Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 August 19

= August 19 =

How do you make columns?
I'd like to list articles I've improved/created on my user page in 3 columns across the page to save space. How do I do that? Thanks. Malke 2010 (talk) 01:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Malke 2010! Will Template:Columns-list help? ···V ani s che nu「m/Talk」 02:25, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you Vanischenu. I appreciate it! Malke 2010 (talk) 02:39, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

How do you the amount of edit reverts are in my account
I tried Help:Reverting but didn't see it there. Just wondering how many reverts are in my account, how do you do that anyways? EuroCarGT 00:18, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think there is an easy way to retrieve the number of reverts you made under that account. That is in part, because there is no easy definition of what constitutes a revert, much less one that a tool for parsing your contributions could understand. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  13:43, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Rescuing information and sources from a page that may be deleted
Dear editors: This article: Himanta Biswa Sarma is short on reliable sources. On the other hand, this one: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Himanta Biswa Sarma, has some, and also is more extensive. Unfortunately, it's an old Afc draft about the same subject. Before the old draft is deleted, it seems sensible to transfer any useful parts of the second article to the first. The instructions on merging articles assume that both articles have different titles, and that one can be made a redirect containing the original edits in its history for copyright reasons. Would it be acceptable to move the draft to "Himanta Biswa Sarma (politician)", then move the useful content to "Himanta Biswa Sarma" and make the other article into a redirect? Bill william compton has offered to work on the article, but neither of us is sure how to do this properly. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 03:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * One way to do it is to approve the draft to mainspace and then immediately tag both it and the existing article with "Merge" templates. Such a merge doesn't need to be discussed before doing it because content forks are not allowed by policy. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Roger, that's what I thought. The merge instructions say to make the secondary article into a redirect.  Should the primary article be the one with (politician), or should that be the redirect and the primary article just have the name?  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 17:37, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Parenthetical qualifiers like "(politician)" are for disambiguation, not for direct information: compare Barack Obama to, say, Barack Obama (politician). So the (eventual) redirect should be the article with "(politician)" in its title. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 19:53, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

History of 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division in Vietnam
Your subordinate unit listing is incomplete. There was a "Delta" Company. I was a member of that company and we landed by C-130 aircraft at the air base in Danang on January 21st, 1965 as a "reinforced" company to guard the air base. Your history of our combat role is completely devoid of this and other facts. See also the "stories" of Marines from that unit on their website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 980richardm (talk • contribs) 04:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Even though it has over four million articles, Wikipedia is far from complete, but getting better all the time. If there are published sources such as news reports, military magazine articles or books in which authors have written about this unit, then some information about it can be added to the encyclopedia, along with references to these sources.  I'm afraid that stories from the unit's members are not "independent", and can't be used as sources, although once an article or a section of an article is written about the unit, the web site can be added at the bottom in the "External links" section so that interested people can read the stories.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 05:40, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * It's not so much that they're not independent, as that they're not verifiable: if a reader in a month or a year or ten years reads the Wikipedia article, and wants to verify that it is correct, there will be no way to do so. (This is of course true for unsourced information, which is why we ask for all information to be sourced; but referencing an unverifiable or unreliable source is not more useful than unsourced information). --ColinFine (talk) 19:04, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Use of a user page
Dear editors: While looking through some old pages in Afc space, I found this one: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/INFO ON EXPLOIT GROUP which I believe should be deleted as an advertisement. However, the user has the same text on a talk page, User talk:Exploitgroup. Should it also be deleted? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 05:30, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, Speedy-G11 both pages and give the user a warning per WP:SPAMNAME too. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:40, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Blocked as a spam username, AFC page deleted. BencherliteTalk 12:28, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks to both of you. That's one more "abandoned draft" dealt with. 976 to go... &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Need help in image replacement
Hi Guys,

There is an article over here on a firm called 'Ashghal' here is the link to that article Ashghal

Well, now the logo on the image has to be replaced on that article since the branding guideline of the Company has changed and so has their logo. Here is the link to that website where you can check out the new logo.. http://www.ashghal.gov.qa/en/pages/default.aspx

I cannot replace the image since I do not have a confirmed account and in order to have that I need to have done at least 10 edits.

