Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 August 24

= August 24 =

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Logos
Dear editors: While checking the above article for copyright violations, I found this web page:

http://browse.feedreader.com/c/CLG_Wiki_Recently_Updated_Pages/339651248 and

http://browse.feedreader.com/c/CLG_Wiki_Recently_Updated_Pages/324849050.

On further investigation, though, I think this is a hoax. I couldn't find any reference to the company at the top of the article on Google, and what I found instead was this:

http://browse.feedreader.com/c/CLG_Wiki_Recently_Updated_Pages/339651244

which is very similar but with the name changed and other text changed slightly to keep the sense of the article. Should I nominated it for deletion as a copyvio or a hoax? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 00:05, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Earwig's copyvio detector also gives this website. I think the whole thing is a copyvio of quite a few different websites, I've nominated it as such. In cases of doubt, if you know it meets one CSD criteria unequivocally (the copyvio in this one), and are unsure or less sure about another one, just nominate it as the one you're sure of. Most times, it won't matter why it's deleted, just that it's deleted expediently. ~ Charmlet -talk- 02:18, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Need Assistance
Friend i am little bit confuse on below topics please help... What is the proper definition of Assets ? what is Capital Assets with some example ? What is Fixed Assets with some examples ? What is Current Assets with some examples ? What is liabilities with some examples ? what is Different between Capital and Fixed Assets with some examples ? What is different between Fixed and Current Assets with some examples ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitzneeraj (talk • contribs) 04:05, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * This page is for asking about how to use Wikipedia. You can try your questions at the reference desk, but these look like homework and we can't do your homework for you.  RudolfRed (talk) 05:59, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You will probably find the answers in the Wikipedia articles capital asset, fixed asset and current asset. --ColinFine (talk) 11:06, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

The naming of many tribes who are working in the tea industry of Assam.
Tea-tribes

While looking for the workers who work in the tea gardens of Assam, I came across this page. The naming as tea-tribe is full of wrong information. While explaining the needs for the knowledge of the workers cast and tribes, the authors must have some serious lack of knowledge about the tribes. Therefore I ask you to kindly look into article and take necessary actions. Faithfully your, AmarjSurin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amarjsurin (talk • contribs) 04:45, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * If you think an article can be improved, please improve it. Wikipedia is entirely created by volunteers like you and me: there isn't anybody to "look into the article and take necessary actions". --ColinFine (talk) 11:08, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank You Wikipedia Donors
When I was in high school I was always told by my teachers to "not use Wikipedia. Period!" That was something I never followed because for me there was no other educational site that helped me learn so much, so quickly. Even if I found a perfectly sourced article that was 100% legit, I would get a failing grade as if I had gone over there head and disrespected them by disobeying them. I never meant to do that. So many of my class mates swore by Wikipedia it became out of hand and the site almost banned on our school computers. Luckily that didn't happen. I was a C+ to B- student at best without Wikipedia's help but was asked to be a tutor for many students for my diverse way at approaching educational logistics. I wouldn't even show up in person for a session. If a student had a specific question that I could not help them with off the top of my head I would go to a Wikipedia page on the subject they needed help with and help them learn that subject in there own way without giving them the answer by forming the subject info in a manner the student could understand. I have ADHD so if I was not interested and passionate about what I was learning or being taught, good luck with trying to get through to me. It didn't work. I'm not sure why but I was able to make Environmental Science seem fascinating to a struggling student who smoked marijuana everyday, had a tumultuous family relationship and was much more concerned with having a good time in there social life. He was on the verge of dropping out. I ended up tutoring him for the next 2 years. He was a soon-to-be failing student who graduated with a 3.0 GPA. I showed him how my method of madness worked on him. He picked up that method and ran with it, becoming a tutor himself. The logistics of teaching a non-interested and heavily distracted student can sometimes seem overwhelming and damn near impossible but Wikipedia seems to defy that statement with a person who has insight paired with the gift of putting certain wikipedia information and subjects in a way that makes mathematics as interesting and fun as MTV.

Thank you to everyone who donates to make this online encyclopedia up and running. Wikipedia educational logistics solutions is a beautiful thing.

-Pete C.      Hampden County, MA

Post Script - I apologize for my grammar and sentence forming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.33.163.169 (talk) 07:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the kind words about Wikipedia. Just one important piece of advice for students, and that is not to use Wikipedia itself as a source of reference, but instead to use the more fundamental sources of information which the relevant Wikipedia article gives as its reference sources. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:32, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Not sure where to ask for Header Hierarchy Questions
Is there a comprehensive listing detailing the hierarchy of headers?

