Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 February 13

= February 13 =

Tom Aspell
Can someone please create an article for Tom Aspell? He was born in 1950 and died on February 11, 2013, at age 62, after a two-year battle with lung cancer. He was an NBC News foreign correspondent for 28 years and started in the business in 1970, so it amazes me that he doesn't have an article. If anyone would be kind of enough to start an article, here's the link to the story and video from this evening's broadcast of NBC Nightly News, which verifies all the information I've given. They announced his death just a couple hours ago. Thank you. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 01:30, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Btw, his name currently links to dozens of articles.. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 01:35, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I left a note at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Someone there may create an article and that may be faster than the other article creation request areas.--Canoe1967 (talk) 02:07, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but please do not close this thread. Perhaps someone who sees it will be nice enough to create the article. Thanks.--76.189.111.199 (talk) 02:22, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Apparently, the BLP Noticeboard is the wrong place to take this. But thanks for trying. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 03:10, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Martin 4 5 1  (talk) 03:13, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

It all worked out in the end, but for future reference WP:Requested articles is the appropriate venue for such requests.--ukexpat (talk) 16:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

user name change?
is there a way to change the name of a user, i misspelled my user name when i created it and didn't notice until it was too late.Shinigani (talk) 02:13, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * See Changing username. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:16, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * As you only have 10 edits it may be easier just to abandon the incorrectly named account and create a new one with your preferred user name. --ukexpat (talk) 16:18, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Coventy City FC
Brian Hill is missing from ex players. Please amend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.38.184 (talk) 03:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I presume you are talking about Coventry City F.C.. Where in that article do you believe it is appropriate to list ex players. I see no such spot. Tiggerjay (talk) 07:11, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Brian Hill is however already mentioned in the last entry of Coventry City F.C.: "Youngest player to start: Brian Hill, 16 years 273 days (vs Gillingham, 1958)". PrimeHunter (talk) 12:29, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Assistance with proper source coding
I made an edit on Michael Milken's BLP page tonight. In the third paragraph, I was attempting add a source. Here's the code I used:. I've made an error apparently, and need some help correcting it. Thank you. LarryWeisenberg (talk) 05:59, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It appears that edit has been reversed because the way you edited the article was incorrect, and clearly illustrated your bias on this subject. Please review WP:COI to understand why we discourage people with close personal connections to an article refrain from editing it. Please bring up your concerns, comments, etc, on the articles "talk" page instead of directly editing it... However, for future reference in editing other articles, what you were missing was the title element as part of the reference. Please see   for more information on the proper usage. Tiggerjay (talk) 07:10, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Problem with another Wiki member constantly changing article facts for personal vendetta(s).
I am discussing information regarding the Wiki "Bassman" article about Fender Bassman amplifiers. The problem is that a main source of information published sixteen years ago during 1997, is old, inaccurate and just needs updating, and a person named “Spoond” is ruining new 2011 and 2012 information I have published on Wiki for his own personal vendetta.

During 2011, I discovered I owned a 1954 Fender “5D6” 4x10 Bassman amplifier. Excited, I researched, sought and discovered ten other 1954 5D6 Bassman owners of the same amp. This particular amplifier is historic, is the first of its kind, and is considered the "Mother of All Rock Amplifiers". I’ve read the Greg Gagliano 1997 published article about vintage Fender amplifiers. I have researched and discovered many new 1950s Fender amplifier production facts. I have sited these facts in public amplifier forums and blogs. Nothing has been disputed and most comments are excited to know the link from early 1940s and 1950s Fender amplifiers to the now famous 1954 Fender 5D6 4x10 Bassman amplifier. The 1997 Greg Gagliano "article" is basically the same thing I am currently doing = researching and sharing Fender amplifier history. The early 1990s Greg Gagliano research is good and was the first of its kind regarding vintage 1950s Fender amplifiers, but Greg Gagliano states frequently that he does not have all known (1990s) information published or noted, and he acknowledges there are new amps and amp versions discovered every year. Neither Greg Gagliano nor I have published a book. Greg Gagliano simply published an article in 1997. I like his article, but I have added to the updates. Just because someone publishes an "article", does not mean they are complete or 100% accurate.

