Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 April 10

= April 10 =

Livingston Manor, NY has some inaccurate information and might need other more accurate data.
I am the current president of the Livingston Manor Chamber of Commerce and resident of this community for the past 59 years. In my research there was no James F. Woods and no Edward P. Worlle Award found for any year. However other more well known notable of this town were: Irving Berlin who lived his last 50 years there and had written White Christmas about this town, Danny Kaye, born 1913 had his first entertaining job at the White Roe Lake Hotel in Livingston Manor in the 1920s Lazare Kaplan, diamond cutter of the Jonker Diamond and Rotarian had a second home in Livingston Manor for over 40 years and until his death.

Might you consider entering these notables instead of the the unknown or contrived James F. Woods. We are also the location of the Dundas Castle built for the Wurts Dundas family in the early part of the 20th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MiaKoerner (talk • contribs) 01:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * If you can provide reliable sources for all of these we can make the changes. You could also do it yourself but you have a conflict of interest so you would have to be careful if you did.— Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:01, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

creating an article
Hi I created an article and I want to know how much it takes to be approved or not. thanks Negar61 (talk) 04:07, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * See Your first article. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 05:47, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I have moved System Group (Hamkaran System) (disambiguation) to System Group (Hamkaran System), as it was not a disambiguation page. You need to read WP:Referencing for beginners, and there are various formatting errors that need sorting out if other editors deem the article to be acceptable. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * thanks

I try to correct the formatting eror.thanks for your help. Negar61 (talk) 12:43, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

help
Need subtitle on english,croatian or serbian lang for this video.Where can find ? Motivation Fitness Training - @ADAMwontLOSE (Part 3)/Tnx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadira Jakubovic (talk • contribs) 04:23, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This page is only for questions about using Wikipedia, try asking your question at Reference desk/Language. Scarce2 (talk) 05:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I get Edit box only..sidebars and below info are missing
Hi, All of a suuden for the last two days I am getting only the edit box filling up my browser. I am not able to see the side bar or access helpful links below the editbox. I have not done anything to my preferences either. Pl.restore my default behaviour.--Manian (talk) 07:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know the answer to this one, but I'm sure it would be helpful if you told us your browser name and version. There's a current issue affecting very old versions of Firefox, see here. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:13, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Try asking at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Information on the combined messiah claimants page
Hello, twice I have inserted data into this list, and twice it has been deleted. The first time I don't know why it was deleted, the second time i suspect was because i had inserted it incorrectly. When viewing the information i inserted the page had comments about it not being inserted correctly, although the information i typed in could be read it is now there no more. There is a man convincing people of all belief structures he is such, but this information keeps being deleted from youre pages, is there any way I can send the information text to a person from wikipedia and who then inserts it him or her self? This is important information, probably the most important information you can share with the world, governments know it is he so are trying to keep him out of the public eye, atheists have been converted into believers of him and so they dont want to shout out and say he shattered their sceptical belief structures in seconds and without even trying hard, and people from every religion and spiritual path are in belief it is he. This man claims to be the Messiah, Agnus Dei (new age Christ), New Buddha, Pahana, Maitreya, Mahdi, and hints on being Vishnu, Lif, return of Quetzalcoatl and return of Osiris. His claims are backed up with displays of his telepathic abilities and 2 free books he has put on the internet,(http://magnusalexa.tripod.com) In these free books he explains how he has already fulfilled most of the prophecies about this man. I've given you the link to these free books just so you know I am serious. He claims God would not send this many people to be a rep of himself, so all these prophecies about different reps of God have to be descriptive of one person, and it has to be only one man because many would be too hard for people to follow, and God would only need one man to represent himself. The information I would like to be put in wikipedia about this man is below. And if you were to read the free books he has put on the internet before deciding on what to do about this you would therein find I am serious, and also what has occurred in his life has made it obvious no person will ever come close to fulfilling the prophecies as well as he, and please before putting this information in wikipedia, if you do at all, let people of all religions comment on what they think about me. Magnus Rawstron, Born Feb 9th/1972 till present date, Greater Manchester, England, United Kingdom.He claims in free books to be the Messiah, Agnus Dei (new age Christ), New Buddha, Pahana, Maitreya, Mahdi, and hints on being Vishnu, Lif, return of Quetzalcoatl and return of Osiris. A reclusive loner of no established religion or spiritual path, he has built his own unique path of spirituality through personal experience with the psychic, spiritual, supernatural, telepathic and UFOs. In free books he has distributed to people of all belief structures explains how he before the age of 32 fulfilled most of the prophecies of this man.