Since the replacement of the image needs to be done ASAP, I will appreciate if I can have an assistance from those who have got a confirmed account.

I can provide the High-res image of the new logo based on request.

I will be glad having a prompt response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.152.10.111 (talk) 06:28, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I will see what I can do.--Canoe1967 (talk) 07:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I uploaded the new one. All the sizes on the net are small but it may be large enough for the article info box. If not just ask back at this help desk or email it to photosubmission@wikimedia.org.--Canoe1967 (talk) 07:30, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

@Canoe1967 Thank you. I am glad to have your help in this regard. I have already emailed you the High-res image. Do let me know if that will suffice, and if it does then what will be the time margin required to replace the image.
 * They can take a few days sometimes. Can you put it on the net somewhere for me to get? http://www.picatom.com/ and other sites are easy to upload to. Remember the code to delete it. I use Dropbox (service) but it takes a while to set up.--Canoe1967 (talk) 08:56, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

@Canoe1967 Hi. Well actually I emailed you the High- res image. However, I have also uploaded the image on a website you recommended. Here is the link http://www.picatom.com/2a/Logo-162.html I noticed that the logo in the info box has been replaced. Thanks a lot for it. Just a small query. why it takes certain number of days for the High- Res image to be published? Can you provide me an approximate number of days required needed so I can accordingly inform the concerned people. Appreciate having your response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.152.10.111 (talk) 10:31, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Will the hi-res image be released under a license that allows it to be used by anyone completely freely? If not, it probably won't be allowed under Wikipedia's fair-use rules.  Rojomoke (talk) 12:31, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The biggest one on the net was only 132x75. We can reduce any version larger than 300px wide and then delete the revisions. The OTRS may do that before upload.--Canoe1967 (talk) 13:29, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

I do want to point out to the original poster that language like "the replacement of the image needs to be done ASAP" and "Can you provide me an approximate number of days required needed so I can accordingly inform the concerned people" imply a false sense of entitlement. We are all volunteers here, operating under no deadline; and your corporate priorities do not obligate anybody here working on something else to drop what they are doing and rush to oblige, although several of our volunteers have in fact gone considerably out of their way to be of help here. A sense of perspective is in order. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  17:33, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

@Orangemike I apologise if the request has been in any appeared to be inconsiderable as I did not intend to communicate that way. I respect your efforts in contributing to the articles and I assure that my communication will not have such tone.

@Canoe1967 I like to point out something about the logo that there has been an error on the image which is currently used. The actual logo has a line between the English and Arabic text which is missing from the one currently used... the new logo can be downloaded through this link. http://www.picatom.com/2a/Logo2-17.html I will appreciate if this logo can be replaced. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.152.10.111 (talk) 08:05, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

hi i am not understanding
i am not understanding trachtenberg division system so please explain that breifly as like mutiplication method — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.139.221.155 (talk) 07:03, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Does Trachtenberg system help?--Canoe1967 (talk) 07:13, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If not, you should ask at The Maths Reference Desk, not here. This Help Desk is for assistance in writing Wikipedia articles.  Rojomoke (talk) 12:34, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

referencing problems
can anyone tell me how to reference a 'citation needed' tag. i have tried to reference it following the 'reference for beginners'but it comes up on the page 'citation error' in red and it won't let me change it. i have the reference article all ready to go but it won't reference it in the list at the bottom of page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neilc123 (talk • contribs) 07:49, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

hi, i am trying to reference a 'citation needed' tag on 'football fan sub-culture'. i have the article for the reference and have tried to go through the 'reference for beginners' video but it won't actually list the article on the reference list. instead it just come up with 'citation error' in red at the end of the reference. can anyone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neilc123 (talk • contribs) 08:07, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The url was missing.




