Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 April 29

= April 29 =

Redirect page reconverted into article
Heya, was looking for a little guidance on this redirect: Neon Knome. Several weeks back I nominated the article for deletion because it was entirely original research, poorly written, contained trivia, and any notable information it did impart could easily be incorporated into the parent article at: The Problem Solverz. The AfD passed and the article was turned into a redirect to the parent article. Shortly thereafter, an editor at IP 173.11.226.201 restored the disputed page (with glaring flaws and all) with no explanation. I reverted that edit and made it a redirect again. The IP user restored the article a second time. Another user turned it back into a redirect. Then an IP editor at 50.8.27.98 (who I believe to either be the same editor, or working in tandem with them, based on how closely their biases and edit histories intersect) restored the flawed article. I just want to be sure that my efforts to keep the redirect aren't misguided. I believe these IP editors are fans of the show and seem to have a heavy bias to keep any and all information about the show and its creators, rather than to ensure the quality of the articles. Any assistance is appreciated. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:16, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Consider requesting the page be protected at WP:RFPP. Don't engage in an edit war.   RudolfRed (talk) 00:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If there was consensus to delete and redirect the article, then shouldn't the anons be warned for edits that violate consensus, as well as having the article page-protected? Robert McClenon (talk) 00:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This is where I get a little confused about consensus. I nominated the page for deletion because it didn't meet encyclopedic standards.  Nobody objected.  Is that consensus?  But then two editors (theoretically) at these IPs want to restore the junk article.  Is that consensus?  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * On further checking, IP address 173.11.226.201 has a LONG history of disruptive edits and has repeatedly been warned and sometimes blocked. I've requested administrator intervention.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:46, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the assist. I piggybacked a mention of 50.8.27.98's activities onto the AIV report. Among other unhelpful contributions, here they are submitting the same copypasta--first one IP does, then after I reverted it for unsourced original research, the other IP resubmitted it.  Example from 173.11.226.201 and  example from 50.8.27.98.  The edit was eventually reverted by another editor.  Per RudolfoRed's suggestion, I submitted a request for page protection.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It might be worthwile reporting the two IPs as possible sockpuppets too. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

New articles and submission for entries
Hi,

I am doing a project for a grad Public History class and we need to create a wiki article for a site that doesn't have one yet. I chose the Cockayne Farm Preservation Project. I used sandbox to do most of the writing/coding then submitted it to somewhere(?) Then it said about putting it on something called talk and then talk:articlesofcreation for Cockayne Farm Preservation Project. After doing this, I found another part that let me put my writing/coding in and the page appears to be active. My question is, did I just do a bunch of things wrong, or did I make my (and the editors) lives more complicated?

Thanks. John — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnHospitaller (talk • contribs) 00:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Your article is at Cockayne Farm Preservation Project. I didn't read it through but I see that there is still some work to be done to it.  First, we don't generally put external links (those going to off-Wikipedia web sites) in the text of the article.  Those are generally put in an external links section at the bottom.  Second, articles don't have "Conclusion" sections.  Articles aren't term papers where you have to sum up your arguments.  Articles should be devoid of personal opinion.  See WP:NPOV about that.  I do appreciate that you have references though!  Dismas |(talk) 01:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Submit objection on WIkipage Indosat
Dear Wikipedia Admin,

Herewith we submit objection to a page that related to our company information, namely Indosat. The information is incorrect and repeatedly being updated by anonymous person to be misslead. We have been updating it frequently but still being edited by this person.

Could you kindly help me on this matter? To assure that the information is being correct and useful for anyone who lookung for Indosat information in Wikipedia.

I may be contacted at. Please don't leave personal contact info on Wikipedia pages. You will only be contacted through your user id. Rojomoke (talk) 15:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Looking forward from you.