Or you can put in whatever you think is appropriate, and I reckon not long after you put it in, if you do, someone will delete it. Many people from many backgrounds dont want me to be heard of, they'd rather I be kept hidden from the masses. This is the most important information you can share with the world, a major global cataclysm is on its way (2040s) and governments are preparing no one but themselves.

Thanks for listening

magnus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.27.93 (talk) 08:14, 10 April 2013 (UTC)



First time citing a book, do you have to put it in 'citations' or 'references' box first?
When you want to cite a book do you put the information first in the citation/references section?

For example on the Reinhard Heydrich's wiki page in the citation bit there is:

And all the other references to this are short footnotes with the sfn, so has somebody added this information first into the citation section first?

I know when you use the Wikipedia citation Google books tool and you use that as a reference it will in essence create the bit for you in the reference but is this also another way to do it and then just use the SFN way to refer back to it??--Teutonic Man (talk) 08:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I completely follow what you're saying but see if this helps... When you want to reuse a citation a second, third, etc time, you can simply name the reference and then call that reference again with just the name.  So the first time you would use something like and then each subsequent use would have just .  Notice the ending / character.  Does this help?  Dismas |(talk) 09:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Well yes, but the citation the text sfn refers to is in the Bibliography section which must be prepended by refbegin and terminated by refend, and you need a reflist template in the citations section. Thus, boiling down what you need to emulate this:

text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text

Move has created a copy
In this diff I tried to moved Cementery of Dissidents to Dissidents Cemetery. Rather than a move, it has created a copy. Not realizing this, I then went on to edit the orginal article. What did I do wrong, and can someone please delete the "Cementery" version ? - Arjayay (talk) 10:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The move worked fine, I think, but then you accidentally edited the pre-redirect version and resurrected the article (as it were), so I've restored the redirect and copied across your change to the "proper" article (with attribution to you). I don't feel particularly strongly about whether the redirect should be deleted as an implausible misspelling but it might be worth keeping it in case people looking for the article make the same mistake as the original author. BencherliteTalk 10:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I didn't realise that accidentally editing the previous version resurrected the article - that's a bit dangerous really. Arjayay (talk) 11:46, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Write-up on Jaidayal Dalmia
Dear Sir/Madam,

The write-up on Mr Jaidayal Dalmia is incomplete and inaccurate in parts. Please advise the process to correct it.

Sincerely, Amit Chaudhery Head-Group Corporate Communications Dalmia Bharat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.124.44.10 (talk) 11:36, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. you can be be bold and make edits. That's how all of our content is added. I suggest you first take a tour through the Tutorial and then check out referencing for beginners. Once you do that, you should have a much better grasp on what you need to do to edit properly. In short, please make sure your changes are cited to reliable sources that verify the changes and additions you make. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:23, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * As you appear to represent the subject of the article, please also look at the guidance for editors who have a conflict of interest - WP:COI. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:20, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Emily Frost Phipps
I've only edited Wikipedia a couple of times before producing an article of my own. I started this off in Sandbox and mistakenly thought that I could save the first small part without it being immediately published! Obviously I was wrong, and the article was given a heading:

This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it. (February 2013) This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. (January 2013) The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. (January 2013) This article relies largely or entirely upon a single source. (January 2013)

Since I'd only just starting work on it, this was not surprising but I've since gone back and done a lot more work on it, including adding links, references, much more text etc. but this message still remains. I still haven't finished the article - there are more references, web sources etc. to add, but how do I get rid of this damning prefix, which is no longer true. (And the subject appears in Dictionary of National Biography as well as many other sources so the 'notability' gideline is not appropriate either.)