 * This will use the above ref again:

--Canoe1967 (talk) 08:43, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

How to make my orphan article become not orphan?
What are the steps in making an article become non-orphan? Can you list the steps in detail please? Thank you so much I greatly appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LindaYates13 (talk • contribs) 08:57, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You need to link it in other articles. If your article is Willie Mays then put that blue link in baseball articles. Then they can find your Willy Mays article from the baseball ones. Try not to put it in unrelated articles or spam articles.--Canoe1967 (talk) 09:03, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Hotcat n/a ?
Hotcat no longer appears to work for me; I use IE8 and have checked my preferences, any ideas ? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 09:18, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You're not the only one. Dismas |(talk) 09:57, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Toggling "Compatability View" fixed it ! Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Looking for an erased phrase in Timeline of World War II (1941)
Hello Good Helpers ! There was a phrase in that article, about Stalin broadcasting on the 3rd of July his second radio speech ever, but that phrase has been erased (& replaced by "Stalin announces a "scorched earth policy") , & I can't find it back. Can you ? Thanks so much beforehand for your help Arapaima (talk) 09:52, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I found the speech. Need another source showing which one it was.--Canoe1967 (talk) 12:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Canoe1967, go on taking care Arapaima (talk) 04:45, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Wrong Information
Dear Wiki,

I'm one of Wiki's fan over the year, especially when I try to find something new, Wiki is always my number 1 reference.

Lately, something is bothering me, because I see my Wiki's company page is filled with wrong information. Every time, I try to change and give right information, someone is changing again in a brief of time. This happens over and over again.

I know the information is wrong, since I work there for quite a long time, and I have company identity and documents to prove it. And not in my attention to make that page as an promotional page. It is just weird to see wrong information about your company and it will mislead everyone that read it.

Is there any way that I can give the right information and protect it, others than change it over and over again ?

Thank you very much Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adjimantoro (talk • contribs) 09:57, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * So far your only two edits with this account are here at the Help Desk, so I can't tell what page you're referring to. You don't mention whether you provided reliable sources for the facts that you updated/changed.  Without references and sources, we can't just take your word for it.  It would be best if you posted to the article's talk page (see the top left of the article page where it says "talk") with not only your updated info but also where someone might verify that information.  The reason I suggest that you post on the talk page instead of making the edits yourself is due to your conflict of interest.  Dismas |(talk) 10:03, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

How to tackle a conflict of interest?
A new user with the very unsubtle name NEC Australia has just edited the article Ultranet, in good faith but with obvious commercial intent. I'm not au fait enough with our templates and stuff to know how to formally but politely tell this user they need to change their approach.

Can someone with greater knowledge in this area please either sort this out, or point me at how I can best do it? (Don't make it complicated for me. I don't have time to learn new stuff right now.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HiLo48 (talk • contribs) 10:13, 19 August 2013‎ (UTC)


 * Well, it's a bit too late now. They've been blocked.  And I know you don't have time for much new stuff but here's a quick tip.  If you put their username in curly braces like so: , then it produces links to their user page, talk page, and contribs like so: .   Dismas |(talk) 10:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Setting up page.
I am not sure that i have started correctly, and formatting everything in the correct way. Also my surname Hillary has appeared with a small h, and I can't alter it. Regards, Moray. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moray hillary (talk • contribs) 10:32, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You seem to be trying to use your user page as an article. The purpose of a user page can be seen at User pages, and in particular the section WP:FAKEARTICLE. In any case, you should not be trying to write an article about yourself, see Autobiography and WP:conflict of interest. For changing your user name to include a capital letter for your surname, see Changing username. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:50, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I have moved the user page content to a user sandbox at User:Moray hillary/Sandbox.--ukexpat (talk) 13:26, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Need new logo on 'UAS Laboratories' page
THe new logo can be found on uaslabs.com's current page - it is only a splash page but that one is correct.

