Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 November 7

= November 7 =

New article
Could someone please move "User:Hardy1956/sandbox" to the main Wikipedia server? It has been under comment status for over six weeks and is probably ready to move on.

Thanks Hardy1956 (talk)


 * It was moved to The Beta Test Initiation on September 15.--ukexpat (talk) 14:04, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Skip to bottom
I noticed a handy 'Skip to bottom' link (top right) on this page. I couldn't find a template or whatever in the page source. Is there some way to get one of those handy links for my talk page? ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 00:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * . Scarce2 (talk) 00:18, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks ~E 74.60.29.141 (talk) 00:23, 7 November 2012 (UTC) I still don't see where it is in the source, however.
 * The help desk header uses the template, which includes this link. Scarce2 (talk) 00:30, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Two Coordinates, One Page
The page for Namoratunga, an archaeoastronomical site, needs two sets of coordinates because, there are two locations at the site. I have the added both locations but doing so causes them to stack one on top of the other at the top of the page. Any idea how to fix this?

Thanks in advance Powered by the Human Spirit Mhotep (talk) 01:32, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The asterisk puts the second one on a new line. I removed the asterisk, is that what you want? LittleBen (talk) 05:56, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That's not what they were referring to. They're talking about the cords at the top right-hand corner of the page.  Dismas |(talk) 07:06, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, there's no way to display more than one set of coordinates in the title position. The best that can be done in a case like yours, Mhotep, is to make both sets of coordinates display inline, with neither displaying in the title position. I've edited the article to show one way of doing this. (If you want to link to maps displaying both locations simultaneously, add a GeoGroup template below the reference section.) Deor (talk) 09:17, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Deor...I knew it would take something beyond the conventional way of displaying coordinates to make it presentable. Thanks also LittleBen and Dismas for your input. I will add the Geogroup template as Deor suggested as well.

Powered by the Human Spirit Mhotep (talk) 16:33, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

WP links prohibited?
Do some sites prohibit links from WP or something? Example: I was attempting to link to N Y Time's "TimesMachine" using their 'permalink' - it works fine from anyplace I've tried except WP (bookmarks, email links, etc.). I can't seem to find 'Help' for, but suspect that is what I'm looking for. Anyway, is there some way to format a functional link that looks like #1? You can see what I'm trying to do here: ~Stumped, ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 04:58, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) | TimesMachine browser
 * 2) This link doesn't work: http://timesmachine.nytimes.com/ (ctrl-click)">|
 * 3) This " " works:
 * 4) Copy/paste works fine: http://timesmachine.nytimes.com/
 * Try it without the vertical bar, not | TimesMachine browser
 * but rather TimesMachine browser (see Help:Link and the Cite web template). The vertical bar is used when Wikilinking within Wikipedia. LittleBen (talk) 05:40, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * This works for me: TimesMachine browser. The veritical bar is sending the link to a bad URL.  RudolfRed (talk) 05:41, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks - that was too easy, I was expecting something complicated. ;) ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 06:12, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Dracorex page.
Please guys don't mix up fables with science, the page about "Dracorex" it's an offence to wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.5.162.50 (talk) 08:36, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The article appears sufficiently well sourced to meet notability criteria, and is clear that there is controversy over the subject, with some experts viewing the sole specimen as a misidentification of a juvenile Pachycephalosaurus. Discussions about the article's exact content and wording belong at Talk:Dracorex. -  Ka renjc 08:55, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Apollo 11 lunar sample display, Apollo 17 lunar sample display
I have 2 PCs at home and can ONLY see the remark of User talk:Vejvančický of the 3 articles he Reviewed and his remark of ''The articles are new, long enough, neutral, well referenced and interesting. I didn't notice any copyright infringement. The hook is a bit longer (it lists more than 30 articles).'' There has since been 2 additional comments: one by 62.25.109.197 and another 03:20, 7 November 2012‎ Berean Hunter. These I can ONLY see Template:Did you know nominations/Apollo 11 lunar sample display, Apollo 17 lunar sample display: Difference between revisions. Why? Happens on BOTH my PCS that these remarks do NOT show up when I look at Template:Did you know nominations/Apollo 11 lunar sample display, Apollo 17 lunar sample display. Do you see the comments of 62.25.109.197 and Berean Hunter in Template:Did you know nominations/Apollo 11 lunar sample display, Apollo 17 lunar sample display? --Doug Coldwell talk 11:21, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * No. I can see the problem too.  Looking at where the page breaks off, it almost looks as though something in User:Vejvančický's  signature is causing a rendering problem.  However, that user has been signing other contributions recently without problem and doesn't appear to have altered their signature.  I'll keep looking, but you're right; something is borked with that page. -  Ka renjc 11:49, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The signature contains a vertical bar. As it says at My preferences, "Also, if you are going to use a displayed pipe ("|") character (i.e. not part of a piped link), please use &amp;#124; for the pipe character; it can otherwise cause templates to fail.". -- John of Reading (talk) 11:52, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've left a message at User talk:Vejvančický. All the text on a DYK nomination page is passed as a parameter into the template DYKsubpage, so a stray vertical bar will cause the text to be truncated. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:59, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Gah! Found it but John had got there first.  Still, that's my something new learned for today.  Nice catch, John. -  Ka renjc 12:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * NOW I see everything. Problem fixed! Thanks.--Doug Coldwell talk 12:15, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Submission
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jan Vogler

