Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 June 21

= June 21 =

How do I remove unjustified warnings that appeared at the last edit?
I received three warnings on the last edit, but none are true. How do I get the warnings removed? Caryn Davies The article is Caryn Davies as an Olympic rower; Caryn is my daughter; The article is correct accurate and true; it contains no non-factual information and no negative comments: "This article's tone or style may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia. Specific concerns may be found on the talk page. See Wikipedia's guide to writing better articles for suggestions."

"This article includes a list of references, related reading or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations. Please improve this article by introducing more precise citations." There are links to videos and articles for further reference; most apply to no particular statement. There is one bio reference at the bottom from USRowing. It applies to no particular line. The Wiki article has more (accurate) date than the bio.

Copyright-problem paste.svg "This article or section may have been copied and pasted from a source, possibly in violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Please remedy this by editing this article to remove any non-free copyrighted content and attributing free content correctly, or flagging the content for deletion." There is zero copying!!!!!!!!!! I wrote it all myself!!! DRPeterJDavies (talk) 03:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll remove the copy/paste template, but everything else is a concern, along with conflict of interest. Right now it's a mess of unsourced or inadequately sourced content, is improperly formatted, is clearly not neutral, and reads a lot like a press release....that was written by a subject's family member. Please read the links to guidelines before adding content to articles; that would help alleviate a lot of such situations. 99.156.68.118 (talk) 03:25, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * (ec) You have to be careful when you edit the article about your own daughter, due to a conflict of interest. You should discuss the issues above, plus any edits you would like to make, on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 03:26, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Good advice. And at least part of what you've added is a close paraphrasing, if not a direct copy, of this website bio . 99.156.68.118 (talk) 03:29, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * (e/c) Actually it's all true. There are tone issues; the article while not written as promotionally as some, includes material that does not belong in an encylcopedia article, Some of that improperly toned material is a copyright violation (so that tag is correct as well) and please note that surface changes in content does not insulate material from being a copyright violation. I refer specifically, at least at this time, to the last paragraph in the "College and On:" section, which is blatantly taken from http://www.usrowing.org/Pressbox/AthleteBios/CarynDavies.aspx with some minor rearrangement. Finally, it contains not one inline citation so that is true as well. I will now go remove the copyvio and unfortunately, where there's one, there's often more so I will look. I am aware that you may not have meant to plagiarize and violate copyright, but you have.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:36, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

The original poster's statement that he wrote the material himself and the other statements that it is copied from various websites might be true; the original poster may have written the material from the other website. If that is the case, the original poster must review any copyright agreement with the website to see if he retains copyright in the material. Also, in academic writing, when an author reuses material published elsewhere previously, the author is expected to cite himself. Some kind of notation of the situation would have to be placed in the citation. I doubt there is any conventional wording since most style guides assume a few authors rather than the dozens or hundreds of editors who contribute to a single Wikipedia article. Jc3s5h (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * If the original author retains some rights in the text, then they might be able to license it under a licence suitable for Wikipedia; but they would need to do so explicitly, as detailed in WP:IOWN: if the text has appeared on a website that doesn't explicitly release it under a suitable licence (or to the public domain), Wikipedia must assume that it is copyright and forbid its reuse in a Wikipedia article. --ColinFine (talk) 13:46, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Insert citation access date
On the "insert citation" button, how can I change the auto-generated access date to the "Month day, year" format? --William S. Saturn (talk) 08:53, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Copy the following to your vector.js page:


 * Assuming you're using RefToolbar 1.0 and not one of the later versions, I think that should do it... Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 12:12, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm using monobook rather than vector.--William S. Saturn (talk) 16:41, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

it worked in monobook.--William S. Saturn (talk) 06:51, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

A General George S. Patton, Jr. quote
HELLO I HAVE SEARCHED DOZENS OF PATTON QUOTE SITES WITH NO SUCCESS IN FINDING ONE QUOTE MADE BY HIM THAT I DESPERATELY NEED TO FIND. HERE IT IS PARAPHRASED: "It's what you do when you don't have to that makes you what you want to be when you can't do anything else." CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CHAPLAIN KERRY L. BULLS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.134.11.201 (talk) 09:54, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * First, please don't shout. Second, have you tried Wikiquote? – ukexpat (talk) 12:45, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

