06, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. What a pain in the neck. I'm afraid I don't know how to create a list like you are asking for, but I'm sure something can be done. Perhaps someone else here know how to do this? If it gets to be a big enough problem and these edits are clearly vandalism you might look into requesting a filter for edits from the vandalizing IP range(s) that would flag edits that reverted you. -Thibbs (talk) 05:14, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Kelapstick's comment below reminds me that Scotty Wong's tool at toolserver can look up edits by edit summary. Would that do the trick? -Thibbs (talk) 11:32, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah but scratch that. Looking at it again, I see you can only search a certain user's summary, not an IP-hopper's range so that probably won't be very helpful. -Thibbs (talk) 11:43, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

hindu bangalis of northeast india
This is a political problem and not solvable by Wikipedia's Help desk. Bielle (talk) 01:49, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * This page is for questions about how to use Wikipedia. We can't help with political questions.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Twinkle preferences
I changed my preferences to keep a CSD log. Does that only capture nominations from this point forward, or should it list any nominations I've made in the past? I'm assuming it only works from now on as the subpage hasn't even been created. I don't suppose there's an easy way to populate it with previous nominations.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:44, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it will only capture edits from this point forward, Scotty Wong's tool at toolserver can lookup your edits by edit summary, which will link show you edits to talk pages where you left notifications. --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, well, better late than never, thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Deering High School, Portland, Maine
Please add to the notable alumni list.

Andrew G Lano II, PGA Tour Caddie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanotwo (talk • contribs) 02:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * See the guidelines Notability (people), Red link, and the essay Write the article first. Only those both with articles and reliably sourced should be listed, although if someone, for example, became a state representative, a position of assumed notability, they could be added before the article. This was recently asked somewhere else, too, and rejected. Dru of Id (talk) 02:27, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Just 4 days ago. Dru of Id (talk) 02:34, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Reference irrelevant
Suppose there are statements in an article that are followed by a citation, but the citation is either irrelevant to the statements or does not support them. What's the correct procedure? Just remove the citations and put in a "citation needed"? Or is there a flag that should be used to indicate the problem?Ordinary Person (talk) 03:24, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You could use Failed verification.--ukexpat (talk) 04:19, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

white text?!
II Wanted to read and article on my phone which is hard enought. But then the text is white? How the **** do you read white text on a white background? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.85.174 (talk)


 * Please post a link to the article. Or are all articles displayed with white text on your phone? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:38, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Page does not exist
In the page 'Abu Hurairah', His wife "Bushra bint Ghazwan", Page does not exist. Why? Wikipedia doesn't have the information about her or the information available is not authenticated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.64.211 (talk) 09:42, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It is a red link. That's common in Wikipedia. It means there is currently no article about the subject. No article has been written and Wikipedia appears to have no other information. I'm also unsure of the English name. I cannot find independent sources. The article creation said "Busrah bint Ghazwan". PrimeHunter (talk) 10:35, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Sandbox showing
Dear Wikipedia, I seem to have messed up. My sandbox has been showing on the internet. What have I done wrong? Can you please remove it for me? How can I avoid this happening again? Sorry for my incompetence, and thank you for your help. Maya Frida Barr (talk) 11:54, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry you chose to blank your sandbox. It was well on the way to becoming a nice little article. Please consider reverting the deletion. I saw no sign of incompetence. Roger (talk) 12:13, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Didn't this happen in February as well? and In reagrds to your above request, are you referring to User:Maya Frida Barr/sandbox showing on the internet? -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:21, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * All pages are visible on the Internet. User subpages are indexed by search engines by default. You can avoid search engine indexing by placing NOINDEX or User sandbox on the page. It's still possible that the page will be copied by independent mirrors who don't use noindex. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:19, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Contacting the subject of an article
Some place in Wikipedia says how to go about contacting the subject of an article, such as to ask for a photo to use in the aritcle. I think the suggested text starts out as "I am an editor at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia." I can't find that Wikipeia: page. File:Ulama 37 (Aguilar).jpg has a copy of a letter written based on that Wikipeia: page. Please provide a link to the project page that says how to go about contacting the subject of an article, such as to ask for a photo to use in the aritcle. Thanks! -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:09, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Found it!: Example requests for permission -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:11, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Reverting page moves
Just a quick query. I was wondering if the facility to revert page moves has been disabled. There's a page move I'd like to revert because someone did it without discussion, but the (revert) on the page's log seems to have disappeared. Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:05, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Page moves are reverted by making a new move and choosing the old title. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:34, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * That doesn't appear to be working for me. It may be because the old page was subsequently redirected to something else. I've reverted that, but still can't undo the page move so I've posted a request. Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:43, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, if the redirect from a move has been edited since then the page can only be moved back by deleting the target and that requires an administrator. I have moved it back to Cheryl. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:14, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Mobile Wikipedia
I'm sure this has been mentioned before but why not provide mobile users the option to have white letters on a black background? For those devices with AMOLED it will reduce battery usage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.173.13 (talk) 13:13, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This is an interesting idea but it will require some community input prior to implementation. You should post your suggestion here, and see whether anyone is interested. -Thibbs (talk) 20:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