Hi - I recently submitted (I think) a revised edit for an article on Jan Vogler. The first and second submissions were rejected because of lack of supporting reference material. I believe I have now completed everything but I submitted the last edit on October 16 and haven't heard anything yet. Is there a way for me to check to see if the article was submitted and its status in the queue. Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoJoC (talk • contribs) 16:05, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know the answer to your question. But a sentence like "Jan Vogler’s distinguished career has featured him with renowned conductors ..." reduces its chance of being accepted. If you delete "distinguished" and "renowned", it will look more like an ecyclopedia article, and less like an advertisement. Maproom (talk) 17:56, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I have edited it again - removing adjectives. Hopefully this time it will be accepted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoJoC (talk • contribs) 18:40, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I have submitted the draft for you. You can do so manually by adding   to the very top or by following the instructions in the decline message: "If you are ready to resubmit, click here." Huon (talk) 21:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Help with box format
Hello,

on my user page, how to reduce the height of the field image? There is a large white space which should be removed. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 16:05, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Your user page does not use standard formatting. I don't think it is usual to use  tags in a Wikipedia page at all. But yours has five   tages and nine   tags. I, at least, can't figure out how you expect it to work. Maproom (talk) 18:06, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I've made an edit. At least in Firefox, there is no white space now. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:02, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! :) Regards.--Tomcat (7) 20:49, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Martial Artist
dear sir i m a celebrity of my town and famous martial artist how can make a page on your web site ? please reply me on (email address removed) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chandanbir singh (talk • contribs) 17:26, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * You shouldn't. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:COI to understand why you are strongly discouraged from writing about yourself on Wikipedia.  If you are truly notable as a martial artist (i.e. if you satisfy the criteria at WP:ATHLETE) then someone will eventually write about you here.  Or you could assemble the material for an article, along with the essential reference sources we require, and post it at Articles for creation. -  Ka renjc 18:05, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Notability
I'm wondering where I can discuss with the community whether a person is notable enought to create an article about this person. Could you give me directions? --ViseMoD (talk) 19:33, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * How about your talk page or the talk page of a relevant WikiProject?--ukexpat (talk) 19:35, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Try Notability/Noticeboard. Anonymouse321 (talk • contribs) 19:36, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Another option is to create a draft article in either a user subpage (User:ViseMoD/Draftarticlehere) or AfC subpage (Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Draftarticlehere), then submit the draft for review via Articles for creation.-- xanchester  (t)  20:30, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * And don't forget to check the general notability guideline and the notability criteria for people.  Provided you can show uncontroversially that one of these has been met, notability is not debatable. -  Ka renjc 22:10, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

