Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 May 27

= May 27 =

black and decker lawnmower s witch button.
how do i find the correctconnection from ablack and decker switch button lawn mower, so i could replace or substitute another type of swit6ch? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.0.228.145 (talk) 00:20, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. RudolfRed (talk) 00:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:Unusual requests. Who wants to do the honors?  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 04:48, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Purpose of a page?
What is the point of Template:Template sandbox? How is that page intended to be used and how is it different from WP:Sandbox? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 00:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * According to the talk page, that page is for for experimenting with templates, where the other sandbox page is for experimenting with editing a normal page. RudolfRed (talk) 00:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * One can already experiment with templates in the regular sandbox. I mean, I can create template markup in the regular sandbox. Apart from that, for the purpose of editing a page, I doesn't really matter in which namespace a page is, a page in the template namespace is edited the same way as a page in the main namespace, Wikipedia namespace or any other namespace. Or is that page intended to be transcluded or substituted onto another page itself? I don't get it. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 00:44, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * If you prefer WP:Sandbox or a personal sandbox then just use that. I could quickly think of three potential advantages of Template:Template sandbox. 1) It's overwritten less frequently so you get more time to test transclusion of your code and may easier find it later in the page history. 2) You can transclude it with like normal templates without having to know how transclusion of other namespaces work (it's a small difference but lots of users don't know it). 3) It's in the template namespace so  and similar returns the same as if you later use the same code in another template.  might be used indirectly via a template without a user realising it and it could be quite confusing to some if a test in WP:Sandbox worked differently when the code was copied to a template. See also Templates for deletion/Log/Not deleted/July 2005. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, yes, that all makes sense. Thanks. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 01:44, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Bracket help
The 2012 SEC Baseball Tournament has been expanded to 10 teams from 8, so the current SECBracket won't work. I can't find a 10 team double elimination bracket template and I can't figure out how to edit the code to add another round. It will need to follow this format. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. ~ Richmond 96   t  •  c   01:07, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Current available options are at Category:10-Team bracket templates (I can't currently view pdf files). Dru of Id (talk) 02:40, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone has recently created SECBracket2012 within the last few hours in attempt to address the issue at 2012 SEC Baseball Tournament. Zzyzx11 (talk) 07:59, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

banks
Who has more banks Cleveland, Oh or Pittsburg, Pa? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.40.157 (talk) 03:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Cresix (talk) 03:20, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try  for an article related to the topic you want to know more about.  I hope this helps. Robert Skyhawk (T C) 03:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Terrence Deacon's page vandalized
The Wikipedia page about Professor Terrence Deacon (URL = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrence_Deacon) has been vandalized. Probably by a person (Michael Lissack) who has been systematically attempting to defame him in every possible venue. He appears to have placed self-serving and defaming information about Deacon on the Wikipedia page about him, specifically concerning his 2011 book "Incomplete Nature." To correct this vandalism his modifications should be removed and to prevent further vandalism Mr. Lissack should be blocked from making any edits to this page in the future. The other person who may also attempt to vandalize this page (Alecia Juarrero) is mentioned by Mr. Lissack in his edit. She may also attempt a similar self-serving vandalism so her ability to edit this page should also be blocked. 05:03, 27 May 2012 (UTC)76.206.196.80 (talk)
 * I've semi-protected the page for two weeks. If there are any further problems, please request re-protection at WP:RFPP. Mjroots (talk) 09:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I see no evidence of vandalism here – unless your definition of "vandalism" is "expressing an opinion that I disagree with". The material removed appears to be relevant, accurate, and supported by references. I propose reinstating it. Maproom (talk) 10:05, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

It seems to be a case of either parallel research or insufficient citation. A court may have to decide which. There is no outright claim of plagiarism. The one author wrote a book similar to two other books in content and it seems that irked a few because they thought the other two books should have been mentioned in his as sources.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Please see http://theterrydeaconaffair.com for a full background re this issue. I have no desire nor intention to "vandalize". There is a real academic dispute about this work and the dispute has gone on in the pages of Nature, the New York Review of Books, the Chronicle of Higher Education and the London Review of Books. To suppress the fact of the dispute is contrary to what Wikipedia is about (having gone through similar unhappiness re my own page I more than understand). Reword at will but the material should be reinstated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaellissack (talk • contribs) 16:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I do not think it would be right to cite either http://theterrydeaconaffair.com or The Chronicle of Higher Education. Both give the impression of being pages created with the sole purpose of pursuing this particular issue, rather than reputable independent sources. I have restored the Nature reference to the Terrence Deacon article. Can you give us references to the articles in the New York Review of Books (once it has been published) and the London Review of Books? Maproom (talk) 21:54, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

NY Review of Books see http://emergence.org/NYRBARTICLE.pdf London Review of Books see http://emergence.org/Fodor-Deacon-LRB.pdf as for pages in the Chronicle of Higher Education it is the trade newspaper for US academia. There is no reason to cite http://theterrydeaconaffair.com it was created by me to be a repository for the material re the controversy and is NOT intended to be an impartial third party source. The NYRB the London RB and the Chronicle all pride themselves on the quality of their journalism.Michaellissack (talk) 23:00, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Print size in Wikipedia
Why is the print size in Wikipedia so tiny. It is mostly almost impossible to read. Please work on that. Thank you05:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)05:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)124.182.98.172 (talk)
 * This is likely a product of the specific browser you are using, and can easily be adjusted. Which browser and version are you accessing Wikipedia with?  -- Jayron  32  05:31, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Use ctrl and + to increase font size. Mjroots (talk) 09:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15)
Can someone help me please? I look to article for help with my paper. I find nothing on China incident in article, then I find this history section, with old copies of article, no? In history, I think China incident is there, but not when I look at article, so I put back. Then I go to tab to make talk about why I do this. Please check for me, is this right? I have used this Wikipedia lots to look and ask questions but I am not sure as to who is supposed to do what for articles. Thank you 31.186.86.42 (talk) 11:04, 27 May 2012 (UTC) (signature)


