Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 December 1

= December 1 =

Merged pages: Streatham & Clapham High School
Hi,

The two schools on the above merged page has no connection.

Streatham is in London and Clapham in Pretoria, South Africa.

How does one correct this?

Thanks Ensiklopedie (talk) 00:03, 1 December 2013 (UTC) Izak Kruger


 * Hi, I'm assuming you're referring to Streatham & Clapham High School, which is the name of a high school in London, bearing no relevance to Clapham in South Africa and is not a merged article. Samwalton9 (talk) 00:05, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Right, the infobox logo clearly shows "Streatham & Clapham High School" is the correct name of the London school, and so does the offical website http://www.schs.gdst.net/ which is linked in the article. If you have seen a page claiming a connection between Streatham & Clapham High School and South Africa then please give a link to the page. If you are merely thinking of Clapham High School being a redirect to Streatham & Clapham High School then we don't have an article about the South African school and it's normal practice to create a redirect to the only relevant article we have. List of high schools in South Africa had a link incorrectly going to the London school. I have fixed that.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_high_schools_in_South_Africa&diff=583986026&oldid=582826401] Is that what caused you to post? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:23, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Freedom of the press in Ukraine
Reference help requested.

Hello, I do not know hot to add a source to my sentence about the ‘Censorship of Money’ on your page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press_in_Ukraine#cite_note-19

Please add it for me.

The source to be added:

Alexander Belyakov. The Influence of the ‘Censorship of Money’ on Freedom of Speech in Ukraine Critique Vol. 37, No. 4, December 2009, pp. 601-617 http://alexbelyakov.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Critique-Belyakov1.pdf

Thanks, Alexbelyakov (talk) 00:32, 1 December 2013 (UTC) Alex.
 * Hi. You can do this yourself quite easily! Just add the source you have there with around it :) I've had to revert your edit because you accidentally broke the reference list template at the bottom of the page. Add the ref tags around your source information at the end of your sentence and it will be added to the list at the end of the article automatically. Samwalton9 (talk) 01:06, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Considering your user name matches the source, I guess you are the author. That gives you a conflict of interest and it would be better to suggest the edit at Talk:Freedom of the press in Ukraine with Request edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:37, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Descendants of Maratha prisoners of war (1761)
Dear editors: This old abandoned Afc submission is about to be deleted as a stale draft. Should it be moved somewhere else instead? If so, where? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 03:16, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * This wasn't an article or draft at all, it is a misplaced argument to delte a different article, one that was in fact deleted in august 2012 after an AfD discussion. i see no reason to retain this. DES (talk) 03:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it was the actual deletion discussion, which someone moved from Articles for deletion to Articles for creation. Are the deletion discussions not archived?  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 04:12, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with DES. I think this can safely be deleted, perhaps as a test page. created this on 31 July 2012, then on 1 August 2012 worked out how to create the proper AFD page at Articles for deletion/Descendants of Maratha prisoners of war (1761). -- John of Reading (talk) 09:10, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking this out. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 10:34, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Lebanese navy
i am Rear Admiral Nazih Jbaily the Commander of the Lebanese navy. In your page about the Lebanese Navy you still mention that Admiral Nazih Baroudi is the Commander. I wonder why this is the case, because you updated the page in September this year, and I assumed responsibility in February this year too. You are mostly appreciated to do the correction. Sincerely, RADM Nazih Jbaily — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nazih.jbaily (talk • contribs) 05:34, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing this out. I have updated the article. Maproom (talk) 08:44, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Posting an article created on on user page.
I have an article I have created under "User." I'm ready to post it to Wikipedia, but I can't find the information explaining how to do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ginny Gilbert (talk • contribs) 08:14, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Normally the answer is that you just move it. But having looked at User:Ginny Gilbert I must tell you that it is nowhere near ready for moving to article space, and if you do so, it will likely be deleted very quickly. But in any case autobiography is strongly discouraged in Wikipedia. If you meet the criteria of notability (i.e. several reliable sources, unconnected with you, have written at length about you) then there may be an article about you on Wikipedia, which draws most of its content from those sources; but this should be written by somebody unconnected with you, and without any information which comes from unpublished sources. (Note also that if such an article is written, you will have no control over it). For more information, see the articles I have linked to. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 09:27, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect link in body of article
Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination_machine

The link referenced in paragraph seven to Dr. Hans Goldschmidt as being the inventor of the Shopsmith multi-function woodworking tool is incorrect. This link points to the wrong Dr Goldschmidt... this person being a notable chemist.

