Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 August 21

= August 21 =

Assistance with changing name of page on Wikipedia?
Hello,

I have recently edited the page titled "Charities Commission (New Zealand)" on Wikipedia at Charities Commission (New Zealand)

The Charities Commission no longer exists (it was disestablished by legislation, on 1 July 2012), and its functions have been transferred to the Department of Internal Affairs and re-named "Charities Services". I have reflected these changes in the update I have posted.

However, I have found myself unable to re-name the Wikipedia page as "Charities Services (New Zealand)", so anyone searching by this name now can't find the correct page. Is someone able to help me do this?

Thank you!

Sandra  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandra Bennett (talk • contribs) 04:01, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. You can rename a page by moving it to a new name.  See WP:MOVE for details and instructions. RudolfRed (talk)


 * I have moved it to Charities Services (no disambiguation is required).--ukexpat (talk) 14:41, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Copying article to new correct official titled article
I was editing an article about Kununurra Airport, a place I know well because my sister and parents live there. Since a major airport expansion was finished last year, the official name of the airport has become East Kimberley Regional Airport. So being conscious of a need to be accurate with in Wikipedia, I thought I would make a correction.

Now, I could have simply made a #redirect to the old Kununurra Airport article. This would mean the page title would be incorrect and so I decided to edit the current article and then copied it to a new East Kimberley Regional Airport page. Almost instantly a bot highlighted the relevance to the old article, despite myself stating in the comments that I intended to create a redirect in the old article.

Essentially, have I put the cart before the horse or simply applied matters in the wrong format or procedure. I am happy for any advice and corrections needed.

Livewireshock (talk) 04:42, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I looked at the article. If it's true that it's still mostly known as Kununurra Airport, then that's where the page should be, even if the official name is different.  See WP:COMMONNAME.   The next time you need to rename an article, look at WP:MOVE.  It puts the page at the new name and automatically inserts the redirect from the old name.   For your case, I think you should redirect from the new page back to Kununurra Airport.  RudolfRed (talk) 04:59, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Copied photos?
Dear editors: I was about to tag this article Katum Kutum for speedy deletion because it is copied from various sources. However, there are images on the page. Two of them have been published along with the copied text, and one has the photographer's name in the newspaper, and it is not the same as the name on the copyright notice on the image file. Is there a proper place to report this? Should I blank the page anyway? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 05:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You can tag the media files as copyright violations here or at Commons (wherever they're hosted). Which images are copyright violations? I see the top-most one has already been tagged. -- Neil N    talk to me  05:37, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, this one: appears to be the same as this one in the Telegraph India at http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130801/jsp/siliguri/story_17167049.jsp#.UhRB1T9TVUo, but has a different photographer name.  This one  appears to be cropped from http://m.outlookindia.com/story.aspx?sid=4&aid=215789, but this doesn't have a photographer shown, so it's hard to tell.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 06:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

re article 'Jensen's Swamp' submitted in January 2013.
I have received a message from HasteurBot advising that more and better references are required. This is a local project, created by volunteers, and it is the very lack of information that makes this Wikipedia article needed. There really aren't any other references. What do I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Essaie2 (talk • contribs) 07:03, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I regret to say that if there are no other sources, then the article should not exist. Wikipedia only accepts articles on items for which there has been substantial coverage in independent sources.  Its purpose is not to act as a publicity medium.  Instead, go out and persuade local papers and news media to write and talk about it, and hopefully it will become notable enough to have an article here.  Rojomoke (talk) 09:28, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry Essaie, but you have a misunderstanding about Wikipedia. A lack of information on a subject does not make a Wikipedia article 'needed': it makes it impossible. Wikipedia is not a means of promotion, no matter how worthy the cause. --ColinFine (talk) 10:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

