Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 October 4

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= October 4 =

Redirect error
While trying to locate information on an organization I was assigned to, the 360th Tactical Electronics Warfare Squadron, although the search comes up with the proper name, it is redirected to the 970th Airborn Air Controller Squadron, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the 360th TEWS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.42.98 (talk) 00:13, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Since there is no "real" page called 360th Tactical Electronics Warfare Squadron, you can replace the redirect page with new content. However, I do not know why that redirect is there, considering it's relatively unrelated. –– Anonymouse321 (talk) 00:32, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Please give links or exact titles in the future. There are no articles or redirects by any of the mentioned titles but after searching I found there is a redirect from 360th Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron to 970th Airborne Air Control Squadron. The Air Force Historical Research Agency says at http://www.afhra.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=11935: "Redesignated 360th Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron on 15 Mar 1967. Inactivated on 31 Jul 1973. Redesignated: 970th Airborne Warning and Control Squadron on 18 Sep 1985; 970th Airborne Air Control Squadron on 7 Mar 1996." This is the exact titles used in our articles and the source is considered reliable by Wikipedia. Do you have evidence that it is wrong? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:43, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

insert ½
When editing, in the "insert" beliw the edit box, you used to be able to pick "symbols" and get fractions such as "½". Now those fraction characters are not there. They are not under insert/math and logic either. Is there a way to get those characters back in the "insert"? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:06, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Try clicking on "Special characters" above the editing box and click "Symbols". Also, are you using any special editing tools (e.g. wikEd)? –– Anonymouse321 (talk) 05:16, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That "above the edit box" thing isn't available to people using the standard (as opposed to advanced) toolbar. I used to have the dropdown, but I don't see it this edit. :-/ - Purplewowies (talk) 11:36, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * They were removed from edittools after MediaWiki talk:Edittools. Note that Manual of Style/Dates and numbers says: "The use of the few Unicode symbols available for fractions (such as ½) is discouraged entirely, for accessibility reasons among others." PrimeHunter (talk) 11:39, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't see "special characters". When I tried using the advanced editing on Firefox, I don't get the "Insert" stuff at all (see my message 2 or 3 days ago).  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 13:34, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

The main place I use "½" is in chess articles. In chess, a win gets 1 point and a draw gets ½ point. See Berlin_1881_chess_tournament, for example. The alternatives (0.5, 1/2, and the frac method) do not seem as good. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 13:47, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

KURU Family tree in page"Mahabharata" Indian epic
In the "Mahabharat" page of wikipedia there I'can help to expand the Kuru familiy tree by naming more of the ancestor of "Bhima" (one of Pandavas). But, on trying to do so, I am not getting edit option in that page. Please help. The details are:- Bhima got married to Hidimbaa (who was sister of Hidimb) and as result they have son named Ghatotkach, who married Mourwi Clearly know as Ahilavati. And their son named Barbareek (Popularly known as Khatu Shyam Ji). Another; Duryodhana's son's name was Laxman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.0.63.5 (talk) 06:53, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * That page is semi-protected – only auto-confirmed registered users (users with 4+ days and 10+ edits) can edit that page. I highly recommend that you create an account. Alternatively, you can request a change by putting  on the article's talk page for another user to do it for you. –– Anonymouse321 (talk) 07:13, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The other point to remember is verifiability; please ensure that you can support your changes by reference to published reliable sources. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:18, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

common phrases and proper names
I am getting copyright issues for common names and phrase.--Kruti338 (talk) 07:49, 4 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kruti338 (talk • contribs) 07:38, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * If you are referring to the phrases identified by the bot in the notice at the top of your article Fleet Management Limited – Ship Management, then my personal feeling is that this may be over-sensitivity of the bot, and that the similarities between the LinkedIn page and your article aren't enough to justify accusations of copyright violation or plagiarism.