I suggest the link be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.10.251.168 (talk) 08:53, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for catching that. I don't think we have an article about this Hans Goldschmidt, so I have replaced the link with plain text. Please feel free to make corrections yourself in future. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:04, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for catching that. I don't think we have an article about this Hans Goldschmidt, so I have replaced the link with plain text. Please feel free to make corrections yourself in future. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:04, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Glasgow
As a professional phonologist I would like to adjust the "English" pronunciation given at the beginning of the article. Scottish (Standard) English is a distinct variety from English English and American English, and is generally spoken by English speakers in Scotland. It's what distinguishes English speakers from Scotland as Scottish, i.e. it's their "Scottish-sounding" accent. So, when I read in the first three words of the article "Glasgow (English /ˈɡlɑːzɡoʊ/", I can see immediately that the end of the word is wrongly given - /ˈɡlɑːzɡoʊ/ should be /ˈɡlɑːzɡo/. In Scottish English we don't use the diphthong /oʊ/. It looks like an American has provided this pronunciation. An Englishman would have provided /glæzgəʊ/. I may say that I am actually from Glasgow, myself.

Anyway, I couldn't find how to replace the pronunciation, which doesn't show up in the editor.

How can I correct this mistake? I have also noticed other errors - "Aberdeen" is seriously wrong, for instance.

My remarks can be checked with reference to the (nearly) accurate article on Scottish English. "Vowel length is generally regarded as non-phonemic, although a distinctive part of Scottish English is the Scots vowel length rule "Certain vowels (such as /i/, /u/, and /æ/) are generally long but are shortened before nasals and voiced plosives. However, this does not occur across morpheme boundaries so that crude contrasts with crewed, need with kneed and side with sighed"". NorvalS (talk) 10:46, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


 * My first thought was that this question belongs on the talk page of the Glasgow article. But it's a more general issue. Should its pronunciation be given as an American, or an Englishman, or Scot, would say it? I see that Launceston gives the local Cornish pronunciation followed by the general English pronunciation; and Scrabster gives the general Scots pronunciation, but neither the general English pronunciation nor the local Caithness pronunciation. There must be guidelines on this somewhere. Maproom (talk) 12:19, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


 * WP:PRON appears to be the relevant guideline. Samwalton9 (talk) 12:24, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Article written in other languages
Hello,

I recently starting writing an article about an organization and I was wondering how I could have that article in other languages. Do I have to write the articles in other languages and wait for their approval or is the article translated automatically? Please help me with this issue.

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Al-QudsCollege (talk • contribs) 11:02, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. If you want the article in other languages it will need to be written on the respective Wikipedia site; for example, if you wanted your article in German it would need to be written over at de.wikipedia.org. Pages are not translated automatically but require editors to translate them manually, reading Translate us and Translation should give you a better idea of how that works, but requesting translation will probably need to be done on whatever the language's Wiki is, and processes may vary. Samwalton9 (talk) 11:51, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

