Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 September 21

= September 21 =

I can not access my account!
Hey there. I am actually User:MaJic however I can not access my account? I'm not sure what is going on so I have this temp account. What should I do? Thanks. --Gym and Firebrand (talk) 00:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I would like to use my Right to Vanish under my User:MaJic account, as I have been advised to do so by Wikicommons. Thanks again. --Gym and Firebrand (talk) 01:00, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Your timeline seems off. User:MaJic made an edit 1 minute after User:Gym and Firebrand was created  less than two hours ago. If your password is rejected then try Special:PasswordReset. What happens when you try to log in as MaJic? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:15, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I was editing under the User:MaJic name, but I logged out, and I can not log back in. It just tells me that I have the wrong username and/or password. I don't have CAPSLOCK on so its not that. And as for Special:PasswordReset, I do not use the e-mail I provided when I started as it is inactive. Is there a way I could change/request a new password for User:MaJic under a different e-mail? Thanks. --Gym and Firebrand (talk) 01:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar with an error mentioning both username and password. What exactly does it say? Some browser issues may only affect one domain. Can you log in at wikiquote:? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:43, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Need help fixing a table
On Vehicle registration plates of Kansas, in the county coding section, I tried creating a table out of previously written information which lists the county codes. I originally tried using a format similar to the one on the Vehicle registration plates of Nebraska page, but then when something seemed wrong, I tried doing it in a format similar to the other two tables on the page. Unfortunately, it seems to think everything after the county code table is a part of the table. I don't know how to fix this. DandyDan2007 (talk) 05:23, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Fixed in . PrimeHunter (talk) 05:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Draft article
Hi, I had sumbitted a draft article titled 'Sanjiv Rai' for submission, but do not know where to find this when checking whether it's been published or sent back (post review) for further edition. Appreciate all help.

Best Regards, Monce Monce.abraham (talk) 06:06, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * This post is the only thing you have ever done on Wikipedia under this username. You either wrote it before you registered or you were not logged in when you did it. It's going to take some searching to find it. Roger (talk) 06:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Check your browser history - it may still contain a link to the page. Roger (talk) 09:32, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The page User talk:Gauravguptachd has some messages about an article, now deleted, named "Sanjiv rai". -- John of Reading (talk) 07:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

The Burmese System of Measurements
Dear Sir,

in the Burmese system of Measurements, one decimal place has been wrongly given for the Volume conversion from Burmese to Metric of 1pyi. An equivalent metric volume shall be 2,55710424 liters instead of 0,255710424 liters as given on your page. I will be thankful if you will kindly correct it accordingly.

Yours Sincerely  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.81.165.107 (talk) 07:12, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I have removed your contact details, which should not be displayed on this highly visible page as per the instructions above. Do you have a reliable source for your information?  What little information appears in a Google search tends to confirm the 0.255710424 liter figure in the table in Burmese system of measurement, in which each successive named measurement is a multiple of the previous one.  The above figure is mathematically correct according to the table of multiples. -  Ka renjc 08:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * 1 pyi is apparently defined as 8 condensed milk cans, without specifying a can size. That's one of the dumber unit definitions I have seen. My Googling turns up varying estimates of pyi in litres. says: "1 pyi = 8 condensed can / tin cups", but doesn't even try to say how much that is supposed to be.  says "pyi: eight-condensed-milk tin" and later "1 pyi (rice/condensed milk) = approx. 250 ml".  says: "Assuming inner volume of a regular condensed milk can is 320 ml, the equivalent volume is estimated as follows: 1 pyi = 2560 ml or cc".  manages to differ by a factor 10 on the same page. It says "pyi 0.56 imperial gallons/0.26 liters", but earlier on the page it said "One basket is 16 pyi (9 imperial gallons/40.91 liters)." 40.91 liters / 16 = 2.56 liters.  says: "pyi is a Burmese measurement close to 0.25 Liters". Hmm, all sources seem to say either around 0.26 litres or around 2.56 litres. Maybe Burmese condensed milk cans only come in two sizes with a factor 10 where Wikipedia used the smaller and the poster used the larger. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Should a copy of this discussion be placed at Talk:Burmese units of measurement? RJFJR (talk) 14:32, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Display of Wikipedia info on a Facebook fan page
To whom it may concern,

I am trying to figure out how the marriage between Wikipedia and Facebook works as far as displaying only articles on a Facebook fan page. According to my research on Facebook, I've learned that the method of accomplishment may be something that I learn from you. I'm going to include a hyperlink with this message so that you can see details of what I'm referring to. If for any reason the hyperlink isn't showing, then log onto Facebook and, in the search bar on the top of the Facebook page, type in a search for 'Rufies'. From the list of options, select the fan page about it...