My edit keeps getting removed and shouldn't be
On the Lucas Oil Stadium page I want to add Moore Engineers P.C. and a reference to their sports page in the stadium box under service engineer. When I added it it was taken down the next day. This is factual information and i'm not sure why it would have been taken down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MEP Engineer (talk • contribs) 15:02, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It has already been explained to you on the talk page of your other username User talk:MooreEngineers that the infobox template does not have a paramater for "service engineer". You should also read WP:Spam Roger (talk) 15:22, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Also see our policy on usernames and Conflict of interest Arjayay (talk) 15:27, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Note that the user's previous user name, User:MooreEngineers has been blocked as a spamname. I will also report this one to WP:UAA.--ukexpat (talk) 15:42, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm trying to go about this the correct way. There is a parameter for service engineer. I was originally going to put it under MEP Engineer but since it's not a parameter I decided it fits just as well under Service Engineer and it still got removed.


 * Since the username was invalid I changed it like I was told to.


 * I'm not trying to promote a business I'm trying to get correct information on this page. There is a parameter for this type information for a reason and there are already other businesses listed. How am I promoting a business more than them?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MEP Engineer (talk • contribs) 16:05, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It is the effect of your edits that is the problem - adding the name of a non-notable (by Wikipedia's definition) firm, together with a link to their website, is spamming, especially when done by a user with a obvious conflict of interest.--ukexpat (talk) 16:25, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Also, here is a link to Lucas Oil's website. http://www.lucasoilstadium.com/about.aspx The engineering firms that were involved are listed under the facts and information link. If you would like to edit the page you can do it instead of me but there is nothing wrong with updating factual information. That is what Wikipedia is for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MEP Engineer (talk • contribs) 16:23, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I have the exact same problem w/my factual edits on another topic,19:04, 20 June 2012 (UTC)~paita — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paitalona (talk • contribs)


 * It isn't enough for edits to be "factual", they must follow all of Wikipedia's policies, particularly reliable sourcing. Without a reliable source, how does the reader know that the information is indeed "factual"?--ukexpat (talk) 00:25, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

What is a more reliable source than Lucas Oil Stadium's website? It lists all of the information I've been trying to post right on it and I included a link to it both on my post and just above. MEP Engineer (talk) 20:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

change of software
Can anyone answer me this question, does the copyright infraction stop you from changing the software of a device if the device is copyright protected??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.103.178.8 (talk) 15:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry we cannot give you legal advice.--ukexpat (talk) 15:48, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

about me
hi dr, im just want to know that i came from mauritius to england at 29 nov 2010 with some friends and i got 6 months visa from uk then with the uk visa i come from uk to belfast and belfast to dublin. i got a jobs here in a asian restaurant as i didnt know anything about visa or pps number i didnt try to apply one as i was new to europe. i was just listening to my friends as they told me to do but i didnt know that they were all just using me for money but now it has been 1 year and seven months and i dont have anything nor job. now i know all the truth about my friends they told me to leave the house till the end of the months. dont know what to do then i just ask help from a familly friend he just told me to go to the social welfare in dublin but im afraid if they deported me because i have come here to help my family and i do not wish to return empty hands that why i need your help... sorry my english is not too good but i try... please help me as soon as possible as i have only 10 days to move and not yet found anything... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harsh0303 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Consult a professional legal advisor. We cannot give legal advice. Roger (talk) 16:13, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You could look around for community groups, outreach centres, and even your local church may help.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:06, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

No email from either password/account information request or new account confirmation (already checked the spam filter)
I am the mail administrator at a small liberal arts college and we have had a few people report to us that they have not gotten any sort of communication from Wikipedia when requesting their login information or creating a new account. I have tested this myself and see no message come in, however when I check our spam filter (We use a Barracuda Networks Spam Firewall 400) which logs both accepted and blocked messages, but has no indication that any attempt at connection was ever made. I was hoping someone could investigate this on Wikipedia's end and see if there is some sort of error code that could explain what is happening. Since you will probably need our domain to test its centre.edu.