Thanks,

Matthew (from UAS Labs) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.178.65 (talk) 14:27, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Insulam Simia (talk) 16:04, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Interlink
In the past I used to interlink my pages very easily. But now whenever I try to interlink a page what I get is an unexpected error message (both here and in wikidata). Any suggestions ? Thanks. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:59, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You recently added a link to 10th government of Turkey. It works correctly for me. Maproom (talk) 15:50, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I assumed that the OP was talking about inter-wiki links, hence the mention of Wikidata? - David Biddulph (talk) 15:56, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I have created a Wikidata entry for 10th government of Turkey at Q14623493.--ukexpat (talk) 16:26, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Account update
How does one regain access to their previous account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.212.151.98 (talk) 16:36, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * What is the username? PrimeHunter (talk) 18:09, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Ashmore Group logo
Hi I work for Ashmore Group adn I have left a message about changing/updating our logo but havent recieved a reply yet. How can i send you/upload our new logo please?

thanks Kate Whittaker Kate Whittaker (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:45, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have a link to it, where I can download the image then upload it? After I've uploaded it, see WP:CONSENT, where you can get the copyright owner in your company of the logo to give us copyright permission to use the logo, rather than us using fair use. Thanks, Insulam Simia (talk) 16:59, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Insulam Simia very kindly replied to my message but I cannot work out how to reply. I am sorry but I am a very new user. I am sure it must be something obvious. Kate Kate Whittaker (talk) 17:14, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Just reply by clicking 'edit source' which is located on the section heading (which is above) at the right (also indent your message by placing two colons before your message) Face-smile.svg. Insulam Simia (talk) 17:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I managed to replace the logo.--Canoe1967 (talk) 07:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you both so much! It hasn't updated yet - does ittake a little while? Kate Whittaker (talk) 08:32, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You are very welcome. You may need to refresh your browser. In Windows Explorer it is a circle arrow up at the top left beside the url address. I see it fine so others should as well.--Canoe1967 (talk) 08:36, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Need help with issues on an article
I am trying to address the two issue alerts that appear at the top of the page I manage for one of our company's owners: Jennifer Borg

After reading through the requirements and instructions and adding more citations to the page, these alerts still appear.

Can you please advise what further steps I need to take to satisfy the requirements?

Alerts that appear at the top of the page:

This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. (September 2012)

The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. (September 2012)

Thank you so much for any help you can offer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lizowen (talk • contribs) 17:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * One thing which you will need to address is the difference between external links and references. We do not include external links within the body of the article. You also need to read, if you haven't done so already, the guidance on editing where you have a conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, Liz, but you are under a misapprehension. You do not manage any page in Wikipedia (and nor does anybody else). As somebody with a conflict of interest you are a less appropriate person to edit that article than most user, not a more appropriate one. As to your specific question, warnings like that are almost completely manual: a human editor added them, and a human editor can remove them. This could be you, if you are sure the issues have been addressed; but because of your conflict of interest, it would be a bad idea for you to do so. What is needed is solid, substantial discussion of the subject in reliable sources (such as newspapers or books independent of the subject), and you could contribute powerfully to the article by identifying these, and posting them on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 19:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

John grant (footballer)
I'm here to report redalert92 who is responsible-editing my profile with out my authority to do so, I am john grant and I'm able to edit my own profile with out his in put — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.149.6 (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You cannot just 'command' users to stop editing your page. Indeed, he is certainly in the wrong, as it is pretty obvious why you are removing it, but still. Also please see WP:COI. Insulam Simia (talk) 17:32, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I assume that you are referring to the article John Grant (English footballer)? That is an article in an encyclopedia, not a profile on a social media site, and you need to understand that, even if you are the subject of the article, you do not own the article, and in fact you need to be very careful as to whether you ought to be editing it at all.  You need to read the guidance on conflict of interest.  The other editor does not need your authority to edit the article, providing that the material which he includes is supported by references to published reliable sources. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:40, 19 August 2013 (UTC) ‎ Thanks to  for pointing out my typo in omitting the significant word "not" from my reply. Corrected now. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:05, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Rescuing article history of a page that's being reused
Dear editors: This article: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jeff Halevy (2) has the edit history for this article Jeff Halevy (Personal trainer), which was cut and pasted by a different user to mainspace and then improved. For copyright reasons, the edit histories of the two pages should be merged. However, the user has made one edit changing the first page into an article about a Michael Jackson recording. This really should have been done in a sandbox or user page. Is there any way to create such a page and move the one Michael Jackson edit there, while retaining the name of the editor with it, so that the rest of the page history can me merged with the mainspace article? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 17:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * There isn't enough of the Michael Jackson edit to be worth saving, so that should just be reverted as irrelevant to the page that it's on. If there's a tangle to be sorted out with the other material, Cut-and-paste-move repair holding pen is the place to report it. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Is it copyright to copy word by word text from a source such as a book?
Just say for example "Elvis was known as the King" you put in an article and the cited book said "Elvis was known as the King" is this considered copyright or are you allowed to copy word by word text from the book or whatever you use as a source?--Andrew Dorsons (talk) 18:46, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You'll find useful advice at Plagiarism. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:49, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * First of all, copyright is the right of the author to restrict copying by others. If someone who does not have permission from the author copies in a way that violates the copyright law, that is a copyright violation.


