Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 February 2

= February 2 =

OPPT
Can't believe your site has NOTHING on this most viral and important/significant new societal movement!!! GET with it people!!!! without prejudice UCC 1-308 all rights reserved JB Brown — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.17.109.5 (talk) 01:55, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If you can find some reliable sources that show this new thing is notable, then you can request an article at WP:RA I don't know what UCC 1-308 all rights reserved means, but anything posted on Wikipedia is under the GFDL and CC-BY-SA 3.0 Licence.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:41, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The first Google hits on OPPT are Office of Pollution Prevention and Toxics, and Optimal Performance and Physical Therapies. They don't sound like your description but further down I see something called One People's Public Trust. Is that it? PrimeHunter (talk) 02:56, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * If you want an article on a subject you can either try writing one, or request one at WP:Requested articles. But the onus will be on you to show that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. From your tone and the fact that a Google search does not turn up an immediately obvious candidate, I suspect that your purpose here it promoting something that is not, at least not yet, notable. If that is the case, please come back when independent reliable sources have noticed your societal movement. --ColinFine (talk) 22:28, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Sounds like an up-and-coming next big thing, which by definition has no place here.
 * 2) UCC 1-308 has no relation to anything to do with intellectual property rights of any kind. If somebody is trying to tell you that it does, I'd look at whatever else they have to say with extreme dubiety.
 * 3) If you do mean "One People's Public Trust", that's just the latest magical-thinking tax protester scam in the sovereign citizen movement vein, and not even one sufficiently notable to merit an article here. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  22:59, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Dear JB Brown: I hate to be the bearer of such tidings, but "OPPT" -- whatever it is -- is not a "most viral and important/significant new societal movement." And, as others have noted above, if it were a "most viral and important/significant new societal movement," that "fact" would not, in and of itself, qualify the subject as being suitable for an encyclopedia article.

By the way, the phrase "without prejudice UCC 1-308 all rights reserved" is meaningless gibberish based on garbage that is passed around the internet. Writing such language when you sign something on this Wikipedia page has no legal significance. Famspear (talk) 23:29, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

ENGINE NOT RUNNING
How to fix a diesel mannual engine 4.2ltr — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.56.70.5 (talk) 03:52, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. RudolfRed (talk) 03:53, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * We will also attempt to answer questions on parallel universes. :-) StuRat (talk) 06:39, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Also note that you will have to tell them what precisely is wrong with it. If you don't know the actual problem, then at least list all of the symptoms and history. StuRat (talk) 06:41, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Inappropriate info
The user page wspivak rambles and is self advertising. The person is not historically significant and many of these accomplishments are not significant or verifiable. Purpose of page is self advertisement. Please look into it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.82.254.97 (talk) 06:32, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

User page: This is a Wikipedia user page. This is not an encyclopedia article. If you find this page on any site other than Wikipedia, you are viewing a mirror site. Be aware that the page may be outdated and that the user to whom this page belongs may have no personal affiliation with any site other than Wikipedia itself. The original page is located at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wspivak
 * ~:74.60.29.141 (talk) 07:30, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * At a quick glance, this does look like it might fit WP:UPNOT. - Purplewowies (talk) 08:02, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Coordinates for use in infobox
Template:Infobox exchange has a field coor. Is there an easy way to retrieve those coordinates? I would like to add a value for the parameter to the infobox in an article, but I am unsure how or where to obtain these coordinates. Can I do it using Google Maps? If so, how? The article where I want to specify that field in the infobox is Fukuoka Stock Exchange. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  11:07, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * In the United States you can right click on a location in Google Maps and then click "what's here?" and it will put the coordinates in the search box at the top. I tried to search your building, but I can't read Japanese so I can't tell you if it works for Japan. C T F 8 3 !  11:23, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * http://www.earthtools.org/ also works, just zoom in as far as you can, click "find places" on the left then click "location" on the left and it will give you the coordinates. If you're in the wrong place, just move to the correct one, hit "height" then "location" again to reset it. C T F 8 3 !  11:31, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Deor fixed it. Thanks to both of you. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  12:40, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where you went wrong with the coordinates, Toshio; but for future reference, the easiest way to find coordinates for a place whose location you know is to use this tool. Just drag and double-click on the map repeatedly to zoom in on the location, then Ctrl-click to place the marker on the place. You can then read the coordinates in either decimal or degrees-minutes-seconds format. The tool even displays some filled-in coord templates on the left, which you can just copy and paste into an article. Deor (talk) 12:51, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That seems like a cool thing, which quickly went on my userpage for future use. Thanks. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  13:17, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Is this vandalism???
Can someone view this edit by 71.246.119.205: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jim_Halpert&diff=prev&oldid=536187226 I think this is vandalism and but this user denies at my user talk page! Hz.tiang (talk) 14:06, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes it is - I gave the vandal a final warning. Roger (talk)