I can also confirm that emails from other external institutions and businesses are getting through. The issue is only with Wikipedia and all signs indicate it is not our system causing the issue. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.65.49.243 (talk) 16:04, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Contact us Does this page help?--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Emailing users may work as a test. Have 2 users email each other through wp? They need to have email activated in wp preferences.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

There wasn't much on the Contact Us page that seemed pertinent, other than the link to this helpdesk. I would test the email feature, but I doubt it works and I can't really get to it when our users can't get a confirmation message from Wikipedia when creating a new account. If you create a new account with a gmail address you will get the confirmation right away, but nothing to our system. I have checked and rechecked and find no attempts at connection to our mailserver from anything to do with Wikipedia which makes me think something on their end is either blocking us or broken. Is there something I missed on the Contact Us page that would allow me to get a hold of a Wikimedia employee who maintains their mail system? --Terawatt (talk) 19:40, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The mails are from wiki@undefinedwikimedia.org. I always receive them in seconds at both my addresses. It sounds unlikely to me that Wikimedia is systematically failing to send mails to centre.edu. Maybe they are intercepted somewhere before they reach you. An email address is not needed to read or edit Wikipedia. I have around 25,000 edits and very rarely use the email feature. You say gmail works for you. Hotmail works for me. See Comparison of webmail providers for other options for the occasions where users may need or want the email feature. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * And see Help:Using talk pages for the way users usually communicate here. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:12, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I tried sending Terawatt an email. It said you had it off in preferences. Village pump (technical) may be able to help. I had assumed they were on the contacts page, but don't seem to be.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I realize the absurdity of Wikimedia not able to send to centre.edu but able to sent to Gmail, but unfortunately that appears to be what is happening. We have nothing between us that would intercept the email, just our spam filter and I did a search for anything from wikimedia.org and had no results. However I just went into my profile to enable the option to allow emails from other users, but before doing so I changed a few other things. When I hit save I immediately got an email from Wikipedia. Perhaps there was something going on earlier that has since been corrected. I will contact one of our faculty members that was having issues and see if they are getting emails now.--Terawatt (talk) 01:31, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The faculty member will only get mail if somebody sends them one. Wikipedia and Wikimedia does not routinely send email to members. In all the years I've been active here (since 2007) I've received less than five emails from WP and/or WM. Roger (talk) 11:50, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Again, these were the confirmation emails you get upon creating your account or the one when you click "I forgot my password", not communications from other users. Whatever the cause, the issue has been resolved so you can consider this issue closed. --Terawatt (talk) 13:02, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

App creation
I have an amazing idea for an app for iphone/ipad/tablet. How can I go about getting it created? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.40.129 (talk) 16:29, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 16:45, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

How would you get some info on a person changed
Dear Sirs, I was wondering how would I get you to change some information you have on Ernest II Duke of Saxe-Coburg and gotha. See even though he had no ligitament children with his wife, he did have a mistess by the name of Anne Bennett that worked in the Queens home as a maid to the wardrobe maid. When the Queen would have her lavish parties as she was known to Ernest II Duke started consorting with Anne Bennett and she became pregnant with his bastard child. This childs name would be William Charles Bennett unable to take the Duke's name for many reasons. so what kind of info would you need to correct this. The Dukes name obviously could not be on the birth certification, William was born on June 27 1848 in Milborne Port, Somerset, England. Soon they would have to move to Canada.

Denise — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.54.162.130 (talk) 16:38, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You would need to find a source that meet the requirements of a reliable source as we use that term on Wikipedia.--ukexpat (talk) 16:44, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit Triggered a Filter to Warn Editors
Your edit has triggered a filter designed to warn editors, organisations and companies against using Wikipedia as an advertising medium

I have specific links of content that is hostory, research and event information that supports specific locations at the NJ Shore and I have received this notice.