 * An author can only restrict copying, not independent recreation. So if someone writes "Elvis was known as the King" without knowing someone wrote that first in a book, it is not a copyright violation.


 * Then there is fair use. It is allowed to copy a small amount of text from a book if you indicate it is a quote and give an inline citation to the book it is copied from.


 * You can use as much information as you want from a book if you paraphrase it in your own words. Inevitably a few words in the paraphrased version will be in the same order as in the original; there is no hard-and-fast rule about how many words in a row can be the same as in the original before it would be a copyright violation. If your paraphrase were two short sentences, one of which was "Elvis was known as the King", and you didn't put it in quotation marks, that would be considered plagiarism. If your paraphrase were five paragraphs long, and the overall impression was it was substantially different from the book, having six words in a row that match the book might be OK, especially if the same sentence appears in several other books you consulted. Also, even if you paraphrase it, you should include an inline citation to the original to avoid plagiarism. Jc3s5h (talk) 19:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

I edited Nazi_propaganda and most of if not all of it is exactly what it says in the book so I should alter it a bit or not?

Before Hitler came to power, he rarely used the radio as a form of speaking to the audiences, and then only in part nor did any non-party newspapers carry his speeches.[90] However, after 1933 his speeches became major events for the Germans, they were broadcast in full over the national radio, printed in every newspaper in Germany, shown in the weekly newsreels and reprinted in huge editions in books and pamphlets.[90] It became so widely spoken to the masses that even restaurants and pubs were expected to turn their radios on when Hitler spoke and some cities even erected loud public speakers so passersby could hear his speeches.[90] The extent after Hitler came to power that Nazi propaganda portrayed his speeches was that the key passages from his speeches appeared in the weekly posters with inspiring quotations and hung all over Germany by the hundreds of thousands.[90]

I didn't know you could not copy the exact words from the book, should I alter this then into my own words to avoid violation?--Andrew Dorsons (talk) 19:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * In general, as I understand it, you most definitely may not copy into Wikipedia text (or images or sounds) from any source that is in copyright. That would constitute a copyright violation, which since it puts Wikipedia on the wrong side of the law is severely prohibited. In some circumstances it may be OK to quote, with quotation marks and full identification of the source, limited amounts of text from copyright sources. Older works such as books whose copyright has expired can be copied freely; but to be honest it isn't often useful to do so. If you think you've come across copying of the kind you mention, you should tell someone about it. If you need more advice, please ask. There are experts on this topic (of which I am most definitely not one) who will be able to answer any question. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Please see wp:PARAPHRASE LeadSongDog come howl!  19:12, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Reply to Andrew Dorsons: I believe your best course would be to remove everything you added, and then add it back, bit by bit, using your own words and checking as you go along that they are not the same as the words in the book. HTH, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:13, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

I will do that now and understand it more clearly, thanks very much!--Andrew Dorsons (talk) 19:30, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Can I use this picture or not, I'm a little confused?
I want to use this photo in particular and was wondering if its okay to use can anybody help me and confirm?

