Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 April 11

= April 11 =

Libraries form other countries
Do you have support to get digital copies form libraries of other countries? 1. I am interested on a document that is available at the Burgos University Library. 2. 3. Do you have editors in Spain that can access this documents for digital copy? 4. Can your editors make a digital copy and make it available for reference in wikicommons? 6. Do you have a wikipedia group of editors to chare and exchange references? 7. I have contacted the State library and have asked about The federal Library. I will contact the Duplicate center of the LIbrary of congress about this? 8. Do you have any editors that can contact them for reference materials for wikipedia? 204.126.64.99 (talk)

204.126.64.99 (talk) 19:32, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Bot
I apologize in advance if this is the wrong place for this question.

I am currently in the process of writing code for a bot which will run on Wikidata. I am using the PyWikipediaBot framework. How could I generate a list of all pages in a certain category? By "list", I mean within the program, not on a Wikipedia page. Thank you.  Frigid Ninja  01:26, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * See the API help pages. I think this is the one you want: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Categorymembers.  There's other links at that page and also on WP:CAB    RudolfRed (talk) 01:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks!  Frigid Ninja  02:12, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

please give art & music a chance to set up this page, and establish a firm founding
Talk:Organic Arts Movement — Preceding unsigned comment added by Original old school (talk • contribs) 02:44, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your interest in contributing to wikipedia. It is clear you are passionate about the article you are contributing to. For that reason there are several issues which currently make it inappropraite for a wikipedia article. The article itself will likely be deleted, so you might want to save a copy for yourself before it is deleted. In the mean time, please check out WP:YFA for assistance... Tiggerjay (talk) 03:38, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

External Linking
Hello,

We are CrazyMikesapps.com an app review and app video review website. We conduct application reviews for how an iOS or Android OS application works and then provide this to our community. We have many developers who we have chronicled reviews for both on our website as blog posts and on YouTube as videos. Are we able to link to these articles and videos legitimately to provide as a reference for the developer or the applications we have reviewed?

Our company name is CrazyMikesapps.com LLC.

The reason I ask is I submitted 2 links for the company page: SYBO Games as did AppAdvice, another app review website.

I received a message indicating I may be violating Wikipedia rules and that is not my intent, I believe I am legitimately providing valuable reference quality, original reference content to this company's profile page.

Please let me know if I am within Wikipedia's TOS.

thank you

Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazymikesapps (talk • contribs) 03:39, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Certainly not. See WP:PROMOTION and WP:EL, not to mention WP:COI. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  03:45, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Question on education
What is the equivalent of Foundation Degree in Supporting Teaching in Primary School? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.115.22 (talk) 07:40, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.--Ushau97 (talk) 07:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Collapsing barnstars
On my user page I try to collapse my barnstars using and  but most of the stars are still outside. What mistake did I make? Lova Falk    talk   11:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem with doing them like that is that those template make a wiki-table of their own, and it gets confused when it sees the |} at the bottom of each of the barnstar tables (they don't nest well). There are two options I can see.  Either go through and modify the barnstars so that they use templates for wiki code ((!, !-, !, and !)) or you could try moving all of the barnstars to their own sub-page, and then transcluding the page on your main page inside of the collapse templates. Technical 13 (talk) 11:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I've done a to deal with one place where you had unmatched formatting characters.  You had |} where there hadn't been a corresponding {| to start the table.  It now collapses OK, but you may want to tidy up how you want to format the barnstars. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:31, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you!  Lova Falk     talk   11:40, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, I was in a hurry rushing out the door to catch a bus and missed that. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 11:52, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I hope you didn't miss your bus as well! Face-smile.svg  Lova Falk     talk   11:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not. As far as David's suggestion for tidying it up... well... nevermind then, I just went back to take abother peek and offer a suggestion, but it looks like it has been tidied some already.  Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 12:00, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Is it possible to have [Note 1] and [a] in the same article?
I've eventually figured out how to create the footnotes, shortened footnotes and so on... but lets say you wanted to have one saying [Note 1] and further down the article an [a] is this possible or will it just go to [Note 1] [Note 2] or [a] [b]?