An example of a link is below
 * Doo Wop at the New Jersey Shore

I think that the links meet the criteria under the following part of the External Link Policy - Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues — Preceding unsigned comment added by Visitnjshore (talk • contribs) 16:53, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * See WP:Spam, your username also violates our rules, see WP:SPAMNAME. Roger (talk) 17:09, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Username reported to WP:UAA.--ukexpat (talk) 17:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The Doo Wop link may well be accurate, but it is neither neutral nor relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Geoiplookup.wikimedia.org bugging me on every page.
I have a window is popping up on every single wiki page I visit to authenticate with http://geoiplookup.wikimedia.org. It is requesting a username and password even though I am already logged into my wikimedia account and every combination I've attempted doesn't work. After cancelling out enough, I can just look at the page like normal, until I click on a link, then it starts over. It is very annoying, any ideas how to fix? I'm using Firefox.

Cyllibi (talk) 17:59, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There's some information here about what it is, and some more at Village pump (technical)/Archive 82 about the same or a similar problem including an apparent kludgy way to put a band aid on it. If no one comes along with an answer, I'd try posting about this to the same page linked for the discussion above, the technical section of the village pump.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:22, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately these don't seem to resolve this specific issue. I tried blocking it via hosts; somehow it still comes up. Oh well, at least this at work and not at home. I can deal with being paid to click cancel each time the page loads hehe. --Cyllibi (talk) 00:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Donating the contents of a website to wikipedia
Hello I am the owner of the Johnny Winter Story website and would like to transfer the contents of the www.yee.ch/winter website to wikipedia. Unfortunately I do not have the time to accomplish this transfer. What i expect from you is to : - transfer the contents (text and photos) of this Johnny Winter website to wikipedia, within a given time frame. - you will be allowed to make editorial changes to textual contants. - Conditions - transfer is done in an agreed time frame - information may not be used for commercial purposes - to the best of my knlowedge all contents all information and photos are free of copyright - you will put a reference to me and the main contributors of my website

Please contact me via email to complete this transaction

Jima — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinylmeister (talk • contribs) 19:39, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for thinking of us, but all our text content much be freely-licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License which does not allow the terms you have in mind. The images you say are free of copyright do not appear to me to be, e.g., I highly doubt the album covers are free. We already have an article on Johnny Winter and while it may not have some of the material you have at your website, the material there is entirely uncited to independent reliable sources. We need to do that for our content so just "transferring it" would not work. We would need to take the text, rewrite it to fit with the existing content and for our style, find independent sources and cite them, and fold it in. This would not be an easy process. In fact, it would probably be easier to just look at the a website as a place to get ideas for missing material than it would be to transfer anything. All this would have to be done by a volunteer who wanted to do it—that is where all our material comes from. I don't think you realized that because the nature of your post indicates that you think there is some central authority that could and would comply with your requirements to take your material under your terms. That's a non-starter in light of what Wikipedia is and how it works (your tone is a little off too; your post is written in the form I would expect a demand to drop off a ransom would be, but I'll let that go).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:08, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

making a template in userspace?
am i allowed to make a template in my userspace, the reason i ask is often i am trying to point to wikipeida polcies lets say 3RR but i either cant be bothered to write it so it looks nice ie 3RR or i cant remember the policy of the topic of my head,

so i was hoping to make a template where i put say policy and i set if statements up that would then output the policy for example policycry and that then output Wikipedia is not a crystal ball i could also use it for common replies etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewcrawford (talk • contribs) 19:49, 20 June 2012‎
 * You're allowed. I've got a number of templates in my userspace. I don't think you'll succeed in saving keystrokes for this purpose though -- you'll need to type out the address to your template, ie. .   Equazcion  ( talk )  19:55, 20 Jun 2012 (UTC)
 * Having been intrigued by your suggestion I created ff. Use to create  . It saves you some keystrokes over , plus you don't have to type in caps as it automatically converts to uppercase. PS. The template name "ff" is just the first short unused template name I could find :)   Equazcion  ( talk )  20:19, 20 Jun 2012 (UTC)
 * Turns out f was also available, so I redirected it to ff. You can use the single "f" now.  Equazcion  ( talk )  20:29, 20 Jun 2012 (UTC)
 * cheers ill work on adding other policeis to it :) Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 21:51, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced (yet). This doesn't save many keystrokes, and ""text-transform:uppercase" only makes the parameter 'look' as if it is uppercase. Thus displays as a red link, , while   is a blue link RFO. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/H. J. High Construction
I wrote an article about H. J. High Construction that was accepted and published around June 5. However, when I google H. J. High Construction, my article does not show up. I realize this is probably not the place to have these questions answered, but I don't know where else to go for advice. So:

• Do you have any ideas on why my article does not appear on google? • Do you have any suggestions on how I can get my article to show up on google? • Is there some website or something where I can go to get answers to these questions and find out how to get my article on google?