 * What is more worrying, however, is that if you are the Kruti Shah referred to on the LinkedIn page as the Media and Corporate communication Executive of Fleet Management Limited then you seem to have a clear conflict of interest and shouldn't be writing about that company. The article which you have written is written in a promotional manner, rather than encyclopaedic.  None of the statements in the article are directly supported by citations to what you have referred to as "references".  If you were to continue to edit Wikipedia on other topics you would need to read WP:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:09, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Having looked a bit further to see what independent reliable sources there may be to support the statements in the article, I see that although there may not be strong evidence of copyright violation or plagiarim from the LinkedIn page, there does seem to be such evidence from the company's web pages. Please read WP:Copyvio. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:37, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Article incorrectly indexed in categories
The biography Frieda Zames is incorrectly indexed by first name (under F) instead of surname (under Z) in the relevant categories, I can't see why it's happening or how to fix it. Roger (talk) 12:00, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Roger. I added just above the categories, specifying last name, then first name. The purpose of DEFAULTSORT is to specify in one shot how all categories will sort the title of a page. You can also specify the sorting of individual categories by piping them, e.g.,  . See more at WP:SORTKEY. Best regards.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:08, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Roger (talk) 12:21, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Bath Rugby - Past and Present
http://www.bathrugby.com/team/first-fifteen-squad

Carl Fearns is missing from your list. Left Sale on 30.6.11 and joined Bath on 1.7.11. Link above — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.222.157.174 (talk) 12:56, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Carl Fearns is listed at Bath Rugby and Bath Rugby squad but after some searching I see he was missing at Category:Bath Rugby players. I have added him there. Please link pages you refer to another time. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:15, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Navbox options not showing
Hi, I added a tennis tournament to the Template:1974 Commercial Union Assurance Grand Prix navbox but it doesn't show. The tournament is the 1974 Stockholm Open and should show under the 'Grand Prix circuit section' but I can only see 3 tournaments (Paris, Sydney, Tokyo) instead of the 6 that are in the list.--Wolbo (talk) 14:57, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There was an extraneous "|Tokyo Outdoor]]" in the template. I've removed it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:07, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thx!--Wolbo (talk) 17:56, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thx!--Wolbo (talk) 17:56, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

iPhones and editing
I was told that I could use my iPhone to edit Wikipedia using safari yet I seem unable to do so. There are no edit buttons etc. I can only post here because there is a link at the top of the page for a new question. There does not sadly even seem to be a way to answer if there are any replies here. Am I doing something wrong or not doing something I should be doing to enable me to edit articles or take part in discussions on talk pages. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.254.208 (talk) 15:21, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't have an iPhone but maybe it displays a mobile Wikipedia version without edit links by default, and has a Desktop link at the bottom. You can also try to manually enter ?action=edit to the end of a page url. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:56, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * A big thank you. Yes, it was on default and it did have a desktop link. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.254.208 (talk) 16:32, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Printing out a single page from a long article.
15:21, 4 October 2012 (UTC)75.23.47.44 (talk)How do I go about printing a single page from a long article without printing the whole article? For example, I wish to print the the section of the article on Henry VIII that lists the wives and issue of the king (near the end of the article itself). Thank you.


 * Nor really a Wikipedia question. The answer would depend on your browser and printer.  In general I would expect your browser to have a "Print Preview" option, which would allow you to see what pages your required material would be on, then the "Print" option would normally allow you to select a range of page numbers to print. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:30, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Or your browser may enable you to mark/select text (for example with mouse-dragging) before going to the print menu and click something to only print the selected text. Which browser is it? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:49, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Changing title to a page or moving the page
I asked about this earlier (see link below), and received helpful replies, including one which suggested that I post a notice of the intended move and wait for replies before moving the page:



I posted notices on the Talk page of the article itself, and on the Project Peerage page, but haven't had any replies, so I'd like to now go ahead with moving the page. However I'm still unclear as to whether that's the only option, i.e. is there any way to simply change the title of the page without actually moving it, or is the only solution to actually move the page if the existing title is incorrect?

One other question. In the earlier discussion it was said that there's a 'Move this page' button at the bottom of the page, but I've checked, and it doesn't seem to be there. NinaGreen (talk) 15:54, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Nina, it's really just a matter of semantics. Moving a page to a new title is equivalent to renaming the page.  For me, the "Move this page" link is both in the set of links down the left hand side (in the "This page" section), and at the bottom just above the search box, but your case may be different if we use different skins.  You can alternatively use this link:  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MovePage&target=John_Neville%2C_1st_Baron_Neville_de_Raby  Rojomoke (talk) 16:20, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * (e/c) Hi Nina. Yes, the move option is the only proper way to change the tile of a page, because the history of the page is extremely important for both copyright and other reasons, so it has to be moved to the new title. If you are using the (terrible) default skin (Vector), the move button is hidden but see the image I have posted. If you are fairly certain about the move target, you can be bold but if you want true input, you would make a formal requested move on the talk page. Your note on the talk page is good, but it only captures the attention of people who have the page on their watchlist, whereas a move request will be seen by all people who monitor our centralized page for requesting page moves. So you can modify that talk page note in the form as described below. A bot will take over from there listing the move at the centralized discussion.