Can you only have one type of efn way of doing it on the same article?--Teutonic Man (talk) 13:22, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * You can have both. One would be and then the other would be . Where you want the note to appear you would have and  . Help:Cite link labels and Help:Footnotes have more information. Sarahj2107 (talk) 13:51, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Having read Help:Cite link labels and tried it out, are you sure that you've got that right, Sarah?
 * Isn't it:
 * "One would be and then the other would be . Where you want the note to appear you would have and  ."
 * - David Biddulph (talk) 14:52, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

So in the 'notes' section of an article why would you put references when it's just notes?

I don't get why you would use reference markers for just notes? Surely the reference markers will take it down to references not notes?Teutonic Man (talk) 14:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * If you want them to appear in the "Notes" section, that's where you put the for that group. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:01, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If you want to see how it works, look at User:David Biddulph/Sandbox4. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I've got the hang off it now so you just make a | then name the group you want it to specifically go to Thanks--Teutonic Man (talk) 15:07, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

How to bypass a block
aaa — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.27.128.9 (talk) 13:23, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Due to persistent vandalism, anonymous editing from your school, library, or educational institution's IP address may be blocked (disabled) at any time. You will continue to have access to read the encyclopedia. If you are logged in but still unable to edit, please follow these instructions. To prevent abuse, account creation via this IP address might also be disabled.

If account creation is disabled and you are unable to create an account elsewhere, you can request one by filling out this form. Please check on [ this list] that the username you choose has not already been taken. If editing is required for class projects, please have your instructor or network administrator contact us (with reference to this IP address) at the Unblock Ticket Request System with a contact email address that is listed on your school's website. Thank you for your cooperation.

Copyright material on a user page
Dear editors:

I have nominated a number of articles for speedy deletion because of copyright problems. Here's one that's on a user page. User:Bucket54321  (from http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jamie-Buckingham-Ministries/293934444001865?sk=info) does it have to go too? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 15:21, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes it does, copyvio material is not permitted anywhere, including userspace.--ukexpat (talk) 16:43, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I have tagged the page with --Ushau97 (talk) 16:50, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Why has the "Arbortext" article been deleted?
Hi,

I did a search for "Arbortext" today and it seems the article has been deleted, although there are 28 references to it elsewhere.

I managed to find it under the following title "User:Abelniak/arbortext" what I can't work out is how to get the article back.

Please advise.

Cheers

Pete — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.66.79.163 (talk) 15:28, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The article Arbortext was deleted on February 1, 2012, per a deletion discussion here. Additionally, creation of the page has been disabled. The happened because it was determined that the page was promotional in tone and the subject did not meet the notability standard. If you wish to create such an article again, I recommend articles for creation. However, you must ensure that you establish the notability of the subject and provide reliable sources in the article. Additionally, the article must be written from a neutral point of view. If you are affiliated in any way with the subject, you should also read our guidelines on conflict of interest. Please be advised as well that AfC has a severe backlog, and it may be weeks or even months before your article is reviewed. Thank you, and good luck.  Frigid Ninja  15:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Top of what?
Out of interest, why does the bolded word top appear on so many of my edit summaries?: Those are a few examples. Thanks ツ Je no va  20  (email) 16:18, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 09:06, 11 April 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+283)‎ . . Talk:Mitsubishi i-MiEV ‎ (→‎Sales/production figures: - cosmetic touches)
 * 09:01, 11 April 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+371)‎ . . User talk:Mariordo ‎ (Discussion on Mitsubishi i-Miev) (top) [rollback 1 edit]
 * It is not in edit summaries, but is an interface message stored at MediaWiki:Uctop. It means that the particular revision is the current revision for that page. But I wonder why you say it is top. It used to be (top), but it was changed to (current) in February this year. --Ushau97 (talk) 16:32, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * If you have switched your language preference from "English" to "British English", the text at MediaWiki:Uctop is ignored, and you see the software's built-in default "(top)". -- John of Reading (talk) 16:35, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * ...I've broke it with English English? Oh well, at least I know why I have about 15 instances of "top" on my contributions list. Thanks guys ツ Je no va  20  (email) 16:45, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Referencing
I am trying to complete a wiki article for submission. The article is about a television show and although I am trying to reference everything I put in, there are a few things I am unsure of like, the list of cast members of the show, voice artists, puppeteers etc and the advisory board and partners. This information I obtained by contacting the production company directly and they assured me this was the correct information. Will this be a problem when trying to submit the page? Please help. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/ZANEWS