Anyway, knowing I own a very rare amplifier increased my interest towards Fender history. I’ve gathered information, researched and published 1953, 1954 and 1955 Fender production dates, model numbers and serial number information that has never been published except for my recent 2012 and 2013 forum announcements, blog posts and Wiki contributions (on Wiki since January 31st, 2012 = just over a full year of special uncovered information and the correcting of mis-information).

The BIG PROBLEM is that a Wiki member named "Spoond" has started rewriting and republishing the 1997 inaccurate material. He purposefully removes all my 2011 and 2012 new material that adds accuracy towards the numbers produced by Fender in 1954. Essentially, his rewriting eliminates known 1954 Fender amplifiers. I know this person Spoond. He is an instigator and agitator and has bothered me for some time. Therefore, Spoond’s OVERWRITING new information back to the inaccurate 1997 article, is not for the good of Wiki, for good information of historic 1954 Fender Bassmans, nor for the good of other Wiki readers to contribute ~ but is only satisfying for Spoond’s personal agenda towards me, since I do own a vintage 1954 Fender Bassman, and he does not. He has previously bothered me on other forums and blogs.

Please. what can we, you or I do? Should I site blogs or forums as resources? Please help me. What would you do? Thank you. Fender Player — Preceding unsigned comment added by FenderPlayer (talk • contribs) 07:29, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Neither would likely be considered a reliable source, since anyone can add to them as you yourself have done. And some of your work appears to be Original research, which is not allowed, as it would make us a primary source of that work. I suggest talking to Spoond and discussing this. If that fails, then there is always a third opinion. Thanks ツ Je no va  20  (email) 09:31, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Jenova20. I understand "original source", but for something from 1954, there is just gathering information from known existing amplifiers that were not known in 1997. I have added more "third party reference technical sources" and added "citation needed" to increase awareness.  I do not see "chatting with Spoond" as it is a contentious relationship.  If more unfair removal of text back to old unreliable text is done, what are the options?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.161.65 (talk) 14:39, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * You could request a third opinion if the dispute is just between the two of you. They're usually helpful. Good luck ツ Je no va  20  (email) 15:32, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I'd like to stress that, while you may indeed be an expert in the field, unless and until the information is published in a reliable source as viewed by Wikipedia, it cannot be used, regardless of its truth. Basically, that means someplace with an editorial staff that's willing to verify, edit, and publish your research under their (good) name. —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 03:23, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Creating a new wikipedia to collect World War II stories in France
I have begun to collect World War II stories, particularly the Resistance hiding pilots, for a museum in the UK (I'm a US citizen living in Normandy, France). As an editor here on other history subjects for Normandy, I obviously wanted to add stories here at Wikipedia. However,I'm not able to use the material in Wikipedia as it is not published. Earlier on this page someone recommended creating another Wikipedia dedicated to this subject and hosted here. It appears that I may have town here willing to participate. Events may outstrip my knowledge very fast. Can someone advice me how to do that.Mlane (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:08, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * What you want is a wiki (not a wikipedia). Please read that article for more information.--Shantavira|feed me 09:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * You can build your own "wiki" at http://wikia.com .--ukexpat (talk) 03:02, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Copy-edit tag | Ready to remove?
Hi! What's the procedure for removing a copy-edit tag? I've been working on an article that I found on the community portal, and I think it's much better now - I've removed the orphan tag but not sure if I should to the same with the copy-edit tag. Ta! Runner Five (talk) 10:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * If you think you have finished copy editing then I would just go ahead and remove it and leave a note on the talk page explaining why you have done so. I have also made a few changes including moving the article to Modern elementary mathematics as the disambiguating stuff in parentheses is not required.--ukexpat (talk) 16:33, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Defamatory Association on History Page is Causing Problems - Please Help!
Dear help,

We are having great trouble removing reference to our brand name used incorrectly on a historic page of Wikipedia. The page in question is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ABrahma_Kumaris_World_Spiritual_University/Objective_proposal

We can remove our brand name from this page (under 'Fronts and Organizations'). Unfortunately we cannot get rid of it on the Edit History pages. This is a completely incorrect association with our company, and it is having a negative effect on business. We are in absolutely no way shape or form associated with Brahma Kumaris.