 * FYI - just to clarify, this appears to be about an edit dispute about the inclusion/exclusion of BRP Gregorio del Pilar (PF-15). Roger (talk) 11:49, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure why this is here, but I will take a look at it.Desk Ref (talk) 14:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

The article on Verona NJ
Fails to mention the famous Uncle Wiggily series, written by Howard R Garis, was inspired by its authors walk through a woods in Verona (I was told this as a child): http://blog.readex.com/how-uncle-wiggily-taught-me-to-read — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.224.97.228 (talk) 13:12, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately "I was told this" is not a verifiable source. To be included in a WP article the information must have been previously published by a reliable source - a personal blog does not qualify. However, the blog quotes the obituary in the Chicago Tribune on November 6, 1962. If you (or someone else) can get hold of a library/archive copy of the paper it can be properly sourced. Roger (talk) 14:35, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Reference Tags
Hi there,

I'm not familiar with writing articles and the certain codes that need to be put into wikipedia.

I'm trying to write an article about my Father in law who competed in the 1960 Olympics, I got a message saying they were going to delete it and I have been trying all day to add the references they are asking for but keep getting errors.

I tried ==References= and also =References= and tried to make sure the have the right tags for  but its not happening

Any help most appreciated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Din
 * References are a pain for new editors, and not trivial for established ones. Try Referencing for beginners-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  15:04, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * And sorry to report that Wikipedia does not qualify as a reference. However, does this link refer to your father?-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  15:14, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeh that article is about Dad to, the main one I was trying to reference was outside Wikipedia from Marc Olympics which compiles all Olympic data I just can't get it to appear right, spent hours going through the help page but I am a total novice! It would mean a lot to him to be on here, especially with the Olympics coming up I'm just worried they are gonig to delete it :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onlygroup (talk • contribs) 15:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you thank you!!


 * I've had a quick look at the article, and it would appear that the notability criteria have been met. That is not to say it won't be nominated for deletion at WP:AFD, but is should survive and is not a candidate for speedy deletion. Mjroots (talk) 20:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

My Question: Who taught Al PAcino how to dance the tango in Scent of A Woman?
I would love to know if Al PAcino really danced the Tango in Scent of a Woman or if somebody else danced for him! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.244.153.104 (talk) 14:31, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.  Rcsprinter  (articulate)  14:40, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

American Wikipedia????
A user has just posted on my talkpage that because a show is american only american airdates matter and doesnt matter if the show airs elsewhere, can someone please ocnfirm if this is true??? if not where should i seek guideance for this because user is determine not to let me add the uk air date even though i said my source but did not provide inline citeation as it not really possible form teh source-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 15:07, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't find any specific guidlines on airdates, but I did find a similar discussion here. I've never seen an American tv show with UK air dates listed as well, and I think the problem with adding them would be that its likely to have aired in multiple countries. Where do you draw the line with the number of different dates, because adding them all would be a mess. Sarahj2107 (talk) 15:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * its not to do with teh uk air date it is to do with the fact it is airing in english outside america first regardless if it a american show, the user is claiming it is american wikipeida by not allowing the first airdate regardless of whete it airs-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 16:34, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If its airing in the UK first then I agree, the UK date should be the one listed as the original airdate. Sarahj2107 (talk) 17:19, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * IMHO what matters is the date when it airs first, regardless of where it happens. Subsequent airing dates in other countries could be considered individually. Obviously shows that have been broadcast in dozens of countries should probably be treated differently from shows that have only been seen in one or a few countries. BTW being "American only" is completely irrelevant; this is not the American Wikipedia, it is the Global Wikipedia in the Enlish language. Roger (talk) 15:49, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * So does that mean the first airdate regardless of the show origins show be listed?-- Andrewcrawford ( talk  -  contrib ) 16:34, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

New article called Frederic Marcotte.
Hello all, can an experienced wikipedian look at my page and bring necessary adjustments. I'm not that good in english, and the french wiki is different from the english one. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supergirl36 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I assume you are referring to the page Frederic Marcotte.
 * I have made some minor changes to the article. This is not an endorsement of its existence, I know nothing about Marcotte, and have no view on whether he is notable enough to justify an article.
 * I note that you call it "my page". It is in no sense yours, it is a page which you created, but this gives you no rights over it. Maproom (talk) 19:25, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd strongly recommend adding some reliable sources to establish notablity as soon as possible, or draft the article outside of mainspace (at User:Supergirl36/Frederic Marcotte for example) until it has this, as it stands the article is a speedy deletion candidate.  Я ehevkor ✉  19:45, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Editing Articles-Making Wikipedia a Better Site
Hi, I recently created a Wikipedia account and got to choose what topics I'm interested in (geography, math, etc.) and what I'm good at (searching the web, researching and writing, etc.) I would like to help in making Wikipedia a better site, but I soon discovered that I wasn't very skilled at what I chose. Is there any way to go back and change these settings? Thank you for your help! Catcrazy5 (talk) 21:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're referring to, but you can edit any article no matter what the subject is. Just find a page you would like to contribute to and be bold RudolfRed (talk) 21:32, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Was it MediaWiki:Customusertemplate-ACP2-Welcomecreation? No choices are stored. It merely leads you to pages where you can help. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:32, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * There are many more suggestions at Community portal. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)