What should I do when I find an inactive user in HAU, project particpants, etc.
The main problem is when finding an HAU who has retired or took a long wikibreak (in terms of years) while forgetting or missing to turn his status of online. What should I do when I find one of them. V ani s che nu mTalk 11:31, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Usually a user is given wide latitude to manage their own userpage, but userpages are not owned by individual users and their main function is to help foster collaboration between wikipedians. If a former HAU that has been on a long wikibreak and hasn't turned off the "online" status then it seems to me that this negatively impacts collaboration by encouraging one-way communication without a response. So I would say that these users should be contacted regarding their statuses. After asking the editor whether they are still active or not and whether it would be OK for you to switch them to "offline", and after giving them a little time to answer, I think it would be fine for you can go ahead and do it yourself per WP:NOBAN. -Thibbs (talk) 20:36, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind and informative answer. V ani s che nu mTalk 19:21, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Picture of a famous person
I am working on updating the page of a famous person and he does not have a picture in his info box.

I see one picture that is typically used, on several different, separately owned and operated websites. Is it relatively safe to assume that this picture is ok to use? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.49.219.160 (talk) 13:00, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * No. Many web sites are less careful than Wikipedia about respecting copyright law. Maproom (talk) 13:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

A disambiguation problem encountered?
Have just encountered a problem not experienced before in relation, I presume, to disambiguation. I was trying to start a new page called 'Hobbs Quarry SSSI, Longhope' to document this site in Gloucestershire (England). There is apparently a 'Hobbs Quarry' page for a site in Somerset (England). This is a totally different location and perhaps its name should also clarify its precise location to avoid conflicts? How do I now deal with this to ensure work I do is up and saved for on-going development. I always set up the base source links first and publications etc. and sufficient paragraphs of narrative to start the article. Then I can continue this as 'work in progress'. The system appears 'unwilling' to allow me to start this page. Advice on this new experience gratefully received.Sjeans (talk)


 * Neither Hobbs Quarry SSSI, Longhope nor Hobbs Quarry SSSI appear to be protected from creation so you should be able to create the article at either of those titles. Then appropriate hatnotes can take care of the similar name issue per WP:TWODABS.--ukexpat (talk) 13:41, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your time. Was able to create the page, though previously I seemed to be going around in circles with the system repeatedly asking me to check. Expect it was me not reading the messages carefully enough.  Work in progress and thank you for the info/changes on hatnotes.  Something new learned.Sjeans (talk) 15:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Having looked more closely at WP:TWODABS, I think a disambiguation page may be appropriate here as the article at Hobbs Quarry is not clearly the primary topic. I'll go ahead and do the necessary. – ukexpat (talk) 16:44, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * OK I have moved the original Hobbs Quarry to Hobbs Quarry SSSI, Shepton Mallet and turned Hobbs Quarry into a disambiguation page.--ukexpat (talk) 16:58, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you once again. I think the moving of the original page 'Hobbs Quarry' to a name which includes its location is more informative for anyone searching for these SSSIs. Two distinct locations and both SSSIs is somewhat confusing and a little unusual.Sjeans (talk) 17:24, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Approval on photos?
I took a photo of Craig Horner two years ago but I'm not sure if I can use it in this article since I did not ask him for approval...is it nessesary?--Jsjsjs1111 (talk) 13:46, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's my understanding that you, as the photographer, own the copyright on this picture. Assuming you've never relinquished the copyright and are willing to release the photo under a CC-BY-SA licence, you should be good to go. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 13:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Did you take the photo as a professional photographer under contract to do so, or was it a photo taken in a public place/not under contract? If the former, the contract will specify who owns the copyright and any relevant personality rights, if the latter, you own the copyright and can upload it, preferably to Commons, using an appropriate license.--ukexpat (talk) 13:58, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Bill Meek
I was a student at U of H., and my thought is that Bill Meek left U H to coach at Wyoming .. not SMU as stated here. I also saw the first game U H played in Sept of 1946, as a returning veteran of World War II. Got my degree in 1948