How is an article assessed?
Hello, I've been working on an article and I was wondering, how can someone assess it and determine how good it is written like many pages here on Wikipedia? Any information regarding this issue would be useful! Inspironss (talk) 07:05, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Please see Good article criteria.--Shantavira|feed me 07:40, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you. This was the page I was looking for Good article nominations Inspironss (talk) 08:27, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I need to create a genuine page regarding the owner of company.
I'm a customer of Webage Solutions India. I have very good experience with this company specially the administrator. I need to create a page addressing him, but it is not for promoting him, it is my choice to create a page for him. So I request you to tell me if I'm doing anything wrong.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farhan0075 (talk • contribs) 07:42, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for asking. You can create an article about him if he meet's Wikipedia's definition of notability, and more specifically notability for people, and if you can demonstrate this by references to published reliable sources discussing him. If he meets these criteria, then see WP:1st. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:52, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Page declined, what to do now?
I created a page called 'Leiden International Film Festival' but it was declined due to a lack of reliable independent sources by Dodger67. I improved it by adding many sources and resubmitted it, but that's over a week ago and I've heard nothing back. The page is actually a translation of a Dutch page that already exists so it shouldn't be too hard to have it put up. Can somebody help me? I've never edited Wikipedia before so I'm in desperate need of some help. Thank you! -Sophie — Preceding unsigned comment added by SophieJansen (talk • contribs) 09:02, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * English Wikipedia has different notability guidelines to other Wikipedia variants, so the fact that it came from a Wikipedia source isn't necessarily a ticket to an easy ride. Also, the Articles for creation teams are usually quite busy, so you may have to wait some to hear back from them. You'll see at the top of the page you created that there is a wait of 2-3 weeks currently estimated, as there are over 1000 articles waiting for review. Give it time, and it'll be reviewed again. However, I've just taken a look over the article myself, and you may want to consider the following:
 * The tone seems to be quite promotional in places, rather than encyclopaedic. For instance, phrases like "brainchild", and "not only" read more like an advert than an informative, non-bias article. Consider revising the tone of the article.
 * The article seems to have multiple formatting issues. For instance, what appears to be an attempt at a title is instead displayed as s, and you have placed a source on a title line. Sources should be inline with the text, backing up the points made in the content of the article, rather than the names of sections. Also, numbers shouldn't be formatted with "."s denoting thousands in English Wikipedia. Finally, the content of the Competition section is formatted as if it is a code sample, rather than informative text. Consider using a table, as this BAFTA award does.
 * The table for visitor numbers and winners needs sources that back up all the data. Unfortunately, you cannot use other Wikipedia articles, no matter what language, as sources.
 * Some explanation of the content of the table may also be useful. For instance, what is "Iron Herring"? The table heading gives no indication of what this term means, nor how to find out more about it.
 * Finally, you'll need a few more sources. As mentioned above, Wikipedia isn't an accepted source, although you may find you can get some sources from the article you've currently cited. Most of the other sources are primary, meaning they are from the organisation itself. This doesn't prove the notability of the subject, and often leads to promotion-centric articles. Look for articles on reliable news sites, journals, or in newspaper archives.
 * If you try to incorporate some of the above suggestions into your article before it is next reviewed, it's more likely to get accepted into article space as soon as possible. If you need help with any of the formatting issues I've mentioned, you can ask me on my talk page. I hope this helps! drewmunn talk 09:45, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

World Firefighters Games
To whom it may concern, I am a friend of the Worldfirfighters Games and have been looking at it lateley and it appears that someone has been editing the page so as to remove the full history of the World Firefighters games and use it to promote their own by assuming control of the page. I have noticed that the page is now locked from editing until FEB 2014 this is a great idea but wouldn't it be prudent to restore the original content of the games that was available for many years until someone calling themselves WFG changed and deleted the history and many other sections releveant to the World Firefighters Games. I feel that an injustice is being done here and that you are able to correct it quite easily. Kindest regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Straightnnarrow (talk • contribs) 09:11, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! There are still some major issues with this article, and it looks like it needs some serious work. May I suggest that you start an edit request on the article's talk page for the content you wish to see reinstated. Meanwhile, the user you have mentioned seems to be in contravention of Wikipedia's username guidelines, so I will look at beginning action to resolve that also. Thank you for your vigilance! drewmunn talk 09:29, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

can i connect my any mobile with directly to pen drive
plz give me fast answer.i want to need. actually i took subject in research methodology and sunject name is mobile with pendrive connectivity.i also know about android mobile connect with pen drive using otg. plz give me some information about i mention is subject topic.i want to connect my every mobile with pendrive.can i use otg to my simple mobile also.plz i expect some anwer from u — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.106.9 (talk) 10:45, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * This page is for questions on how to use Wikipedia. You may find the reference desk more useful. drewmunn talk 10:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Citation popup window failing
Description of problem= Sometimes under the cite tab of the editing window (Not VE), the templates drop down menu "drops down" behind the editing panel itself, so you can't see or select the templates in the list. Other times, the drop down menu does appear correctly, but clicking on one of the template choices does not bring up the citation window.