... You'll notice that it isn't like other fan pages. Instead of being interactive like most fan pages, that page simply tells you what rufies are, and seems to display a wikipedia entry direct from your site. It then properly lists you as a source.

... So, what I'm trying to do is make a fan page for myself, but only to tell people a little bit about me, while preventing people from commenting or being able to interact with it like they can with normal fan pages.

So, again, Facebook tells me that the answer for creating that page lies with you.

As I see that you are a volunteer, I'd like to thank you for taking the time out to read and address this manner.

Sincerely, Crayon Scribe

And here is the link to an example of what I'm trying to create... http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rufies/106315892736912 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crayon Scribe (talk • contribs) 07:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid your link doesn't work, so I can't see your example. As far as I know there is no "marriage" between Wikipedia and Facebook at all - Facebook certainly mirrors Wikipedia content on some of its pages, but access to those pages is controlled by Facebook, not Wikipedia.  We have no control over what Facebook does with them.  If Facebook are telling you that the answer lies with us then they are wrong, except in the matter of what content is in the Wikipedia article that they link to.  Wikipedia certainly can't adjust the settings of a Facebook page to control who is permitted to comment on it. (If you do get this project up and running, don't forget that if the Wikipedia article you want this page to link to is about you, then you should not edit the article content directly: see WP:COI -  Ka renjc 08:18, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I fixed the facebook link. It's a page about Rohypnol and it contains material taken from our article. As Karenjc exlained - we have no control over the way Facebook reuses Wikipedia articles. You cannot use Wikipedia to create a fan page about yourself. Roger (talk) 09:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rufies/106315892736912 is called a community page by Facebook.
 * Symbol move vote.svg Facebook community pages may incorporate content from Wikipedia—such use complies with Wikipedia policies on reuse of content. We at Wikipedia have no control over how the content is included nor can we help to remove it. Facebook does have a topic on Community pages and profile connections on their Help Center.
 * Wikipedia policies does not allow you to make a Wikipedia fan page about yourself. And if a Wikipedia article about you did exist then everybody could edit it at Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:48, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Please do not write or add to an article about yourself. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was my page deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:57, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Greenlands
Hi

can you please change the description underneath the photo of Greenland building to 'Greenlands, 'home to Henley Business School' as we have been Henley Business School since 2008.

many thanks

Nick Tapping Digital Marketing Henley Business School Greenlands Henley-on-Thames — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.61.126.1 (talk) 09:21, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

✅ Roger (talk) 09:30, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Special Code
Hi,

what is the code that will show the top ten users and the top ten enwest pages please, looked at loads of open source stuff but cant find anything.

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.79.208.19 (talk) 11:16, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Top ten users: here, but it's updated manually every week


 * Top ten newest pages: Type here, for example.


 * Hope this helped! A boat   that can float!   (watch me float!)  11:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

LEGEND! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.79.208.19 (talk) 12:18, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Romania =crimes committed by Russians and communist regime during 1940-1989
România - genocidul sau holocaustul comunist în cifre:

Basarabia şi Nordul Bucovinei:

(A) Florin Mătrescu ("Holocaustul roşu sau crimele în cifre ale comunismului internaţional", Bucuresti, 1998, pg.56-57) avanseaza următoarele cifre: Holocaustul rosu sau crimele in cifre ale comunismului international | Foto: © Dinu Lazar Foto: © Dinu Lazar

1. între 28 iunie 1940 şi 22 iunie 1941 au fost deportaşi în lagărele din Nordul Ingheţat un număr de 300.000 de romani basarabeni şi bucovineni 2. între 1945 şi 1954, 500.000 de români basarabeni şi bucovineni deportaţi în lagăre 3. între 1946 şi 1947, 200.000 - 350.000 de români morţi în urma foametei provocată de Stalin.

