Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 August 28

= August 28 =

Username
How do I add my personal name to my User Page? I will still use my Username for editing, etc., but want to add my own name for reference purposes to the page. Thank youRoc N Rose (talk) 01:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * If you click on the red link User:Roc N Rose it will allow you to create your user page. User pages gives guidance. - David Biddulph (talk) 01:41, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank youRoc N Rose (talk) 05:19, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

M.E. Hart Entry
MC Double Def Disk Protector not Double Penetration that is a porn reference. Please correct. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.37.243 (talk) 03:29, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, the page was vandalized, and has now been fixed. In the future, you can fix that sort of problem yourself, by clicking "edit source" up near the top of the page.  Howicus (talk) 03:44, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Washington Circle
I rearranged and renamed the sections of this article (chronological order in the history section), but didn't delete anything other than one low-quality image. Now six of the references read Missing or empty |url= (help); or |accessdate= requires |url= (help) in the references section. The ones that are supposedly missing access dates are not missing them. What's causing this? Thanks for any feedback. 204.111.20.10 (talk) 05:13, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. They were like that before your edits. The problem is that whoever added those references supplied "access dates" for them, but they are not web references and so include no URLs. Giving an access date for a URL is helpful; for a printed work it isn't, and that is what the error messages are trying to say. Maproom (talk) 06:26, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

This set of error messages was enabled two days ago. From the help pages:


 * Missing or empty |url=
 * This error message is reported only by where url is blank or omitted. The url parameter is required so that title can link to the web resource.


 * accessdate= requires |url=
 * The accessdate is the date that the web resource addressed by url was added to the article. If accessdate has been included in the citation without url then this message appears. If the citation does not use a web link, then accessdate is redundant and should be removed.

If the help is not clear, please give us some feedback. --  Gadget850talk 11:52, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks for the help. I altered the parameters for now.  204.111.20.10 (talk) 09:32, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Wrong Information uploaded in OQYANA page
Dear Sirs,

I represent 'OQYANA Real Estate Co.', in Kuwait and we have read the page on OQYANA uploaded at Wikipedia. Please be informed that some of the information uploaded is in-correct and outdated. We need to rectify the same. Please advice on how we go about to update the page.

OQYANA (talk) 05:36, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You should not edit the page yourself, as you have a conflict of interest. To get changes made to the page, you should describe what you want changed at the article's talk page Talk:OQYANA, if possible giving references that confirm what you say, and wait for an impartial editor to make the changes. Maproom (talk) 06:32, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Just for documentation, User:OQYANA has been informed that the user name is against the rules.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

International Language Programs ILP
Bisnis utama ILP adalah memberikan pendidikan bahasa secara efektif, efisien, dan berkualitas melalui kurikulum, metode, teknologi dan materi yang sesuai dengan zaman dan golongan usia. Selain itu, ILP juga memberikan penilaian-penilaian yang sesuai dengan standar internasional yang terus disempurnakan secara berkesinambungan...

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariopangestu (talk • contribs) 06:13, 28 August 2013‎
 * Hi! This page is for asking questions about Wikipedia - it's not a good place to submit text for an article. Also, we only accept articles in English here. You would do better at the Malay Wikipedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:46, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I suspect that it is not Malay, but the similar-looking Bahasa Indonesia. Maproom (talk) 06:59, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

El artículo referente a Gaitè Parisienne, en la Wikipedia.
La traducción del artículo "Gaitè Parisienne" del inglés al español está mal hecha. He tratado de colaborar enviando algunas correcciones. Creo que puedo coregirlo todo, a pesar de que no poseo un dominio absoluto del inglés. Por favor envíen un correo si existe la posibilidad de colaborar con ustedes en ésta tarea. Gracias.