The Supper Club page
I am trying to insert text but it is matching to a webpage with content we have written — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewingle (talk • contribs) 21:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the help desk. The content has been tagged as a copyright violation. Material that is copied from a source that is not in the public domain violates Wikipedia's copyright policies and guidelines. The article also has notability issues, and has been tagged for speedy deletion. As per our notability guideline, articles on Wikipedia must demonstrate the subject's notability through the use of independent, published secondary sources. My suggestion is to create a draft article via Articles for creation, correctly cite it, then submit the draft article for review.-- xanchester  (t)  21:12, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The content does not need to be in the public domain, but it does need to have a licence that allows for reuse. RudolfRed (talk) 21:19, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's true. The copyright guideline allows for content licensed using CC-BY-SA, and other similarly compatible licenses.-- xanchester  (t)  21:27, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Suhail Abdul Lateef Galadar
Dear Sir / Madam please accept my highest regards and the compliments at the outset and sumbit that i have created a page and its not even published or in search kindly help me once again thanking you in anticipation .... Regards Suhail Galadari you can find my links in the following search

https://www.google.ae/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_nf=3&tok=uQrMP1WqCaT4-YBMA6mLsg&cp=9&gs_id=12k&xhr=t&q=suhail+galadari&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=suhail+ga&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=352cd6fe63055745&bpcl=37643589&biw=1280&bih=609 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suhail Abdul Lateef Galadari (talk • contribs) 21:36, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * At the moment the draft exists in three places: your user page at User:Suhail Abdul Lateef Galadari, your talk page at User talk:Suhail Abdul Lateef Galadari and in a user sandbox at User talk:Suhail Abdul Lateef Galadari/sandbox. At the moment none of the drafts sufficiently demonstrate the notability of the subject per WP:BIO. Also it appears to be a WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY, which is not something we encourage.--ukexpat (talk) 21:45, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Please do not write or add to an article about yourself. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later. If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:51, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Merging articles
New user and am wondering, how does a suggested merge talk page works? When can I remove the suggestion from the article?

For exmaple: Suggested merge of T.C. Chan Center for Building Simulation and Energy Studies to here Talk:University of Pennsylvania School of Design

There has been no response from this user. Energy22 (talk) 21:58, 7 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Energy22 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Help Desk. Consider listing the proposed merger on Proposed mergers. Wait a week, and if there are no replies, go ahead and boldly merge it. If there are any objections to the merger, someone will revert it, followed by a discussion on the talk page. This process is known as WP:BRD.-- xanchester  (t)  23:52, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I actually DO NOT think the page should be merged. Another user added the suggestion in January 2012 and I recently saw the article/suggestion and updated the article with current links and additional information. I wasn't sure if I could delete the merge suggestion that another user posted. The other user has not responded to my talk messages. Just wanted to follow the wikipedia rules! Thanks! Energy22 (talk) 14:32, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I apologise for the misunderstanding. Reading through Talk:University of Pennsylvania School of Design, the issue that was raised as the rationale for the merger, the lack of independent sources, still applies. My suggestion is to address their concerns by citing the article with reliable, published secondary sources before removing the tag. If another user reverts the removal afterwards, then a new discussion occur on the talk page. Notify me if you have trouble finding sources, I'll be glad to help.-- xanchester  (t)  16:40, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I need some help finding sources. I did add some links to external independent articles. I thought that would be enough. Energy22 (talk) 15:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Use of Article Text
Can I use the text of an article (not the whole thing) in a white paper without giving you credit?

Thanks,

Steve — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.160.51.50 (talk) 23:38, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want to use Wikipedia's text materials in your own books/articles/web sites or other publications, you can do so, but you must comply with one of the licenses that Wikipedia's text is licensed under. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  23:41, 7 November 2012 (UTC)