(B) Victor Bârsan ("Masacrul inocenţilor", Bucureşti, 1993, pg.18-19), deosebeşte mai multe valuri de deportări:

1. între 28 iunie 1940 şi 22 iunie 1941, 300.000 de români deportaţi 2. între 1944 şi 1948, 250.000 de români deportati 3. între 1946 şi 1947, 300.000 de români morţi în urma fometei provocată de Stalin 4. la 6 iulie 1949 începe a 3-a deportare masivă; 11.324 familii deportate 5. între 1954 şi 1964, 300.000 de români deportaţi în Rusia şi Kazahstan

Anton Ovseyenco în "The Time of Stalin: Potret of a Tirrany", N.Y. Harper and Row, 1981 (citat in "Holocaustul roşu sau crimele în cifre ale comunismului internaţional", pg. 57), estimează numărul total al victimelor comunismului în Basarabia şi Nordul Bucovinei la 1.500.000 de persoane.

România:

din "Holocaustul roşu sau crimele în cifre ale comunismului internaţional", Florin Mătrescu, Bucureşti, 1998, pg.80-86) reţinem grupurile masive de deportări şi crime:

1. "capitularea fără condiţii" de la 23 august 1944 a avut ca rezultat deportarea a 180.000 de soldaţi şi ofiţeri în lagărele gulagului sovietic (doar câteva mii s-au mai întors).

Recent, în mlaştina râului Bălţi din Basarabia a fost descoperit un osuar românesc compus din 50.000 schelete de soldaţi români - din unitaţi ale Armatei Regale Române, care în primăvara 1944 au constituit prima linie de rezistenţă împotriva Armatei Roşii. (citat din Mihai Vicol, "Un "Katyn" românesc" - România Liberă Internaţional, nr.320/04.08.96)

2. ocuparea ţării de către Armata Roşie a însemnat un val de crime în rândul populaţiei civile, crime de proporţii încă necunoscute - oameni ucişi doar pentru a fi jefuiţi sau pentru a-şi apăra fiicele şi soţiile de violuri.

3. colectivizarea forţată a ţărănimii (începând din 1949) a afectat 12.000.000 de ţărani; sate întregi au fost mitraliate şi nimicite cu tunurile - provacând 30.000 de victime. Deportările masive din perioada 1949 - 1960 s-au soldat cu încă 200.000 de ţărani morţi în lagărele de muncă sau închisori.

4. rezistenţa armată din munţi (1946 - 1958), unică in lagărul comunist, a mai adăugat un număr de victime *

5. în cele 120 de închisori şi lagăre de muncă, au murit între 150.000- 200.000 oameni.

Cifrele globale ale holocaustului roşu în România: sunt diferite

NBold text'''umărul total al deţinuţilor: - 2.000.000 ( Filip Păunescu - "Cunoaşterea şi combaterea comunismului", Libertatea, anul 8, nr.72 - martie 1989) - 3.000.000 (Cicerone Ioaniţoiu)'Italic text'' Numărul total al morţilor în regimurile Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej, Ceauşescu, Iliescu (revoluţie, Târgu-Mureş, mineriade, etc.) este greu de stabilit; se descoperă mereu noi gropi comune pe lângă lagărele de muncă şi închisori.

Cifra avansată de Florin Mătrescu este de 891.500 morţi în genocidul comunist comis între actualele graniţe ale României.


 * apreciat după unii cercetătători la 10.000

(Grupul Independent pentru Democraţie)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.122.115.70 (talk) 12:00, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia? -- John of Reading (talk) 12:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you want the Romanian Wikipedia at http://ro.wikipedia.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Assistance with "Basketball navigational box" template
Hi. I'm after some help with editing the template Template:New Zealand Breakers current roster. I'm wanting to add the symbol denoting injured for a couple players, but I can't figure out how to do that. What code do I need to do for this?

Thanks - Danielfarrellnzl (talk) 15:44, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you link to an example displaying the symbol you want? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:11, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * When the template is used on the New Zealand Breakers page, it's in the legend, if that helps. It's the white box with the red + in it. Danielfarrellnzl (talk) 01:21, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Examples I could find like Template:Collingwood Magpies current squad add the code  after the name to produce Cruz Roja.svg. Template:NBL roster footer uses the code   to produce [[Image:Cruz Roja.svg|8px|(INJ)]] with "(INJ)" as mouseover text. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:00, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was just about to say I've figured it out. Thanks for the help :) Danielfarrellnzl (talk) 02:07, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I see you are adding it with 10px. That looks bad when the legend is 8px. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:13, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Organization name is out of date
The page relating to Christian Outreach for Relief and Development is names after the old organizational name. The content has been updated.