English-Spanish translation of "Gaitè Parisienne" item unfortunatly is wrong. I bilieve I could help to improve wrong translations, in spite of no having a full command of English. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.143.134.225 (talk) 07:12, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The article (here on English Wikipedia) is Gaîté Parisienne. I think you are writing about a Spanish-language version. If you are, then the best place to discuss it is at Spanish Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 09:58, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I haven't found a Spanish translation of the article. Where do you see it? Are you referring to a browser feature where you can click somewhere in your browser on Gaîté Parisienne to see a machine translation made by Google Translate or similar? If so then the translation isn't made or published by Wikipedia and it cannot be changed. If you want to help translate articles to Spanish then see es:Wikipedia:Traducciones. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

please make article on bradley manning less confusing for readers
so bradley manning says he wants to become a female called chelsea manning. fine, mention that in the article, but most people still know him as bradley manning. why call bradley "she" in the entire article, even for his early life and military career? this is very confusing for most readers. also causes grammar and logic fails like "she was not allowed to live as an openly gay man". maybe gays are more common in the west but there are readers from my side of the world too. but most readers are more interested in what he did (leaking classified information) than his wanting to become a woman. please make the article much more clearer for the readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.53.162 (talk) 10:05, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * There's already a pretty extensive discussion regarding this that's going on, and has spread to many other article talk pages. We're trying to find the best way to present the information, but there is a lot of disagreement about how to do it. —  Richard  BB  10:09, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for any confusion this may have caused you. However, per our identity guidelines, "Any person whose gender might be questioned should be referred to by the gendered nouns (for example "man/woman", "waiter/waitress", "chairman/chairwoman"), pronouns, and possessive adjectives that reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification. This applies in references to any phase of that person's life." For now, this is how we are dealing with the subject matter, but there is ongoing discussion on the matter. drewmunn talk 10:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * What's confusing this reader is how much more controversial that part of his story has become. Wikipedia has probably gained an Afghan War Diary's worth of text already. Both sides can (and should have been) summed up in a paragraph, and put to a straight vote. It's not rocket science. Either you believe we are what we are, or are what we feel. Tally them up, and there's consensus. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:27, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * See WP:VOTE - X201 (talk) 10:31, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "Either you believe we are what we are, or are what we feel." Unfortunately what has happened to the article is worse than that. I am happy to accept that Manning is now a woman; but I believe it is wrong to use female pronouns for Manning in describing what he did and what happened to him while he was male, as has been done in the article. I am not surprised that 116 finds this confusing. Maproom (talk) 11:42, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Regardless, this discussion belongs on the article talk page. --  Gadget850talk 11:46, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment: Keeley Hazell biography being linked to pornography portal.
There is currently a discussion, here, on whether Keeley Hazell ought to have a link to the pornography portal.--The Vintage Feminist (talk) 12:14, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Greenfield Community School Edits
To Whom It May Concern,

I would like to make some Edits to the greenfield community school Wikipedia page. Please let me know how I can do this.

Best Wishes,

Nadia Karmali. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.110.239.45 (talk) 12:50, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * See "how to edit a page" for information on editing. As long as you are not causing a conflict of interest by editing the page, and observe the guidelines on citations and general editing, you'll be more than welcome to edit the page! drewmunn talk 12:58, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Florian Froehlich
Recently, my text on the Swiss contemporary artist Florian Froehlich has been accepted for publication on Wikipedia in its French version, including 4 images for which the artist is renouncing to all copyright.

I herewith submit an English translation of the same text. All suggestions made by the careful review performed by Soboky, on the behalf of the Wiki team, are also included in this translation. The references are identical. I therefore hope that this translation will meet your expectations to be published soon on Wikipdia. With kind regards and many thanks for your valuable help,

Clément Nussbaumer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clement.nuss (talk • contribs) 13:41, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * English Wikipedia and French Wikipedia have different notability guidelines, and different content guidelines. Try submitting your article at articles for creation, where it will be reviewed and either accepted, or have improvements suggested. drewmunn talk 13:55, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you I'll post a message there ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clement.nuss (talk • contribs) 14:01, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Also note that the copyright owner of the images will have to submit permission to use in a form acceptable to Commons - please take a look at the process described at WP:IOWN.--ukexpat (talk) 14:12, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Manning
firstly, i cannot edit the manning talk page. secondly, for events that happened after manning changed name, fine, call chelsea, but the article now reads like bradley served the military as a woman. please do not confuse readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.53.162 (talk) 13:54, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * See above: MOS:IDENTITY states that we use the current pronoun for all purposes, but this is under discussion at the talk page. drewmunn talk 13:56, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The Chelsea Manning article is semi-protected to curtail the vandalism that has taken place over the past few weeks. If you wish to edit semi-protected articles, feel free to make an account! uhhlive (talk) 14:18, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * As to the other issue: Chelsea says now that she was a woman serving in the military, albeit a woman who had to pretend to be a man. That is bog-standard for transgender people; indeed, the very definition of a transgender person is that they are not and have never been of the gender people believe them to be based on physical characteristics, whether anybody (including them) realized it at the time or not. Their outward gender is a mere disguise, masking (with varying degrees of success) their actual gender. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Mike, that's the most lucid comment on this issue that I have seen amid all the noise that it has generated on Wikipedia. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 14:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. I withdraw my comment in the previous Manning thread on this page. Maproom (talk) 08:06, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