NuggetBerrisford (talk) 18:34, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes it's a problem because it's not verifiable. Now, if those interviews were published in a reliable source, they would be OK to use as references.--ukexpat (talk) 18:46, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Largest towns in Scotland
Upon reading the article regarding Scotland it was noted that in the section of 'Largest towns in Scotland" that Dumfries with a population of 40,000 was not listed; nor was Dumfries and Galloway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.23.96.56 (talk) 19:44, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * If you find something in an article that can be improved, you are encouraged to be bold and fix it. Or else to bring it up on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 22:39, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The "Largest cities or towns of Scotland" table in Scotland has a reference to where Dumfries is listed with a population of 31,630. This is not enough to enter the table. Dumfries and Galloway is a region of 6,426 km2 and not a town. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Signatures
I'm fairly new to Wikipedia and its rules. I've read somewhere that it is a good to get in the practice of leaving your signature. Therefore, I've been doing that on some of my edits until I noticed someone removed my signature saying I'm not suppose to. I proceeded to investigate finding out that I "must not" sign my edits which brings me here. Are signatures encouraged or frowned upon? In addition, I'm suppose to sign this post leaving me more confused. Mr.H 20:01, 11 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Happy2468 (talk • contribs)


 * You should sign on talk pages, & on discussion pages like this, but you must not sign on articles themselves. See WP:Signatures. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * ... and note that what you put on your question was not a valid signature because it did not include a link to either your user page or your user talk page (again see WP:Signatures); that is why the bot came and signed for you. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:09, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * And you can go back through your edits to see where you need to remove your signature from the article pages by going to Special:Contributions/Mr_Happy2468, Note, the WP:Signatures page isn't totally complete on what to sign. I'd say all of the talk page namespaces as well as the namespaces that start with Wikipedia (like this help desk), but not any of the other ones without talk in the namespace name (that's what is to the left of the colon if anything).Naraht (talk) 20:16, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm removing the signatures now. Thank you! Mr.H 20:19, 11 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Happy2468 (talk • contribs)
 * No problem. I would guess most of us here made some mistake like that when we started. :) Naraht (talk) 20:26, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

CC-BY-ND
Is CC-BY-ND uploadable to Wikipedia? Thanks ツ Je no va  20  (email) 20:04, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Not on Commons, see commons:Commons:Licensing; so on Wikipedia, only if it meets the non-free content criteria.--ukexpat (talk) 20:19, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * So what about this ツ Je no va  20  (email) 21:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * No, because it fails NFCC #1. One can create a free image which serves the same purpose as that one. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 21:26, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for the reply ツ Je no va  20  (email) 21:34, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Where can I ask a question about Wikipedia?
Not about using wikipedia, but about the English Wikipedia itself. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:12, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * WP:VPM maybe?--ukexpat (talk) 20:16, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Try starting here, and then hopefully people can point you in the right direction. There is, of course, some information at English Wikipedia. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:18, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, you asked for it.... What is the oldest source cited in any article on en.WP?
 * It would help to forcefully drive the point home when explaining to someone "sources do not need to be online" if one can say something like "Article X cites the inscription on this 4500 year old Fooian statue." Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:32, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * ...which the editor found with a Google search -- John of Reading (talk) 21:25, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Or by personally visiting the museum... Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:43, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I tried looking at Ancient literature to see if any of the oldest texts it lists cite the original text, but gave up. Finding first the oldest writings ever and then seeing that they cite themselves is the only way I can think of that you could ever claim "oldest", definitively, but you can make the point with very old cites without the need for a claim of oldest. Our article on Plato, for example (428/427 BCE – 348/347 BCE), cites Plato.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:31, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed finding the oldest cited source is pretty much a "mission impossible".
 * The Plato cite won't really make the point because it is available online and it is actually a modern English translation that is being cited, not the original scroll written by Plato himself.
 * A citation such as (No URL included) would be ideal as verification requires a visit to the museum and a knowlege of the Sumerian language, but is still within the rules of WP:V because people who can read Sumerian do exist and travelling to a museum is possible.
 * Well actually the whole idea is a bit silly and probably falls foul of WP:POINT anyway. Thanks for trying. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:33, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone has suggested anything that will disrupt wikipedia, so I'm not sure WP:POINT applies. I think of this as similar (but less easily unanswerable) to "What was the 100,000th" edit.

