Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 March 12

= March 12 =

Nanban(Film)
dear wiki admin,

pls update nanban (tamil film) total collection... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.194.180.163 (talk) 02:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Please be bold and fix any errors you see. RudolfRed (talk) 04:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

technical trouble with mobile site.
on the wikipedia mobile site, there is no longer a "go" or "search" button on the search bar, and now the search bar is inoperable. I tried the mobile version for older devices but get the same result. I hope I am reporting this problem in the right place as I could not find a link for directly reporting technical errors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.216.162.59 (talk) 02:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about the official mobile site, it has a go button on the search bar when I look at it. You can also press enter when the cursor is in the search box.  -- N  Y  Kevin  @873, i.e. 19:57, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Table of contents numbering
Please see the example of my attempt. I tried to number the 'see also section' in the table of contents, but the sub-section added subsections. Is there a way to sub it just in the TOC?--Canoe1967 (talk) 02:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * in this edit - bulleted lists are standard for See also sections.--ukexpat (talk) 03:00, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was hoping to have the sub fields show in the TOC, but I don't think that can be done.--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Individual article links from the See also section should not be shown in the TOC. It would be possible with a custom made TOC instead of the automatically created, but it shouldn't be done. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:07, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Understood. I will leave as is. Thanks all for assisting.--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Historic math error.
How many days between May 24 and Sept 4? History has it as 104 days for the article that I am working on. Talk:Centennial_Voyageur_Canoe_Pageant I do hope the error is in my math, as history lists the trip as 104 days.--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It depends whether you count Day 1 as the start on May 24, or when a day has passed on May 25. It appears all counts at your link except Day 1 use the latter system. User:Canoe1967/Centennial Voyageur Canoe Pageant is the correct place to work on a draft. An article talk page should not be created before the article. It could be deleted at any time per Criteria for speedy deletion. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:54, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, don't sign in the Edit summary box. ~ has no effect there. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If I count May 24 as day 0 then my total is 102 days and I am short yet another day. I will check my math again. As to signatures, I am now assuming that articles should be signed in the edit summary and talk pages only signed after the comments made.--Canoe1967 (talk) 04:32, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, I was wrong again. Seems I only should sign in the comment area. All edits are auto-logged anyway, and summary box is just for edit notes.--Canoe1967 (talk) 05:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, sign talk pages at the end of your comments, and you don't need to sign an edit summary at all - this information is added automatically. As for your initial math problem, I'll leave you to figure it out - I always seem to get this wrong. :( AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:10, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Math problem solved? May 24 is day 1, Sept 4 is day 103. 103 + 1 = 104? The reason I would like it historically accurate is because I hope to plot the days graphically on a map of Canada to illustrate the great distance they went in such a short time. Signatures; I hope my log isn't the only new user one with a bunch of silly tildes in it.--Canoe1967 (talk) 05:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd not worry about the signature thing too much - even after a year and a half, I still forget to sign far too often. As for the article, it looks to me to have real potential: encyclopaedic, and interesting. Keep up the good work. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Your math is off. If May 24 is day 1 then September 4 is day 104. If May 24 is day 0 then September 4 is day 103. There is no way to get 102. We actually have a template which can compute it at age in days: 103 days gives 103 days. This is with 1967-5-24 being day 0: gives . As I said, all counts at your link except Day 1 use the system where Day 1 is May 25. Talk:Centennial_Voyageur_Canoe_Pageant starts: "Day 1 Rocky Mountain House - May 24. Day 3 Edmonton - May 27". These two are inconsistent. Your Day 3 and all later days are consistent with eachother if May 24 is Day 0. I have seen several other users sign their edit summaries. Don't worry about it. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:10, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There is scope for misunderstanding here. If you ask me "how many days are there between Monday and Wednesday?", I answer "one". However, if you ask me "a trip started on Monday and ended on Wednesday, how many days did it take?", I answer "three". The former way of asking gives "102" for Canoe1967's question. Maproom (talk) 15:07, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I am fearing the worst then. All historic sources that I have found (over 10) state the race started on May 24, ended on Sept 4 and took 104 days. Was it in fact 103?--Canoe1967 (talk) 15:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * 104 days corresponds to three days in Maproom's post: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday for start Monday and end Wednesday. If they raced both on May 24 and September 4 then it makes sense to say 104 days, especially if they ended later in the day on September 4 than they had started May 24. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:56, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Math works, I am starting the main article. May 24 inclusive of May 27 is 4 days.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