C. L. Barlow Jr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.196.255.48 (talk) 15:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That section of the article has no source. Does Wyoming's website have a history section you can use as a source and then change the article to match? I will add a {cn} tag to it for now, if no one objects.--Canoe1967 (talk) 15:46, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * http://www.smumustangs.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/greatest-moments-57.html I found a source for SMU and added to the first mention.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:52, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Seek a sincere opinion.
Hello everyone. I am here to seek a sincere opinion on a matter, that unnecessarily seems to put two of Wikipedia Editors to a conflict. THe problem is that I want to create an article on Central Institute for Cotton Research. I have put secondary sources besides covering information from all the possible sources which can be found. However, dear User:ConcernedVancouverite, has redirected my page to another page twice. Each time, I had tried to improve upon the article as much as possible. Rephrased, added more sources, expanded but still he cites the reason that the article has no notability to exist as a separate page. You can see the page which I have created at my sub page here User:Vivek_Rai/Central_Institute_for_Cotton_Research while the page to which It has been redirected is Indian Council of Agricultural Research. I request sincere members here for a neutral, unbiased review of the situation. There are some questions I would like to ask. Please answer in positive as well as negative sense. I shall be obliged.
 * Q 1. Why is the article non notable?

My View: The sources are from reputed newspapers and at the same time, the activities of the institute aren't such that it would remain in the news all around the year. After all It is an Educational cum Research Institute.
 * Q 2. Does the article really lacks content to exist as separate article?

My View: Though the article operates under supervision of Indian Council of Agricultural Research, it carries out projects and research activities in an indirect autonomous manner. That is, the former supervising council just serves as body of approval or disapproval and does not directly command activities of the latter.

Kindly, Help me out of the situation. I do not wish to engage into any conflict with other user, because I think he has major contribution and sincerity towards Wikipedia. I have also received numerous warnings by him. Thanks again. VIVEK RAI : Friend?  15:54, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would suggest re-pasting the article a third time and asking the other editor in the edit summary to put it up for regular deletion consensus and not the unilateral one they have done twice. Then you should get more input on RS and notability.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:02, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

It looks like a good article to me. R. Handeler (talk) 22:48, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

need help
My page is called Andi ali how do i changed the a in ali to a capital A — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanji31 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The arrow beside the 'star' button between search and history. 'Move' will move it to the new page name. You should move the talk page the same way.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:40, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hanji31 is not autoconfirmed yet and does not have the move tab. I have moved it to Andi Ali but it risks being deleted. Try to satisfy the requirements at Notability (people). PrimeHunter (talk) 18:51, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Odd IW link
Hiya. I found this one diff on a temple I use on my userpage. For some reason, an IW link appears leading to fa:الگو:کاربر_ویکی‌پروژه_عکاسی. I'm not sure who this user is, and I'm not sure what added that link. Anybody have an idea? Thanks, --  T H F S W  (T · C · E) 18:57, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Fixed in . PrimeHunter (talk) 19:18, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! --  T H F S W  (T · C · E) 19:53, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Ref name tool
hello,

is there a tool which removes redundant "ref=name"? It might be useful for Svetlana Kuznetsova to reduce the size. Regards.-- GoP T C N 19:06, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Requesting aid in renaming category
Hi, can someone help me rename Category:Novels about rape to something like Category:Rape in literature? Thanks.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 19:36, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * "Novels about X" is the common name form in Category:Novels by topic. "Rape in literature" doesn't sound like a category of novels to me. See Categories for discussion if you want to suggest a rename. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:43, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Also Category:Novels about rape is a subcategory of Category:Rape in fiction, which also includes things like movies. Now whether that is correct (Novels about rape could include autobiographical descriptions), is a different story.Naraht (talk) 19:54, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Clock Display
At the top of Wikipedia pages, there are the links to my personal pages, and a clock display. My problem is, that the clock is an hour slow. On the page My preferences>date and time, the Time Offset says:

Server time:	19:50 Local time:	20:50 Time zone: Europe/London

I suspect this problem may be related to British Summer Time being one hour different to Greenwich Mean Time, but I cannot see any way to set this.

Please can you help ? Many thanks, Frank. Darkman101 (talk) 20:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Have you tried tweaking the "time offset" here? -Thibbs (talk) 20:25, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The clock gadget is always UTC time— I don't know of any way to change it. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 20:26, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

How do I add a task force tag to an article's talk page?
I'm a member of a recently-created task force, the Umpires task force, which is a subproject of WikiProject Baseball. What I've noticed is that all task forces have a tag that they can add to relevant articles' talk pages. For example, the San Diego Padres task force can add:

to any article's talk page, and the talk page will display, "This article is supported by WikiProject San Diego Padres (marked as High-importance)."