Can we please request a complete removal of this reference as it's impacting our reputation.

Many thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.58.48 (talk) 12:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. And I'll do it here, too. --Dweller (talk) 13:12, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The page (which is an unreferenced mess) has never been editing to remove the inclusion, until you removed it today. The edit history has been hidden, per above but the fact that it contained it is not, I suspect, the real issue because edit histories are only seen by a tiny handful of people who actually delve into it deliberately. I am guessing the real issue is that Google and other search engines are showing the information (or that it is shown in Wikipedia mirrors). The search engine results should stop showing it once the page is re-indexed by them now that the link has been removed. We have no control over that process and can do little about mirrors.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:23, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * NB, I have nominated the page for deletion: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University/Objective proposal --Dweller (talk) 13:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Should mirror sites have a link to an article's edit page?
Dear editors: I was helping to expand the article Arizona, Manitoba, and I came across this web site: http://news.ca.searchnearme.com/InfoMaps.about3/Manitoba/Arizona,5886915. It is an exact copy of the article in Wikipedia. I went to the Mirrors and forks page, and didn't see searchnearme.com on the list. I read the article which says that it's all right to copy the text of articles. This particular article has one of those "This article is a stub" templates included, and it links right to the edit page for the article. My concern is that people who have no idea how to edit an article may click on this and not even realize that they have left searchnearme.com and are editing Wikipedia. Is this considered a problem? If not, I presume that I should just add the web site to the list of mirror sites. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:34, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't consider it a problem. It doesn't break our license. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:37, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

North Korean nuclear test
Is it appropriate for this page marked as a disambiguation page to contain statistics and references? I guess normally not per WP:DABNOT. However, I believe a better approach than removing the stats and refs would be to move the page to something like List of North Korean nuclear tests. Am I correct? --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  15:13, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * - by User:BD2412 in these edits. -Thibbs (talk) 15:13, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Assistance required with cladogram
Some canid articles are undergoing re-writes, and as part of the project, some cladograms are needed illustrating the phylogeny of each species, based on this table here: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7069/images/nature04338-f10.2.jpg

For now, all that's needed is a cladogram illustrating the "wolf-like" canids (the ones marked in blue in the above figure). Ideally, the cladogram should use the same template as the one in the Nicobar Pigeon article. Thanks in advance. Mariomassone (talk) 15:28, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I made a start, which I now see is irrelevant (I should have read your request more carefully and noticed the words "marked in blue"), at User:Maproom/cladogram. I have some comments, which you may find useful:
 * The creation process is quite slow, and easy to get wrong.
 * The template produces clades with each branchpoint asymmetric. I find ones with symmetric branchpoints, like the one you cite from Nature, much more pleasing, and indeed less confusing.
 * I would look at the template, and either edit it or or clone-and-rename it and edit the clone, except that (1) I can't find the template, and (2) I have never tried editing a template before.
 * Maproom (talk) 23:16, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

How to add a note...
I need to add a few notes to a table but don't know how. I can make smaller text, but what i need looks more like the [1] a citation leaves. By note, i mean a small letter or number, which is explained in further detail lower down the page. Thanks ツ Je no va  20  (email) 15:35, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Have a look at efn and notelist. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Notelist did the trick. Thanks John ツ Je no va  20  (email) 10:22, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Creating a Page for someone
I am trying to create a page for a friend but when I search his name (Christopher Lee Power) I get the following message which tells me to contact the deleting administrator.