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/625_2/index.html

It is taken from http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/nazi/innenpolitik/rassenpolitik/

It is also used on this website http://wizard.webquests.ch/schulens.html?page=10346 and links to ^, is it okay to use this picture??--Andrew Dorsons (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, the sources seems to be the DHM, Deutsches Historisches Museum, and it says Copyright DHM on the page. Unless this picture is illustrating something that there's no free equivalent for, I wouldn't use it.  What were you planning to use the image for?  Howicus (talk) 18:58, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

I was going to use it in Themes_in_Nazi_propaganda and because the children were taught this in the schools.--Andrew Dorsons (talk) 19:08, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, since that's a fairly general topic, there's probably an alternative public domain or compatibly licensed image out there, so I'd recommend against using that one. Howicus (talk) 19:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

I've actually tried looking, could you give me any directions to where I can could find the image I've tried Wikipedia Commons to no luck. :(! I think it would look best suited in that bit since it was a key and essential thing and displays it very accurately.--Andrew Dorsons (talk) 19:29, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

I've tried looking around as well on Flickr but cannot find it at all, the rassenkunde image of the woman to the board seems difficult to find.--Andrew Dorsons (talk) 20:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The photograph is from 1943, would this even still be copyrighted? (Germany is 25 years from the date of publication) In any case, as a historical photograph I would think fair use would be a fairly easy bar to cross. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:37, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Gaijin42, how do I go about using this image then because I have looked at images to use on "racial pride" towards the Nazi racial biology bit 'racial pride' on Nazi themes and this picture looks very accurate and good to use for this exact bit, how do I go about putting this onto Wikipedia?

Also, could you look at my talk page User_talk:Andrew_Dorsons and tell me if I have done something wrong because some user has went out of their way to keep reverting an image I used that I allegedly used it as non-free image usage policy but on their talk page their have done this several times to other users and their have said that their will report me for personal attack but I am new on here so don't know if I have broke any rules on here???--Andrew Dorsons (talk) 21:02, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I believe copyright in Germany is life +70 years - at least that is what our article here says. I can't immediately find a date of death for Liselotte Orgel-Köhne, but she published a book in 1980. She could well be still alive. I don't myself think you have much chance of constructing a fair-use rationale for that image, but I'm no expert. You could perhaps try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Images and Media/Non-free. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:50, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Unless someone from the DHM took the picture or the photographer gave copyright to DHM, the claim of copyright that DHM makes is unenforceable — it appears that they simply scanned it. That's completely different from the photographer's rights, which are definitely enforceable, and it's definitely still under copyright in any life+70 country.  Nyttend (talk) 23:59, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Some of the replies are confusing and contradicting each other. So am I not able to use this photo under any circumstances for the purpose of the Themes of Nazi propaganda under their "racial pride" since essentially this photo demonstrates quite clearly how the youth were taught from a very young age to understand the racial differences among the peoples (i.e Germans and Jews).--Andrew Dorsons (talk) 09:35, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * That is not the reason you are not allowed to use it. As has been explained above, you are not allowed to use it because the owner of the copyright has not granted permission for its use. Maproom (talk) 10:06, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

But someone earlier on said since its a historical photograph it could easily pass for fair use?--Andrew Dorsons (talk) 10:13, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, it is possible that person could be mistaken. On Wikipedia, it is actually relatively hard to meet the requirements of fair use. There is some more information about this at WP:NFCC. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 10:23, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * It's also worth noting that Wikipedia's non-free use criteria are stricter than "fair use" as that term is used in copyright law.--ukexpat (talk) 16:14, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