My question is, how do I make this possible for the umpires task force as well? It doesn't work to simply type in "|umpires=yes" the way it does for the Padres. Thanks. Delaywaves &bull;&#32; talk  20:14, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * A modification will need to be made to WikiProject Baseball for it to accept the task force. Ryan Vesey Review me!  20:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

|tf 9= |TF_9_LINK          = WikiProject Baseball/Umpires task force |TF_9_NESTED        = Umpires
 * That should do the trick. I'll make an edit request for you. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  20:21, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, there will be quite a few more edits needed for everything to be modified. You can try making the change in the sandbox, otherwise ping me on my talk page so I remember to do it in a couple of hours (probably around 4). Ryan Vesey  Review me!  20:24, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and made the edit request, it did require quite a bit more work (since I wanted to keep the task forces and the projects separate). I also went ahead and made all of the categories for the project.  Let me know if I can be of any more assistance. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  04:13, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Best way forward with regards a major dispute involving multilpy editors
ok i wont mention the article/articles just now but i am looking for the best way forward to get a wider community discussion outside of the articles main project areas, so getting editors who are not familiar with the type of thing to review the arguments and sources and give a non bias viewed so that a cones-us on this issue can be derived on the subject, as just now a cones-us can not be reached. The major problem is there is a lot of POV pushing, and sort of vandalism of the article/articles to make it look how some users want it to, i personally agree on both sides of the situation, but the sources are very conflicting, some support one side of the argument others support the other side there no way to conceiver get a right answer i suggested having the article represent both sides with source referenced so the article is not taking a side but neither side want that they want it one way or the other. Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 21:11, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Your first step should be to review WP:DISPUTE. There are several ways to resolve disputes ranging everywhere from talk-page discussion to Third Opinions to Requests for Comment and Mediation. The proper way to resolve disputes is to start with low-level dispute resolution and to work your way up as needed. The basic idea is to minimize the creation of bad blood between editors while achieving a high level of consensus. -Thibbs (talk) 21:20, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * uncomfortably i think it will need to be a RFC or mediation because the topic is sensitive. the articles are Rangers F.Cand The Rangers Football Club Ltd (this one is also up for afd) and revolves around the fact rangers fc are to be liquidated and the rangers football club ltd are taking over form the plc, but rival fans want it to be two articles so they can make a mockery of the demise of such a big club, and rangers fan want it to remain the same so they can keep there history and make it look like the club is not dissolved. the problem lies with press statement from liquidators, administrators, different news agencies etc they all say different things and there also people interruptions of what i means. As some sources say the rangers fc plc ie the company is getting liquidated only and the club transfer to the new the rangers football ltd company so preserving it history, some say the club is getting liquidated, and some say the club and company are serperate entities this is only one of the disputes Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 21:32, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If that's what it takes, that's what it takes. I hope all goes well as you move toward consensus. -Thibbs (talk) 21:43, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured articles
Hi - as they change over time and content gets disputed - how do I request a review of an articles FA article status - You  really  can  21:28, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Post at WP:FAR. -Thibbs (talk) 21:46, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm - thank you - You  really  can  22:00, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

publishing your sandbox content
Hi it may seem like a basic question. I have been working in the sandbox creating a wiki page for the project coral rekindling venus. When I save the content it does not then appear in Wikipedia. Can you tell me what I am doing wrong or direct me to the correct area of homework for helpCoral Rekindling Venus (talk) 21:50, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You can shift the page by clicking "move" from the dropdown menu at the top (to the right of "view history"). You should be aware, though, that Wikipedia has serious rules concerning material that is considered overly self-serving or promotional in nature. There are also strong rules concerning editors with a Conflict of Interest regarding trhe subject material. I would maybe try to rework your article and possibly seek some outside views on it prior to moving it into mainspace or there is a high likelihood that it will be deleted. -Thibbs (talk) 22:12, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Any page which begins "A major work ..." should almost certainly not be in Wikipedia without a complete rewrite. See WP:PEACOCK. --ColinFine (talk) 23:57, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The text is directly copied from various subpages at coralrekindlingvenus.com, which does not appear to be released under a free licence. I have therefore tagged the sandbox for deletion as a copyright violation. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 07:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

is the wiki site down
Hi, I'm trying to get to my home page at http://rdl.nwss.net it will not load. What can I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.202.199 (talk) 21:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This is Wikipedia. We have no affiliation with the Wiki at rdl.nwss.net. I would try searching for their contact information at their website. Good luck. -Thibbs (talk) 22:14, 21 June 2012 (UTC)