Thanks, Adrian Prasanto Public Relations PT. Indosat Tbk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pras2312 (talk • contribs) 07:49, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The article is Indosat. The best place to discuss your problem is on the article's talk page. You say "We have been updating it frequently", but User:Pras2312 has never edited the page at all. In any case, anyone associated with Indosat should read Conflict_of_interest before editing the Indosat article. Maproom (talk) 11:36, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

powder coating process
Dear SIR

WE WANT TO DO POWDER COATING ON ALUMINIUM ROD(2MM THICKNESS).BUT WE WANT TO USE ONLY PU POWDER,DFT SHOULD BE 180 MICRONS

AND COMPONET LENGTH 2MTR LONG,PER DAY VOLUME 20000 NOS.CAN U SUGGEST OVEN DESIGN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.63.147.76 (talk) 08:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:13, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Correction of article name
To Whom it May Concern

The Wikipedia Team,

It is to inform you that there is an article named as Teenda an Wikipedia, but the actual name covering a large area is Chowki Tinda. Tinda is a village in union council Chowki Tinda. Other villages include Kalah, Athroin, Panakha and Kakanni. The name may please be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yasiraltafhotmail (talk • contribs) 08:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Chowki Tinda currently redirects people to Teenda. Are you saying this should be the other way around? Thanks ツ Je no va  20  (email) 14:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit statistics on ice hockey player wiki page
I am interested in updating my personal Wiki page that has been created for me. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Leeb)

I would like the page to represent my current ice hockey statistics, as the current Career Statistics have not been updated since 2008-2009. I do not know how to update this section. I see that the stats are from HockeyDB.com, but I can't figure out a simple way to update/copy paste code to update my this section.

Can someone please help? Or please update for me?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks. Bradmleeb (talk) 11:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for not editing the article itself – it is best that you avoid doing this as you have a conflict of interest. Please give you current statistics, and any other changes you would like made, on the article's talk page so that other editors can edit the article. If possible, please include references to reliable published sources where the information can be verified. Maproom (talk) 11:46, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * (ec)The best place for you to address your concerns would be Talk:Brad Leeb where neutral editors can evaluate the information and edit the article accordingly.
 * Before you, or anyone representing or associated with you, do any editing please read WP:Autobiography and WP:Conflict of interest. The article is not your "personal wiki page", it is Wikipedia's article about you as a notable subject. It was not created for you and you do not have any special rights regarding its content - see WP:OWN and WP:NPOV. Your interests are however protected by Wikipedia's very strict policies about biograpies of living people. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I have updated the statistics, by copying from http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=28823. I don't know what any of them mean. I observe that the +/- column has not been copied to the Wikipedia article. Maproom (talk) 15:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Template Help
I am finding dozens and dozens of pages of templates but not a general page that explains how to work with templates, what they are, when they should be used, how to use the code, where to put it. When I look at Template:Help, it's a template for a Help page, not a page trying to help people work with templates. I just need to know how to use one specific template in order to do a category deletion request but it's not a simple tag I can paste in, it's a template and they seem much more complicated. There should be a guide explaining what they are, why they are used and how to choose the right template from the hundreds listed in the category Templates. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 14:34, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Instead of looking at Template:Help, look at Help:Template. Looie496 (talk) 14:42, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Logo Upload Greyed
Upload this file but is greyed out even though I've filled in all of the required data. How do I fix this?

Trying to edit /Lou_Frey_Institute_of_Politics_and_Government

trying to change the Logo to our seal and not the university's.

Here is what I got in the FileUploadWizard:

This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use.

Lou Frey Institute of Politics and Government

Lou_Frey_Institute_Logo.jpg

Lou Frey Institute Logo.jpg

This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use.

Lou Frey Institute of Politics and Government – article okay.

This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc.

Which of these options describes this item best?

Source: http://loufreyinstitute.org/?attachment_id=478

(where exactly did you get this file from?)

[Box Checked] This image will be shown as a primary means of visual identification at the top of the article dedicated to the entity in question.