I am looking for something to tell me which order is preferred for placing headings within an article. A "this heading must be listed before this heading" kind of thing.

e.g. we wouldn't want the "references" heading the first one on the article page, etc., but where exactly should it appear??

Surely, there must be some continuity protocol in such ordering, no?

Thank you!


 * WP:Manual of style is a good place to start. (Please sign your postings on talk and discussion pages with four tildes ( ~ ). --ColinFine (talk) 11:10, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt reply, and I probably should have qualified that I did check the Manual of Style, but did not find that which I sought, that being simply a list ... a listing of the preferred order for common headings. Not explanations, not rules, not discourse .... but a list. I did say "list," right?

Thanks, again, for your prompt reply, and constructive directives67.247.249.162 (talk) 11:26, 24 August 2013 (UTC) :-)
 * Is Manual of Style/Layout what you are hoping for? Arjayay (talk) 11:29, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Specifically, there's a list of the order in which "See also", "References", "External links", etc., sections should be arranged at WP:ORDER. Deor (talk) 11:32, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

We're getting closer!! Thank you all for taking the time to reply! I did see that which covers the appendices, references, etc., which is excellent, and that is what prompted my question about a more comprehensive, simple listing to apply to everything else.

Is there not a more comprehensive listing comprised of the most commonly used headings/subheadings? I guess the answer is no. Which is fine. I was simply looking for a single go to list that would only contain "the most commonly used headings and subheadings" listed one on top the other showing a preferred hierarchy. I guess it isn't generally that important a thing, if there already isn't such a listing. (similar to the listing for references ordering)

Thanks everyone for your time! I appreciate the offering of your assistance!67.247.249.162 (talk) 11:56, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * There are so many different types of articles that a general list can only cover appendices. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:27, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * What most people do is look at some existing articles—especially featured articles and good articles—dealing with topics similar to the one they want to write about. Then they copy or adapt those articles' structures. Deor (talk) 18:02, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Dab solver
Dear editor: When I receive messages from Dab solver, I usually just go and fix them, but today I decided to give the tool a try. It quickly brought up a list of possible target pages; I selected one, made an edit summary, and clicked on "Save". Nothing happened. I had to go and fix the DAB manually. Did I miss something? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 12:30, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the Save button is greyed out unless you are signed in there, so you have to either sign in, or Preview and then save. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:57, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have already fixed my current issue manually, so I'll have to wait until I make another boo-boo to try your advice.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:30, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Copied personal Bio on wiki. It says it may be copied from another website.
Hi,

I just created a page and it says that it may be copied from another source. The source is from me. What should I do?

It states:

'''Hello DrexNY,

It seems to me that an article you worked on, Mike Matsumura, may be copied from http://www.austinyogaconference.com/presenters/mike_matsumura.php. It's entirely possible that I made a mistake, but I wanted to let you know because Wikipedia is strict about copying from other sites.

It's important that you edit the article and rewrite it in your own words, unless you're absolutely certain nothing in it is copied. If you're not sure how to fix the problem or have any questions, there are people at the help desk who are happy to assist you.

Thank you for helping build a free encyclopedia! MadmanBot (talk) 13:36, 24 August 2013 (UTC)'''

Thank you kindly,

MIke — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrexNY (talk • contribs) 13:46, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * If you wish to donate to Wikipedia items for which you hold the copyright, the process is at donating copyright materials. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:53, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * However even if you do donate the content, I'm afraid we wouldn't really want it as it stands anyway, as it is promotional, has no reliable 3rd party references and since you are writing about yourself you have a clear conflict of interest. Please have a read of Autobiography-- Jac 16888 Talk 13:55, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking at Mike Matsumura, just before it was deleted, I see that copyright is only one of the problems. The article had no references, & gave no indication as to why the subject is notable in Wikipedia's terms. You need to read the links in the welcome message on your user talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:01, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Playing short foreign language recordings on Wiki
I am a linguist and until recently utilised Winamp (by Nullsoft) to play the short tape-segments in OGG format in the pronunciation guides which are included at the head of numerous Wikipedia articles - personal names, placenames, etc.

The latest version of Winamp (My OS is WIN 7) no longer works for me, nor does Window Media Player, when I click on the the speaker icon and tape-segment display.