Thanks

Haslucks (talk) 11:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Those notices don't go away by themselves. Once you fix the issue, it's up to you to remove the applicable notice. Dismas |(talk) 12:56, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately all those notices, except one, are still valid:
 * This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it. (February 2013) - This one is there because there are no links to this article from other articles. This is not really a serious problen, articles cannot be deleted just because they are orphanned.
 * This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. (January 2013) - The article has no inline citations at all, this is a problem because unsourced articles are subject to deletion.
 * The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. (January 2013) - This tag is still valid because there is no actual referencing at all in the article. Please see WP:REFB for guidance on how to do referencing correctly.
 * This article relies largely or entirely upon a single source. (January 2013) - this one makes no sense because it is impossible to know what parts of the article are from what source(s) - this again because there are no inline refs.
 * If you actually intended to create the page in your sandbox, a safe area where it won't normally be subject to the threat of deletion, I'm sure someone would move it for you. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:40, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Link of our organization
Dear Sir/Madam,

We use to have our organization link posted on the Filament Winding article on Wikipedia since we produce different custom made FW machines and on the link readers might find useful information about the technology in general and its application. Few weeks ago I have noticed that the link has been removed, and we don't know why has this happened. So before posting it again, I decided to ask for an explanation to avoid having our company blacklisted.

Looking forward to your explanation! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.53.49.104 (talk) 11:53, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not the place for promoting your business. See WP:PROMOTIONAL & WP:SPAM --Ushau97 (talk) 12:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

BANKING LAWS THAT PRES.BUSH SIGNED THAT BECAUSE LAW IN 2012
HELLO, CAN YOU TELL ANY BANKING LAWS THAT THE PRESIDENT, G.W. BUSH SIGNED BEFORE HE LEFT. THES WOULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN TO LAW IN THE YEAR OF 2012. TKS, LARRY BROADDUS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.6.149.17 (talk) 12:44, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * IS CAPS LOCK BROKEN ON YOUR KEYBOARD BY ANY CHANCE? YOU ARE SHOUTING ツ Je no va  20  (email) 12:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.--Ushau97 (talk) 12:51, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Music-related question about DJ articles
Hi, I would like some feedback or advice on where to get more information about what the discography section of a DJ's article should look like. I came across the first article listed below and my initial reaction would have been to totally nuke the Mashups and Remixes sections as overlong, unencyclopaedic, unreferenced and so on. But before doing so I checked two other articles (and frankly I'm appalled) which both have extensive unreferenced "Remixes" sections, which, given the nature of theses Djs, are just long sprawling lists that go on for ever, because DJs, by definiton, remix other people's works. Captain Screebo Parley! 13:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Kaskade
 * Afrojack
 * Laidback Luke
 * Personally I don't think there should be huge lists of remixes and mashups, for the same reasons you gave, maybe just a few notable ones backed up with reliable sources. I can't find any specific guidelines about the issue but you could try asking at WikiProject Discographies or WikiProject Musicians. Sarahj2107 (talk) 15:53, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

lost my updates
Hi,

i made important updates to our R/GA corportate page yesterday. These updates are no longer there and some sections from the R/GA page are now missing.