UPLOAD is greyed out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loufrey (talk • contribs) 14:39, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the problem is that your account is too new. New accounts can upload freely-licensed images to Wikimedia Commons, but cannot upload "fair use" images - see WP:AUTOCONFIRM. Give me a few minutes and I'll see if I can do it for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:08, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- John of Reading (talk) 15:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Help:CS1_errors
Quite recently cite encyclopedia has had this test enabled: Help:CS1 errors the trouble is that it has introduced a problem in dozens of wrapper templates that call cite encyclopedia. For example cite EB1911 which is transluded into about 15,000 articles.

The problem is that to protect the wrapper template from setting null value parameters that for example break things like  when an empty   parameter is also passed into  cite encyclopedia. The code for passing in parameters in wrapper templates like cite EB1911 is

This means that a hidden parameter is deliberately set to protect a valid parameter being set with an empty value. Now there are several ways this can be fixed easily, but while it is discussed it would probably be a good idea to roll back the alteration to CS1 errors which has made this error appear in tens of 1000s of pages.

-- PBS (talk) 14:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * What does HIDE_PARAMETER do? --  Gadget850talk 14:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If it is being used to not inject a blank field, then it is no longer needed with the Lua module. All you need is:
 * The Lua module will totally ignore any parameters without a value. --  Gadget850talk 14:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The Lua module will totally ignore any parameters without a value. --  Gadget850talk 14:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you mean:
 * Dragons flight (talk) 15:20, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Right. --  Gadget850talk 16:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you point to any examples where you see this error message with that template? I don't see why it should ever occur.  Unknown parameters are ignored if their content is empty, which seems to be the case for the usage shown.  According to the CatScan tool there are only 119 pages using Cite EB1911 in Category:Pages with citations using unsupported parameters, and a quick perusal of the first 10 seemed to confirm that these were coincidental.  The CS1 error was being reported by some other citation on the same page and not related to the use of Cite EB1911.  Dragons flight (talk) 15:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you point to any examples where you see this error message with that template? I don't see why it should ever occur.  Unknown parameters are ignored if their content is empty, which seems to be the case for the usage shown.  According to the CatScan tool there are only 119 pages using Cite EB1911 in Category:Pages with citations using unsupported parameters, and a quick perusal of the first 10 seemed to confirm that these were coincidental.  The CS1 error was being reported by some other citation on the same page and not related to the use of Cite EB1911.  Dragons flight (talk) 15:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information. I came across it for the first time in this page Christian Schussele for the template Cite ODNB.
 * As in
 * I'll check the code and see if it is set to anything other than empty.
 * -- PBS (talk) 15:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well that was a quick check it was fixed while I was looking here. -- PBS (talk) 15:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well that was a quick check it was fixed while I was looking here. -- PBS (talk) 15:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Review/assist new article!
Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm trying to write the following article: User:Bblears/Madeleine Riffaud

I was wondering whether anybody could help me produce this? I feel ethically bound to make it, yet I do not speak French, and most of the sources are French.

Particularly - should I translate the titles of her works (poetry anthologies, books, publications) into English or post the French titles? --Bblears (talk) 15:01, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I got you an infobox. It's not much but I have a lot of other side projects i'm working on. Good luck with your article, it looks very interesting! ツ Je no va  20  (email) 15:22, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * If the works' titles were in French, you should use those French-language titles. Translating them would be confusing, and make the sources harder to find. Incidentally — your article looks very good, far better than most editors' first articles. Maproom (talk) 15:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm sort of at a dead end now, I've put in all the information that I know, but without a French contributor my knowledge is very limited. And I am guessing that the sources are not sufficient. Bblears (talk) 15:47, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll fix the Bare URL references. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have page numbers for the book reference? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * One of the web references is dead - it might be due to a typo. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:09, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Roger, the quote from that article is shown here www.12ozprophet.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-94477.html but I don't suppose I can use that. I'll look for additional sources. Bblears (talk) 17:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The article looks pretty good to me. Rather than leaving the draft in userspace at AfC, is there any reason why she shouldn't go ahead and create the article in mainspace and then request assistance from someone who knows French?  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I support Robert McClenon's suggestion. I'ld move it myself, but it's past my bedtime. Maproom (talk) 23:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Since I'm on the United States East Coast, I took up my own suggestion and copied the article into mainspace. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:54, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that you did a copy and paste to mainspace, rather than moving the draft from Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Madeleine Riffaud and maintaining the attribution of the previous edits. Are you sure that you intended to do that, Robert? - David Biddulph (talk) 01:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I've requested a history merge. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:02, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Because it was done as a copy/paste move the AfC Project template has not been placed on the Talk page - this needs to be fixed. AfC has specific procedures for moving drafts to mainspace which includes the automagical addition of the AfC template and categorisation. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm honoured! Hopefully I can find a French person to improve the article now. Bblears (talk) 07:31, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I think the easiest way might be to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France. Seems likely a few of those contributors can understand French and English. Good luck! ツ Je no va  20  (email) 08:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Can't Find My Article in Sandbox
I created an account and started writing an artilce in Sandbox. I saved it but now I want to bring it back to edit it and I cannot find it. Where did it go?Jwtiernay (talk) 16:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