Images
Is there a way to add an image with a tooltip, but without a link to the image page (or any other page)? – sumone10154 ( talk ) 20:37, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * You mean something like this (but not quite what you asked for): Santa Cruz 2013 Tallboy Al 06.jpg. The code is Santa Cruz 2013 Tallboy Al 06.jpg. --ukexpat (talk) 20:52, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The full image help can be found here. It answers your question, but can be hard to find.  If you can't find it, let me know and I will be more descriptive. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 20:51, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I have looked there already, but it doesn't have exactly what I want. I would like to have an image like this: [[Image:NYCS-bull-trans-A.svg|18px|link=|alt=A]] but with a tooltip. It shouldn't have a link to the image page, or any other page. – sumone10154 ( talk ) 21:00, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * You can wrap it in a span tag, like so:
 *  [[Image:NYCS-bull-trans-A.svg|18px|link=]] 
 * which gives you: [[Image:NYCS-bull-trans-A.svg|18px|link=]]
 * – 29611670.x (talk) 21:32, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks! – sumone10154 ( talk ) 21:38, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

mistake
to whom it may concern I am abbas ali jaffal please correct your mistake my brother fawzi ali jaffal was a 42 years old scout(not 24 years old) when he died in 2006 in baszourieh. They had three children and his wife was pregnant again she had a boy. I am proud you have put his name on Wikipedia thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.43.100 (talk) 21:09, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * (Note: The above seems to refer to this. – 29611670.x (talk) 21:20, 11 April 2013 (UTC))
 * Could you please provide a reference to a published reliable source to confirm the age you give? There seem to be numerous reports which give the age of 24, and unfortunately Wikipedia cannot accept personal knowledge as a source as verifiability is one of its principles. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:26, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Bob Grogan Article
Hello,

I recently created an article on Bob Grogan, DuPage County Auditor who will be running for Illinois Treasurer (the Wikipedia page is still pending review/approval). My question is that I created the whole page with probably 5-6 paragraphs and when I submitted it for review, it only showed one paragraph, which is how it ended up being submitted unfortuantely. I'm not really sure why that happened since it was totally fine up until I hit submit. I "previewed" my work several times throughout the process and it was showing up fine, but when I submitted the page, it only showed the first paragraph. Can someone help me with why that happened? I just don't want that to affect whether or not the article will be approved or deleted.

Thanks,

Tim — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twhalen (talk • contribs) 21:51, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Your contributions show nothing about edits to such an article, only this question and edits to Colin S. Smith back in 2010. Did you make these edits while logged out or on another account?  Frigid Ninja  22:01, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I found the page at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bob Grogan. A ref tag was not closed correctly. I have fixed it. It isn't caused by submitting so you must have accidentally removed the two characters around that time. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:14, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * This confuses me. It seems that, as their first and only edit, the logged out Twhalen created a complete AfC page, with templates correctly placed. Prior to this, their only edits had been logged in, back in 2010, and seemed to be copyedits.  Frigid Ninja  01:34, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Highlighting articles for mnemonically-enhanced review.
Dear Wikipedia:

If you have installed the ability for researchers or students to use their mouses (or mice :) to "highlight articles" as they are being read for better review and memory retention at the end - as one does with a print book with a yellow highlighting marker - please make clear how this important thing can be done.

If not, please accept this as a valuable suggestion that such a thing should (and I think could easily) be done.

Sincerely,

D.S.S. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.87.95.79 (talk) 22:41, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I know of no Wikipedia/mediawiki feature for this but you could download and install something like TextMarker!, a Firefox add-on, which will allow you to do this.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:53, 11 April 2013 (UTC)