I'd appreciate any help you can give me.

Thanks very much,

Dan McD D102653A (talk) 20:26, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The official answer is that we have no control over how and when Google updates, but in fact, I've often seen it show up in well under a day. It does show up, in a Google search, but not until the fourth page. This is also unusual, because Wikipedia articles usually show up higher on the list.


 * I thought it might be because it was no indexed, but that isn't the case. The search is pulling up the AFC page which is a redirect, which I think is part of the issue, but I can't tell you why. I've also seen articles appear down the list a bit, and move up over a couple days, so maybe it will move up, but this is longer than I would have expected.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  21:01, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Pissed off
SIR, I am angry and furious. Why, of why was my article deleted? Thank you SIR. --LopkanContrib (talk) 21:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Because it was utter and absolute bollocks. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:55, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * British Delehay Seinnally was rightfully deleted as a blatant hoax. Read the message at User talk:LopkanContrib and please don't add more nonsense to Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:55, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

The same thing happened to an article I wrote about my cat. There seems to be many cats that just eat, sleep, and chew clothes. I fought long and hard, created 100+ sock puppet accounts to fight deletion as well, but alas, wp killed my cat (article).--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:27, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd rather have an article on your cat actually.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:36, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Cat articles should not be fully deleted until they've first been deleted 8 times.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:39, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

My Cat Seems admin restored it?--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:56, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You should rename the article to BartholomeowLuigiPeterCAT. Then you can add material about the cat's religion and sexual orientation, assuming they self-identify, of course.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:02, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Creating a Merger proposal after nomination for deletion fails?
An article had been recently nominated for deletion but the result was keep. Would it be alright to make a merger proposal for it afterwards? 119.224.27.62 (talk) 21:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That may depend on the reason. If it is for personal reasons then the merge discussion will end up in wikidrama. I haven't got a clue what article you are talking about, but I have seen much time wasted battling over merges and splits after renames and deletes fail. That does not add much to the project.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:05, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikidrama? Btw if I do this would I be going against the consensus? since one had already been reached from the previous AfD ?119.224.27.62 (talk) 22:35, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No. If the consensus was to keep then it is kept. Merge would probably use the same arguments from both sides. It will probably end up in wikidrama then. If re-directs and wikilinks are created correctly, any reader should be able to find the info they seek no matter where others try to hide it or show it.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I kind of understand your answer a bit. Like the same posts/reasons would be posted by those who voted "Keep" in the previous AfD right? But how can opening a merger proposal end up as Wikidrama? Is it because some users would think that I'm being disruptive or have that perception that I wanted to get this article deleted by all means since my previous attempt failed? 119.224.27.62 (talk) 23:15, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I am just speaking from what I have seen: Talk:Luka Magnotta. If you open 'show' the Historic WP:AFD discussions at the top of the talk page you will see 4 failed AfDs and many arguments for re-name, split, merge etc. There seem to be two sides that just won't give up.--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That seems like a great example. Yeah, I got that feeling after I nominated an article for deletion. I got followed around Wikipedia when ever I tried to ask something in another talk page(they thought that I was canvassing support) regarding the AfD(since I still had some doubts that's why). But if I notify all the other WikiProjects whom the article is within the scope of then surely I may get a proper discussion where all sides of the party can agree and understand. Then again I may have to put this action on hold for now because I don't want a Wikidrama to arise. 119.224.27.62 (talk) 00:48, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Copyright
Hello,

Can i use a text from Wikipedia on another Wikipedia article i am creating?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dburtsev (talk • contribs) 21:54, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * See Copying within Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:57, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Major villages in Jalandhar District
Hi: Under " major villages in Jalandhar District", please include name of Village:

" Lidhran".

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.117.75.3 (talk) 22:58, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I cannot find the string "major villages" together with Jalandhar District in Wikipedia. If you refer to Category:Villages in Jalandhar district then it's a category and only shows Wikipedia articles. If you mean another page then please link to it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:25, 20 June 2012 (UTC)