J. W. Tiernay


 * The only edits I am seeing by your account are the help desk question and the creation of Ontario Good Roads Association. RJFJR (talk) 16:22, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Reginald Hudlin (film & television writer/producer/director & former executive)
To whom it may concern,

I assist writer, producer, director Reginald Hudlin (House Party, Django Unchained).

Recently, we have tried to make changes to his wikipedia page, but the changes are always vetoed by other users. Is there a way to solidify and protect the pages of public figures, so that the information is correct and cannot be altered?

If this is not the appropriate department to contact, please point us the right direction.

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.108.75.215 (talk) 19:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * There is no way to prevent people from editing an article provided they have reliable sources to back up their edits. If you discuss desired changes on the associated talk page, and provide reliable published source, you may be able to convince the other editors of your proposed changes.  Since this is a BLP (Biography of a Living Person) unsourced material will be immediately removed if challenged.  Please be cautious in making changes to this article since you are seen as having a conflict of interest. RJFJR (talk) 19:48, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * First, you should familiarize yourself with Wikipedia guidelines at WP: Biographies of living persons. Then as RJFJR suggests, you can discuss changes on the talkpage of the article you are concerned about.  If that fails, and the article violates WP:BLP standards, you can report the problem at WP: Biographies of living persons/noticeboard.  Textorus (talk) 04:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Making a work-in-progress copy of a page
Is it permissible to make a copy of an article to my userspace to work on it and then merge it back into the main article after I'm done? I'm wanting to work on expanding an existing (stub) article, but I'm not wanting to leave the mainspace article in a half finished state while I work. If it is permissible, what is the proper process? Grandmartin11 (talk) 19:38, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Making a copy in userspace is fine. I'm not sure there is any particular procedure to follow. (You may want to put a message at the top of your userspace copy describing what you are doing in case someone finds it.  You may also want to remove maintenance tags from your copy since they may add it to categories.) Ask to have your user copy deleted when you are done.  RJFJR (talk) 19:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

damaged article on Pete Hautman
I am the author Pete Hautman, the subject of the Wikipedia article on "Pete Hautman" Pete Hautman. Recently, the (formerly accurate) article was heavily edited, and there are now several problems with it including

1) It says I have written some books that I did not write. (i.e. I am not the author of "The Walking Dead!") 2) Nearly all of the publication dates of the listed books are wildly (and apparently deliberately) inaccurate (i.e. one of my books is listed as being written in 2025) 3) Only a dozen of my 28 published novels are mentioned, with my more popular novels (including some that have their own Wikipedia articles) omitted. 4) The grammar has been altered, and not for the good--it now reads as if written by an eighth-grader.

The alterations do not appear to be vicious or damaging, but they are bewildering and not at all useful to any reader. It looks as if some kid got in there and started screwing around with the article just for fun.

I don't know if it's appropriate for me to attempt to edit a page about myself, so I'm starting here at the help desk. Is there anything I can do to help correct this damaged article?

Thank you!