The title should read Cord as indicated on our website www.cord.org.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.137.214.136 (talk) 16:23, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * We have many articles about things called Cord or CORD. A page name must be unique like Cord (band) or Cord (film). These examples show how we use parentheses to disambiguate. We have several articles about organisations called Cord so "Cord (organisation)" would not be sufficient. Would "Cord (humanitarian organisation)" or "Cord (charity)" be suitable? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:44, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * In this case "Cord" is simply the acronym of the full name, so why change it. Roger (talk) 16:57, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, sometimes the historical source of the acronym gets dropped, and the name of the organization becomes the acronym. For example, MBNA doesn't stand for anything today.  It used to stand for "Maryland Bank, National Association".  But today it stands for nothing.  So, I see no reason not to rename the article based on the official name and based on WP:UCN guidelines, if the organization is currently known by the acronym, and if the official name has been changed to the acronym, dropping the former name, it seems to me to be reasonable to rename the article.  We would have to use the correct disambiguator, like "Cord (charity)" or something like that, but it does seem reasonable to rename it based on the above evidence.  -- Jayron  32  17:01, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. See also Orphan initialism (WP:WHAAOE). PrimeHunter (talk) 17:12, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Recover a deleted file
How do I recover a deleted file? danhaerle (talk) 17:10, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Was it deleted from Wikipedia? Only administrators can undelete files here. What is the name and why do you want it? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Font on your pages
I don't know about anyone else, but the font your are using on your pages is extremely difficult to read. Would be great if it could be changed to something less thick and blocky. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.126.169.226 (talk) 17:22, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia just tells your browser to use its standard font setting. Which browser do you have? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:44, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

background color: table headers in wikitables
Several pages are coded in an attempt to apply a specific background color to each cell in the header row of a table: for example, Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2012, where many of the tables are meant to have "lightgrey" background color in their header rows, and List of counties in Ohio, where the table header row is meant to have the background color "#ccf".

I think the color in the Ohio article worked properly at one time (maybe in mid-2010), but now when I view the article I no longer see the background color. The 2012 article was created in 2008, and has grown quite a bit since then, and consistently the authors have used the same technique to specify the background color, so I imagine that it worked at one time.

I see that the background color is being placed on the tr tags. I know a way to specify the background color on each th tag, which works, but it is awkward.

One other point: help page en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Help:Tables says: You can add class="wikitable" next to the {| at the start of your table to have the standard formatting applied that applies a background color to table headings..., and then shows what a table is supposed to look like, but as far as I can tell the table heading displayed has just a white background.

Is there a simple way to specify a background color for the header row of a wikitable? Or, has the CSS been changed so that it just doesn't work any longer? If so, shouldn't the Help page be updated? NameIsRon (talk) 21:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * is a class with defined styling that includes:


 * Therefore, the table header background is white, and the style for the cannot be changed as the   CSS will always overide whatever you set. But, you can set the style per cell. I think some confuse   as another term for table wikimarkup. See the |mediawiki.legacy.commonPrint%2Cshared|skins.vector&only=styles&skin=vector&* main Vector CSS for more of the   CSS. I fixed List of counties in Ohio; I leave the other as an exercise. ---—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 22:57, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

A little help please
Hi there. I'm new to Wikipedia as of about ten minutes ago and would appreciate any pointers to the places I can go to easily find my way round and learn the in's and out's of editing. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John 1320 (talk • contribs) 22:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. I've added some links on your talk page that should help you get started.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:21, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

geomedical engineering
Thank you very much for formatting the artical on 'geomedical engineering'. It looks excellent. However I could not understand how to wikify it? It has some terminologies already available on Wikipedia, how to link them here? All references provided are available online on highly aunthenticated source (International Medical Geology Association [IMGA] website; www.medical geology.org). How to link them here in the article? I am new user facing difficulty to do that. Would you please help. I really do appeciate. Best Regards, Atteeq — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atteequr (talk • contribs) 22:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * In this edit you removed a line which said "Important, do not remove this line before article has been created". That meant your submission was never reviewed. I have restored the line. See Help:Link, WikiProject Wikify and Referencing for beginners. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