Refreshing the page a few times usually solves this problem, but it is v annoying if in the middle of something. This only started happening after VE was introduced. I blame VE, somehow it is making bugs even though I don't even use it. Advice appreciated if anyone knows anything about this bug and how to fix it. Lesion ( talk ) 11:22, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not a problem I seem to be able to replicate; what browser and OS are you using? I personally use ProveIt for referencing most of the time (you can enable it in your preferences), and find it much nicer than the built in tools. drewmunn talk 11:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I use chrome on windows 8. This set up was working fine before VE, and I don't want to learn how to use a new add on when the old one works fine 95% of the time. It's just that it used to work 100% of the time. I know, I know ... Post hoc ergo propter hoc but honestly this started after VE was launched. I only complain now because it is starting to annoy me and I was wondering if this is a known bug. Lesion  ( talk ) 11:40, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Go to RefToolbar, select the version you are using and discuss on the talk page. --  Gadget850talk 12:15, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Rejection and Submission
I had an article rejected twice and I corrected the article, actually I rewrote the article, according to the suggestions made by the people that reviewed the article and that has been more than a week ago yet no one will check the article again. I have resubmitted it several times..What do I need to do to get the article checked again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisabohler (talk • contribs) 13:21, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * To get it checked, you need to resubmit it. But at present I believe it would fail: most of the references you have are either not reliable sources (eg blogs) or not independent of the subject. There is still peacock language, it's formatted in great blocks of text which are hard to read and have few references, much of the material seems to be not about the Chateau but about certain individuals. The lede needs to give some context, like "The Chateau de Canisy is a fifteenth century castle in Northern France". But the shortage of independent, reliable sources is the most serious problem. --ColinFine (talk) 14:24, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I think, Colin, that you might be starting to share some of Lisa's confusion. It has been resubmitted, and in fact the last 5 edits to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Chateu de Canisy have each been submissions, and of course the last 4 have been pointless because they have just been resubmitting the same version. Colin's points on the content are, of course, valid. Another point, of course, is that Lisa seems to have got muddled with the spelling of the draft, having missed out the second letter "a" from the word "Chateau", so she may want to move the draft. There is further confusion in that as well as the draft at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Chateu de Canisy there is also a Articles for creation/Chateu de Canisy, apparently being worked on in parallel, but that isn't where an AFC draft belongs so to avoid further confusion she may want to tag that with  to get it deleted once she has salvaged any content that she wishes to keep for the other version.  (This latter one not only spells "chateau" wrongly in the draft title but gets confused between singular & plural & refers to it as "chateaux" in numerous places in the text). - David Biddulph (talk) 15:02, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Ekin Tunçay Turan
Dear editors: This is the first article that I have nominated for an Afd discussion, because the main text had to be deleted as a copyright violation and there were no independent sources. I notified the Turkish Wikiproject, since any possible references would probably be in Turkish.

A helpful editor has rewritten the biography text. The original article author left an unhappy posting on my talk page, and I suggested that he/she post at the Afd discussion in favour of keeping the article, but so far that hasn't happened. No one else has commented. Is there something else that I should have done? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 13:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you did nearly everything right. You forgot to sign on the WikiProject Turkey talkpage, I think? I have linked the page here to the corresponding one on Turkish wp, and added an Expand Turkish tag to the article. As you surely know, if you now feel that the article should not be deleted, there's nothing to stop you from withdrawing your nomination at the AfD discussion. If you do so, you could also ask if that makes the article a "speedy keep". Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Does Wikipedia have any sort of suggestions regarding pronunciations in articles? Particularly in medical and legal articles, very long, unfamiliar words are used and the reader has no idea how to pronounce them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.100.30.159 (talk) 13:47, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Articles about named people or places often do have a pronunciation guide, sometimes even a recorded segment. But it would not be appropriate to provide pronunciation guides for words which happen to be used in articles: see a dictionary for this. --ColinFine (talk) 14:28, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