What appeals to you about joining our brand?*
What appeals to you about joining our brand?* — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.110.233.58 (talk) 13:07, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. CaptRik (talk) 14:43, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Diego Rivera
Diego Rivera has several art pieces at Frank Lloyd Wright's, Fallingwater. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.114.156.194 (talk) 16:44, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting this material should be added to the Fallingwater article? If so, and you have reliable sources explaining this fact and its relevance, you can add it there yourself, or discuss it on the article's talk page. μηδείς (talk) 17:08, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Which image licence?
If someone wants to give me rights to use a photo to which they own the rights then what licence should they give in the email they send to wiki? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 28 Kislev 5774 19:41, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Assuming you're uploading to Commons, pretty much any license listed on commons:Commons:Copyright tags will do, but that is extremely overwhelming for most people, so I would recommend to them the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 license and GNU Free Documentation license. See commons:Commons:OTRS.&#32;~HueSatLum 20:07, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You mean you can upload it just to wiki and not the commons? I've never done the media portion of this stuff. And yeah, really overwhelming, haha. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 28 Kislev 5774 20:43, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * This is not "wiki" here; this is the English-language Wikipedia, one of thousands of wikis. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:27, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can just upload to en.Wikipedia if the image is not suitable to be used on other WMF sites (usually for license reasons), but if it's a simple image that the photographer has taken and is happy to donate, then uploading to Commons is preferable so other Wikipedias can have access to it too. Have you seen Declaration_of_consent_for_all_enquiries?  -  Ka renjc (talk) 21:32, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Orange, Wikipedia has become so ubiquitous that when anyone anywhere says "wiki" in conversation, people will assume they're referring to their native language Wikipedia. Both you and Karen knew what I was referring to without further clarification on my part. Besides, everything else here is abbreviated, haha. Karenjc, this would be a professional photo taken by an aerial photography company on behalf of the owner of the rights (who has asked that proper image credit be given for the company). There would then be a second photo taken by him, which is a simpler matter, of course. To be on the safe side I want to confine it to this Wikipedia. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 28 Kislev 5774 21:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * For Mike's point, see Don't abbreviate Wikipedia as Wiki (yes, we do have a page about everything). Re the photos, there could be issues, from what you say.  Wikipedia does not accept permissions for photos only to be used on Wikipedia - the point about licensing photos for use here is that you must also license them to be freely reused and altered by anyone else, irrevocably. So confining an upload to en.Wikipedia isn't possible, because although it can't be used by other WMF projects, it can still be freely taken and used elsewhere by anyone who wants to, including commercially, with the appropriate credit. You need to make sure the rights owner understands exactly what he is giving away when he gives permission to upload the picture here.  You may need extra advice about this.  The people at Media copyright questions are experienced and helpful in these cases. -  Ka renjc (talk) 23:36, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh wow. I'll just say "this site" then for the sake of ease. Ah okay, I'll tell him. Thankfully, knowing him, I don't think he'll really care so long as there is proper attribution, so he might go for general Wikimedia. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 28 Kislev 5774 23:43, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Franks Cock
Really? Franks cock? That's the best that can be done. Franks cock, as in dick or meat stick. This is the lead article. Really? Franks cock. Nice. 37.142.218.31 (talk) 22:34, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a thread at Talk:Main Page about that...&#32;~HueSatLum 22:38, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Logging in
I have not been able to log into my email address from hotmail.com and am unable to change my password through the outlook program it does not provide a clear enough step to do this as hotmail did if you forgot or needed to change your password. Therefore I cannot retrieve all the information i have stored under the headings provided.# — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.55.127 (talk) 23:10, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't quite understand. Are you having problems logging into Wikipedia because you can't retrieve your password via email?  Or is this a problem you're having with logging into Hotmail?  We have a computing reference desk that might possibly be able to advise you if you're struggling with the Outlook interface, but this help desk is for questions about using and finding your way around Wikipedia.  If you could clarify your question a little, we could try to help further. -  Ka renjc (talk) 23:49, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Using the talk page
I seem to be having trouble with my Talk page. When I log into Wiki there appears a number highlighted in red. And while it's gone from 1 and now it's 2 there don't seem to be any additional sections or messages. What am I not doing correctly. Thanks. Pjefts (talk) 23:15, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It could be that someone has mentioned your username ("pinged" you) elsewhere in Wikipedia. Click on the red number itself, and a drop-down list should appear with all your notifications, including any new mentions. -  Ka renjc (talk) 23:39, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, several things can cause the red number and you have to click it to see what it was. See more at Notifications. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:06, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

thanks to you both. Pjefts (talk) 02:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

How do you create a biography page
Are there step by step instructions that walks you through how to create a biography page ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tpearce46 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read here.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 23:47, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't publish biography pages. If you are interested in creating an encyclopaedia article about a notable subject, the article wizard is a walkthrough, but please read Mlpearc's link and also Your first article first. -  Ka renjc (talk) 23:53, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia publishes biographies all the time. Just not autobiographies. - Purplewowies (talk) 07:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia publishes encyclopaedia articles and associated pages that support their creation, development and use. Many articles are biographical, but they are still articles, not 'biography pages', and are created in just the same way as any other article. Some are indeed autobiographical, though these are strongly discouraged. Articles about people, particularly those written by the subject of the article, frequently fail because they don't meet our article requirements such as WP:NPOV and/or have been written as resumes, profiles, 'bios', memoirs or whatever, instead of articles in an encyclopaedia. The terminology can help clarify the purpose, particularly for new users. - Ka renjc (talk) 08:27, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Good points. - Purplewowies (talk) 23:46, 2 December 2013 (UTC)