2nd Infantry Regiment
The 2nd Infantry Regiment site has been vandalized 5 times, the last time the page has been blanked! What was done is not good, hope it is not done to other pages! What can be done to restore it without having to do it over in its entirety? Undo won't work. GUNNERGRZ (talk) 14:16, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I have restored it to what appeared to me to be the last good version.--ukexpat (talk) 14:39, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * In the future, if that happens again, click on "view history" next to the "edit (beta)" tab, find the version just before the vandalism, click on that version, click edit, and save it. Howicus (talk) 14:46, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you both for fixing this major act of vandalism, it is much appreciated. Hopefully it will not be repeated! GUNNERGRZ (talk) 15:47, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Web site update
I just want to know how many times update my web site in last 6 months and what are the changes did by web developer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.247.51.94 (talk) 14:17, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * This is the help desk for the English-language Wikipedia. We have no control over other websites. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:21, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Lost track of new page I created!
Yesterday, I submitted a new page for review called 1787 National Committee, Inc. I checked the box to "watch" it. However, after I hit "send" I lost track of the page. It's not under my Watchlist. Where am I in the process now and what should my follow-up be, if any?

Thank you, Emily Mathews — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emilyjmathews (talk • contribs) 14:26, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I see no evidence that this was ever actually submitted; this inquiry is the only edit your account is recorded as ever having made. Of course, if you are actually the Emily Mathews, head of the 1787 National Committee, Inc., you have no business attempting to get your company into Wikipedia anyway: see our guidelines on conflict of interest and on promotion. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:42, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Nicky Slim Ting Walker
Dear Teahouse, My article is currently in the queue for submission however a message for me to add citations has arisen prior to this please can you assist me to find matching citations for my article? I have attempted finding some myself however would be grateful for your assistance with this as id like to overcome the issue and resubmit my article.

Can you have a look over my article again and see what you think I have edited it to make it more factual rather then biography isit ok now? My wiki name is amellondon,

Look forward to hearing from you.--Amellondon (talk) 16:38, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * This is not the Teahouse, it is the Help Desk. But we can still try to help you.
 * I assume the article you refer top is Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Nicky_Slim_Ting_Walker. It has been rejected twice, most recently three days ago, with the advice
 * Add citations (see Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject.
 * You have not taken this advice, the article still has no citations. It does have a list of references at the bottom, and I personally can't judge on whether they include secondary reliable independent sources. But none of them is cited in the article. If you are having difficulty finding acceptable citations, it is likely that it is not your fault, it's just that there aren't any, the subject of the article really isn't sufficiently notable. Maproom (talk) 17:00, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I have checked out this name on the Internet, and found only one semi-independent reference. It may be just too soon for an encyclopedia article about this man.  If his film is produced and gets some press, that may make a difference.  You can leave the article declined in Afc for up to six months, or longer if you make some additions now and then to show you are still working on it.  Then come back later when he has been in the media and try again.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 23:01, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

new article not published?
I created a new article on August 6 under the name "Dogfroyo". It has not been published. Can you tell me the deadline? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Dogfroyo&oldid=567422722 Thanks. 18:01, 28 August 2013 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diazld (talk • contribs)