So the conclusion is I cannot use this picture under any circumstances, correct?--Andrew Dorsons (talk) 17:27, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Werieth gave you a link to WP:NFCC which says "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." Your use of this photo may be justified because it doesn't merely show that children were indoctrinated in schools but shows specifically how they were taught to classify people by race. While you could write some text about how children were shown collections of photos of people, I feeel that this picture shows it in a way that will be more readily understandable. — rybec   18:57, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Rybec, I've looked on the Wikipedia Commons for "Nazi propaganda" and cannot find any exclusive to the "racial pride" apart from the Race and Soul book which was removed for Non-free content, I found this picture of the woman pointing towards the board out of luck essentially and have found that for "racial pride" it would help a readers understanding much better. In the Nazi themes propaganda page there is already " the NSLB stressed that as early as primary schools Germans have to work on only the Nordic racial element of the German Volk (people) again and again and have to contrast this with the racial differences that foreign peoples such as the Jews represent." and "Children in schools through textbooks, posters and films the differences between Germans and Jews, it showed the Germans being the Aryan master race and the Jews were simply untrustworthy, parasitic and inferior subhumans (Untermenschen)." - this does cover the showing of the differences for the picture. Also when you said "I feeel that this picture shows it in a way that will be more readily understandable." where you saying that is how you feel or me?--Andrew Dorsons (talk) 21:06, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You can put that if you like (minus my typo?) but I wasn't presuming to express your opinion, just my own. All that's needed is a non-free use rationale for that photo as used in that article, any explanation of why it meets WP:NFCC and isn't merely decoration. — rybec   22:20, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Well my opinion is that it will help the reader understand that section of the article more clearer by showing them exactly how the youth were taught and it is mentioned in that section about biology schools taking place in which the youth had to know and understand the differences between Germans (and other Aryans) and Jews on such things as simply the alleged differences in the physical looks between the two. Rybec, how do I go about adding this and where do I add this bit of information as it can be made as a non-free and fit the criteria asked.--Andrew Dorsons (talk) 10:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The experts for your questions are at this page: WP:MCQ. They can certainly tell you how to upload the picture to the English Wikipedia (not to Commons; it cannot accept "fair use" images), and can tell you whether "fair use" is in fact reasonable in this case. Be sure to mention the discussion here, at WP:HD -- John Broughton (♫♫) 05:14, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * This IP address is from Nigeria. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * This IP address is from Nigeria. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:51, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

How to add icons to portals
I forgot how to add images to portals, and I want to add an icon for Portal:New Caledonia in place of the puzzle icon. What do I need to do?

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 20:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you create Template:Portal/Images/New caledonia, copying the format of the other subpages listed at Template:Portal/Images. &#32;~HueSatLum 00:49, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! WhisperToMe (talk) 02:23, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Tracing names

 * Heading added by ColinFine (talk) 15:25, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

im looking for help tracing two names the first one is Spendlove and the orther Vicount i would love to know where these names come from and what they mean they are two boys names i was told they could be German but cant find anything on them at all can you help please  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.73.24 (talk) 21:18, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * We don't seem to have articles on these names, though we have one about the title viscount (note the spelling). You could try posting your question at the reference desk. This page is for help about editing Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 15:25, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

A photo with NO copyright problems has been removed; please help
This inquiry involves the page Nicholas Johnson. The photo of myself which I uploaded there yesterday [August 18]: file:Nicholas Johnson.jpg -- has now been removed.

I am the Nicholas Johnson in the photo, and the Nicholas Johnson to whom the Wikipedia page refers.

This photo does not, and could not, have any associated copyright problems.

I am Nicholas Johnson. The photo is of me. I possess the picture. It was not taken from any publication or online source. Thus, as I explained on the forms yesterday, any necessary "copyright" (or "license") for this purpose belongs to me. It was taken by a family member (my sister-in-law) with the understanding I could use it for any purpose I wished. It was not the work of a professional photographer nor done in a photo studio; it was not done by a photographer for a newspaper or magazine. She took the picture with the intention of giving it to me, which she did; she sent it to me; she had no other purpose, nor use for it. She knows I have it on my hard drive. She knows, and approves, that it is the picture I use on my blog, http://FromDC2Iowa.blogspot.com, on the back covers of my books (see, e.g., http://www.amazon.com/Nicholas-Johnson/e/B00B138MYQ), and on a Facebook page, https://www.facebook.com/NicholasJohnsonIowa?ref=hl Indeed, she is flattered I have chosen to use it for these purposes. I would like to use it on my Wikipedia page as well -- and as of yesterday had done so, until it was removed.

I really don't know what more I can provide to convince you there is no copyright problem here. Surely there are other instances in which those who have Wikipedia entries about them have used family photos on their pages. Although I would acknowledge that it is hard to know how to provide this kind of information about a source given the options on your forms.