Question Regarding Logo Images Contained Within PDF Files
I have a question regarding logos that might be made available online in PDF format only. Is it possible for logos to be extracted out of PDF files (by the uploader) and uploaded to the Wikipedia article corresponding to the station of the extracted logo? I notice that for certain articles (such as WFLC, WEDR, and WHQT), the logos were all extracted from a PDF file. I've got a few radio stations I know of that don't have any active websites but they have PDF files which feature the logos. This is only just a curious question and I figured to take the time to ask it, for "It Never Hurts To Ask." 98.229.132.126 (talk) 16:32, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's possible. However the logos copyright status needs to be determined. Can you provide a link to the PDF document containing the logo and tell us, in which Wikipedia article you want to use it? Then we can give more specific advice. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  16:55, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, sure, I could provide some information. I just need to seek out the link to that PDF file. 98.229.132.126 (talk) 17:12, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Page Deletion
I wss hoping for a reason why the page i created was deleted.

it was deleted by wizardman at 15.56 today. i cant find a way to message wizardman directly.

the page name was suikoden revival movement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hateleko (talk • contribs) 17:16, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You can leave a message on the user's talk page at User_talk:Wizardman RudolfRed (talk) 17:28, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Here's The PDF Logo I Was Considering
Here It Is: The radio station logo for WLTN (AM), enclosed within the upper half of this PDF file. The parent company of WLTN (AM) seems to be Radio New England Broadcasting, LLC and the "Oldies 1400 & The Golden Great 98.5" portion of the upper half of this PDF file seems to be the logo for WLTN (AM) (everything above the light-green-font "Featuring the Greatest Hits of the 60ʼs, & 70ʼs !" and possibly excluding the jukebox image). By the way, I'm in doubt that maybe this is something that should be taken up on the Files For Upload page; although, I'm also uncertain about whether if I was to take up this concern on that page, I'd be referred back to this page.
 * Oh, and I almost forgot, the topic is PDF Image Extraction to obtain a logo image and upload it into a Wikipedia article.

98.229.132.126 (talk) 17:22, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * This can be uploaded as a free work, because it fails the threshold of originality required for copyright protection. In the file upload wizard, you can simply select This is a free work. Then select This file is in the Public Domain for some other reason. Select It is too simple to be eligible for copyright. Select Item consists solely of a few indiviual words or letters. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  17:36, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

To  Toshio   Yamaguchi , I'm afraid that I don't upload images myself. This is partially so, because I wish to avoid accountability if anything is wrong with what I upload or whether a copyright issue gets violated. I present the URL links to the images I wish to have uploaded to the Files For Upload page. It is very easy to violate a copyright and I'm a bit too faint-of-heart to run that risk. I just get other people to upload images I wish to have uploaded. 98.229.132.126 (talk) 17:46, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I uploaded the logo and it can now be found at File:WLTN radio station logo.png. --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  18:15, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅ I added the logo to the infobox at WLTN (AM). --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  18:20, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