How to edit the factually incorrect article: Original Rainbow Coalition (Fred Hampton)
How do I become a participant so I can make corrections based on historical knowledge? The referenced article has a lot of errors, beginning with the genesis of the original Rainbow Coalition and the original participating organizations. (I was a part of this process, but only a bit player. However, I did have a 'walk-on' part in the documentary 'American Revolution 2' (AR2), which chronicled part of the story.) The genesis of the idea was Charles 'Chuck' Geary, then Director of the TriFaith Employment Project - Uptown Center*, and head of the Uptown Area People's Planning Coalition (UAPPC), which was a coalition of several local community-based organizations, including Voice of the People (VOP), Young Patriots Organization, a Native American organization - whose name I can't recall - headed by Kathy Ryker, and 2 - 3 others. I do not believe the Young Lords and/or the Black Panthers were part of the original UAPPC-formed coalition, but both groups certainly were allies. The original Rainbow Coalition buttons were hand-painted - in red, black, brown, yellow and white - on political campaign buttons. Some of these facts can be checked out through Brooks Miller (then director of Uptown Center Hull House, where other portions of AR2 was filmed) or Irene Hutchison, then with VOP. (There are probably other inaccuracies in the article that a line by line would uncover.)

Peace R L F 71.57.90.132 (talk) 06:00, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * All material must be sourced from reliable published sources that can be checked, "I was there" is not verifiable by a third party. If the film is available in a library or other public accessible collection somewhere you are welcome to cite it as a source. Also take care that your personal involvement in the event is a source of a conflict of interest so be careful that your edits are from a neutral point of view, Wikipedia may not be used to promote any cause or agenda. Please follow the links to read the relevant policies and guidelines. Roger (talk) 06:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think there is a way to add a 'dubious/contested' tag to a cited fact. Any fact that isn't cited you should be able to add a 'citation needed' tag to text in question. Someone more experienced than I may help point in the right directions on this.--Canoe1967 (talk) 06:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I just read Talk:Rainbow Coalition (Fred Hampton), and it seems the user that created most of the article would like more facts and verification etc.--Canoe1967 (talk) 07:16, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * is the template. Dru of Id (talk) 11:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If information is uncited and you know it's wrong just remove it. Quoting Jimbo, "I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that ... pseudo information is to be tagged with a "needs a cite" tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced."  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 12:06, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Admin may want to see this log
I am not sure how it should be dealt with. Could be just a user that is confused as to what wikipedia is. I just deleted another entry of theirs. Special:Contributions/Ameulen

--Canoe1967 (talk) 08:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * might be the same person. They seem to have the same habit of adding personal commentary in the article space.  All of it has been safely reverted, but maybe some guidance or a warning on their user page(s) would be helpful.  Astronaut (talk) 09:56, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that guidance may be needed, just not sure how nor who should do it.--Canoe1967 (talk) 10:00, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Can't remember a song
I can't remember the name of a song (or who sings it). The chorus contains, "Teach me, Lord, in the ways of the wise. Teach me, Lord, in the ways. Oh-oh. In the ways of the wise." It came out in the 1980s, I think. It is obviously a Christian song. Thanks! Allen (talk) 10:32, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * According to this, it's Teach Me Thy Way, O Lord by Benjamin Mansell Ramsey. But next time, these types of questions should be asked at the Reference desk.  Dismas |(talk) 10:36, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but that is not it. It is not a hymn. It is a Contemporary Christian music song. Allen (talk) 20:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The Reference Desk is the appropriate place to pursue this further. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 20:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