improve/deletion warning
Hi, I'm editing "Knightmare on Wall Street"(book)but it seems to have multiple issues and it about to be delete. I would like to improve the article and save it from deletion. I'll apreciate your help. Martin Campos
 * Martin raul campos (talk) 16:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There doesn't seem to be any evidence of the notability of the subject, and no sources are presented to prove otherwise. At the very least, major work must be done to revise the content. The page title is incorrect, the structure is poor, and the tone of the content is incorrect. All of these improvements, however, are unlikely to resolve the underlying issue that the book does not seem to meet the notability criteria. drewmunn talk 16:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I didn't realize wikipedia is a political site
This is completely outrageous, Paul LePage. Do you really allow this kind of political hatchet jobs on wiki? If so I can cite many sources about Barack Obama's agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.179.157.205 (talk) 16:29, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Although every effort is made to ensure content added by Wikipedia's large number of contributors, it is not possible to moderate ever one of the millions of live article at all times. As I am not knowledgable in the area of American politics, I cannot judge whether your comments are accurate with regards the article you have mentioned. However, you may wish to start a request for comment on the article's talk page, requesting other editors opinions on the content, and suggesting changes. drewmunn talk 16:34, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a political site, as I suspect you well know. It tries to maintain neutrality, but particularly on controversial topics, it is impossible to satisfy everybody's view of the topic; and sometimes an article does get written with a bias and not corrected. At first sight Paul LePage appears to be well-referenced, from reliable sources; but like SonicScrewdriver I know nothing about Maine politics, and it is quite possible that the article is one-sided. Please follow Sonicdrewdriver's suggestion. --ColinFine (talk) 18:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Redirect requests
Hi, anybody know if there's an official way to request an article become a redirect? For example, when we want to propose a page deletion, we have AfD, which allows us to get a bunch of eyes on the article. It's also super-simple to pop that request through Twinkle. I know that I can personally turn a page into a redirect, but the page doesn't get a lot of foot traffic, and my preference would be to get some sort of consensus to justify the redirect, so we can avoid the back-and-forth that sometimes happens with redirects. Boomerang +1 is the article. It's both been an article and a redirect, but the article was essentially a duplicate of Boomerang (UK & Ireland) and didn't impart any new information that wasn't already covered in the main article. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There's no defined system that I know of, but an RfC on the page to which it would redirect would probably be the best manner in which to gain opinions. A little more outlandish, perhaps, would be a merge request. Although there's not content to merge, it would have the same effect (merging a blank page into a full page and having a redirect created). However, it's a little round-the-houses when an RfC would provide the same function. I hope this helps! drewmunn talk 17:35, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice! Thanks much! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Assistance with article
Is anybody here? This is the 3rd time I have requested assistance with my article over a period of 2 days! Jealosy is very un-becoming with a neutral source!?

Please respond! Kurt and friendsWwkweinberg (talk) 18:50, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * What article are you referring to? If it is the text that is on your user page, User:Wwkweinberg, then it's hard to tell what you're trying to get across to the reader.  Maybe Your first article and Article wizard will help you out.  Dismas |(talk) 19:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It was an article I tagged for speedy deletion. Take a look at his talk page. Insulam Simia (talk) 19:03, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * First, please be patient. Everybody here is a volunteer, and works on what they choose, rather than to your deadlines. Secondly, read the response to your previous posting here, and stop trying to create an autobiography (if that's not what you're doing, I apologise, but I can't find any references to any other article you have worked on). Third, please assume good faith rather than talking about jealousy. The deletion, and the responses on your talk page, are governed by Wikipedia's rules. --ColinFine (talk) 19:07, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia article "Lewis Lockwood"
Dear Help Desk: In the article "Lewis Lockwood" can you help me delete the reference number "3" and the apparently defective reference information -- and renumber the remaining refereBoccherini (talk) 19:28, 21 August 2013 (UTC)nce numbers and material? Lewis Lockwood ^^^^Boccherini (talk) 19:28, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅ Removed info now left unsourced as well. Insulam Simia (talk) 19:33, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Assistance with article
Thanks Wiki user's/reference desk for your assistance! I will use set-up wizard, and other accepted procedures for the article in the future! Usalim-I think you are working for Hawking! K.R.W Wwkweinberg (talk) 19:44, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