So why is this coming up now? Because I noticed yesterday that when one searches Google for "Nicholas Johnson," not only are the first five or so hits sites of mine, but Google now provides, in the right hand column, additional information about me, along with a picture, however, of someone who is NOT me. When I saw that most of that information came from Wikipedia, I went to my Wikipedia page and discovered that it had no photo -- a logical explanation for why Google, relying on the Wikipedia page, might have ended up with a picture of some other Nicholas Johnson. Well, I thought, I should upload to Wikipedia an actual picture of me so that so long as Google is inserting that information on the search page they would at least know what picture to use.

So that's the story of the photo, why it does not involve any violation of Wikipedia's standards, and why it came to be uploaded.

Please let me know how we can proceed to get it uploaded once again -- without, hopefully, going through the same process I did yesterday and that is unlikely to be any more successful if I do the same thing over again.

Thank you.

Nicholas Johnson Editor52 (talk) 22:01, 19 August 2013 (UTC) Editor52 (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Nicholas. Your photo was deleted as a copyright violation, either in error (Wikipedia is run by volunteers) or because you did not give enough information when you uploaded it, so that it had the appearance of being in violation of copyright. I will leave a note for the person that deleted it and perhaps they will undelete it. Thanks. Formerip (talk) 22:30, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * To convince us, do one of the following, preferably both: a) go to your bolg and, immediately below the image in question, add a note to say that the image is Creative Commons licensed cc-by-3.0 with a link to the licence details or b) upload - to the Commons - the original image raw image off your sister-in-law's camera. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:22, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

RHaworth: Thank you very much for your help. I have followed your suggestion, and done what you describe as "a" (including, of course, the link, as you request). ("B" looked like it would dump me right back in the soup.) I will check back on my Wikipedia page from time to time to see if the photo reappears -- and then see if Google is able to pick it up! -Nicholas Johnson Editor52 (talk) 00:29, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Nyttend has taken care of it. -- Neil N   talk to me  00:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Uploading a photograph
I have created an entry for a writer, and she sent me her photo to upload. This photo is also available publicly on her website. I uploaded it by loading first on Wikipedia commons. After a couple of months, the photo disappeared. I assume it was removed due to copyright? I uploaded it again, this time not thru Wikipedia commons, and now I only see the name of the file but no photo! (its for an entry shanta acharya)-Please can someone help as I don't have the time and expertise to be trying to sort this out. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by MDash100 (talk • contribs) 22:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You hadn't changed the article to call up the file name of the newly uploaded photo; it was still calling up the old file name. I've changed that for you. You do, however, mention copyright, and I fear that your new photo may disappear, as you have claimed that it is public domain but given no justification for that claim, and you say it's from the author's website, which says: "... Except as noted above, no part of this website is to be reproduced, stored in any sort of retrieval system or transmitted in any form or by any means, without the prior written permission of the relevant copyright holder." - David Biddulph (talk) 22:57, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * and what David didn't say is that the copyright holder telling you that you have permission to upload it on Wikipedia is not enough in two ways: first, we have no way of knowing who you are and what she has said to you; and second, permission to use on Wikipedia is not enough. Please see WP:Donating copyright materials for what would be needed. --ColinFine (talk) 15:28, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I have moved the file to File:Shanta Acharya.jpg which is a more descriptive and accurate name. But it will be deleted without the appropriate permission.--ukexpat (talk) 16:24, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

How to publish an article?
I have an article developed in the sand box, have made 11 edits and the process has involved more than 4 days.

I can not find a place to upload the srticle HTML created in the sandbox — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bertmbc (talk • contribs) 23:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The text you have in your sandbox at User:Bertmbc/sandbox is not at all suitable for a Wikipedia article as it stands now. I've left a welcome message on your talk page which might help explain why and give you some help as far as what direction you need to go right now. Dismas |(talk) 23:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Rather than uploading anything, I think you need to use the procedure described at WP:MOVE. Good luck! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Having said that, User:Bertmbc/sandbox is not a suitable subject for a Wikipedia article. Maybe it should go on WikiSource instead? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:45, 19 August 2013 (UTC)