How do you refind the BOOK that you made from articles?
Yesterday I started to create a BOOK with articles about India. Now I want to continue with my book, but can't find it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marjetgunning (talk • contribs) 10:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The only edit in youir history is this Help Desk message, which means one of two things has happened. Either you created the book under a different account (in which case, log in to that account, check the "My contributions" link at the top right, and you should find it there). More likely, you did not save the book, in which case I'm sorry to say that you will need to create it again from scratch. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 11:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * For reasons I don't understand, users are only allowed to save books once they have become confirmed. Normally this happens once an account has been registered for four days and has made ten edits. This rule frequently trips up editors who try to create a book. To avoid this delay you can ask for "confirmed" status at Requests for permissions/Confirmed. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:37, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Confirmed or autoconfirmed? Those are different, right? RudolfRed (talk) 19:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * They have the same effect, but the one that an admin can give you is "confirmed", and the one that the software gives you after 4 days + 10 edits is called "autoconfirmed". -- John of Reading (talk) 19:57, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Collapsing elements of a table
I'm using my to-do list to play with collapsible tables. It's looking OK, but what I was hoping to do was have each sub-heading ("Improve / clean up", "Write / expand" etc) collapse independently. I want the fully collapsed table to show all the headings and nothing else. Is this possible? ~ Kimelea (talk) 12:48, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think you can create a table where it shows each heading only when totally collapsed, but you can create collapsible tables within the table, so when the outer table is not collapsed, it'll show just the headings for each collapsed inner table. It will look like this:

--Mysdaao talk 16:22, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * So then I make the outer table a non-collapsible one, and the headings will always show. That will do me nicely! Many thanks! :) ~ Kimelea (talk) 17:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! --Mysdaao talk 20:00, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Good Lists
If we have Good Articles and Featured Lists, why are there no Good Lists? Inter change  able | talk to me  16:05, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It has been discussed before (Village pump (proposals)/Archive 62 & Village pump (proposals)/Archive 64) but no one acted on it further. Dru of Id (talk) 17:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Request page move - Opus interrasile
Hello, Opus interassile should be Opus interrasile (per Latin etymology, as well as the British Museum & Metropolitan Museum of Art documents on page); please could someone move this page, thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Moved. Would it not let you do it? - David Biddulph (talk) 17:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I thought you had to be an administrator to do this; prompted by you I have just found out you don't have to be, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 17:22, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * No, we mere mortals are allowed to do it, providing that there aren't complications to stop us. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:58, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Charles Viracoloa's Birth date
The article on charles viracola states he was born in 1973 which is factualy untrue. It ould have to be more like 1963, since I attended high school with him and was born in 1963. So he would be around 48, not 38. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.209.226.132 (talk) 16:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I have reverted an unexplained and unsourced edit in 2010 which changed the DoB in the article (Charlie Viracola) from 1963 to 1973, but do you have a reliable source for his date of birth? - David Biddulph (talk) 17:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Errors in Oklahoma Corporation Commission article
The article states Oklahoma corporation commissioners are not subject to term limits. They are limited to two, six-year terms. See Oklahoma Constitution, Article 9, Section 15(B), reachable through www.oscn.net.

The article states Bob Anthony is chairman. Dana Murphy is chair. See www.occeweb.com.

The article says the agency has "over 400" employees. It has between 385 and 395 on any given day. That information is not available on a website, but I have that information from agency budget information by virtue of serving as the agency's general counsel and legislative liaison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atevington (talk • contribs) 17:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This information should be posted on the talk page of the article in question, not here. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  17:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

