Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 June 22

= June 22 =

problems with photo on foreign wikipedia
Hi I work for Patricia Cornwell and I need to change her picture that is shown on many foreign wiki's http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fi%C8%99ier:Patricia_Cornwell_2011_b.jpg On the english version of the page there is a button to upload a new image but on this page there is not and I'm not sure what the next step is to get this changed. Can anyone point me in the correct direction please? I would like the US picture to link to all foreign countries if that is possible. Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peppermint62 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The photo is actually hosted on Commons, which is the right place to host a picture usable on multiple projects.


 * Go to the Commons page here and you will see the button to upload a new version.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  00:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Clarification - I thought you had uploaded the original image but were now trying to upload a newer version - I now see that this isn't the case, so do not follow my advice to upload over the prior image. The image you want to use apparently has been uploaded, so it should be moved to Commons, along with an email to OTRS verifying the permission.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  11:27, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by "I need to change her picture"? Is there a legal problem with the current picture or do you just prefer another picture? If there is no legal problem and the new picture isn't an improved version from the same occasion 1 April 2011 in Paris then you should upload a new picture under a new name. Editors of each wiki can choose which picture to use. Subjects or people working for them don't control Wikipedia content. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:48, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * In addition to the other answers, please read the guidance for editing with a conflict of interest RudolfRed (talk) 00:51, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Thank you for your help. I will upload the different image, Can you tell me how to find the editor of the wiki itself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peppermint62 (talk • contribs) 01:46, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Anyone may edit Wikipedia, so there is no one "editor". Can you clarify your question? RudolfRed (talk) 03:21, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * What wiki? Do you mean the encyclopedia article about Patricia Cornwell?  Hundreds of people have contributed to that article on English Wikipedia, and likely hundreds more in various other languages.  If you want a complete list of all of the people who have contributed, you can click the "History" tab at the top of the paqe while reading the article.  If you have suggestions for improving the article, you can do so at the "Talk:" page of the article.  Simply click "talk" while viewing the article, and suggestions can be made there.  -- Jayron  32  03:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe that Peppermint62 is interested in replacing the image of Patricia Cornwell that is being used on foreign language Wikipedias (File:Patricia Cornwell 2011 b.jpg at Commons) with the image that is currently being used on the English Wikipedia (File:Patriciacornwell.jpg). It would be necessary to copy the English Wikipedia image to Commons, but first the copyright status of the image should be assessed. It looks as if TeaDrinker advised Peppermint in 2009 of the procedure for licensing the photo.  Gobōnobo  + c 07:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: Suppose the is no chance in expecting Peppermint62 to donate to the WMF in return for your help in getting her salary paid?  At this rate we will put Yellow page, Craigslist  and all  other similar websites out of business --Aspro (talk) 18:39, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Everyone, I want to thank you all for the honest feedback, I am indeed a COI editor and have been watching the English version of Patricia Cornwell's page for years and I have only made edits related to legal issues, insults, typos and the photo. I do realize that many people have edited the page but one of the feedback comments suggested that each wiki page had a specific admin editor which I had never heard of before so I asked.... I have submitted an email for approval to upload the photo to the Commons to see if I can change it on the other pages. I've learned a lot from your feedback and I have indeed made a donation to WMF. Thank you again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peppermint62 (talk • contribs) 13:53, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

disambiguity page
what do I do if I want to write a disambiguity page, about a name shared by several people, two of the characters for example. both have the same profession, born the same year?--89.249.2.53 (talk) 06:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You can add their death years, if applicable (e.g. John Smith (1842-1899) and John Smith (1842-1901)). You could also use their middle names (e.g. John Augustus Smith and John Octavius Smith). To which two people are you referring? Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 07:08, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Good advice, thanks. Fabledlands2 (talk) 07:04, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Help with photo copyright status
Hi guys, could anyone help me on how to provide a valid and suitable copyright tag for a photo I uploaded to wikimedia commons. The photo is found here... File:Project Triangle - Homotopia 2009.jpg I'm totally confused by the copyright information you have to provide but I believe this is free to use in the pblic domain... Thankyou Richie wright1980 (talk) 13:31, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The creator of the photograph is listed as Tim Brunsden. You would need to supply evidence that he has released the picture into the public domain if you believe this to be the case. The original source does not appear to indicate this. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 13:38, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, the image was found here http://project-triangle-film.blogspot.co.uk/2009/09/weve-arrived.html It does not state anything about being copyright so I assumed it was OK to use... Richie wright1980 (talk) 13:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As a rule of thumb, it's better to assume that things are subject to copyright unless you have specific information to the contrary. You could go to the trouble of emailing the photographer to request he release the picture under a suitable licence, but I'm not sure the picture is even necessary - the article Homotopia Liverpool (festival) is liberally illustrated with images already, overloaded with them, in fact, and many of them don't have any direct relevance to the festival. It would be preferable to include the information about Project Triangle in the text, and get rid of the picture entirely, in my view. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 13:48, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks, took your advice, added text and removed photo. Richie wright1980 (talk) 13:59, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I want my deleted page deleted entirely
Robert S. Prattico

I created a page "Robert S. Prattico" to honor a poet who had been recently published. It contained copyright registration - which places the work in the library of congress. That is notable. still it was deleted.