How can i get the updates i made back or are they lost forever?

thanks,

george — Preceding unsigned comment added by Griffwell (talk • contribs) 14:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The history of the edits is contained on the article's history page. It isn't clear which updates you are referring to, but perhaps the ones from 80.169.41.20? Other recent editors have given edit summaries to explain the reasons for their changes, and one of them explained on the IP's user talk page the need for including a citation to published reliable sources. You should also note that if you are editing an article about your company you need to be aware of Wikipedia's guidance on conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not have "corporate pages". It has neutral and (ideally) well-referenced encyclopaedic articles, some of which are about companies. --ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I need help with my page!
Hello!

I am a first time wikipedia user and am having trouble with my submissions. They keep getting rejected!

Can someone help me out and break down exactly what I'm doing wrong??

Here is a link to one of my pages: Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/BPN

Your help is GREATLY APPRECIATED! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abrusovanik (talk • contribs) 17:15, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * All your edits seem to be to advertise IPG and its subsidiary BPN, leading us all to suspect that you work for them in some capacity. Perhaps you've been in advertising too long, but for example, long smarmy passages about how BPN made a big deal about the grotesque neologism "mansumer" come across as pathetic efforts to make BPN look important. Importances is measured by substantial coverage of the company itself in neutral third-party reliable sources; see WP:CORP. Please also see WP:PROMOTION and WP:COI. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  17:40, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Abelardo Luis Rodriguez listing edit
Concerning your listing for Abelardo Luis Rodriguez, I would like to add a spouse, the first wife of President Abelardo L. Rodriguez. My husband is his first son from his first marriage and I think she should be listed.

Luisa Rodriguez Montijo

Her great-great aunt, Eugenia Montijo, married Napolean III in 1853 and became the Empress of France.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 01member (talk • contribs) 17:28, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You need to go to the talk page of that article. Additionally, we will need veriable references published by reliable sources to make that addition. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  17:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Adding references
Can you help me in adding correctly references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mediolanum (talk • contribs) 19:00, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Please take a look at WP:REFBEGIN.--ukexpat (talk) 20:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

NDTV India Owned by Indian National Congres
Someone just edited 'NDTV INDIA' page and removed the above mentioned party's name. I need you to inquire into this matter, as it is of utmost importance to us that the truth should not be hidden from the people for which Wikipedia is made. This is a very important matter for us because if Congress owns this channel, it is very much necessary not to hide it from the general public.Pulkitbhatnagar007 (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I see no names removed since before 12-2009 when it was tagged as lacking sources. I've run citation bot, wikEd cleaned some of the formatting, and tagged it with Twinkle.  There needs to be some more sources on that page or it's a likely candidate for CSD/PROD/AfD nomination... Technical 13 (talk) 19:33, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

AAJ TAK Owned by Indian National Congres
Someone just edited 'AAJ TAK' page and removed the above mentioned party's name. I need you to inquire into this matter, as it is of utmost importance to us that the truth should not be hidden from the people for which Wikipedia is made. This is a very important matter for us because if Congress owns this channel, it is very much necessary not to hide it from the general public.Pulkitbhatnagar007 (talk) 19:15, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not use truth as a criterion, but verifiability. It publishes checkable facts.  It does not publish rumour, gossip or conspiracy theory as fact.  Since no reliable published source was provided for the deleted material, it was correct to remove it.  -  Ka renjc 19:34, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I see no names removed since before 12-2009 when it was tagged as lacking footnotes. I've run citation bot, wikEd cleaned some of the formatting, and tagged it with Twinkle.  There needs to be some more sources on that page or it's a likely candidate for CSD/PROD/AfD nomination... Technical 13 (talk) 19:41, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I think the OP was querying this diff and this one. Acceptable edits, IMO. -  Ka renjc 17:10, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Forward an article
how do I forward a article??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.202.219 (talk) 19:18, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Does Your first article help? - Ka renjc 19:34, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * That's about creating an article not forwarding. If you create an account you can install the sharebox user script which allows sharing on Facebook, Twitter and by e-mail etc.--ukexpat (talk) 20:15, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