how to help?
I know someone who was answering questions everyday. I remember hepling him with answers. This was About 2 years ago. now I would like to do what my friend did, but the format looks different. WHAT happened to the page where you can pick catergories and answer questions.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.fixit4444 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I added a header to your question. Are you looking for the Reference Desk?  That page is divided into a number of subject areas where people are looking for help.  RudolfRed (talk) 23:35, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Good link. Bad title (error)?
How do you add a a picture with caption onto a page AND make so this when it is clicked on, you will be taken to the page discussing the image where a larger resolution is available. I have have already uploaded the image, but have not figured out how to link to it or make a scaled down size version of it appear on the page I am editing. It has been uploaded to Wikipedia, not Commons. For example the following link only gives me a "Bad title" error. How do I solve it?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by StephenDJenkins (talk • contribs) 23:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * File:History of American Methodism, Flowchart of Major Methodist Divisions and Mergers.gif works for me. You can add it to a page by [[File:History of American Methodism, Flowchart of Major Methodist Divisions and Mergers.gif|thumb|right]] .  THis will produce [[File:History of American Methodism, Flowchart of Major Methodist Divisions and Mergers.gif|thumb|right]].  GB fan 23:34, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * See more at Picture tutorial. You shouldn't write the url at all when you add pictures but let me just mention anyway that when you do make an external link with  there should be no pipe character '|' in the middle. Pipes are for internal wikilinks. See more at Help:Link. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:31, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * If you want to add a caption add |caption, like this:


 * Please note that you can link to images both on here and commons by just using the Name etc. etc. format Apteva (talk) 01:00, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

how do I edit an article and make the edit stay
I have had a username and password for years. On a number of occasions I have made contributions to wikipedia articles ... none of them appeared in the articles after I made them. Today for the first time in years I tried to edit Homo Sapiens Sapiens. When I concluded my session and went back to the article my changes were gone.

HEY! I love what you/we are doing, I use wikipedia all the time to do research and your info is almost always excellent. I urge others to use wikipedia. But I also need to understand how to make my suggestions/changes stick so I am not wasting my scarce and precious time.

The following is the addition I made to the article. I saved it this time because of past BAD experiences. How do I make my changes work? I do not have any time to waste!!!

"It is important to understand that "we", homo sapiens sapiens, are a "flash in the pan". In the last Century we have learned/come to believe that the Universe is 13 billion years old and our planet, Earth, is 4 billion years old. As a result of our genome research in the last few decades we have learned that we, homo sapiens sapiens (a recent re-designation), all had a common "mom" in east Africa a mere 200,000 years ago. WE ARE A FLASH IN THE PAN! Not only that, but this realization makes all ethnic predjudices groundless.

The human species is certainly 'different" but only because we have learned to communicate from generation to generation with written language, but ... we are still a brief flash in the pan in the history of the Universe. Humility is the order of the day. Another sobering thought can be drawn from Edwin Hubble's discovery.  It is far beyond plausible to conjecture that there are millions and perhaps billions of species as or more "intelligent" than we are in the thing we call the Universe." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drucker0905 (talk • contribs) 23:46, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't see any edits to Homo Sapiens in your history. Perhaps you clicked "show preview" instead of "save page"?  RudolfRed (talk) 23:50, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Your contributions to Wikipedia are here. You have not made any edits to that article.  Dismas |(talk) 23:54, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Even if you had inserted thst text into the article it would probably have been reverted quite quickly, I'm afraid. Contributions should be written in a neutral tone and encyclopaedic language; should not contain opinion or personal commentary and should be verifiable through citations to reliable sources. -  Ka renjc 09:41, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia operates by collaborative editing, and contributions are always welcome, especially if they follow the WP:MOS (Manuel of Style). You will note in fine print below the edit window, "If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." All of the edits are subject to merciless change, but the nice thing is that actually, the software saves all old edits, which you can easily see from the "View history" tab at the top of the page. So how do you make your edit stay? Format it carefully and try, try again. Eventually most of your edits will stay - until the page needs to be updated, or someone wants to make a change. Apteva (talk) 01:20, 23 September 2012 (UTC)