"Wikimania 2012" link opens in current tab even when using "open link in new tab".
When clicking the "Wikimania 2012 is July 12-15 in Washington, D.C." link, the linked page opens in the current tab even if you middle click (or right click and "open link in new tab"). I am on OSX 10.7.2, and have observed this issue on both Google Chrome 17 and Safari 5.1.2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.153.221.84 (talk) 17:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Where are you clicking on the link? I would suggest WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:41, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Getting someone to upload an image file that is an organization logo for an unconfirmed account
Help with 'Family Coalition Party of Ontario' wikipedia page The party logo displayed is the wrong one http://www.familycoalitionparty.com Would like to upload proper logo but account unconfirmed Need someone else to upload image for me or help in learning how to get account confirmed SillyCica (talk) 19:11, 12 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SillyCica (talk • contribs) 19:10, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Such requests are usually dealt with at Files for upload.--ukexpat (talk) 19:16, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Attention parameter?
When is it appropriate to mark the attention parameter in a WikiProject banner with "yes"? I can't find anything on "articles requiring immediate attention" in the project or elsewhere. - Purplewowies (talk) 20:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you provide a link to a page where such a banner appears? Otherwise I fear I do not understand what specific parameter you are talking about and where. -- Toshio Yamaguchi  (tlk−ctb) 12:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Specifically, I'm wondering about when to mark an article under the scope of Wikiproject Novels with a "yes" on the aforementioned parameter. The banner template can be found at Template:WikiProject Novels and the wording that marking the "attention" parameter "yes" produces can be found under "more information" on the example that is displayed on that page. - Purplewowies (talk) 00:38, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ...Maybe I'll just ask over at the project itself. :P (The option of doing that hadn't even occurred to me.) - Purplewowies (talk) 00:38, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah that parameter produces that yellow square with the exclamation mark. The documentation of that parameter at Template:WPBannerMeta says that if "...ATTENTION_CAT – if defined, all articles displaying the attention note will be categorised into Category:ATTENTION_CAT. By default, they are categorised into Category:PROJECT articles needing attention. Eg: Floridiae taskforce articles needing attention → Category:Floridiae taskforce articles needing attention. A value of none results in no categorisation." Thus I believe you would only set that parameter to yes if you have a group of people checking Category:ATTENTION_CAT (whatever has been defined as the name for that category) and want to have a specific article appear in that category. I have never used that feature myself and I don't know how effective that method is. Personally I would probably rather drop a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels than using the attention parameter as I believe generally more people check a WikiProject talk page than some obscure category (at least I have never used the attention parameter, neither to draw attention to a particular page, nor have I ever responded to it, but I don't have any reference data to check whether my behavior regarding those methods for getting attention is normal editor behavior or not). I might live behind the moon in this respect, I don't know. -- Toshio Yamaguchi  (tlk−ctb) 12:51, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello
I have a company wikipedia page that I would like to edit. The page was being vandalized a lot so it was locked down. I would like to get the page fixed and set up so only one person can log into it and change it. Any help would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.38.25.174 (talk) 21:09, Today (UTC+0)


 * do you mean on this ikipedia site??? if so i dnt think you can, if it on your own company website with wiki software i think you need to read the document to find out if it possible or contact the company who maeks the softwware which i think it is mediawiki-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 21:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * That isn't the way that Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit (provided that they stick to Wikipedia's policies).  If you want a page that's under your control, you'll need to host it on your own website, not on Wikipedia. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:24, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * And if you would like corrections made to a protected page, you can post those corrections (with your sources) on the talk page for the article in question. Using the edit protected template will help draw an admin's attention to the fixes that need to take place.  Dismas |(talk) 23:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Now What
I nominated a user page for speedy deletion based on the following criteria: 1. It is a recreation of an article that was previously deleted 2. It is promotional in nature 3. It appears to be an attempt at link building.

The User is: User:Angel_Medflight

since I have nominated, it doesn't appear that anything has been done. Did I do something wrong? or if I'm out of line please let me know.

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdflyer (talk • contribs) 22:22, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Your nomination was reverted as a test edit because you nominated Angel Medflight instead of User:Angel Medflight, and were misunderstood. Dru of Id (talk) 22:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Renomination could include WP:STALEDRAFT, assuming good faith that the user meant to develop it as an article, although that was their only edit. Dru of Id (talk) 22:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've pointed that out as a comment. -- lTopGunl (talk) 22:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)