I google searched this poet's name and your wiki page that said that the page was deleted came up. This is disrespectful to the poet. I would like the page that said that the page was deleted to be removed immediately.

It is not fair that the page cannot exist due to your guidelines, but still exist as a "page that was deleted"....

please delete the entire "this page was deleted" page off your site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exitblur (talk • contribs) 14:13, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You are probably referring to the deletion log - I am afraid that we cannot delete that, but the next time Google's indexing spiders do their thing, its index should be updated to remove it from Google's search results.--ukexpat (talk) 14:34, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

The deletion log can not be removed, however no one should see from the outside. Grter1 (talk) 04:56, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I suspect that Google's search results still show the article as existing, but when you click on the link, it takes you to the redlinked page above, which shows the deletion log for that page.--ukexpat (talk) 14:07, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. It is still insulting and not good for the character/online visibility of the Author for people who are searching for him because of his published book to see a deleted page on wikipedia. It is not fair that it has to remain in deletion and that when people search for his name and/or books, it comes to a wiki's deleted site. I petition that it be removed from wikipedia entirely. I would have never tried to create a page for him on wikipedia if I knew that his work would be treated this way. Please remove all trace of "Robert S. Prattico" from your site.
 * Presumably you're talking about the whole "02:36, 20 June 2012 The Bushranger (talk | contribs | block) deleted page Robert S. Prattico (A7: Article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)" page that now is there instead of the article, and I'm afraid there is no way to remove that page, there is nothing we can do about it. Perhaps you should have read our policies about notability and verifiability and some of the many help pages about creating your first article before creating it in the first place-- Jac 16888 Talk 12:38, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

oldest woman on earth
my friend's great great grand mother just died in Nigeria few days ago and she was 162years. which makes her the oldest woman to have lived on earth? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Age162 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Er....no, note the word "verified"....--ukexpat (talk) 14:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The oldest known person whose age can be reliably verified died in 1997 at the age of 122 years - see oldest person. So if your friend's great great grandmother lived to be 162 years old this would make her older than this record by an incredible margin of 40 years. With all respect to your friend and their family, most people will be very sceptical about such an astonishing claim. Gandalf61 (talk) 14:44, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Managing Pain
-- Jac 16888 Talk 19:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * But this is the Help Desk.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:22, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

page translation
Hi,
 * I only speak English and would like to read a page that I found by search that is in German. How can I do this? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bersenbr%C3%BCck

Thanks, gene — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.137.131.48 (talk) 21:12, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The English language version is Bersenbrück. Dru of Id (talk) 21:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

The German version has way more information, but thanks for that. Now how do I do it?

gene — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.137.131.48 (talk) 21:24, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * http://translate.google.ca/ can translate whole web pages as well. I don't know how reliable it is. --Canoe1967 (talk) 21:25, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Google translate is quite reliable! Electriccatfish2 (talk) 21:26, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * But before anyone gets any ideas, not that reliable (example), so please don't try to create article using it-- Jac 16888 Talk 21:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's also far better at some languages than others. For example it's pathetic at translating Japanese.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note also that it is not reliable per se. Citing a Google Translated version of a page on de.wikipedia as a source is still considered a circular ref. Google Translate can be used very effectively (even with Japanese in my experience) but you have to be aware of its vagaries. I find it works best to use more than one auto-translator in parallel. With Japanese, for example, I use three. -Thibbs (talk) 21:53, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay guys, we are getting a bit off topic here. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 22:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I often translate German articles to English, but the aforementioned one has too less in-line citations, so probably won't do that.-- GoP T C N 08:37, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Reference syntax at Mylène Farmer discography
Hi. I noticed the following reference syntax used on the Mylène Farmer discography article:

What is the effect of the "#"? Is there a different/better way to code this reference so that it is possible to determine more about the source? Thanks in advance for any assistance that can be provided. GFHandel &#9836; 23:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The # is used for a wikilink to something that's in the same article in which the link appears—that is, it's equivalent to the link Mylène Farmer discography that would be used in another article. (For instance, if I wanted to link to the thread on this page immediately above this one, I could create a link of the form the page-translation thread, and it would appear as the page-translation thread.) In the case of Mylène Farmer discography, it takes the reader to the entry in the "References" section that gives the full bibliographic information for the book that's cited in short form in the "Notes" section. See Help:Shortened footnotes for more information about this style of referencing. Deor (talk) 00:07, 23 June 2012 (UTC)