User talk page question
Is it permissible for a user to forever keep deleting all posts by others on his or her talk page so that his talk page nearly always appears blank, see for example: User talk:Fladrif--Penbat (talk) 20:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, see Talk page guidelines.--ukexpat (talk) 20:16, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, please see User pages regarding the removal of comments, notices and warnings from one's own talk page. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:51, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Using photo

 * Heading added by ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Please assist me in connecting my photo to my page. Gena Medici etherton. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.149.92.5 (talk) 22:00, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Gena. That page User:Gena medici etherton is your user page which may contain personal information about you as a Wikipedia editor but should not be used to create an article about you; in fact, you are strongly discouraged from trying to write an article about yourself: see WP:AUTO for the policy.
 * Having said that, it is not quite clear exactly what you are asking about the photo, but the general answer is that to use a photo in an article, the copyright owner has to upload it to Wikipedia or (preferably) Wikimedia Commons, explicitly releasing it under a suitable copyleft licence; and then it may be linked from an article using the format [[File:]] . --ColinFine (talk) 22:19, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The file name you would place in the code Colin supplies is File:Gena Medici Etherton.jpg, but I second what he said. Please note that the user page policy provides that "you should avoid substantial content on your user page that is unrelated to Wikipedia."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

work
I was going to work the other day running late I got pulled over by a sheriff official  Make a long story short  He seen my pill bottle  I take a controlled substance pill and have a prescription for it  Well  he told me that he was taking the pill bottle and sending it off to the lab and making sure that I had a  prescription for the controlled substance  Basically the sheriff official said he was sending the pills off to the lab and have them tested  I was ok sir  Sheriff official says if everything checks out he will be getting a hold of me I  said ok  So how long does it take the lab to do thier testing of my pills and the  Sheriff official contacting me   Also is it true  My friend said that you cant have a controlled substance pill in another pil bottle other than its original one  I have done this for years put my sleeping pills tylenol anti reducers water pill and even had another controlled substance pill in the bottle of the controlled substance pill I am taking now  I work with alot of people and do not carry a purse   So I take the controlled substance prescription bottle and put other pills in it like over the counter pillls antibiotic even at one point and time I was on another controlled substance and put it in there  Can I be in trouble for this  Can the sheriff official call my doctor or pharmacist and get my controlled substance pill stopped  I just never knew the rules with pills  But I do now  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Generalgoing (talk • contribs) 22:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but you are doubly in the wrong place for this request. First, this is the help desk for problems editing Wikipedia. Secondly, though Wikipedia has a reference desk for general questions, they will not give legal or medical advice. It is possible that if you asked there and said what jurisdiction you are in, people could point you to where you can read the relevant rules, but nobody may give you any more specific advice. You probably need to contact relevant professionals in your own area. Sorry again. --ColinFine (talk) 22:09, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia possibly working with the UK's Official Charts Company
As a result of this AfD, I recently e-mailed the UK's Official Charts Company, who compile and manage the many music charts of the United Kingdom, to make sure that we were not infringing on their database copyrights by hosting articles about their charts. They responded by saying that they were interested in working with Wikipedia on a more formal basis, contributing information and citations relating to our articles about the UK's music charts. I think this would be an extremely useful partnership for us to have, but obviously I'm in no position to be representing Wikipedia in any official capacity – whom I should direct them to? Is there anybody of a more formal standing who has more experience with dealing with serious organisations like this? Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks very much in advance. A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 23:47, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I've misunderstood this, but what you're saying is that the OCC want to work with Wikipedia on chart articles. As far as I'm concerned, they wouldn't be able to per WP:COI. What they CAN do is make sure that all the data is ready on the OCC website for us to link to. In any case, send them to the Wikimedia foundation and they will deal with this.-- Laun  chba  ller  01:17, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The foundation doesn't deal with content. Leave a message at WikiProject Record Charts and WikiProject Music/Noticeboard. Ryan Vesey 01:37, 11 April 2013 (UTC)