Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 March 25

= March 25 =

Finding the ID# for Template:British pathe
How do you do it? An example. In Gemini 6A one of the external links is That links to this Pathe page but I do not find anything on that page that has the ID# 41116. 108.54.27.24 (talk) 00:15, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That film ID looks wrong or they are two copies of it on the site. This seems to be one that works for it. 182203 or 1822.03
 * http://www.britishpathe.com/video/us-space-setback/query/182203
 * It is called film id in the bottom right of the info box below the film.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:36, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's good to know that something on the page can be used as the ID and it will work, but there's still a discrepancy. Any article I check using this template, the Film ID used in the template is not the film ID in the place you point out on the page. Another example: Autoland has in its external links which when clicked on goes to this page where the film ID to get there is not on the page. 108.54.27.24 (talk) 03:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

If they are working, there must be a way to do it with the template. You may have to ask at the reference desk, and see if the template docs can be fixed to make it more clear.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Request for Permissions-?
I am interested in gaining the user flag reviewer, but it has apparently been removed as a community standard. Does this mean I can ask a passing administrator for the flag, considering almost all my time on project has been fighting vandalism at Special:RecentChanges,or does it mean it is just dead as a permission and no one is willing to grant it? Thank you for considering my question. Cheers, An Illusive Man (Contact) 02:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * See User access levels and Reviewing. It's still technically possible to assign the reviewer flag but it has no effect. I remember a case where somebody kept asking for it until an admin apparently decided it was easier to give it than to keep explaining why it was pointless. So I guess it depends how much time you will spend bugging admins. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:48, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It's not necessarily pointless, because of WP:Pending changes, which looks likely to result in reviewer status being resurrected. Just in case any admins think it is harmless to give it out to all-and-sundry. FormerIP (talk) 02:54, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Editing reflist tags?
where do I find the content of a specific reflist tag ? The page in question is Sortino Ratio. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.163.202 (talk) 02:59, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Right after Brian M. Rom in the text, if it is the one I think you mean. They automatically make ref in the bottom section.--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:09, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * See also Referencing for beginners. Most articles use a reference system where you edit a reference where it is used and not where it is displayed. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:13, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Band article request
I wanted to include a friend's photo and biography of her and the band she is the lead singer in. She is a popular rising star in my country Australia and I would like her and the band recognized world wide. I was looking at your photo and bio page and found all the legal jargon far too complicated. I will be acting on behalf of her and her band and I have full permission to present any photos I have in my possession and information of this young lady friend of mine and the band who I am promoting voluntarily without any charges. I am wondering if there is any simpler way I can submit the photo and information without going into all the red tape under the sun such as a written statement from the band releasing any photos that I submit and any information for publication. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TreziseLeonardBarry (talk • contribs) 05:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia Commons photos can be used in Wikipedia and you may wish to look over adding photos to Wikimedia Commons. Also, you might want to look at Requested articles. What is your friend's name/the name of the band? -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 07:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Be sure you have permission for reuse of the photo(s) by anyone for anything including commercial use and modification; permission for use only on Wikipedia is not enough. Also since you will be writing on behalf of her and the band, you should read Conflict of interest. —teb728 t c 08:47, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You should also check WP:BAND and WP:UPANDCOMING to make sure that the band passes Wikipedia's notability criteria before you spend time on the article. --ColinFine (talk) 12:50, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Free speech
Is this really nessecary ? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Penis_Vietnamese.jpg. c'mon dog. Nobody wants to see this... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.73.34.229 (talk) 17:54, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Somebody does or it wouldn't have been uploaded. However, it is a matter to take up with the good folks on the German Wikipedia, not here. Bielle (talk) 17:58, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The image itself is actually on Wikimedia Commons not locally on the German Wikipedia site, so for this case you would need to discuss it there, perhaps by filing a commons:Commons:Deletion requests. DMacks (talk) 18:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * See also commons:Commons:Nudity. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:17, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Fair use image resolution
I have a print of the original painting that is controversial in the article The World Is Flat. I took an HD picture of it and I am wondering if there is a guideline for the low resolution I have to scale it down to for fair use of another artist's work. Does anyone have the link to to guideline?--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * start here: WP:FAIRUSE RudolfRed (talk) 20:03, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It seems that the fair use grounds for uploading may be Rfd. It isn't really that important, so I will scrap the idea.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:09, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Unable to upload scans from a magazine to list as references
File:1998_Miss_Universe_Hawaii_Official_Program.pdf

Hi there. I cannot figure out how to upload scanned articles from a magazine onto the April Masini article page as references. I've pasted below what I've managed to do so far... But I am so afraid I'll mess things up if I try anything more. If you visit my sandbox you will see what I am attempting to do (basically revise paragraphs of the article and add the supporting references I have in the sandbox.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jennyspencer/sandbox Is there anyone who can please help me? Thanks so much! Jennyspencer (talk) 23:58, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

File:Imi_Loa_Magazine,_Remaking_Government_Renewing_Hawaii,_April_Masini,_Baywatch_Hawaii.pdf


 * For the Imi Loa Magazine you simply cite the magazine as you did in the footnote above. If the other pdfs are from published reliable sources, you cite them similarly; if they are not from published reliable sources, uploading them will not make them acceptable. In any case there is no rationale for using them as non-free scans in an article. (I linked to your pdfs because there no rationale to use them here either.) —teb728 t c 00:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see you linked to the uploads in your footnote; you would take those out thus:
 * There is no need for a URL in a footnote. —teb728 t c 01:06, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Moreover, there's no need for all references to be to things online. If you have a reliable printed source, it's fine for that to be used — indeed, it's likely better, since websites can change far easier than print sources.  If your reliable print source has information that's not found online, it's okay for Wikipedia to be the first website to publish the information — but remember, only if it's been published first in print.  Nyttend (talk) 12:00, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Moreover, there's no need for all references to be to things online. If you have a reliable printed source, it's fine for that to be used — indeed, it's likely better, since websites can change far easier than print sources.  If your reliable print source has information that's not found online, it's okay for Wikipedia to be the first website to publish the information — but remember, only if it's been published first in print.  Nyttend (talk) 12:00, 26 March 2012 (UTC)