 * You didn't need to ask 3 times. Your draft at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dogfroyo has not yet been submitted for review. When you think that it is ready for review, you can do so by adding  at the top of the article. But before you do that, please read some of the links in the welcome message on your user talk page; most importantly please read WP:1st, & also please read WP:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:07, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Requests for changes to Fully Protected Talk pages?
I know for Protected mainspace pages (and other non-talk pages) that a request for a change should be placed on the equivalent talk page. But where would requests for changes for pages in the Category:Protected talk pages go? Yes, I know most are archives which shouldn't ever change, but some are not. And I note that the fully protected template on these pages says to discuss on the talk page, whose link goes right back to the page in question. Wierd huh?Naraht (talk) 18:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I only see archived and closed discussions at Category:Protected talk pages. Do you have a real change in mind? If this is just hypothetical speculation about what to do in a non-existing situation then I think we have better things to spend our time on, but admin help could be an option. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:49, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There are few that aren't in either category like MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/log and MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist/log/tableheader. Note that the first one, although marked as protected, is being edited (presumably by administrators). So hypothetical, but there do appear to be a few wierd cases.Naraht (talk) 21:39, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There is always the section at WP:RFED. Monty  845  01:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Noteable person where secondary sources are not available in digital form
I am writing an article about a person who definitely meets the definition of notable—former member of the Canadian Olympic team, two-time Everest Summiteer, CBC columnist, well known adventurer, author, filmmaker, and inspirational speaker. However, most of the press on him was published between 1990 and 2010, and can no longer be be accessed digitally without a paid subscription to the newspaper's website. The person's official website contains scans of these original articles, along with author, publication date, and publication. However, I am being told these are unacceptable as secondary sources because they are hosted on the official website, despite it being obvious that they are scans of secondary sources. What do you recommended? It seems unfair to exclude somebody simply because the bulk of their press is more than three years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.70.199.202 (talk) 19:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * This is bit of a blurry line, as a person should really be mentioned in multiple places to be notable (not a single newspaper). However, per WP:PAYWALL, there is no reason that the originals of these articles cannot be used, even behind a paywall. If you have access to them, link to them. People who aren't paying won't be able to see them, but there are people who are paying, and can verify the information. Alternatively, dig around in the Wayback Archive for information that has been cached. Anything publicly accessibly, behind a paywall or not, that is classed as a reliable source will strengthen your case. drewmunn talk 19:11, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There is not, never has been, and never will be, a requirement that references for Wikipedia articles be available in digital form. What we need are verifiable references. If you know that an article appeared in a reliable source, cite that source, using whatever citation format you are most comfortable with. Just don't "cite" somebody's webpage which contains purported copies of scanned articles, for two reasons: 1) such scans may well be copyright violations, in which case we would be aiding and abetting said copyright violations; and 2) in this age of Photoshop, there is no justification for assuming that supposed scans are authentic in any way. Look at the original publications in libraries where they are held, or in microfilms from reputable publishers. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  19:15, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

English and Spanish
Hello, I am in the progress of getting approved for one wikipedia page in english, how i can translate that page in spanish or do I have to start a new account with Spanish wikipedia?

Thanks

MusicoyAdorador — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicoyadorador (talk • contribs) 20:24, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * To create a Spanish version of an article, you must go to the Spanish language Wikipedia and create it there. You should be able to login there using the same username and password you do here. If not, just visit Special:MergeAccount to assure your account is present on all Wikimedia sites. Scarce2 (talk) 00:40, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Co-Writer Needed!
Hello, I have written an article about a notable recording artist and would like to have it included in Wikipedia. In reading your pages it was suggested that I partner with or have a current wiki writer write the article to help ensure that it adheres to wiki requirements for editing and citations. I would like to connect with any interested writers in efforts to do so. I have already written the article and have all of the links for citation available. I Appreciate your help as I have been trying to do this on my own for a while. Please leave your contact info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.14.57.44 (talk) 20:26, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I suggest that you create an account, write a draft of your article in the sandbox of your account, and invite people to edit it or comment on it. Maproom (talk) 08:12, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

How do I add myself to a wikiproject?
I just created an account and would like to know how to add myself to a wikiproject — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bert.Oriface (talk • contribs) 23:09, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * There is usually a list of members on a page where you can click "Edit source" and add yourself in the same format as the existing members. If this doesn't help then please say which WikiProject it is. Everybody is allowed to edit articles without being connected to any associated WikiProject. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Table width of personal userspace table
I am working on a table for my userspace that is not encyclopedic. Nonetheless, I am hoping someone can tell me how to control the table width. Why is User:TonyTheTiger/QAviews using the full width. Earlier drafts such as this did not.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:13, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Replace  at the opening of the table with  . Scarce2 (talk) 00:44, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Didn't work (unless I am having a cache issue).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:19, 29 August 2013 (UTC)