use of 'fair use' information when writing a ancestry history book
I have referenced Wiki. in factual information for Hobo's; Model A ford; Fall Creek Massacre; Indiana Rangers; even Joan of Arc and Hundred Year war in France for a 10 generation historical fiction book of my ancestors to be published. What steps do I need to take to insure the 'Fair Use' doctrine is in play or what steps are required for written permission to access your copyrights of these items? Thank you, Rob Harden — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CE9A:810:695B:E431:76EB:94D3 (talk) 19:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Rob. I don't quite understand your question. Almost all the material in Wikipedia is licensed in such a way that it may be freely used for all purposes, commercial or not, as long as the conditions of the licence are met (which are mostly about attribution). See WP:REUSE for the detail. --ColinFine (talk) 20:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't it be necessary for the author to paraphrase (rather than quote) any material in Wikipedia in order to obtain full copyright to the novel? If substantial portions are copied from Wikipedia, wouldn't it cause the Creative Commons copyleft to be inherited into the book?    Robert McClenon (talk) 23:40, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Technically, licensing the derivative work under CC-by-SA is a requirement of the original license. If the writer does not do this, then they are in breach of the license (and possibly infringing copyright), but the derivative work doesn't "inherit" copyleft automatically unless they choose to license it that way (avoiding copyright infringement). If fair use (or some other exception) applies, then there is no need to agree to the license to use the original work, so they can license the derivative however they want. MChesterMC (talk) 10:39, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Fair use means, by definition, that no written permission is required. As for specifics, we can't give you legal advice as to what constitutes fair use. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 05:30, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Creating reference section on talk page
How can I create a reference section on a talk page, and have it be "self contained" so a different editor could create a different reference section? See Template talk:Rtr.

The purpose of the reference section is to provide an example in a discussion of citation techniques. Jc3s5h (talk) 21:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Are you perhaps thinking of Template:Reflist-talk? - David Biddulph (talk) 22:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that was it. Jc3s5h (talk) 22:29, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if that will do what you want. Two in a row, with different citations, produce this:

You might be happier with.

which actually gets it right, or would if the reflist-talk template above them worked properly. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:22, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, that does seem to work better. By the way, in general, it would be helpful if people writing help information about templates didn't assume the reader had read and digested the source code for the template. I suppose the "close" parameter is used in a manner where it only matters if it is defined, not what the value is. But a person who has not examined the source code doesn't know that, so it isn't obvious that "close=1" and "close=yes" are equivalent (or are they?). The string "yes" (without regard to capitalization) does not occur in the documentation for the reflist template. Jc3s5h (talk) 17:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Citing new media sources
I'm having a thought, but I'm not sure how (or if) to proceed. I was looking at the citation templates, and knew from dealing with media-related articles that there is a protocol for media sources (television, et al.), and I was making minor tweaks to the article on comedian Judy Gold as I was listening to an interview with her on Marc Maron's WTF podcast. Is citing a podcast 1) something that would be appropriate in certain contextx and 2) something that would be done via that broadcast citation template? Absurdist1968 (talk) 22:18, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * As long as it meets the notability criteria, I see no reason not to use a podcast as a source. In fact, I'm sure I've come across them as references before. I'd use the cite AV media template, which includes a medium parameter that supports "Podcast" as an option. drewmunn talk 22:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * We actually have cite podcast, but I eventually want to merge it into cite AV media. --  Gadget850talk 09:59, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll therefore pretend I know the future, rather than not searching thoroughly enough… On a similar note, would you recommend cite AV for internet television shows over cite episode? drewmunn talk 17:36, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

location on map in infobox
Hello, In Carrière des Nerviens Regional Nature Reserve, I can not point the reserve on the map. Would you help me, please. Thanks. Christian COGNEAUX (talk) 22:33, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * will do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:02, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I've made some changes to the infobox (the "type" parameter was misused, for one thing). Is the result what you want? Deor (talk) 10:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)