Is there an easy solution to enable me to overcome this (hopefully) temporary problem? Geoff Powers (talk) 17:02, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I have now resolved this issue. Geoff Powers (talk) 20:56, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Update


 * How? Please share the solution with us. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:36, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Orthodox Christian Church
Hi,

I have found some errors on an important page, with regards to Orthodox Christian Church name, an attempt to change the name for Orthodox Christian Church into Orthodox Catholic Church would not be left unpunished by the Lord, the Christ. He is not Catholic, but He is the Christ.

Take care of His Church name, or He will find you guilty and burn you in flames of Hell. Do not associate Christian Church with Catholic Church. Orthodox Christian Church is that follow the Christ, from what the name Christian Church. Do not temper with this name, and take good care of your website if you want to provide with informations. Other God will punish you. He start already with His Judgment in the World, you don't watch the news?

Do not change the name, do not temper with Christians, do not play with God, cause His kingdom is at the door.

You, that read this words, take a good care of your Lord's church name. He is not amused that you change and allow others to lie to people with the help of your website.

When God say "No more!" you better understand and do the right thing.

Do not temper with His Church name, for you will burn in hell, everyone who disregards His name will perish and they will be removed from Book of Life. Have you forget the Christ is the Son of God?

In my documents, my religion is written as "Orthodox Christian", not "Orthodox Catholic", And for your info, Orthodox mean "Strict" with regards to God Words that are found in the Bible. Orthodox are not the same as Catholics. That is the difference between teachings. Do not play with His name.

Do not allow to lose God's people with the help of your website, cause He, the Christ, will punish you like He never punish before, for NOBODY TEMPER WITH HIS NAME.

"Sickness and plague to be over you and your family and your dear ones if you Change His name, for those who temper with My name", God said into you by His Prophets, have you forgot?

Earthquakes and rain, fire and sinkholes, sickness and plague for unfaithful, those who change God words and meanings, for this generation is a pervert generation who change God Words. God will remove anyone from the earth who change and disobey the Law.

DO NOT CHANGE THE NAME OF HIS CHURCH, for He is coming to you soon to ask you what have you done with His name and WHY you lie people by changing the name.

Jesus = Christ = Christian

Orthodox Christian Church or Catholic Christian Church

See the difference? it can't be Orthodox Catholic Church, because is nothing Orthodox about Catholics. Have you seen Strict Catholics? Strict to what? to pedophiles in Vatican? Lord knows this, and if you read from the Word of God you will see, at the End Times the Lord destroy Rome and Catholic Church because they are a House of Satan, not the followers, but those they "teach the Bible" and the way they use the Word of God to gain Power and obedience for them.

You my friend, you will do good if you put His name on His Church, then maybe He will spare you.

Chance back the name of your Lord church as Orthodox Christian Church, not as you have it now.

Word of God. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.122.171.111 (talk) 17:28, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The name is cited by reliable sources. We can't accept original research. Thanks, Insulam Simia (talk · contribs) 17:31, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's assume you're Orthodox, even if the polemics above are not very Christian - don't you recite the Nicene Creed in your liturgy? Isn't your Church "one, holy, apostolic" and something else? Consider the meaning of the word in Greek. It is quite an innocuous word that we leave untranslated, but you can say "Universal" instead. Isn't your Church universal? Are you denying this truth about your own faith? Elizium23 (talk) 18:10, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia editors do not like legal threats, and anyone making legal threats here will have his account blocked. I believe that threatening us with the flames of hell will earn you even less respect. Maproom (talk) 07:54, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That is true but irrelevant. There are specific reasons for the policy against legal threats.  The threat of Hell is merely a violation of the policy against using talk pages as a soapbox.  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:43, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

What happens if the talkpage consensus is wrong?
The consensus in 1948 Arab–Israeli War is always against Israel, since I am the only Israeli regular contributor.

As an example, Let us take the issue of the Arab reaction to 1947 UN Partition Plan concerning Palestine. It is agreed that the Arabs rejected it because they wanted Palestine to become a unitary state only and they would not accept any partition of Palestine. But when I added  "any form of partition was rejected by the Arabs" it was deleted with the reason that "already written in the article "firmly opposed" or "opposed to any form of" means the same but without poved and useless nuance. style is better." This reason is looking reasonable at a first glance, but actually, there is a big difference between: The diff page.
 * "firmly opposed", which is misleading. it hints that the Arab could have accepted a better partition, which is not correct.
 * "opposed to any form of partition" which is clear and correct, but was deleted.