WLTN (AM) Full-Logo Description
To  Toshio   Yamaguchi 
 * I wished for most of the upper-half of the file to be added, such as the "Oldies 1400" and "Golden Great 98" and stuff like that (like, multiple images that all make up the logo). I do appreciate the upload; however, I'd just like to clarify that multiple images existing at the upper half of the PDF file of mention all make up the logo, such as the "Oldies 1400" and "Golden Great 98" and Blue-Text "WLTN" and, quite possibly, the jukebox image. (Everything above the light-green-font "Featuring the Greatest Hits of the 60ʼs, & 70ʼs !" but below the "Radio New England Broadcast Properties Present: The All New" and possibly excluding the jukebox image, basically)98.229.132.126 (talk) 18:35, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Is that combination of textlogos and the image officialy being used as a logo by the station? Wikipedia has rules regarding the use of logos, see Logos. Per Logos: "Logos that contain slogans should be omitted in favour of equivalent logos that do not." --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  18:57, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * To  Toshio   Yamaguchi  - "Is that combination of textlogos and the image officialy being used as a logo by the station?" - Yes; although, the only element of uncertainty is the jukebox. Otherwise, the answer is yes. That being stated, perhaps the jukebox should be excluded, if you do update the logo upload to feature also the "Oldies 1400" and "Golden Great 98" (basically, the total WLTN (AM) logo).
 * As for those rules you've linked me to, I'll read up on them right now. If those rules concerning the use of logos in Wikipedia featured in Logos restrict us from being able to post the logo in the manner that I've described, then I guess the logo will stay as it stands.
 * Also please see WP:PROMOTION and About in order to get an impression of what exactly Wikipedia is and What Wikipedia is not for what it not is. Respectfully, --  Toshio   Yamaguchi  19:08, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

To  Toshio   Yamaguchi  - Please, offer me an update when you can as to what your final determination was in regards to the logo (whether the current upload should stay or whether you figured that it's okay to upload the full logo as described and when it's done).
 * Thank You ( Toshio   Yamaguchi ) for This Link: What Wikipedia is not. I will now take a look at that. I suppose I shouldn't be treating Wikipedia as a blog, for I am suspicious that this might be exactly what I'm doing.98.229.132.126 (talk) 19:10, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Does not exist
my problem is this. I am told that the information i seek   "does not exist " BUT I have obtained from wikipedia websites that the information does exist,  namely -  Edward byles Cowell translation of  Omar khayyam which he had printed in the Calcutta review of March 1858. I am also told by wikipedia that the calcutta review of 1858 does not exist !!!. BUT I am invited by wikipedia to " have the requested items   "created".  Do you not think that the term  "does not exist"  needs some clarification?  Or as a novice wikipedia user caught up in some computer/wikipedia gob li gook ??? over to UUU footywise.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Footywise (talk • contribs) 21:51, 2 February 2013‎
 * Where does Wikipedia claim that this review article does not exist? Where does it claim that it does exist? Maproom (talk) 22:40, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam and Edward Byles Cowell both have references to the document in question, I think.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:50, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I think I have guessed what you refer to, but it was difficult because you omitted the start of the quote, and registered users are used to seeing a different text. While not being logged in you must have entered "calcutta review of 1858" in the search box. This gives the text:


 * It simply means that Wikipedia has no page with the exact page name "calcutta review of 1858". It doesn't say anything about whether such a thing exists outside of Wikipedia, or whether it's mentioned in Wikipedia under another page name. It's mentioned in Edward Byles Cowell. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:33, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * And see the Calcutta Review article, and Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:48, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

As it is possible to work in Ru.wikipedia.
Dear administrator. I make the contribution in Ru.Wikipedia. My login is "astrofilosof", my name is Andrey Safonov. But my works(contribution) are moved away and the page of the considerationis moved away. I'd like to recive the information about my contribution.

Best, Andrey--Astrofilosof (talk) 23:39, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * This is a help desk for the English Wikipedia. We cannot help with disputes at the Russian Wikipedia. You will have to discuss it there. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:37, 3 February 2013 (UTC)