== Requested move == NewName Place here your reasons for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines and providing evidence in support where appropriate.--~


 * Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:34, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks to both of you for your help. I've submitted a move request, and will also check to see which skin the page is using, now that I know about skins.NinaGreen (talk) 17:38, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Skin is not a page setting but a setting for user accounts at Special:Preferences. A user sees all pages in the same skin – unless you click or make a url containing  such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?useskin=chick. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:53, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've now experimented with a few different skins in my user account.NinaGreen (talk) 16:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

inaccurate information posted about me...how can I correct it?
I am the world's fastest reader. There is inaccurate information posted under speed reading about me. I would like to add documentation that proves the inaccuracy.

I had a commercial years ago, and the FTC challenged my claims. People are writing about the challenge, but not the resolution making it appear I was dishonest. We provided the FTC with an efficacy study that proved my program works that they accepted. Your posting mentions they disputed my claims, but leaves out the fact they accepted our study.

I would like to add a link to this study, and state that the dispute was resolved after we submitted a scientific study that proved that our program works. Here is the link to the study: https://s3.amazonaws.com/efficacystudy/FullEfficacyReport.pdf

Our competition has posted this information to discredit me.

Can you please advise me on how to go about providing the efficacy study, and indicating how the dispute was settled using your rules?

Best, Howard Stephen Berg--The World's Fastest Reader — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrreader1 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Am I right in assuming that you are referring to our article Speed reading? It seems to refer to you - and at first glance the sources cited clearly look inappropriate. I think for now I'd best remove any reference to you at all while I look into this. As for the pdf you link, it is actually of no use to us, as we use published material which complies with our sourcing policy (WP:RS), and there is no way to verify a pdf anyway. If you can find anything (e.g. from the media) which confirms what you state, it may be possible to cite this as a source. I think it would be best to centralise any discussions on the article talk page Talk:Speed reading, and I suggest you reply there. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:54, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

"Deleted contributions"
What are these (on edit count page)? I've been searching WP to find the answer and failed. I've also looked through the archive here. A couple of the posts I saw seemed to say they are just normal article contribs. which have got deleted (the person asking the question had 900). But I've only got three and I've certainly been reverted more than 3 times! Then I saw another post saying it's revdel'd contributions because of libel, outing, vandalism etc - which alarmed me that I've got more than zero. (And how did the guy with 900 get to that without a community ban?) Anyone explain and/or any admin tell me what my 3 were? DeCausa (talk) 18:06, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * They are edits that have been deleted, not reverted, i.e. they were edits to articles where the articles were later deleted. In your case one edit was to Requests for mediation/Opposition to the legalisation of abortion and another two were to User talk:67.212.88.26-- Jac 16888 Talk 18:10, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks very much. That's a relief. DeCausa (talk) 18:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, when I was first becoming active in Wikipedia, and I saw something about deleted edits, I resolved that my goal would be to have zero, thinking that a deleted edit was an edit later reverted by someone else because it was a bad edit. Now I have hundreds, but I've learned that my original assumption, the same as yours wasn't quite right.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  18:35, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As you apparently know, deleted edits can only be seen by administrators and don't appear on your user contributions page. By far the most common reason for deleted edits is that the page was later deleted, and that's the case for all your three deleted edits. But revdel'd edits are treated the same way. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:42, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

jAYBIRDS OF aMERICA
Derived from "NAKED AS A JAYBIRD", certain ladies have adopted the name while doing their housework. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.254.160.24 (talk) 19:33, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it. Can we help you with anything regarding Wikipedia?  -- Jayron  32  19:43, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I assume this is a request to add something to an article. I'm guessing the concept isn't notable enough for its own article, but if there are reliable sources stating this, suggest it on Talk:Jaybird Talk:Blue Jay.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:38, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * After looking at blue jay, I'm thinking Naked is the way to go, and since Wikipedia is not censored, I'm not going there.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:00, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Change to editing page
My editing interface has changed from what it previously was and I am no longer offered the option to insert wiki mark-up from beneath the edit summary or to click to sign my posts. How do I restore the original interface? ' Ankh '. Morpork  23:22, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It has worked for many to disable "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)