Petehautman (talk) 19:53, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * There were recently six edits by the same IP editor. I roll the article back to the version before those changes, but I have not yet verified the publication dates. RJFJR (talk) 19:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That anonymous IP address has engaged in WP:Vandalism in the past and been warned. I have requested admin intervention to block the IP address.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * And because nobody has done it yet, thank you for bringing this to our attention! Dismas |(talk) 20:58, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Most of the egregiously incorrrect info is gone now, but a lot of the stuff that was there before (complete list of books with links to wiki articles) is still missing. Petehautman (talk) 23:01, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Not all the books have articles. And they may not be deserving of articles. For book notability criteria, please see WP:NBOOK. Dismas |(talk) 23:08, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. I am referring to links that were previously there (for books titled "Invisible," "Rash," and "Sweetblood"), to articles that are currently available on Wikipedia. Petehautman (talk) 00:20, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I have reverted this from some time ago. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Excellent. There are still errors, but they are quite minor. Thank you very much for all your help! Petehautman (talk) 01:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for not editing the article yourself, which would have violated the conflict of interest and autobiography policies. If there are any other errors, you can identify them on the article talk page, preferably with links to reliable sources, such as book catalogs.  Which of your books should be listed is, as mentioned above, a question of which of your books are considered notable.    Robert McClenon (talk) 21:01, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

"List of characters" articles and other spin-off articles
Are there established guidelines for "List of characters" articles? When are they appropriate, and when should they be avoided? What about other spin-off articles like "List of episodes," "Mythology of," etc.? - ClaireJV (talk) 20:16, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought there would be something in WP:MOSFICT, but it only mentions characters in passing. I don't know where else to look. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 23:07, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it all boils down to user experience. For example, NCIS (TV series) would be way too long if it contained the episode lists and list of characters. But, for a series that only lasted one season or just a few episodes, it would probably be inappropriate to break out the episode and character lists into separate articles. See also WP:LENGTH.--ukexpat (talk) 15:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that may be helpful! -- ClaireJV (talk) 16:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Prosesize JavaScript
I've been trying to get the JavaScript at User:Dr pda/prosesize to work for me. I've followed the installation instructions, but it still doesn't work. Would anyone have any suggestions for what I should do? Alphius (talk) 20:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps try clearing your cache and see if that has any effect. Sir  Rcsprinter,  Bt (yak)  @ 21:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * They might be better able to help you at Village pump (technical). RJFJR (talk) 21:29, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll ask over there, too. Thanks. Alphius (talk) 22:06, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I tested it and bypassing the browser cache made it work for me. Let us know whether that resolves your issues with the script. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  21:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I've already tried clearing the cache, and it doesn't help. Alphius (talk) 22:04, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * What browser are you using? The documentation says that it won't work at all with Google Chrome and there may be problems with Internet Explorer and Firefox (though it works fine in Firefox for me). Are you aware that in order for the script to work, you have to click edit on a page, then click preview, and only then click the "Page size" link?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It says that trying to do it without installing it might have problems in certain browsers, but doesn't say anything like that for the installed version. I didn't know you had to edit and preview first, but even after trying that, it still hasn't worked for me. Alphius (talk) 00:07, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, you're right, that's for the uninstalled application. However, there's some indication on the talk page that, regardless, it may not run in some versions of IE. If you're using it it, I'd try it with something else.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:19, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm using Chrome. I guess I can try another browser and see if it works, then. 129.93.5.133 (talk) 00:58, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops. I apparently wasn't logged in when I left that comment. I'm sure most of the edits on that IP address aren't mine, because I'm on a shared IP address. Anyway, I am positive I was logged in when I tried to get the JavaScript to work. I just tried Firefox and Internet Explorer, too, and it didn't work for me in those, either. Alphius (talk) 01:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Alphius, instead of the {subst:js... method, try puting the line

in your vector.js (and of course, clearing the cache again). It works for me (IE8).

@Fuhghettaboutit: you do not have to enter edit mode and preview to use it. Just load the page you want and click the tool. --Stfg (talk) 21:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That worked! Alphius (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)