A page with this title has previously been deleted. If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the deleting administrator using the information provided below. 17:02, 29 August 2012 Amatulic (talk | contribs) deleted page Christopher Lee Power (Multiple reasons: A7 (not notable), G4 (deleted via prior discussion), G12 (copyright violation)) 18:25, 30 July 2009 Discospinster (talk | contribs) deleted page Christopher Lee Power (G4: Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christopher Lee Power) 22:12, 24 July 2009 X! (talk | contribs) deleted page Christopher Lee Power (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christopher Lee Power) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philowen14 (talk • contribs)


 * First of all is your friend notable per the guidelines at WP:BIO? If not, then you stop right there. If he is, then you should probably not write the article because of your conflict of interest. You can request that the article be created by following the process at Requested articles.--ukexpat (talk) 16:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It also appears that the copyright violation from the version which was deleted has been repeated in your more recent draft. It appears to contain material previously published at http://www.artscentregroup.org.uk/ChrisLeePower.php. Even in a user space draft, copyright violation is not permitted. The same applies to the subject's attempt to publish his biography on what I assume is his own user page at User:Chrisleepower.  He was previously warned about copyright at User talk:Chrisleepower.  The rules for donation of copyright material are at WP:DCM, but Wikipedia is not here to provide a platform for promotion of the subject, which is why guidance on conflict of interest is given at WP:COI. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:59, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Attacotti Page
Moved this section to the talk page of that article, as the anon suggested. Please see Talk:Attacotti. Regards, Notuncurious (talk) 20:42, 13 February 2013 (UTC) -oops! moving discussion... 74.60.29.141 (talk) 20:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

wikEd Troubles
wikEd's syntax highlighting hasn't been working for me on my family's 2007 iMac running OS X 10.5.8 Leopard! What do I do in Safari 5.0.6 to fix this crippling bug?

RandomDSdevel (talk) 19:17, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Have you checked you haven't disabled it by accident? There should be an icon in the top right hand corner of the window (by 'log out' etc.) which you might have clicked by mistake. If that doesn't work, maybe User:Cacycle/wikEd_help will help. SmartSE (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I see the wikEd toolbar, but toggling syntax highlighting on and off to update its results after pasting in a long post that I've been drafting inside wikEd for a while and saving it within a raw TextEdit document with the intent of adding it to the Mathematics reference desk just changes the hand that I should get when hovering over the syntax-highlighting toggle into the old, 'OS 9'-style, indeterminate-progress indicator (you know, the stopwatch instead of the OS X rainbow pinwheel that I should be getting?) I turned on the JavaScript Compatibility Library gadget the other day, but that shouldn't affect this, should it?
 * RandomDSdevel (talk) 23:19, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind; I just forgot to click the 'wikify' button after pasting my post back into the editing area from the TextEdit document in which I was storing its draft.


 * RandomDSdevel (talk) 19:15, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

QUESTION
i added a new page "aben resources" i wanted to change the page title to

Aben Resources Ltd. (TSX-V: ABN) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98Corporate (talk • contribs) 19:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I moved the article to Aben Resources Ltd (the use of the stock symbol as part of the name is not standard for WP articles.) A redirect at the original title remains so it will be findable as an alternate name.  (Renaming is done by 'move' but you need to be an autoconfirmed user to do that, which requires 10 edits and at least 4 days since registration of the account.) RJFJR (talk) 19:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I have moved it to Aben Resources per the naming conventions for companies (we don't use Ltd, Inc, LLC, PLC etc unless required for disambiguation).--ukexpat (talk) 21:49, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Dr. George Fishbeck
Reference: Dr. George Fishbeck.

George Fishbeck did not tech elementsary school in Albuquerque, but did teach at the Junior High School level. He was my 9th grade General Science teacher at Monroe Junior High School in Albuquerque New Mexico in 1954.

Jerry Valade — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.82.249 (talk) 20:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I have removed the stuff about teaching as it was unsourced.--ukexpat (talk) 21:55, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Michael Jackson info
F.Y.I. > MICHAEL JACKSON: IS THE (SEVENTH)CHILD BORN TO HIS PARENTS, JOE & KATHERINE JACKSON. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.34.60.190 (talk) 22:11, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Please review Jackson family and then advise what part of it is incorrect. Note the death of one child shortly after birth, which you may not have included in your count. By the way, please don't type in all capital letters unless you intend your writing to be viewed as shouting.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:04, 14 February 2013 (UTC)