This an example only. There is a group of users who routinely deletes most of my contributions. They apply a war of attrition tactics:
 * Accusing me for nothing. e.g "Band" or "Arabs" on one side versus "the boys" on the other side is a basic pov pushing . But I have never used the term "bands, except of a direct quote of a respected historian.
 * telling wrong "facts": "because the adversary were not the Jews as an ethny". but when I prove that it is an error, the only reply is blaming me " you're blogging' on general issues again, not sticking to the section heading. We are here to resolve specific editing problems, not to descant on Zionism vs Palestinians"

and so on.

Is that the rule and there is nothing to do about it? thanks Ykantor (talk) 17:44, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Look at Dispute resolution for your options. You could start a WP:RFC to attract wider community input. -- Neil N   talk to me  18:03, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Isn't the article under discretionary sanctions? Have you tried ArbCom enforcement?  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:31, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you NeilN and Robert McClenon. I will try it. Ykantor (talk) 19:44, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * "The consensus in 1948 Arab–Israeli War is always against Israel, since I am the only Israeli regular contributor." (Ykantor)
 * There are numerous "Israeli regular contributors" on wikipedia. And why the fact there would only be only one or even none would create a consensus "against Israel" ? There is no such things as "anti-Israel" or "pro-Israeli" consensus on wikipedia. You doesn't seem to understand this project and fails to comply with WP:AGF. Pluto2012 (talk) 20:40, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Kissing Shakespeare
Hi, I've started the article for the 2012 YA novel Kissing Shakespeare by Pamela Mingle. However, does anyone know how to reach other readers so that they can help contribute to the article? Also, does what I've done so far is under the Wikipedia's terms?--NeoBatfreak (talk) 18:57, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Your first priority will be providing evidence that the article subject meets Notability (books) guidelines. You need to show in-depth coverage of the book in third-party published sources to indicate the level of notability required. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:17, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That's why I ask if there's anyway to ask for other readers to help. So far, I am just reading the book, and judging what I saw from Barnes & Noble, it is a bestseller which as been sold out every week.  I assumed that some of the Wikipedia's editors are its readers as well.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 19:24, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I would suggest a few things. The first of which, you have done.
 * Add relevant WikiProject banners to the talk page.
 * Since that's done, you might go looking for help from members of those WikiProjects either by posting to their talk pages (I'd suggest trying WikiProject Children's literature first) or by contacting individual members of those projects.
 * Add a notice that you've created the article to the talk page of the author. Since the author doesn't have an article, that's impossible to do at this point.  I'd suggest working on an article for her, if she's notable.
 * Hope this helps, Dismas |(talk) 19:40, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Although I am sure that it is going to be tough, since the book is new despite its current popularity.  I also added a message on WikiProject Children's literature's talk page as you suggested.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 20:46, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Neobatfreak. I'm afraid if it doesn't matter if the book has one reader or a million readers: until some of those readers (or even some people who have not read it) have written about it in independent reliable sources, it fails the test for notability, and cannot have a Wikipedia article about it. Contacting other readers is irrelevant, unless they know about published articles about the book. --ColinFine (talk) 23:12, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I's try to add some stuff tomorrow.  For now, I just cited some quotes from some reviews I've just read.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 06:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Are those reviews published in the mainstream press? That's exactly the type of sources the article needs. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:31, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well,Booklist and School Library Journal are used as within Fresno County Public Library catalog. In fact, School Library Journal is has been used for in school and public library systems for patrons to read, so they can decide whether to take a particular item.  So, yeah, they have merits.  I will finish writing the summary after I finish reading the book.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 06:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Picture in infobox, getting it centered
Hello,

I recently put together an infobox for a Wikipedia page entitled "Murray Waas", and included a picture within the infobox.

After a lot of work and tinkering,I uploaded the picture to Wikipedia, put together the box, and also got the pic in!

But I have been unable to center the pic in the middle of the top of the infobox. Instead the best that I could do was to include the pic, but it appears awkwardly to the left.

Was hoping perhaps that someone could perhaps go the page "Murray Waas" and just center the pic in the middle of the info box. I would try myself, but even with the best instructions, probably screw it up. So hoping someone might do it, and also double check that I do the info box in the right place and did it correctly. My first one! Also the pic from the infobox shows up against my will in the notes section, and couldn't get rid of it there. Hoping someone could show me how to fix that, or better yet just do it. For someone with the knowhow, they might be able to fix it in a couple of minutes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cathradgenations (talk) 22:01, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Whether the problem has been solved or not, it looks fine to me.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:58, 28 August 2013 (UTC)